Well /a/, I finally watched S2 after the autism has died down somewhat. Overall I liked S1 a lot better but this round had its moments.
Especially pic related. What a great scene.
I understand that the LNs are drawing to a close relatively soon, but will we ever have the rest of the series animated?
Yukino a shit. Worst girl.
>>142527736
Didn't S2 end near the end of the LNs anyway?
>>142528148
Yes, so it'll be an OVA or two to wrap it up. If they choose to, that is.
iroha best girl
Watari tweeted apology for delay in continuing oregairu but says he'll put maximum effort to make something worth the wait. Glad he feels guilty
Garbage series. Cancerous generals.
>>142528148
Huh, the LNs ended?
I remember S2 was close to the last volume PUBLISHED, but not that it was ending anytime soon...
>>142529240
here's your (You)
Now kill yourself
>>142529267
LNs haven't ended, but most people believe the next volume will be the last.
>>142528780
I love this series, but I can't believe there are still threads for it almost everyday. They're always just filled with the same Yukinofags and Yuifags arguining over the same shit over and over again
>>142527736
>based on an LN
>not transportation
give me one reason to watch it
Good Irohasu, everyone!
>>142529361
Oh yeah now that I checked the LN release dates, it's been almost ONE FUCKING YEAR since the last volume...
Still doesn't give much hope that everything will be animated when it does end though.
>>142529315
Whatever faggot. Enjoy your shit characters.
>>142527736
The first season was kind of funny at times and had some elements of truth and a solid final arc. The first season was dreadfully dull for the most part and almost entirely different tonally from the first with muttering droning dialogue and confusing teen melodrama problems of the kind that are all the rage in recent LNS
>>142529167
Hes too busy being used as brand power for Sony shit like the upcoming Qualidea Code. They seem to really love tying up people that work on other hits with bullshit projects so that they can't finish those works and compete through rival publishers and have their brand power for themselves.
I still prefer S1's art.
>>142529472
So kind of like Saekano, Fate, Asterisk and other LN shit that people have long exhausted things to discuss
season 3 leak
>>142529705
Saekano threads are even worse somehow. They get way more heated and autistic.
>>142529705
They don't have a thread up 24/7 all year
>>142527736
>but will we ever have the rest of the series animated?
Hopefully never.
>>142529827
Man, they don't even talk about the girls. They talk about EACH OTHER. What's more, they don't get new content (in terms of LN translations - they don't even read the LNs) so it's always the same tiresome waifu war thread after thread. At least with this show you have more than three characters to talk about.
>>142529680
I agree on Yukino, but I think Season 2 did pretty much everyone else better.
Finally finished reading ANOTHER. The ending sort of fit but I was hoping for Yuix8man to go further and I don't like that Yukino seem to be bothered by it but said nothing.
>>142529749
Wait, what?
Reminder that Sensei a best
>>142530370
Komachi looked way better in S1
>>142529167
>Glad he feels guilty
I doubt he even gives a shit really, he probably just said that to get people pestering him to fuck off. You guys care more about this dumb shit than he does.
how long before this thread turns into 300 posts of shitposting wars between Yuifags in denial and Yukinofags?
>>142527736
Like nisekoi it is never going to end and because of such its its just another shitty harem.
>>142534737
Soon enough anon
>>142529167
good
>>142534812
t.bait
Nisekoi is almost over, Oregairu is nearing its end too
>>142532931
Close but no cigar
>>142535448
>Yumiko's face when she sees 8man balls deep in Sensei.
>>142535620
>Sensei
>not Saki
>>142535853
Deny it all you want, but Yumiko definitely saw 8man banging 8man in the classroom.
>>142535919
I believe it.
>>142534737
I always thought the Yuifags were just baiting at this point, considering how easy it is to make the Yukinofags flip out
Reminder: There is no evidence Yukino is in love with 8man and ANOTHER proves it
>>142534737
Looks like around 45 minutes and 55 seconds
>>142536896
>here we go
>>142536896
Go away Yuipollfag
>>142527736
Just here to post perfection.
>>142527736
i dont understand a dam thing in s2. everyone being emo and shits. so annoying
>>142538105
I think I came to appreciate Hayami Saori more after watching this. Amazing singer, fantastic range and can imitate any voice/thing, and Sugita likes her a lot. He hits on a lot of young VA girls but apparently Hayamin is special.
>>142529890
Yahari had threads 24/7 when S2 aired, it was truly an experience.
Too bad the S1 threads were even better.
>tfw I saved pic related almost 3 years ago.
So disregarding all the waifu war stuff, what do you guys really think about this series as a whole? Good, average, or shit?
>>142538623
Average. It has a few thoughtful insights, but the tonal shift from S1 to S2 is too drastic and sometimes the character-driven developments are difficult to follow.
>>142538623
I'd like if they both seasons were made by the same studio, especially since the art style was really different, but story wise it's very nice, a solid 9/10 to me.
I only think when stuff gets sorta heavy and too abstract for high schoolers to think it's when it loses a bit of it's magic, you can't help but think "what the fuck are they talking about?" (even in moon) and then "are they really high schoolers?" but then you go "well it's been great so far so it's okay"
I wish S2 hadn't devolved into standard anime romance drama.
