Why do people say Berserk isn't edgy shit again?
only durrserk fags say that, they're sweaty fat neckbeards who probably get off to rape
>hey rape happened a lot in medieval times! This is being realistic
>implying horse rape happened a lot in medieval times.
Nope, this is being edgy not realistic.
obviously it's edgy
it's just more detailed and better written than say shit like gantz
>>142755818
>>hey rape happened a lot in medieval times! This is being realistic
Rape didn't happen that much during medieval times, except by vikings. There was a shitton more rape during classical times.
everyone started reading it when they were 13 and edgy shit was cool
>>142755296
No one says that.
No one says that edgy shit isn't realistic either, unless you think people like Eliot Rodger are made up.
>>142755818
Don't forget
>All rape victims are supermodels with sculpted asses and perfect tits.
>>142755296
Practically every image I ever seen of beserk has a sex scene in it. I'm not kidding either.
Is this targeting horny teens? Is that why this shit is so popular?
>>142755296
Haha, holy shit.
Berserk is pretty balanced between edgy shit and little kid stuff I'd say.
>>142755296
Wyald wasn't considered a good guy in the story, just letting you know.
>>142755296
It's edgy shit. For a while it was edgy shit on a boat. And now it's edgy CG shit.
>>142756304
it's time to read it.
>>142756412
>>142756531
I did tried. The first chapter had sex and that's when I realized I was 100% right.
>>142756304
>Is this targeting horny teens? Is that why this shit is so popular?
Yes and no. It's published in Young Animal, which isn't exactly a high class publication. The sexplotation is standard fare there, so Berserk imo is just following suit without giving it much critical thought.
It'd say there's reasons beyond the boobs, butts and blood to like Berserk, after all it's not as if having those things precludes having a good story. But anons like to pretend Berserk is some holy thing immune to criticism, so you get lots of "defenses" trying to rationalize the sex and rape in every other chapter. It's like yeah, we get it kid, rape happened a lot in the past and still does. People poop everyday but that doesn't mean you have to show it for no reason.
>>142756568
This arc gave me a hardon everytime
>>142756585
you're dumb.
In reality, the sex scenes are not that common.
>"how canz I makes my mc have muh instant tragic backstory">shota guts gets raped by nigger for pocket change
>guts deserves to be edgy!
>>142756735
Why is it the rape, and not any of the other horrific aspects of his childhood that make him edgy? Seriously, of all the stuff he goes through, it's one of the least traumatic.
Explain how something being edgy is innately a bad thing.
>>142756980
when you cant write a decent antagonist, just make them a rapist
it's shock value in the cheapest way possible
>>142756980
edginess is fundamentally connected with racism, homophobia and misogyny, thus triggering the redditor's sensibilities and provoking them into shitposting
>>142757225
I hope that you aren't implying that Griffith it's just and edgy rapist, because the manga flew over your head it's that the case.
>>142757394
if that's the case* I mean
>>142757394
Don't take the bait. Just don't.
>>142756412
>little kid stuff
Pedophile stuff
>>142756304
Same ones who enjoy Attack on Titan or Game of Thrones
>>142757394
I said that in the context of all the lower tier antagonists like OPs pic, where theyre a villain you wouldn't care about if they weren't a rapist/murderer/edgy character
>>142756980
It implies the reader is immature and requires edginess for a work of fiction to be considered as good
>>142755296
I hate how this became babbys first seinen
>>142755296
>Hates rape scenes and calls them edgy offensive
>OMG this school girl moe shit is waifu kawai
these weebs man..............
>>142755296
I know this is bait but there is literally nothing wrong with the edge in Berserk considering the setting.
Why is it that the women are always drawn as extremely attractive who are getting raped
>>142758478
Would you rape an ugly woman?
>>142755296
Berserk has great art. Shit everything else. People who like it are as low-brow as those guys who like terraformars
Because "edgy" is an innacurate and retarded generalization but people still pretend that it means anything nowadays even though calling something edgy at this point is tantamount to going "LOL THIS SUCKS I BET YOU'RE LIKE 15 EDGY AS FUCK U MAD"
>>142758832
>he says posting SDC
>being worried that edgy is an accusation of underage
Wew lad. Have anything you need to tell us?
>>142758937
what exactly is the correlation between SDC and being underage because i can't see it
>>142756855
this is wrong though, it scars him for his entire teenage years and was his catalyst for eventually killing Gambino
>>142755296
Berserk is a perfect combination of edginess and gracefulness, that's why it's fucking great, you lame ass baiting moralfag.
>>142758992
Anime only JJBA draws big main stream crowds. Like anything with that weight, SnK for example (SnK is much more popular with normalfags, I admit but it still serves as an example) will draw in younger crowds because the normalfag crowd starts dispersing in the early 20s. They either transitioning from normalfags or give up the hobby.
>>142757888
this, the setting just lends itself to the edgyness, also while Berkserk it's edgy is not Shadow the hEDGEhog type of edgy, Bersker is the good type of edgy
>>142759088
>was his catalyst for eventually killing Gambino
Uh, no? Gambino was drunk and tried to kill him. Guts had no intention of harming him, but he chose defending himself over getting railroaded over.
>>142758592
yeah probably if I was a soldier-rapist
>>142755296
Thanks a lot asshole, I just got fired
>>142755296
This is just endemic of it's time period. If you think Berserk is edgy, look at some of the other hyperviolent manga/anime coming out around the same time Berserk had it's debut.
>>142758604
Are you kidding me? The art ISN'T good. It's just stylized, and it goes along with the feel of the work perfectly. It's an exercise in dark themes in a medieval fantasy setting (which I guess anyone could call something with a dark theme "edgy", not saying much). Terraformars is a photoshopped piece of junk. People like you need to learn how to walk outside once in a while.
>>142758832
>using "edgy" in your synonymous phrase for "edgy"
>>142759175
Good.
>>142759283
Berserk has some pretty good art.
Stop being a faggot.
>>142759207
Modern "edgy" manga are way more edgy than Berserk.
i wonder what happened to miura in his childhood
>>142755296
>Why do people say Berserk isn't edgy shit again?
It earned its edge. It's not edgy for the sake of being edgy and when the edge does happen, the protagonist is doing his best to stop it and doesn't let it get him down though it does eat at his soul.
It's the good kind of edge, where you have to keep going, keep moving, keep living because bad things will happen with or with out you. Just like real life.
>>142759564
>it's not edgy for the sake of being edgy
Rape horse?
>>142756585
Are you retarded or underage or both?
