Should Dragon Ball have ended at the Freeza arc?
Majin Buu
>>142617338
Use the fucking catalog retard
>>142597696
>>142617448
good
Nope.
>>142617338
Nah. Cell saga was good. Only buu bothered me and that is because they nerfed gohan
>>142617731
>le "Cell saga is good" meme
>>142617504
If you can handle dozens of moe/waifu threads each day, I think you can handle a few Dragon Ball threads.
>>142618219
>Bumping the thread
Kill yourself retard
>>142618279
>bumping it again
kys
>>142617338
Should've ended when goku married chichi imo but it didn't get bad until majin buuGreat Saiyaman Arc was good tho
>>142617338
>Should Dragon Ball have ended at the Freeza arc?
That's where Toriyama originally meant to end it, so technically, yes, it should have ended there.
Whether or not it's a good thing it didn't is debatable. But ending the series with Goku's death would've been legendary.
>>142617338
It just should've had an entirely different structure.
1. Cell Arc (Opponents created on earth)
2. Buu Arc (Opponent not from earth but awakened there)
3. Sayan Arc (Intruders from space, reveal of Gokus heritage)
4. Frieza Arc (Going to space, defeating the most dangerous being in the galaxy/universe, turning into legendary super sayan)
>>142617504
>Lets make a franchise general
Fuck off.
>>142617338
I wouldn't have liked it. A final arc where most of the cast isn't even around?
I guess it's fine to many Americans because you started watching from the Saiyan Saga, but it'd pretty underwhelming to see the show end in an arc that takes place in a setting that removes most of the cast. The Cell Saga, in comparison, even managed to give a scene to Karin out of all people.
Meanwhile, the actual Buu Saga ending, although mishandling the cast and making most of their presence pointless (with most of them being killed off screen by Super Buu), at least had the mega Genki Dama with everyone's power.
>>142617338
yes
>>142617536
>>142617731
it's not
>>142618639
This order actually sounds really good
>>142617504
that's a different fucking topic
>>142618412
>What is sage?
Retarded and a newfag
>>142618240
>>142618639
>>142618854
Fuck off faggots we don't need three DB threads especially for this stupid topic that has been discussed to death
>>142606316
>>142597696
Cell saga was the perfect way to conclude the series
>but then we wouldn't have the glorious Android Saga
>Cell Saga was shit tho
>>142617338
of course it shoud have. it wouldve elevated the story to actually really respectable and interesting level, like a book
>Goku discovers his origins
>The last of his people
>His fiercest rival and the only other pure Saiyan dies crying asking you to avemge his people
>His best friend dies.
>He becomes the legendary Super Saiyan, avenging his people against basically their version of Hitler
>He dies as the last of his people, the curious Saiyan who grew up on Earth, and ended up the legendary Super Saiyan stopping the Universe's greatest threat.
actual pottery unlike
>whoa my son super saiyan at age 10?
>>142619658
This
>>142619658
i will say this caveat,
it wouldve wasted the "Gohans hidden potential" buildup that he so deliberately crafted.
Cell saga concluded this beautifully
did goku really care about his race? he didn't even know he was an alien until fourteen months before, and for most of that time he only thought of other members of his race as adversaries that kidnapped his son and wanted to kill Earth
>>142618538
Nope.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/intended-end/freeza/
>>142617338
Frieza did nothing wrong
>>142622923
Genociding the Saiyans? Sure. Rule the universe with an iron grip with no regard for anyone but yourself? No.
>>142619658
>So much this.
Frieza arc was the only place where it was even remotely pretending to be narrative driven.
It was the high point of the series.
Toriyama tried to replicate it with Android/Cell saga - but failed so hard, he bailed towards his forte - gag manga.
>>142619884
Had it ended at Frieza, then Gohan's outbursts would be considered as foreshadowing of Goku's SSj nature.
>He has to get it from somewhere.
>>142618932
Indeed. it was the heroic sacrifice that Toriyama wanted to do at Namek and the conclusion of Gohan's development/plot. the final enemy had every attribute of the most strongest warriors alive and Krillin finally found love. (a open plot since the Malon thing)
>>142621106
From the very article you posted.
> It is only natural that there would be considerable pressure to keep Dragon Ball going when it was at the height of its popularity. Knowing Toriyama’s dislike of the weekly serialization grind, and the fact that he chose the name “Dragon Ball Z” because he wanted to end the series soon, it seems pretty unlikely that Toriyama would have refused the opportunity to end the series after the Freeza arc if it had been offered. On its own, the claim that Dragon Ball‘s popularity made Toriyama continue past the Freeza arc is extremely plausible.