>>142538840
>you can't help but think "what the fuck are they talking about?" (even in moon)
I think there are certain nuances that are lost or can't be conveyed in translation, and this is coming from a native speaker.
It was helpful to watch the episodes on NND with the comments streaming across the screen. Sometimes people would post an interpretation/POV of a scene that made more sense than what the subs implied.
>>142534737
>Yuifags in denial
Oh my, whatever would they be in denial about?
>>142538261
You ever watch Inou Battle? She's amazing in that
>>142538468
I was a Yumikofag all the way back when season 1 aired.
>>142538804
Did you like the direction the story took after the tonal shift though? I liked the whole "finding something genuine" theme and how it leads to substantial development for the main characters, but I couldn't help but feel that the way it was presented was downright cringeworthy at points. And when you say that the development is hard to follow sometimes, do you mean that there's too much subtext?
>>142538840
I agree, sometimes I think that the way they're written doesn't make sense for people their age; we're supposed to think they're teenagers based in reality yet they all think in monologues or metaphors, and even their innermost thoughts have subtext, but I appreciate the effort Watari took to write somewhat poetically.
>>142539435
Not him, but I thought the genuine thing had potential. 8man hates high school because everyone acts so insincere, which means that all along he desired some form of sincerity. I feel like he figured that out about himself, which is a huge step for him because it was the first time in a long time that he had wanted something so badly.
The way it was handled just made it into fuel for the romcom fire instead of some sort of deep self-realization.
He should've come out as genuine to Hayato instead of to the two girls in school who were after the 8inch. Would've kept a lid on the romcom stuff and made for good character development.
>>142539435
>Did you like the direction the story took after the tonal shift though?
I think you said it best: "muh genuine" was a worthy pursuit but the presentation was just too heavy-handed. And yes about the subtext. S2 was just one big subtext after another. The way people were behaving in this or that situation became downright infuriating at times.
>>142538623
Entertaining, brought down by the waifu stuff that's predominant in S2 and therefore making S1 the best (that said, S2 had good moments that resembled S1... when Hikigaya was away from the club and interacted with literally anyone but Yui/Yukino)
I liked the genuine scene when I first read it and I still do, but "genuine" has become a goddamn meme and I shamefully admit that I got influenced and cringe at the mere sight of the word now.
I enjoyed Hikigaya's initial worldview and approach to things (it's actually what got me to pick up the story), and while I know it goes against what a proper story is supposed to be, I kinda wish he hadn't gone through his character development. One of my favorite parts of S1 is that up until the end he just kept doing his underhanded shit instead of showing "how much he had grown through the power of friendship"
>>142539678
I think so too, where's the male camaraderie? For most boys in high school, their confidants were other boys; they wouldn't reveal their true selves to girls until after they got with the girls, and before that, they would always front as an "alpha" to those girls. You never revealed your emotional side because it might scare the girls away. 8man and Hayato talking about their issues more would definitely be something interesting and relatable.
If 8man confesses to Yukino or whoever and uses "genuine" as part of the confession, we'll know once and for all that Watari is a hack. The cringe factor would be tremendous. I just hope "genuine" gets the treatment it deserves in the end.
>>142528780
Cute
>>142540109
8man actually had some bro moments with Saika and even Zaimokusa, sadly all of it was secondary and circled around "muh club."
Actually I really loved when during the election arc he gathered all the secondary characters to help himwho happen to have a pretty good relationship with him but of course whe can't have that be of any relevance besides saving muh club
>>142538623
I just finished both seasons back to back last week; definitely one of the more interesting series out there as I definitely could relate to a lot of the shit going on.
That said, I do agree Season 2, as much as I liked it, did go a bit overboard with its themes to the point where you feel its a bit pretentious. The "genuine" scene though definitely is the high point, as well as Hachiman and Hayama's growing respect for each other.
The love triangle shit is fine too as I knew we were going to get into it eventually since its still a light novel romance story at the end of the day. To give it credit though, its not as shallow as most of the same genre, but at the same time I couldn't help but think "This seems way too deep for high schoolers to be dealing with"
I think the best way this could end is for Hachiman to turn down both Yui and Yukino though as high school romances are the furthest thing from a genuine relationship you can get.
>>142540402
Funny story about that, I actually feel that Zaimokusa in particular was underutilized. We know that 8man fronts as a loner, Yukino fronts as an ice queen, and Yui fronts as a nice girl. I feel that Zaimokusa's personality isn't a facade, it never changed even after exposure to top-tier girls like Yukino and Yui, girls who always gave him shit for doing what he loved. Sure, Zaimokusa's actual writing may be really bad, but it seemed to me as if it, and him in general, were genuine from the start. That, and since Zaimokusa is kind of 8man's male kindred spirit, means that there was so much more that could have happened between them.
>>142540109Personally I've noticed that girls are more open to to talking about feelings than guys are and I really like that sort of thing so I connect with women about as much as I connect with men, though I recognize that isn't very common. Maybe 8man's kinda like that, IDK.Hayama and Hikigaya have been portrayed as two people who have remarkably similar worldviews, but grew up in different environments and act on those worldviews in wildly different ways. Hayama is trapped in his own life, always trying to live up to the expectations of the people around him, because he just wants to make them happy, be they his parents or his classmates. Through this, he's been exposed to the darkness that Hikigaya is always talking about, the insincerity in their hearts. And, like Hikigaya, it seems he's also given up on genuine-ness, though he still desires it. Hikigaya grew up without Hayama's popularity, and developed his worldview by having his naivety and idealism disintegrated by the people around him.