>>142756677
>sexploitation
lol, fuck off to your safe space /co/
>>142759714
A horse possed by demons and demons attack to fuck, kill and eat for the joy of it. The horse didn't get its way in the end so it's all good.
Guts can't save everyone, all the time. He isn't superman, just a real human bean. Down to the fucking marrow of his bones.
>>142755296
The edgemeter is in grimdark? not in psssh nothin' personnel kid level?
>>142755296
Miura was the Verhoeven of manga. Gore, sex, rape it was all there but the story was still great and the setting amazing. He was clearly inspired by violent American films of the 70s and 80s like Excalibur, Conan, Robocop, Commando, Hellraiser, possibly The Devils.
Nowadays he is just another moefag. There is no more rape (which isn't exactly bad), no more edge. There is more typical manga fanservice and shitty kid characters with bug eyes. While it's still not complete garbage, the introduction of a generic anime witch-like character can be the final nail in its coffin.
>>142759844
>the setting amazing
It's literally just medieval Europe with a lot of rapists and some moonsters.
>Being dark or grim is bad now and can never be taken seriously
>Everything has to be from sunshine, lolis and rainbows to pg-13 content only
Has this board finally hit the shitter once and for all? The amount of idiots in this thread is staggering.
>>142759925
It's not just medieval Europe. You haven't read it.
>>142759844
funny you should say that since he was directly inspired by Flesh and Blood which is a Verhoeven movie.
>>142759714
>Demon abomination acting like a demon abomination is edgy
I think it's fitting considering that apostles are hellspawns.
Maybe it's just that demons are inherently edgy because they are supossed to be evil.
>>142757672
How does it imply anything whatsoever about the reader?
I am so glad /a/ is hating berserk again.
There were way too many positive threads in the last few days.
Its like we were being invaded by /v/. Guess their stupid video game event is going on and now they stay out with their shit animes.If you like Jojo you are just as bad.
>>142760105
There is no demon abomination, it is a drawing. The author decided to have a horse trying to rape a character, for no particular reason. That is what's edgy.
>>142755296
It's like you idiots to realize edge isn't inherently bad, only when it's jarring or seminally out of place for shock factor.
Happy tree friends is a perfect example of shitty edge, just for shock factor.
>Cutsey animal cartoons
>gory deaths
A more recent example is shit like re:zero, it looks like your run of the meal seasonal light novel sao shit stain(which it is), but they make it all excessively graphic out of no where for shock factor, shake the screen, wrenching screams etc
It's jarring and comedic at best, that's bad edge.
But berserk on the other hand keeps it's tone, from the art to the atmosphere so it's not that bad when some edgy shit happens. It's still edgy but it fits the setting.
>>142759975
What, medieval Europe and also some shitskins who invade? Please tell me that's not your argument.
>>142758604
>Shit everything else
Like what? It has amazing/memorable characters, a fitting setting and god tier fights. Everything leading up to Griffith's betrayal was well set up and it did a good job in making antagonists memorable beyond their violence.
Then again I'm in a reddit tier thread so I'd expect garbage opinions and easy bait.
>>142760105
They aren't even demons. They are the souls of evil humans, possibly soldiers or criminals. All Berserk demons have some connection with humanity.
>>142760185
It was the only thing close by.
They were fleeing.
On a horse.
It made perfect sense.
>>142755296
Shit, where's the one where instead of saying make it fun he says
>bush did 9/11
>>142760185
Now this is shitposting
>>142760240
Man, I fucking forgot Happy Tree Friends existed.
>>142760240
>he doesn't understand juxtaposition and black slapstick
>>142760247
Have you read it? The plot is pretty important to the setting because it completely changes it.
>>142760185
It is the logical consequence of a demonic entity roaming free. Demons are fucking evil. Its their fucking nature. It would be out of place if the rape horse did nothing or acted kind for some retarded reason.
Holy fuck even for bait your post is retarded. Ill probably regret biting it with whatever asinine comment comes next.
>>142760300
You're not getting it. That was all created as part of the scenario. It's not like this stuff just happened and then he was left with no option but to make the horse try to rape someone. Fiction does not follow some fucking deterministic physical laws. It was written a specific way because the author wanted certain things to happen.
God, I hate faggots who can't get over their attachment to realism as some sort of automatic defense.
>>142760175
Except there's no reason to hate it aside from the sake of hating it, which makes you cancer.
>>142760410
>logical consequences
>mattering in fiction
>affecting whether something is edgy
I'm done.
>>142760411
And you are saying the way to show her how helplessly fucked Guts is with the mark should've been done differently and you think it was incredibly contrived and he basically started writing backwards from the Rape Horse because he desperately wanted to get to the rape horse.
Now I don't agree but I respect your right to be fucking retarded. This is /a/ after all.
>>142759769
>>sexploitation
>lol, fuck off to your safe space /co/
>This nigga doesn't know about the -sploitation sub-genre
>He probably needs his shamelessly gratuitous entertainment to have some bullshit, polite name
>This faggot is somehow old enough to post here
This thread reminds me of the glass I got during that Stella thing on /a/ years ago.
>>142760185
Then every depiction of a demon it's edgy.
Yes Berserk is edgy. You faggots just need to understand edgy isn't inherently a negative term. Something can be edgy and not be shit.
>>142760278
Well, considering that they were evil in their former life, it's no wonder that they're also evil as apostles and demon, considering that they can pretty much do whatever they want unless someone like Guts is around.
Rape horse isn't even that bad. Because of it he returned to Casca. Trolls raping women on the other hand were completely unnecessary.
>>142755916
>Lies
Gtfo
>>142760450
Except anyone liking JoJo, Berserk and other meme manga/anime is /v/ cancer and they make this board worse.
/a/ should regularly shit on them just so people like you don't think they belong here.
>>142760466
I mean if you look at the panel it sure seems like it was thought backwards. In fact I'm positive it was.
Stop being retarded and accept your edgy manga for what it is.
>>142760649
>Trolls raping women on the other hand were completely unnecessary
But that's how they reproduce, they needed to explain why they were so many damn trolls
>any representation of evil in art is edgy
>edgy is bad
One of the most philistine levels of opinion I've seen appear on the internet. Disgusting.
>>142760460
They do if you don't want said fiction to be stupid and full of shit. You can't have a story about the kindness and caring of a man when he does nothing but act like a dick. Because then he's not really kind is he?
And I was right. Somehow your reply ended up being more stupid than the last.
>>142760694
>>142760694
>I mean if you look at the panel it sure seems like it was thought backwards
I don't see it at all.
What about it makes you think he came up with that first and wrote it backwards? Any clues on the page?