Toriyama wrote every arc as it would be the last one, he wrote as he went.
It's not like it was a last minute change, but the arc was clearly written as a potential finale.
>>142618932
I would've loved to see the epilogue just be the adventures of the Great Saiyaman, so it's open ended and lets fans imagine all the opponents that Gohan will face with Saiyaman 2 and Saiyaman 3.
>Videl! Goten! A giant pink monster is terrorizing Satan City!
>But Gohan, we have to study for that history exam about my dad!
>We can study later. Saiyamen, assemble!
>>142617731
Fuck Cell Saga Cell was a shit villain, Buu was more final boss material than he will ever be and fuck Gohan Goku is the MC he gets the be the one who kicks the final boss's ass.
>>142624157
Buu sucked too.
>>142618936
They're the same arc, dumbass.
Honestly, ending it at Freeza would've been too dark for Dragon Ball.
Manga
Namek > Saiyan > Android > Majin
Anime
Saiyan > Android > Majin > Namek
>>142619884
There is always the possibility for a spinoff series where Gohan succeeds Goku, Now the question would be....Why can't Goku just be wished back? I would guess it is because Dying via the destruction of a planet would count as a natural cause of death, Frieza did not destroy Namek after all, He just damaged the core to the point the planet was destroyed due to instability.
>>142626047
>watching the anime
Why do people hate the android saga so much? We got the best scene in Dragon Ball from there ya know?
>>142627733
>one moment makes an entire arc good
wew lad
>>142617338
No, then there would be no Cell and Buu.
>>142618639
>fight perfect organism right away
>without even being a super sayan
>>142627733
>Gero aspulled into existence
>Androids stronger than Frieza
>Time chamber asspull
>Everyone starts becoming super saiyan, further making everyone else useless
>Multiple people acting retarded and letting cell reach final form
Only fuccbois who self insert as Gohan would think highly of it.
>>142628446
> Geo asspulled into existence
He was part of the red ribbon army from DB. He son was even a soldier.
> Androids stronger than Frieza
So? They're artificial. Why would their power be limited to less than that of Frieza?
> Time chamber asspull
Another element from DB
> Everyone starts becoming super saiyan
We only see Gohan go SS in this arc. Trunks was already SS when he was introduced and Vegeta unlocks it off screen, so only one person becomes SS in this arc
> Multiple people acting retarded and letting cell reach final form
No one acted retarded. Vegeta wanted a true challenge, and it's not in Krillians character to murder an innocent.
>>142628431
>then there would be no Cell or Buu
Why is this a problem?
>>142617338
when Goku hit Freeza with the genki-dama specifically.
Ending is fine how it is except fuck Uub. Should have never existed.
>>142628799
Because Cell and Buu are the best.
>>142628994
At being the worst?
>>142617338
Yes.
The rest of Z, GT and Super were a mistake.
>>142617536
DELETE THIS
>>142629223
Agreed. I can't believe the hacker known as 4chan allows this kind of misogyny on his website. Unsubbed.
>>142617504
Fuck you, weeb. There are dozens of cancer waifu BS threads and nobody gives a shit. Dragon Ball is better than that.
>>142618639
I didn't know how much I wanted this.
>>142628795
>He was part of the red ribbon army from DB. He son was even a soldier.
That's a retcon and an asspull.
>So? They're artificial. Why would their power be limited to less than that of Frieza?
A scientist on a backwater planet with pre-spaceflight tech, created machines stronger than self proclaimed Lord of the Universe, capable of blowing up planets with minimal effort at his weakest(Veggie with 18.000 intended to nuke the Earth with Galick Gun, what's a Frisbee gonna do with 120.000.000?)
>Another element from DB...
...That never actually existed in DB, prior to being asspulled into existence in the very chapter it was formally introduced.
>We only see Gohan go SS in this arc. Trunks was already SS when he was introduced and Vegeta unlocks it off screen, so only one person becomes SS in this arc
Irrelevant semantics, at the start off the arc we had a Legendary Super Saiyan, by the end of everybody and their dog were - whether they did it on-screen or off-screen is irrelevant.
>No one acted retarded. Vegeta wanted a true challenge, and it's not in Krillians character to murder an innocent.
Considering the stakes involved - that's very definition of retarded.
>>142629822
Do you think Vegeta gave two shits about the "stakes"? Literally all he wanted was a good fight for the entire arc. He didn't care about saving the Earth.
>>142630339
Holy shit someone who knows what he is talking about.