Throughout the show, I feel like they developed an understanding with each other, you know? Hayama sees through 8man's underhanded tactics (like in the S1 arc when he said "Why do you always have to do things like this?") because he GETS him. I also feel like he tried to make 8man see it, too, when he took him and those girls to the mall.
All that stuff could have culminated in some of the best bro moments in anime, now that I think about it. A mutual desire to be sincere, and a mutual feeling of being trapped by your circumstances.Why are platonic friendships so based?
>>142540645
he appears more in the LN and in bonus CD material, and really is Hachiman's bro though they trash talk each other. I suspect it is Totsuka that brings him along whenever "the gang" do outing like Christmas party or karaoke (again that's bonus material and LN)
>>142540645
As embarrassing as Zaimokusa's shenanigans were, it's actually commendable how he takes all the punishment up front then goes at it again the next day.
>but it seemed to me as if it, and him in general, were genuine from the start
Indeed, and the same can be said about Saika and Kawasomething who literally didn't give a shit about the stuff going around them and generally living a stress free highschool life (even taking into consideration Kawawho?'s part time job that only really had a work hours problem)
Seeing 8man being surrounded by such earnest people made it all the more cringy when he came crawling back to le deep character faec and her big breasted symbiote.
>>142540566
not genuine? I know of enduring high school romantic relationships in real life, including my parents
>>142539848
Definitely. What comes to mind for me especially is Yukino's recipe in ANOTHER, and I guess Yukino in particukar, really. Are we supposed to believe that the whole "covering up the chocolates with sugar to hide all my problems away" that Yukino actively thinks about is something that a teenager would actually think?And in her monologue, where I'm pretty sure she thinks about No Longer Human, it's made out to be something profoundly philosophical. But then you realize that the book is likely required reading in Japanese schools, considering how popular it apparently is. The American equivalent would likely be a teenager having philosophical musings about The Catcher in the Rye. Teenagers don't think in symbolism. Although my memory is hazy regarding that monologue, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
But if Watari himself writes her like this, does that mean she always thinks like this?
>>142539987
But he did grow in season 1, not by yardstick of underhanded methods but that he instead even has friends and acquaintances that he cares about. Not a loner any more.
>>142540566
>high school romances are the furthest thing from a genuine relationship you can get
That's why the ultra-rare ones that do turn out "right" are the most genuine of all. Or something.
>>142540933
It's a shame they never adapted the strip poker game. That was one of my favorite moments. Zaimokusa was great in that too.
Who else didn't see the love triangle coming?
>>142541072
>But if Watari himself writes her like this, does that mean she always thinks like this?
I hope not. Even if her upbringing was fucked up because of the mother (and to a lesser extent Haruno) that's just bullshit through and through.
>>142540666
Well put Satan, though I believe the scenarios are a little bit different on the
>mutual feeling of being trapped by your circumstances
subject. Even if Hachiman is stuck as a social pariah, he still has control of his life unlike Hayama who's life on autopilot.
>>142539051
but it didn't. no one has confessed to anyone and the focus is instead on facades vs. showing true self to another which the characters STILL haven't done with each other though two of them want it (Yui doesn't care about that)
>>142540986
>all the more cringy when he came crawling back to le deep character faec and her big breasted symbiote.
Maybe 8man is more of a teenage boy than we think. One think Yui and Yukino have is that they are really hot and he just doesn't know how to actually settle his relationships with people. I would prefer more interaction with Saki as she seems to be the only girl interested in him that isn't an emotional sponge.
>>142541072
>Are we supposed to believe that the whole "covering up the chocolates with sugar to hide all my problems away" that Yukino actively thinks about is something that a teenager would actually think?
Well,yeah, and even younger, but only in the cases of stuff like domestic abuse, the physical kind.
Yukino in particular? Nah, troublesoume as her faimily might be it shouldn't get to those levels.
>>142541207
I'm saying that they both can't do anything about where they're at. They're incapable of breaking free because of what everyone else thinks of them.
But yeah, I was stretching it a bit. I hope you still get the point, though; Hikigaya and Hayama having more bro moments and bonding over their uniquely similar views would have made for some great scenes.
>>142541429
>image
NOW I'VE LOST IT
Should just replace Yukino and Yui with Hayama and Ebina. Would have given us some interesting interactions. Maybe Saki as well. Zaimokusa once in a blue moon.
>>142538623
Definitely worth being among my top 5 anime, and my favorite LN. I liked S2 a lot better than S1, and i saw the "pretentious" stuff very worthy of a deeper analysis you can't do with most stuff. I find yahari is one of those few series that left its mark in my heart, and contributed a bit to who i am today.
Judging by the replies so far seems like my opinion is not that popular, but yeah, i love it.
>>142541519
I like Yui but I have to admit she doesn't really bring anything to the table. Like, she could have evaporated right after the nice girl speech and things would have gone roughly the same save for the waifuwar.
>>142541490
I KNOW I CAN KILL
>>142541234
>(Yui doesn't care about that)
Yui's character arc has been building towards wanting something like that. I think all three are strutting to want it.