>>142760687
Oh come on, both Berserk and JoJo were always liked by most users here, just because you now feel threatened because other board happens to like a mainstream manga doesn't means that we should stop talking about it.
>>142755296
It is a dark fantasy that delves into the grotesque.
What were you expecting?
>>142760739
Edgy is now meme tier and anyone who uses it should be immediately disregarded. It's lost all meaning at this point
>>142760730
All the astral creatures are products of imagination, legends and dreams. They aren't normal creatures.
>>142760730
They could said anything else. They said it to make you think they are vicious animals, nothing more.
>>142760687
Last I checked this was the Anime & Manga board, and Berserk and JoJo were anime and manga. At what point do they become things that don't belong here?
But I know the answer to that already. When it's something you don't like, it doesn't belong here, since you're a faggot.
>>142760739
This is a reddit tier shitposting thread.
>>142760793
Ok, Hipster.
>>142760687
>meme'term'
>buzzwords
Stop trying so hard to fit in and go back to /v/
I heard they also like to hate random thungs unnecessarily
>>142760788
>both Berserk and JoJo were always liked by most users here
Not true.
Even if for the sake of argument that would be true we should still shit on it.
I refer you to the long moot post about naruto.
>>142760774
He is retarded AND trying to shitpost
>>142760846
>you don't like berserk or jojo
>go back to /v/
That is the most retarded post in this thread.
Which admittedly is an achievement I guess.
>>142760538
Well, yeah.
>>142760813
That's not even the problem. /a/ has discussed and liked both series for years and years now. There were threads back in 04 if I remember right.
Then these faggots crawl out of nowhere pretending its always been a /v/ thing.
>>142760856
>Not true
Yeah, that's totally why Berserk got a sticky when they got out of the boat and JoJo too when the anime was announced.
>Even if for the sake of argument that would be true we should still shit on it
Why?
>>142760887
Its not about not liking berserk or jojo, its about acting like a crossboarder retard who thinks he owns this place
>>142760774
Yea, the full pages dedicated to depicting it. The terrifying faces they both show.
The whole picturesque pose right before guts comes in. That thing is layed out so well to depict what was happening there is no way it wasn't thought of early.
That is clearly the kind of thing you think of first. In fact if he didn't think of that first and merely thought "ok they are on a horse now what?" and then made those pages up as he went I would be even more disappointed.
>>142760812
Well, maybe Miura just wanted to make them threatening since they were supossed to be that arc enemies.
>>142760856
>/a/ used to talk about and love berserk since guts first got near the boat
>/a/ has kept up with jojo manga for years
>Thinking most of us would shit on them despite rarely doing it before because you, obvious underage that you are, don't like it
Holy shit I'm posting with actual retards.
>>142760944
I don't think anyone would write a story in the way you think they do.
How retarded would it be to come up with an image first and then write towards it?
During the phase were you come up with the general outline you don't decide what will get the full pages.
Clearly it is meant to be a punctuating point of the story. But that doesn't have to come first.
That is a fucking insane creation process.
I hope you are not in any way creating anything because if you do you need to rework that process.
>>142761016
True but that is what edgyiness is all about.
Using shock and horror to make the baddies seem horrifying without depth to that fear is the cornerstone of edgy manga.
>>142760842
Are you retarded? The term edgy has been dug into the ground and is now solely used to shitpost
this is the shittiest thread I've seen on /a/ since the race bait threads a few weeks ago
this thread is bad and OP should feel bad
Berserk is a manga that made it's edginess work with the story, in fact it makes sense and does not jar the reader because it belongs in the story. The art is good, far better than most manga, the story is good, again better than most manga, and the characters are well written. You don't have to like it but if you can't see that it is objectively well done, you have really bad judgement
>>142761143
>Using shock and horror to make the baddies seem horrifying without depth to that fear is the cornerstone of edgy manga
But that's a little unfair considering that the true antagonist of Berserk is much more than that.
The trolls were just cannon fodder villains with no personality because they were that, trolls, I think it's pretty fitting that they're nothing more than feral beasts.
>>142755296
>made muh dick hard
I've watched enough fucked up hentais that this kind of shit doesn't even affect me at all.
>>142761074
What the fuck?
That is precisely how half of all scenes are made. A lot of the times you think of specific things you want to show your audience and you create circumstances, reasons and characters that reinforce and what you are tying to accomplish.
Yes sometimes stories are planned with the characters first, or some specific trait. Even then you can tell that the author fancies something and then sets out to create a world where that creation exist.
I might not be a mangaka but in film very often a scene is created with an image in mind and setting up context around it.
I'm not saying Miruka started the arc thinking about that one scene but I am pretty sure Farnese was put on the horse and left behind with that scene in mind.
Like what the fuck are you talking about?
>>142761386
>That is precisely how half of all scenes are made. A lot of the times you think of specific things you want to show your audience and you create circumstances, reasons and characters that reinforce and what you are tying to accomplish.
Not that guy, but even if this is true, why you think out of everything in Farnese's intro it was the rape horse panel that he started with and developed around is fucking beyond me.
>>142761386
There is no way on this fucking planet you come up with the picture first and you draw a horse raping someone and then you write the story around it.
I swear we are two posts from arguing that the only reason Miura even started berserk was to get to that rape horse.
>>142761256
You are right.
I don't think berserk deserves to be cast aside just because it does have elements that are edgy for the sake of it. There is definately a lot more substance in it.
I just disagree how every single thing about this manga has to be defended just because it has a large fanbase on here.
>>142761468
>I just disagree how every single thing about this manga has to be defended
But it isn't.
Plenty of people freely admit that berserk is edgy.
This thread is about how berserk is edgy AND THEREFORE SHIT.
That is what people are arguing.
>>142761468
>I just disagree how every single thing about this manga has to be defended just because it has a large fanbase on here
And I disagree making shitposts about hating this manga for no reason, just like this thread
>>142761468
>I just disagree how every single thing about this manga has to be defended just because it has a large fanbase on here.
So are you admitting that the allure for shitting on Berserk for you is the fact that there are many people who defend it wholly? Sorry, but that actually does make you a hipster.
>>142760907
It's newfags trying to fit in. Nothing more.
>/v/-tier thread
>over 3 hours old
>over 100 replies and counting
I sincerely hope you newfags are murdered in the most brutally inhumane method imaginable.
>>142755818
Don't tell that to GRRM.
He said Tolkien depicts war dishonestly because not enough sexual violence, aka orc rape. Despite Tolkien having fought in World War fucking 1 and GRRM being a draft dodger.
>>142761626
nothing personnel kid
>>142761626
>berserkthread
>why is it full of /v/irgins guys
Nobody say something. Give him a second.
I am sure he can figure it out by himself.
Did japs animate this scene?
>>142761730
'Edgy' is a popular term used all the goddamn time on /v/, and /v/--being the second largest board on the site--attracts a metric fuckton of newfaggotry. It is not a surprising nor inaccurate correlation to make.
>>142761791
Almost honey.
Edgy is not the reason this BERSERK thread is full of /v/irgins.
Can you think of anything else only /v/irgins like?
>>142761846
Anime and manga?
>>142761846
Are you implying rape? Because that wouldn't be /v/-specific.An hero for not saging, newfag.
>>142761846
Mountain Dew and Doritos?
>>142755296
My bigger problem is how almost all antagonists are simply boring. It's pretty lazy writing when most of them are bad because they kill/slave/rape a lot of people.
>>142761452
>>142761449
>I swear we are two posts from arguing that the only reason Miura even started berserk was to get to that rape horse.
Welp you outed yourself as a speed reader
I am not saying he started out like that but he definitely started the chapter knowing he was going to lead to it.
I mean for fuck sake. She specifically says she is going to mount the horse just for the horse to reply back "I'm gonna mount you"
SHE SPOKE TO THE HORSE. Why the fuck would she do that except for that one line? Naive brat or not.
He definitely planned this ahead. That is not something you think "huh what a coincidence that I can use this line!"
>>142761942
>He definitely planned this ahead
Yeah, by a chapter. Big fucking whoop dude, way to make a mountain out of a molehill.
>>142761894
There is not a single major antagonist like that in Berserk.
>>142755296
It's not edgy when you like it. That's how it works for everything.
>>142760333
I get it, it's still just edge for shock factors sake
>>142761942
>I am not saying he started out like that but he definitely started the chapter knowing he was going to lead to it.
To a scene that is meant to remind guts of the eclipse.
I don't think his intent was to show how cool he was.
You are the one equating it to creating a sonic oc character and showing the drawing at school.
Don't act like we are unreasonable here.
>>142755296
>let me pick that 1 page in a 38 volume series where the author introduces an entagonist whose main trait is to be a fucking deamon with pillage and destruction as his main passion
>who is Schierke, Flora, Isma, Sonia, Isodro, Gaston or Erika or that bee deamon who thought to do good
UURRR DURRR ITS SO EDGY
>>142762093
>Schierke and Flora
They're witches, witches are edgy
>Isma
She's a mermaid, mermaids are edgy, just refer to the odyssey
>Sonia
She's a medium, that's edgy
>Isidro
She's a kid who scaped from home, that's edgy
>Gaston
He doesn't likes the main character, edgy as fuck
>Erica
Little girls in edgy mangas are still edgy
>Bee daemon
Being a demon makes it edgy
>>142762020
>>142762075
I'm not sure when you fags joined the argument but the whole purpose was to show that the horse raping her was not a natural progression of events.
That is was the author's intent and purpose to show it before the horse even showed up.
You can pretend not to be the retard who said the scene was logical but regardless you both were wrong in this case.
You can say "so what if you were right bla bla" but it is meaningless because this argument was in context.
The context was that the author purposely crafted that scene and that it could've been written any other way.
This is the context >>142760300
>>142762208
not sure if serious
>>142762330
You have literally no proof for that.
I think he worked back from thinking about how to make farnese join guts and came up with the horse scene as a callback to the eclipse
I am saying
"farnese -> eclipse -> rape horse"
was likely the simplified thought process.
You are saying
"rape horse -> manga could work -> learn to draw -> come up with a story that could conclude in a rape horse scene"
>>142762330
I've been following the argument for a bit but at this point I've forgotten what your point was.
Miura intended to show a rape horse, yes. He did about a chapter of planning for it, yes. The rape horse is obscene, it has an ugly face and horses have huge dicks so it would obviously kill her, making it based on shock value and fear. The scene automatically reminds Guts of the eclipse since that was a rape fiesta and where he failed to protect Casca, so he goes to save Farnese from this.
But Farnese rode a horse there, which is not an abnormal thing in a medieval setting, and demons were possessing shit all around them. Out of the 340+ chapters of this story it's not very surprising that a horse eventually got demonized, and considering one particular feature about horses is their huge dicks, and demons are demons, it's also not very surprising that it turned out to be a potential rape scene.
Was the scene solely for the sake of taking pleasure in a rape horse scene? No, because Miura used it as a reminder to Guts and for him to take action in saving her, and to strike fear in Farnese's character very quickly.
>>142755296
>Thread turns into an in-depth analysis of rape horse
Never change /a/ never change
>>142762431
>>142762515
I'll I've been saying is that whoever said >>142760300
>>142760410
is retarded.
Pretend to be someone else. Make up an entirely different point because what those guys said is retarded.
If you think that was logical conclusion, you're stupid. It was something the author wanted to do.
>>142757888
that and berserk isn't a constant gloomfest where you only get rape and murder. There's beautiful moments sprinkled in which make all the horrific shit all the more powerful.
Jesus, this shit again.
Look, Berserk is edgy in its presentation but it is rather optimistic. Just because it has rape and murder doesn't push it completely towards to pivot people consider 'bad edginess' which is just edgy for the sake of it.
My main point of knowing why this isn't true is by looking at every single rapist or potential rapist. All of them end up dead. That black guy who raped Guts? Dead. Guy tried to rape Casca when she was a kid? Dead. The two random bandits who tried to rape Casca when she was retarded? Dead.
The only exception to this is Guts and Griffith but Guts didn't really try to rape her, just kiss her, and Griffith is a demon and will likely die by the end of the story.
If you do evil shit, you get your just desert, it's just not explicitly shown.
>>142762583
>tried to read it right to left
Every fucking time
There is also a rape horse in Ubel Blatt. Except there it a normal horse taught to rape women. This is pure edge.
>>142762655
>If you think that was logical conclusion, you're stupid. It was something the author wanted to do.
I don't think those two things are incompatible.
It was a logical inclusion and it was something the author wanted to do.
Do you think anyone is arguing that berserk is a documentary? You are batshit insane. Everything in fiction is shit the authors wanted to do.
It does not seem contrived at all.
sasuga /a/.
>>142762709
Griffith did nothing wrong.
>>142755296
"edgy" is apparently anything you aren't comfortable with, maybe you should just expand your boundaries and stop being a pussy. it's just a manga, don't be a bitch, it won't hurt you
>>142762709
>it isn't edgy because atop of the rape there is also a lot of dead.
I think I agree with you but saying there is a lot of death as proof that something isn't edgy is weird.