>>142541335
I took as symbolism for the reader rather than her actual words.
>>142541519
You know that gives me an idea.
It could have been pretty interesting if the story wasn't about 8man developing a love triangle, instead his club members being a man and a woman with a crush on each other, with 8man being both unrelated to the romance AND still the protagonist.
Never seen that before, though I admit I'm not exactly a veteran in this kind of stories.
>>142540999
>>142541099
I'm not saying it CAN'T happen, just that it is highly unlikely. Teenagers are a bundle of raging hormones and your first crush can feel like "true love" but I highly doubt any teenager really understands what that is.
I know Anime likes to romanticize it and I'll admit, I get dragged into the shipping parts of a fandom myself if I think a pairing is cute enough, but even most of the high school relationships I observed didn't last past Senior year.
>>142541556
I feel that.
Yahari S1 had this weird quality to it when I watched it. Left me feeling empty for a while after it ended. When I caught on that there was a sequel I freaked out and marathoned it all; wasn't really prepared for the jarring tonal shift and characters being degraded by waifu stuff but I still think of it fondly.Not that I didn't get heavily invested in Yahari's waifu stuff at the time.
>>142541556
I genuinely liked the series and I think a lot of the monologues have some truth to them.
Just kinda wish there was more focus on other parts of the series beside the love triangle.
>>142541773
>a man and a woman with a crush on each other, with 8man being both unrelated to the romance AND still the protagonist.
But where could it go without involving the MC in love triangle shenanigans? He'd be basically a narrator of another person's story.
>>142541780
Teenagers' brains are still in the process of being rewired by puberty. They're primed for failure as far as relationships go.
>>142540986
Yeah, I would have loved to see 8man develop through those people as well rather than just the club. Zaimokusa hits a soft spot for me because I knew that kid in high school. He was a social autist, but he never tried to change himself or front even when talking to the school Stacys, who are legendarily judgmental. My group made fun of his autism regularly because he was once part of it, but in retrospect, I realize that he had it better than a lot of us. I wish that could have been implemented more.
>>142540999
That's fine, but then I could also say that every high school relationship I ever heard of was nothing but complaints, angst, and drama.
>>142541280
That would definitely have been appreciated. I feel like even Yui has gotten the short end of the stick in this series. We know almost nothing about her past, and despite her being a member of the club too, all the positive character development of the series had Yukino as the catalyst. Yukino seems to be the catalyst, through action or inaction, of everything that happens to the main characters. She has the most blatant flags I've ever seen, and she's always shoehorned together with 8man by "fate." The symbolism is on her side too: Yukino is the genuine girl, Yui is not. But real people are far more complex than that. I would be fine with the blatant shipping, but why have a love triangle if the other contender is nowhere near as fleshed out? When it's clear who we're supposed to root for? I feel that the major problems with the love triangle here are that it's just waifu war bait, it undermines the potential of "geniune," and that it'll end with no meaningful fleshing out or development for Yui, who apparently is supposed to be as much a main character as Yukino.
It's a great series when it is using the romcom bullshit as a launching point for 8man to ponder human nature and talk with characters outside of the triangle, but the actual romcom bullshit is just as terrible as it usually is. The adaption of S2 was pretty meh in my opinion because it lost so much of the nuance of the LN. I think it'd be really boring and bland to anyone that hadn't read the volumes beforehand.
>>142541642
The problem with Yui is that she declared she was going to try to win the 8bowl, and then did absolutely nothing for several volumes. Having her confess, get rejected, and then move on as their friend was the way to handle her character, but something like that is too definitive for a LN.
Sensei best woman, Iroha best girl
>>142541909
Or the romance could be sidelined as if it were the side character's sideplot? Up to volume 7 most of the plot worked without direct romance so that's 8man's part: forced community service with some nuanced development into getting closer to people again.
Man, it's as if we unconsciously just assume that whatever hint of a romance will eventually become the main plot and the center of events.Well, the title of the wok doesn't help there...
>>142541931
This is exactly why I think any potential relationship Hachiman forms with either Yui or Yukino wouldn't be "genuine".
No matter how much they care about each other, even they don't really understand what a "genuine" relationship is.
If the series really wanted to be cynical, it could have Hachiman and Yukino hook up after the latter's business with her family is taken care of and just show the process of Yui drifting away from them and eventually the guilt both of feel leads to their eventual break up.
But since that's kinda depressing, just have them all acknowledge their feelings for each other but choose not to pursue anything further to preserve their friendship; time skip to Hachiman entering college and musing about his high school life, but way more mature than before, only to meet up with both girls again and give the fandom something fight about.
>>142539678
Oregairu: The University Years when?
>>142541429
I loved that scene. They know the parts they have to play.
>>142542159
>Oregairu 2: the adventures of Hikigaya Bochiman
>>142542092
Well, if you want romance as a sideplot between secondary characters with the focus of the story somewhere else i guess you'd end up with some sort of VegetaxBulma stuff, romance that just happens just because, with nothing else to it.
Any try to look deeper into it or add some drama related would make it a main point of the plot (which i guess you wouldn't want)
>>142542152
>just have them all acknowledge their feelings for each other but choose not to pursue anything further to preserve their friendship;
That kind of shits on what the story has been building up to. The last scene gives me the impression that their relationships will be broken. I don't think romance will happen but I don't think a friends end can come about that way. The only truly good friends end is if things go to hell in a hand basket and in the end they come together.