>>142762730
>it does not seem contrived
>to walk up to a horse and tell it you are gonna mount it
>than for the horse to reply
>I'm gonna mount you
>all of this done just to piss guts off and for that line
Pretty damn contrived.
>>142762834
The line is awkward.
But your argument is that he started with the rape horse.
Which again is beyond retarded.
>>142762834
>>all of this done just to piss guts off and for that line
Every thing in me tells me I should stop replying to you but you get stupider and stupider with every post and I just can't stop myself.
>>142762753
Her face is visible, give niqab.
>>142760272
Reddit tier thread with your reddit tier opinion
>you're fooling anyone fagbag
>>142762865
The argument was that having the horse rape you was logical and not contrived.
Those lines show it was done on purpose and not very natural.
>>142759970
>This thread
>>142762948
Contrived does not fucking equal on purpose. The connotations are completely different.
Nobody is denying it was done on purpose. And only the lines were unnatural. The rest of it was fine.
And for someone who just accused other people from moving the goalpost you sure are sneakily switching from "rape horse was contrived" to "the line was contrived".
>>142762794
I would consider it edgy if rape just happened and people endlessly got away with it. Also, the rape, for example, always serves a purpose for the story. Guts gets psychologically affected, Casca looks up to Griffith after her attempted rape and then becomes broken after her rape with Griffith. And when Casca gets attempted rape by two bandits, you get a glimpse that Casca's true self is hidden in the retardedness.
>it isn't edgy because atop of the rape there is also a lot of dead.
To be fair, death itself isn't seen as edgy to me, just the normalcy of the world. There isn't really a system of justice in the Berserk world, and you can't obviously bring people to justice, so taking matters into your own hands and throwing justice to those who have attempted or raped you is justice, at least to me.
>>142762909
>fagbag
>>142762709
>but it is rather optimistic
I'm not so sure about that.
>>142763175
He is still in denial and thinks this new band is not going to be raped and then killed in a brutal way.
>>142763020
I didn't even move the goal post.
I moved it back to the original context.
I finally got you to admit you were being a fag and that it was done on purpose and thought of beforehand.
Now I am moving back to whether or not it was a logical conclusion.
Anyway, the lines are why it is contrived. The lines are why he picked his horse. Do you think he decided to make the rapist a horse and then halfway through think "holy shit I just thought of the best line. Lucky me I chose a horse!"
No ofcourse not. The only thing was done by the author for a reason. It wasn't natural. It was contrived for those reasons.
In fact I even mention you're argument already here >>142761942
So not only are you arguing badly but you are doing it in circles with things I've already shown are retarded.
>>142763175
Berserk is a story about good against evil, human versus monsters. Duality is a constant presence with a slight tilt on the good side.
If you look at individualistic struggles, it's optimistic, if you look with a wider glance, it's cynical. I love that sort of shit.
>>142763208
It won't happen. This coming from a guy who loves rape.
>>142763217
>it was done on purpose and thought of beforehand.
What in fiction isn't?
EVERYTHING IN EVERY FICTIONAL MANGA was thought of beforehand
I can't believe you are this stupid.
>Anyway, the lines are why it is contrived.
So EVERYTHING is contrived and you are working back from that because I thought it was fair to admit the lines were awkward?
can you give me an example of any story you don't think is contrived. Because by your definition everything should be.
>>142755818
are you calling ISIS as edgy? because they are perfect picture of medieval mentality
>>142762709
I wouldn't say it's optimistic, but I do think that the moments of beauty in the series tends to get overlooked. Not to mention there are a number of pure and good people that counterbalance all the evil rapists like Luca, Godo, Laban. And some tender moments like Guts and Casca's moments in the golden age or when Guts tells Jill to find her own way (pic related). This isn't like the road where the world is completely devoid of hope and it's just a canvas painted black. And despite a lot of people thinking that Guts party will all die a horrible death, the only ones I can honestly see dying are like Serpico and maybe Azan.
>>142763208
Nah, I don't think that'll happen. But the whole premise is pretty cynical. A glorious, beautiful city like Falconia, but it took brutal, gory sacrifice and a deal with the devil to build it. It's like the message "can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs" but exponentially more severe and talking about how great things come to be in life.
Also, the only way to beat that demonic force of power, is to use magic. Magic as in shaping reality, but really, to conjure via deception (magick).
Guts won't win either. No chance in hell it would end that way. If he did, somehow it would be because Griffith wanted him to, which isn't a victory at all.
>>142763336
>can you give me an example of any story you don't think is contrived.
**I meant isn't contrived obviously.
>>142759970
/a/ has always been shit
>>142763028
I will say that I do think that the violence is kind of stylized in a way that makes it look "cool" rather than actually having some purpose or weight at times. Like I don't think it's a real critcism per say, and it gives Berserk a flavor. But it tends to cheapen some of the more serious moments where the violence is used to really showcase the shitty setting (The torture in Albion, The Eclipse, Griffith's torture, The warcrimes of Kushan empire on Midland soldiers in the opening chapter of Millenium Falcon). But yeah something like Nausicaa tends to handle violence with more gravitas, and I think that's what people mean when they say berserk is edgy.
>>142760175
Tumblr pls go
>>142755296
Anybody else initially though wyald was meant to represent niggers?
>>142763374
Yes, I completely agree with you. These tender moments are what bring hope to a bleak world but not everything is cynically horrible, which makes the Berserk world alive.
>And despite a lot of people thinking that Guts party will all die a horrible death, the only ones I can honestly see dying are like Serpico and maybe Azan.
That's only because people can't see further into where the story will go. My view of how things will play out is that Guts will forgo his revenge on Griffith and live happily with Casca on the elf island. Something will bring them back to the mainland (I don't know what) and they'll have JRPG adventures in the new world. This will bring the party to the foundation of a mercenary army that will be assembled to destroy Falconia, cut down the Tree of Life that generates all the monsters, and save the world. With Casca being the leader of this army (remember Gut's declaration of war and Casca still being the leader of the Hawk) and Serpico being the strategist/tactician of the army. This sort of legendary battle of the ages is how I see Berserk ending. With the possibility of everyone except loli witch and Guts dying and not before. No one will be raped because the mood of the story isn't as it used to be.
However, if Falconia does fall, it would be glorious to see the mercenary army pillaging, plundering and raping everyone. A paradise literally burning.
That's when Miura will bring back the rape to 11.
>>142756133
The rapists aren't exactly going to go after the housewives and grannies are they?
>isn't edgy
I don't think anyone who has actually read the series will say that. Edgy shit happens all the time for the shock value.
Oh, is that a female minor character who helped Guts? Raped, murdered, then necro-raped again.