I really don't think we will get anything of their story beyond high school, we will just be left with hints. Hell, it might not even get past the start of third year.
>>142542159
Yeah, with these two fighting over him instead of YY.
Final chapter has him confessing his homosexual desires to Saika and they becomes lovers.
>>142528361
I seriously hope it'll be a movie.
>>142542320
Well, what I mean is that it should have its importance and its share of screentime, as in being the focus of certain volumes/arcs, but not be the whole story's endgame like the love triangle is in Oregairu.
The core of the idea is that of the MC not being a participant of the the actual romance, but still a particiant in its development and resolution.
>>142541170I was rooting for IrohaThen Vol11 happened and Yukinon won over me
>>142541985
Yui's role in the story was supposed to be the heart, or the emotions, of the club. Her past has been hinted upon but it has always seemed self contained rather than something that leads to more intrigue. I don't know what to make of the love triangle business now that WW made ANOTHER.
I think WW made a mistake in tacking on a crush on 8man to her and keeping her in love with him through vol 11.
>>142542152
The thing is, does 8man even desire a romantic relationship? I feel like most of it is residual feelings from when he kept getting rejected by girls.
I feel like if anything's going to ruin genuine it's going to be Yui or Yukino gunning for the 8inch.
>>142542357
Well that kind of already happened when 8man was being hypocritical about his ideals and created a strain within the club. Doing it again would kinda feel much.
Its like he said in Volume 11; they should struggle, writhe, and worry together, even if they do eventually disband. But since the story has always had a bit of an uplifting feeling toward it, I highly doubt we'll get something really depressing.
>>142541688
THE TRUTH
>>142542530
>Then Vol11 happened and Yukinon won over me
What the fuck. Vol11 is Yukino at her fucking worst, I take it you like fixing broken girls?
>>142542357
I think this might happen too, how are a bunch of teenagers going to find out what an abstract concept such as "genuine" really means before their final year of high school, enough to maintain a romantic relationship or even a true friendly one, by living by that concept from then on? This is a concept that even adults have to discard sometimes in order to get ahead; how will teenagers unerringly adhere to it? How will this permanent change of character happen satisfyingly in one volume?
>>142541773
That premise would end up full ofcuckmemes desu.
>>142542535
>The thing is, does 8man even desire a romantic relationship?
Well, he says he doesn't want companionship or friendship. The thing he describes as not genuine is his feelings for Orimoto. Romance plays a part somehow.
>I feel like if anything's going to ruin genuine it's going to be Yui or Yukino gunning for the 8inch.
I don't think they really will. The ball is in 8man's court most likely.
>>142542547
I don't see an end where he learns a lot and is able to move forward in life depressing at all. A tacked on friendship end is just as bad as a tacked on romance end in my book and would depress me more.
>>142542561
EXISTS
>>142542530
>Jumping ship from Iroha to Yukino
>In fucking volume 11
>>142542633
>I don't think they really will. The ball is in 8man's court most likely.
Yeah, I know that. I guess what I was trying to say was that they would push him into making a decision where he wouldn't naturally make one.
>>142542535
At the very least, he cares about both very much and wants to at least feel what its like to form a real connection with them.
Its anime though, a boy and girl are almost always going to have romantic feelings for each other (implied or overt) if they seem particularly close.
>>142542420
Right is like 2nd best girl after Iroha. One of the major failings of S2 was cutting her scenes.
And the true end is 8man rejecting society entirely by marrying Sensei, who adopts Totsuka as their love child. Sakisaki and Iroha are too proud of themselves to follow 8man out of society by becoming his harem. Yui will take Hayama after he realizes that her acceptance of 8man means she'll accept his true self as well. Yukinon kills herself to finally escape from her sister's web, but she was just trying to help the entire time and consoles herself by becoming a mistress of 8man.
>>142542535
Honestly I think this is why I love the Iroha and 8man scenes so much. She probably likes him after a bit, but in her own way she had only ever treated him genuinely.
>>142542769
Yeah, I'm just prone to wishful thinking when it comes to anime stories. I was genuinely shocked when the dude in Oreimo got with his sister.
>>142542797
Bro, don't even get me started on Iroha.
>>142542562
>>142542682
I have a thing for frail/flawed characters.Doesn't help either that my ex had Depression/OCD/Family ProblemsThis series also helped me a lot when S1 aired.
/blog
>>142542533
Okay, that makes sense, but if Yui is the emotional center of the club, it might have made more sense for her to be the genuine girl instead of Yukino. Honesty is more in line with emotions than logic, so making her the un-genuine girl seems, to me at least, to be a mistake. If the un-genuine girl represents emotions, which coincide with being genuine in this story, then is genuine all it's chalked up to be? Also, I agree that making her like 8man was a mistake.
>Still no new Volume
What the fuck is Watari doing? I hope he's preparing a few OVAs also to end this shit.
>>142542633
>I don't see an end where he learns a lot and is able to move forward in life depressing at all. A tacked on friendship end is just as bad as a tacked on romance end in my book and would depress me more.
I don't either but it'd be one hell of a thing for a light novel to not only reject any one romantic ending, but not even leave open the possibility for it either.
>>142542713
Naw, cuz he called out Yui for doing that to Yukino in Volume 11; trying to force her to make a decision when she clearly isn't comfortable with it. He wants to things to progress naturally and not feel like all three of them need to force something.
Both girls suddenly pressuring him would be severely dickish of both them.
>>142542598
They will learn its value by overcoming something like this. Remember Hayama's group and how their friendships would be ruined over romance. They are also considered the non-genuine group. Having the service club deal with romance openly but not break up their relationships would be extraordinary.
>>142542713
I doubt either will confess. I am not big on romance though.
All the side material recently has been shoving romance left and right so it makes me think that either WW is going all out with it or is baiting waifufags.
>>142542533
>>142542920
I think her crush on 8man wasn't inherently bad. It could've been played as character development as she slowly got over her crush for him. Would've been better than what we got.
>>142542928
Seems like he had writer's block, he has been focusing more on Qualidea and Girlish Number too.
Check out his twitter, he started writing vol 12 like 1 week ago.
>>142542928
Apparently he's just getting to it now. But the Qualidea anime is going to start in the summer too iirc, so who knows if that will delay him more. I legitimately want it to be over.
>>142542920
Yukino is emotional herself she just is terrible with that side of her.
>>142543021
>but not even leave open the possibility for it either.
It would be more meaningful though.
>>142542797
Saki is a miracle, even if I want to cuddle with Yukino's twin with bleached hair and larger boobs more. Also Iroha is best girl after Sensei
>>142542152
>>142542878
Naw man, get started, we can praise her together or something.
I hate to say that my favorite part of the series was something other than the double date of doom, but the date with Iroha side story might be my favorite part of the series. At least he has a reason to not pursue the most genuine girl since she maintains her "liking Hayama" facade, because otherwise it would make way too little sense that he wouldn't pursue her.
>>142542892
Learn the lesson that 3D is trying to teach you, broken girls are worthless. Somewhere around the corner there is a cake that needs to be married finally, several normal girls, a saintly trap, a few abnormal girls, and a little sister.
>>142543143
Iroha is best girl, Sensei has graduated to being a woman.
>>142543036
Yeah, maybe she could have realized that the 8man she had a crush on was just an image of him, an expectation, if you will, that she had. And over the course of her membership, she breaks the image she has of 8man, and her crush on that image as well. This would coincide with the breaking of her own image that she built up around others, and by the end, we would have a much better Yui. Furthermore, this development goes with the title, rather than the reader seeing how the girl falls in love with the guy over the course of the story, he sees how the girl gets over the guy in the same timeframe.
>>142543110
>It would be more meaningful though.
I would honestly give the author props for doing that, even if it would leave a bittersweet taste in my mouth.
>>142543250
Mang, if only the hero wasn't destined to end up with the traditional Japanese beauty trope.
>>142543088
So what's the difference between Qualidea Code and Qualidea of Scum and a Gold Coin?
>>142543225
That can't be 8man. If he went to college like that, he'd be tied to a post and fucked to death.
>>142543306
To add on to this, she would not only get to know the "real" 8man, but in the process, get to know the "real" Yui as well.
Fuck, Oregairu could have been a really good coming of age story in its second act rather than the melodrama it turned out to be.
>>142543371
Fuck if I know. All I know is that the one that's going to air is the one that Watari helped write, and that's Qualidea Code.
>>142543306
That would have been much better. What WW did was make her fall deeper and deeper for him for no real good reason and she is only going to get crushed as evidenced by her winning the AU.
>>142543423
I would have enjoyed that. Her feelings have been a barrier between them and they could have been closer without it.
>We will never see Komachi like this.
>>142543250
>Iroha side story
That volume was gold, the date, the atmosphere between 8man and Hayato, the sunset scene, the club photo.
It was pure SoL and I loved every single moment of it.
>>142542928
He's setting himself up to really fuck up this ending, isn't he? And then when he comes up with a better one all those years later, no one would care anymore.
>>142543371
Multimedia project, same universe and shit.
>>142543528
At least there's the Fanfiction on ff.net and the Doujins on exhentai (I do wish there were more Sensei X 8man Doujins though)
>>142543306
>>142543423
Yeah dude, it's really painful to think about how good this stuff could have been. I mean, a lot of the stuff we're talking about like Hikigaya rejecting relationships has the potential to be cloying and awkward as well, but it just feels right. The characters are so well-defined that it feels like you can follow the direction their arcs should have gone in instead of where they ended up going.
>>142543516
Wrong pic.
>>142543528
Yeah. In all honesty I don't think he'll make a good ending with proper closure.
>>142543528
He can take as much time as he wants.
Do you want him to pull a Haganai on us?
>>142543567
>reading fanfiction.
>>142543665
Yes, and?
>>142543423
It's really kind of amazing how it went from an amusing comedic series with fucked up characters to a brush with nihilism focused on human relationships...and now is poised to be haremshit with forced drama.
The Christmas arc might actually be the best place to consider it ending depending on what we get from the resolution of what's been going on since then. The science/arts decision-marathon was a nice addition that showed the outcome of what had been established by the resolution of the christmas arc, but I think it's mostly filler in that context.