>>142763607
Edgy doesn't mean anything dark happening.
Edgy has a lot more implications which don't apply to berserk.
If Berserk is edgy to you, you're honestly too uncultured and uneducated for it. And I'm not saying it's incredibly sophisticated or anything. But humanity has been glorifying war in its art for millennia, and for good, solid, philosophical reason. Berserk also rests on a great deal of Renaissance and Nietzschean philosophy.
>>142763531
I dunno, it has a somewhat realistic style to its coolness. It's not entirely goofy or unrealistic either.
Though I personally felt it went terribly during the war with Griffith and the Emperor, when both sides were using monsters as their army.
That's when I felt Berserk lost a bit of its realistic touch.
>>142761671
how are you supposed to rape if you're stuck in a trench all day ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>142763336
Jesus christ.
You change your mind constantly, you don't read my post, you are just trying to win a competition.
>>142760944
Right here I mention how I would think it would be even more retarded if he didn't plan this ahead.
The argument was that he went out of his way to show the horse rape. That it felt out of place and very weird (added context not goalmoving or whatever stupid shit you will say next).
The argument was that it wasn't logical.
I'm not going to quote the same two post where they specifically mention how it made logical sense for that to happen again.
Specifically I stated that mirua thought of that before he start outlining the chapter or at least around the same time. This was to help argue that the scene wasn't logical.
Then I argued that because the author wanted to show that rape scene and stupid dialogue he purposely created a story in which farn would run to gut's horse and say "let me mount you."
It was you who said that the author didn't think about the rape horse and create a scene around it.
And now, in a some sort of irony, you are completely moving goal post. Ignoring everything.
You are retarded and this was a waste of time.
>>142763639
To be fair, that first line
>it's when someone creates a character and tries to give them depth by having lots of bad things happen whilst stressing both the emotional angst and the line between a hero and villain
That can be viewed as Guts
>>142755296
Probably because it existed before the term really existed as it is now. Berserk earned the title of "Fucked up" way back. The big focus on rape and huge cock demons are the product of lonely and probably not too stable mind, but he's good at drawning.
>>142763579
>criminal
>looks like a monkey
>rapes white women
>seemingly superhuman-like retard strength
I think you're onto something here
>>142763695
That's stupid. Black people also rape black women.
>>142763682
>It was you who said that the author didn't think about the rape horse and create a scene around it.
I never said that.
I just don't see how that would be the fucking start point.
Which is your entire argument you have with no proof.
And again. Please give me ANY example of ANY fictional story that isn't contrived according to you.
Just the last thing you watched/read or whatever that wasn't contrived.
Because I am prettty sure that is also what writers came up with.
Contrived means obvious. Meaning at the start of reading the chapter you knew it would culminate in a rape horse.
That is fucking insane to me.
>>142763584
That's a good prediction, and I can see something like that happening. Really awaiting Guts showdown with the new band of the hawk. Hoping Serpico gets to face one of the apostles too.
>>142763579
Someone post the nigger rape statistics in murica
>>142763607
>Oh, is that a female minor character who helped Guts? Raped, murdered, then necro-raped again.
Happened once.
>>142763584
>Something will bring them back to the mainland (I don't know what)
Casca will. She's going to lead the attack on Falconia. Here are my reasons for thinking this:
1. Casca is the only one to have witnessed, up close and personal, the death of the Band of the Hawk members; Guts only found them dead afterwards. And Casca was their maternal leader for over a year. This is a detail Miura can no way have Casca forget.
2. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorn'd. Don't forget this. And Casca was always a furious woman.
3. In Shakespeare's Julius Caesar, the assassin to strike Caesar first is the character Casca.
>>142763799
>Contrived means obvious
Is this the problem? Was I arguing with a non-native english speaker the whole time?
Contrived means the semi-opposite of obvious. It means things do not progress naturally and were obviously forced by the author.
If a bomb was going off and all of a sudden the main protagonist gained a super power to fly and threw the bomb into the ocean that is contrieved.
Not because we knew that would happen (no one would) but because it is obvious that the author forced that to happen and it happened unnaturally. It has nothing to do with the reader knowing it would happen, often times its the opposite.
Funny how your going crazy because you don't know the english definition. What country are you from?
>>142763971
>attack on Falconia
kek, good luck with that
>>142764006
Contrived definitely does mean obviously planned.
>>142763971
Hmm, interesting. So the person that will make Guts settle down and not search for Griffith is also the person that will go back looking for him.
>Casca is the only one to have witnessed, up close and personal, the death of the Band of the Hawk members;
That's also a more interesting point. Although Guts did see Pippin and Gaston die in front of him.
>>142764010
It's going to happen.
>>142762709
Jesus, this shit again.
Look, Akame ga Kill is edgy in its presentation but it is rather optimistic. Just because it has rape and murder doesn't push it completely towards to pivot people consider 'bad edginess' which is just edgy for the sake of it.
My main point of knowing why this isn't true is by looking at every single rapist or potential rapist. All of them end up dead. That blonde chick that raped Tatsumi friends? Dead. Guy tried to rape Kurome when she was a kid? Dead. The bunch of random bandits who tried to kill Mine when she was retarded? Dead.
If you do evil shit, you get your just desert, it's just not explicitly shown.
>>142764006
>If a bomb was going off and all of a sudden the main protagonist gained a super power to fly and threw the bomb into the ocean that is contrieved.
Cool.
And that is the horse turning into a demon around guts.
Because that hasn't happened in any way before.
The mark before that only protected him
You are right.
You massive massive retard.
>>142764006
Does contrived not mean obviously planned?
Am I taking crazy pills here?
>>142764048
And how will they attack Falconia? A city defended by the most powerful army on Earth and a king with divine powers protected by the fate itself.
>>142764056
Yeah no, no one gets their just desert in AgK.
>>142764100
>forgetting that Guts has fucking MAGIC on his side
>implying Elfhell won't support him too
>>142755296
What a bully, atleast Donovan payed for Guts fair and square.
He did nothing wrong.
>>142764038
>>142764087
Stop spead reading. Read what he said.
He said the audience should know right from the begining what is about to happen.
Pay attention before inserting yourself into an argument
>Meaning at the start of reading the chapter you knew it would culminate in a rape horse.
That is definitely not what contrived means. Contrived means its obvious the author planned it but that might not be obvious to the audience until the event happened. Read again.
>>142764062
You are sperging out again. It is contrived because it is obvious the author wanted to do that for the reasons I've been through.
It has nothing to do with it being obvious from the start.
I don't know how you can get a definition wrong and go on pretending you were right the whole time.