>>142543574
>The characters are so well-defined that it feels like you can follow the direction their arcs should have gone in instead of where they ended up going.
Not only that, the themes of the series are so well explored (at least in the LN) that those other possibilities even seem to be better aligned with the overall message.
>>142543646
He can always write a After Story or just SSs.
Just look at S&W
>>142543561
Qualidea Code sounds like some boring shit
>>142543574
>Haruno as Joker.
It just feels...right.
Anyway, its too early to say where things are headed since the story is kind of in limbo right now. For all we know, Hachiman could actually reject both girls in the end.
>>142543665
I just use the premises they come up with as a template for my own fantasies, and that's usually how I can ignore the highly variable quality of writing. Call it autistic, but it's just something I find fun to do.
>>142543659
No.
Honestly I think he will just go the safe route with a Yukino end with a vague future since most people have resigned themselves to it.
>>142543749
It is, he is collaborating with some shit-tier LN authors.
>>142543819
So basically ANOTHER but with a Yukino end rather than a Yui end?
>>142543695
Man, talking about the missed potential of Oregairu is painful but also cathartic.
How do you feel about Yukino's character? She was the one person that I never felt like I could get a proper read on. I dunno, maybe it's because her family drama seems kinda forced and clunky (which is strange because Hayama's feels natural [maybe it's because of the disproportionate amount of telling and showing involved in Yukino's situation]) and it's one of her defining traits.
>>142543859
Yukino still has some things to deal with like her parents and Haruno.
And we're also missing 8man's request and the Service Club's bet.
>>142543820
Well now that's he done with it (hopefully) he can focus on Yahari
>>142529680
In retrospect it was so much better and had some personality to it so no wonder they changed it cause you know Japan. The art style change probably contributed as much as anything to the 2nd season feeling so dry and flat.
>>142543783
But none of the premises are all that interesting. It's all generic shit. There are some fics that have some of the secondary girls getting the 8 but they're either dead or shit.
>>142543820
Like himself?
>>142529890
Fate does. Saekano is like weekly and for at least a little while longer so is Asterisk. Saekano threads might as well be run by a bot script and you'd get about the same result though.
>>142543977
I was tired of seeing a sunset color everywhere
>>142543861
I get what they were going for with her, but it kind of loses me since its pretty blatantly framed so that Hachiman can "rescue" her from her "oppressive" family.
I like Yukino, but I feel she's kinda hampered by the genre since her character arc is so closely tied to her feelings for Hachiman.
>>142543859
Yeah, the concept of genuine will be explored more but for the most part it will be like that. It will probably be better written and have better exploration of the threes problems.
After ANOTHER does anyone think a Yui end is possible? It makes a Yukino end seem to possible because it only makes sense that if there is a love triangle and two universes, one heroine already won in one universe then it would make sense the other will in the other universe.
I don't think WW is this predictable but there are too many signs that this is the way it will be. 8man is probably better off without both Yui and Yukino but we are supposed to think that he isn't.
>>142543861
Overall, I can't say I don't like her, but her character and issues have been in other anime before; both are more common than the personality of girls like Iroha. But I feel that too much emphasis has been placed on her development; it feels like all the themes and ruminations of the series were laid out in a way such that they lead to thr destined pairing of 8man and Yukino. This is at the cost of the development of every other character, and I feel like that's the main issue with Oregairu in general.
>>142529827
On a site that questionably has real threads and discussions they somehow manage to stand out as the absolute worst. Literally just "your girl a shit" shitposting that'd get your ass banned on any other site for spamming and no content post.
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>>142544054
I think she will solve her own stuff and 8man will be on the sidelines. Vol 11 squashed the idea that 8man will save Yukino.
>the genre since her character arc is so closely tied to her feelings for Hachiman.
It seems to me that her crush on 8man is a side show for her. In ANOTHER she doesn't really do anything about it.
>>142543861
If the cast ever actually came out and said what they were actually bothered by all the time it'd probably be a much shorter and much less popular show because people love their cryptic as fuck dialogue in LN's since it makes you feel smarter for reading it even though I doubt anyone actually knows what the fuck is going on in the show. I never thought I'd be this confused watching a high school dramedy show but like fuck me you'd need a translator and the most skilled student counselor to understand what the cast was on about in most scenes particularly in the second half of season 2.
>>142544006
I mean, I'm a sucker for yanderes, so some of them appeal to me in that regard, plus I tend to turn my brain off and just go along for the ride and try to enjoy it for most of them unless there are problems which really frustrate me. Admittedly, this probably means I have shit taste/am a pleb and all that, but it's a timesink and it makes me happy, so who gives a fuck.
I always knew the Yahari fanbase was in bad shape, but I'm glad everyone is at least admitting that they've never understood anything about the story. Which is quite sad, but part of the blame is also on Watari for assuming that his fanbase would be bright enough to be able to understand subtext and be able to read bodly language and facial expressions. I think this is probably a series where a little bit of extra handholding would have done miracles.
>>142544050
It made the whole thing feel like a soap opera, which amusingly goes along with what the series devolved into.
>>142543861
She's paradoxically the most "difficult" character and the simplest. There really isn't anything to her besides the family drama and her inadequacy complex. She's the character that would most easily be fixed just by stating her feelings clearly, which means she has to be completely unable to ever do that for the tension to continue. Yui has a similar problem with how her desire to win the 8bowl can never be directly manifested because that means either acceptance or rejection, so it takes a backseat to the plot despite being her major motivation.