>>142764195
>magic
Which is clearly weaker than the God Hand.
Why would the wizards support Guts?
>>142764100
With an army of witches, mercenaries paid primarily by Farnese's father, elves (maybe the dwarfs will come back? Who knows. It would be insane if the human army had groups of people in Berserker armor to fight) and whatever is left of the kingdoms' armies. This army will require every single coin left that the nobles have to finance this war.
I'm not saying that this army will have good odds. Their chances of victory are so impossible it can be said to never even exist but they're going to try because the entire world will be at stake.
>a king with divine powers protected by the fate itself.
Yes and no. IoE does not protect Griffith or even the God Hand. If anything, IoE is making this happen so that they all get killed, Griffith goes back to the Astral and becomes the 1st God Hand member and the cycle continues.
Also, it won't just be Griffith, all the God Hand members have gone back to earth. Honestly, just having all the God Hand to kill is just insane.
>>142764195
Don't forget that foreshadowing with Flora of Griffith seeking to kill witches because 1 witch is equal to an army of 10,000. This is no random backdrop info.
>>142764121
Pretty much all the bad guys except Esdeath and the Prime Minister had their desert already, and that's just a matter of time now that the manga it's on the finish line.Also Esdeath is not actually bad, she's just in the wrong side of the war, her only objective is to live and die for the battle.
>>142764219
>Contrived means its obvious the author planned it but that might not be obvious to the audience until the event happened. Read again.
If a writer is that bad and if he is writing that contrived then yes a reader should be expecting it.
I don't really care about from the start part. I am just trying to figure out were the contrived thing comes from for you.
This is like 50 posts now and you still haven't given me any example of any fictional story or part of a story you think isn't contrived.
I am genuinely just trying to understand you here and you are getting stupider and stupider.
>>142758604
What do you fucking want? This isn't going to be Proust or James Joyce. (although the latter is filthy.)
>>142759283
So, basically it's good? That's what you are saying? Because you said it goes with the feel of the work perfectly. That would make it successful at it's intended purpose.
It occasionally rises to the level of presenting delirious horrors from the fevered, apocalyptic imagination of Bosch, and rather faithfully at that.
Dumb piece of shit.
>>142760730
It establishes them as vile subhuman pieces of shit. Just like all the other rapists in the series. It is a little lurid. But it does serve a purpose.
It helps establish "This universe fucking sucks".
>>142759244
Are you stupid?
>>142764310
That's a stupid question.
>>142764257
They are impossible because Skull Knight explicitly stated that you can't defy fate (in this case defeat Griffith) during normal circumstances.
>>142764219
>It is contrived because it is obvious the author wanted to do that for the reasons I've been through.
And you still haven't given any evidence.
First you said he wanted to get to the rape horse. Now you are saying he wanted to get to the rape horse joke.
I am out. You are the most stupid person on 4chan.
>>142762909
Reddit is criminally underrated on this site. The average level of discourse and post quality on 4chan is solidly right at the absolute bottom of the gutter, drowning on night soil and squalid water.
The tendency might be more towards you know, not being sociopathic, but that's your fucking problem. Not that you care, but anyone who does ought to appreciate the difference.
Enjoy lapping filth out of the cesspool and calling it fine wine you jackass.
>>142764358
You sure sound mad.
>>142764230
If the fate of the world is at stake, they might.
One of things I think might bring Guts and co back to the mainland is if the fantasy monsters somehow pass through the magic barrier and threaten the lives of the witches and elves. This sends Guts and Co to find out what is going on and find out that all these monsters are generated by the Tree of Life. If they don't destroy it, eventually, the entire world will become completely toxic of fantasy monsters and inside Falconia, the God Hand will constantly sacrifice people.
The reasoning for why they'll join is somewhat unknown, since we don't know the power structure and organization of witches/wizards. But I am absolutely confident that they'll join this war because of Griffith seeking to kill witches and their worth being 10,000 per witch. This is an important foreshadowing.
>>142764331
You misunderstand the flow of causality. The God Hand manipulate causality (somehow?) but it is still IoE that has absolute control. Remember the Eclipse? The God Hand did not see Skull Knight coming but IoE did. You want to know why? Because right after the Eclipse happened, Rickert was outside waiting with a bag of elf dust to heal Casca and Guts. It was all preordained by fate and Skull Knight knows it.
The destruction of Falconia is always preordained by fate. The God Hand are not above fate itself and will all die, as the previous generation of the God Hand have before them.
>>142764358
>Reddit is criminally underrated on this site.
Hahahaha
>>142764100
dude it's pretty much obvious falconia gonna tear apart by itself
>>142764294
Not that anon but I have an example.
The "I know" line from empire strikes back.
That wasn't contrived because it wasn't planned.
>>142764294
>>142764336
>I'm mad I lost an argument brigade.
You are moving goal post because your points were stupid. Its been only a few post since you asked for another show for some fucking reason. I keep telling you I am not arguing about anything else than this horse rape. Stop trying to pull this argument elsewhere just to make you look good.
It is obvious the author planned from the start because of the lead up to it. From the fact that she runs and finds his horse right away to her saying she wants to mount it.
It is contrived because the author clearly chose the horse and the dialogue because he wanted the horse to rape her from the start (of his outlining). As in hindsight it is obvious the author wanted to do that. Like the actually definition of contrived that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with it being obvious to the audience from the start. The definition you forced on me because you move goal post and accuse me of moving goal post.
This is retarded. This isn't an argument this is mean saying the same things over and over while you try to drag me somewhere else.
At least the people reading hopefully gained some insight.
>>142764401
>The God Hand are not above fate itself and will all die, as the previous generation of the God Hand have before them.
Were the "Angels" that brought down Gaiseric's empire when Void ascended the previous godhand then?
>>142764492
Because if that scene is contrived then EVERYTHING is contrived. Everything is planned by authors and you still have no proof he started with the rape horse.
You can't just say something often enough and then it becomes a fact.
And yes I am trying to move the argument because I am trying to understand you. I don't want to be right. I don't give a single fuck. That is not what arguments are about for me. I want to understand you. But you seem only concerned with being right so if I say you are right that berserk is edgy will you leave this thread?
>>142764401
>but IoE did.
We don't know that.
Causality is like water in a river. They can't predict everything (that's why it's possible to change something during reality changing events) but everything adjusts itself later to fit their agenda.
>>142764492
>It is obvious the author planned from the start because of the lead up to it.
>"an author planning something is contrived"
>-/a/non
>>142764435
I don't think so. I think Falconia will remain bright and happy but will have a hidden secret that everyone somewhat ignores or doesn't notice. From time to time, people will vanish. Not noticably, either. A shop will close down, a person will not come home. Things like that. And the truth will be that each section of Falconia are divided by the God Hand to indulge into their own collective negative emotion to enjoy. Just imagine Slan having parties or orgies, Ubik with people bring broken, Conrad with people starving to death, Void with people endlessly praying and Griffith to be sacrificed. That sort of thing.
>>142764520
Killed by Skull Knight. The 5th angel was Void himself. He's the sage mentioned by Mozgus. After they were all defeated, Void became the 1st God Hand member in the new cycle. When Guts will finally kill Griffith, he'll become the 1st God Hand member as well.
Skull Knight had to wait 1000 years for a new messiah to be born, bring down the God Hand to earth so that he might finally kill Void.
This will likely happen to Guts as well.
There is also likely someone like Skull Knight who was waiting 1000 years for the God Hand to come to earth so that he might kill his own God Hand member and helped Skull Knight to kill them all.
>>142764581
Everything adjusts itself because IoE manipulates it. We might not know that but I'm pretty damn sure it's the truth. Rickert randomly showing himself outside of the Eclipse wouldn't have happened if fate wasn't sure that Guts and Casca would survived, and that Skull Knight would come to save them.
>that's why it's possible to change something during reality changing events
This is arguable since Skull Knight says this and it's never been shown to work.
>Skull Knight tries to change something during reality changing events and he himself was the key to cause a reality changing event
Causality is like a river and IoE is like the moon casting its shadow over everything.
But the real question is this:
Can a fish jump from the river and destroy the moon?
>>142761671
Wow you're pretty fucking retarded Cleytus
Tell me more how WW1 spent in the trenched and hospital writing pseudo nordic poems is supposed to teach you about medieval war.
Besides GRRM has a master in medieval history and know far more about medieval history than you and Tolkien but because muh draft dodger muh he didnt go to die like a sheeple for the ebin us army you wont like him because you're a fucking redneck and should join your kind on /pol/
I don't even remember rape horse, what chapter is it?
>>142762792
Edgy is what happens when an author writes a script with darkness as the main motif without any substance to back it up and is handled badly. It's designed to cater towards angsty teens that seem to think darkness and gore are cool, usually mixing them with other tonally different lowest common denominator tropes. It's darkness for the sake of darkness and not for the sake of plot or characterization, it's when it tries really hard to appear "dark" through contrived and ineffective tragedy, violence, or evil that it's laughed off by everyone with a brain and/or that graduated middle school. Think Freezing, EL, AKG, Pupa etc
tl;dr it's when over the top violence is to mask shit writing. Berserk only uses it to enhance the story. It's grim.
Does anyone know where I can download the chapters of Berserk with the new translation and text?
>>142764697
>Rickert randomly showing himself outside of the Eclipse wouldn't have happened if fate wasn't sure that Guts and Casca would survived
Or maybe it adjusted itself after they survived just so they could be used later in Albion.
>>142755296
I haven't even read beserk, but:
>anything remotely dark is "Edgy"
This meme really needs to die already. If you want to live in a safe space of nothing but comedies and SoL that's fine, but keep your delusion to yourself. I'm not saying that over-the-top edginess doesn't exist, but it's a pretty silly thing to rail against.
>>142764830
IoE plans things hundreds of years in advance.
Everything is within the flow of causality. Even choices that can potentially change causality.
>>142764855
>everything is withing the flow of causality
So why is Skull Knight even trying? Berserk is partially about defying fate and causality. It would be weird if Guts destroying Griffith was just a part of the original plan.
>>142764566
Don't worry this is my last post.
You are arguing something I am not trying to argue.
I will just recap what this argument was originally about.
You said it made logical sense for the horse to try and rape her.
You actually tried to make it sound like it wasn't really weird and that it was a natural part of the scene and not something the author went out of his way to do.
I proved it was by showing you evidence in the lines that show the author almost 99% chose the horse, the dialogue all to set up her getting almost raped by the horse.
Your refutation to this was
>that was just one off dialogue! hes around demons all the time! its natural for a horse to try to rape the naive girl and remind guts of his past
I said this wasn't naturally and that you could tell the author constructed the beginning of the chapter around that scene with the horse. You were out of arguments so you started making shit up and now you are saying everything is contrived to me. I won't bother arguing that because that is not what I was trying to do.
I showed the scene was not natural. That the author set up those events in the chapter to show her almost being raped. Nothing you have said would convince your detractors otherwise.
Now you are playing the whole "i'm just trying to understand you" psychology shtick because you can't think of anything else at this point.
From this recap it is obvious you are moving the post just for argument's sake. This isn't a general, I am on topic here.
>>142764358
>. The average level of discourse and post quality on 4chan is solidly right at the absolute bottom of the gutter, drowning on night soil and squalid water.
and then multiply that awfulness by 100 and you have /a/
>>142764898
>So why is Skull Knight even trying?
Because he wants to kill Void. Or, at least, IoE is planning it so that Skull Knight can finally kill Void. But he probably doesn't even know himself that defying fate is also part of fate itself. A good example is still Skull Knight trying to kill Griffith. Had he killed Griffith, the world would not have gone to shit. Fate would have been defeated, etc. But like Griffith says, even that sword stroke was a part of fate. Which leads to the God Hand coming to earth, which will lead Skull Knight to finally kill Void.
>It would be weird if Guts destroying Griffith was just a part of the original plan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWILhrSzw5o
Personally, I find it hilarious. IoE apparently can only control small base emotions, and possibly can't control Guts or his rage. To have it all been keikaku the entire time is hilarious
>hey Guts, your entire revenge went all according to keikaku, now you have to wait 1000 years to finally kill Griffith for the final last time
That's hilarious to me in a tragic sense.
>>142764798
Don't remember the number, but it's when Guts takes Farnese hostage to escape the holy chain knights camp.
>go talk about something with ANY amount of brutality
>call it edgy cuz lmao buzzwords
classic
>>142765054
>what chapter does the rape horse scene happen?
>oh it's probably after the scene which leads to the rape horse
>>142765114
>asking to be spoon-fed
Find it yourself faggot
>>142765053
>hey Guts, your entire revenge went all according to keikaku, now you have to wait 1000 years to finally kill Griffith for the final last time
His desire for revenge is not portrayed in the manga as something good. It's destructive for him and his friends.
Why would IoE want to destroy the God Hand in the first place?
>HURDR ANYTHING EDGY IS BAD!!
Where did all these retards come from?
>>142764697
>all this conjecture
Interesting stuff anon, but do you have any sources/references to back you up? Seriously asking.