>>142529519
If this ending doesn't pan out, I think it's the nail in the coffin for WW's writing career cause I don't believe all the other shit he's been focusing on will do well at all. Then he's go back into obscurity, probably doing what 8man dreads the most.
>>142544271
Oh great one, what do us lessers not understand. Please bestow your knowledge on us.
>>142544145
Yea, I'm glad the series is acknowledging Yukino's dependence on him as a bad thing rather than something sweet. Now what they do about remains to be seen.
Its not really a side show though since pretty much her entire arc up until this point is her warming up to him as a friend and then trying to reconcile her growing fondness of him. ANOTHER is focused entirely on Yui, so obviously how Yukino feels wouldn't be very important to that.
>>142544417
Cool. I will, once volume 12 comes out.
IF either of these sluts just stated they liked him we could have gone about with no drama.
>>142544271
I honestly didn't feel like it was that hard to understand, but then again I took sociology and psychology in college, so it kind of made me adept at this kinda thing. ..
>>142544351
POTTERY
>>142544475
>I honestly didn't feel like it was that hard to understand
Considering how there are people literally admitting they don't understand anything, I'm fairly certain you also fall in that category. I'm personally of the opinion that the problem stems from no one understanding season 1, since the most anyone got out of that was apparently "fun alternative romcom".
>>142544471
But muh Hedgehog's dilemma.
>>142544550
Maybe everyone understands a little part of the grand scheme of things concerning the novel, we aren't right but not wrong either.
>>142544465
>it's an "Anon pretends he knows what is going to happen" episode
Your last prediction fell flat.
>>142544430
Whether or not Yukino comes out on top has little to do with whether or not she gets with 8man.
>>142544682
We don't even know if 8man is something Yukino wants.
>>142544550
I ain't saying I'm some psychologist or anything, and I admit I had to rewatch a few scenes and talk about it online to get a better understanding.
Season 1 I feel is a decent introduction and a good way of getting into who the characters are, but the last arc of it kinda foreshadowed it was more than just fun and games.
I do wish Season 2 had a bit more levity in it though because it definitely felt pretty jarring compared to most of Season 1.
>>142544471
I never got why both of them are so unwilling to admit their feelings but still try to be indirectly hint about their existence.
>>142544271
How do you read body language and facial expressions for something that is written as prose for a novel? That doesn't even begin to make any sense
>>142544974
He's talking about the anime too, look at Season 1, the director did a really good work with the eye contact/character posing.
>>142544475
I bloody majored in social sciences and tend to know how to read a room and people in general and I had long stretches where I honestly had no idea what the cast was even upset over and talking about really. I don't think the utter flatness of the presentation, voice acting and premise helped the second season much. It's a shame cause I felt the chemistry in the voice acting was a highlight of the first season but a lowlight of the second one. It's like nobody was getting any direction, but I could also say that for a lot of recent anime dramas
>>142544951
And I don't know why it took them this long to figure out if they had a real friendship. It doesn't take months to figure out if a friendship is real between such a small group, no matter how autistic a person is. And Yui's supposed to be the normalfag for Christ's sake.
>>142545062
The director of the first season was clearly better at his job than whoever did the second season that I'm damn sure of
>>142544794
They cut out the levity. Even during the field trip there were scenes cut and the ramen scene was butchered. The christmas arc had several side interactions with Sakisaki and I want to say even Totsuka, but it has been awhile. The pacing for that arc was vastly different in the LN in my opinion. It felt like a much longer time than it did in the anime, which I really liked as a way to get 8man into essentially an entirely different world with the meetings and Iroha. Taking a break from those two bitches let him get to being himself, which was more or less the answer he reached. If only he had just decided to stay with Iroha.
S1 is a pretty good adaption, S2 is something that shouldn't be watched without having read the LN. Or maybe read the LN afterward to get the better version?
>>142544951
Because then they would have to come to some kind of resolution. Sort of. Not really, but apparently 2D logic is that way. Or maybe it'd be more accurate to say that there seems to be no interest in writing stories that have relationship progression either due to low demand or author weakness.
I don't read this crap, I just watched the show, can someone tell me who is going to win or is most likely going to win? I'm not even going to bother reading the LN.
>>142544951
Well, that depends on which perspective you're looking for an answer from.
In-universe: Because they don't wanna hurt the relationship they all have with each other but they're pretty terrible at hiding their feelings.
Out-universe: relationship drama sells copies.
>>142545137
At this point it's pretty much Yukino or nothing
>>142545077
I blame the Jap society.
>>142545109
The director of season 1 was an episode director on shows like Gintama and Daily Lives of High School Boys and it shows in the presentation and comparative liveliness of things. The 2nd seasons directors most significant resume entry before that was one of the bad Minami-Ke seasons, he doesn't even seem to have a profile pic anywhere and he likely only got the job cause he works out of Feel.
>>142545195
Thank god, she was my favorite girl. Thanks.
>>142545077
Yui and Yukino consider each other friends, pretty early in fact. Yui doesn't want to be 8man's friend. Are you sure you're reading this right? This isn't Haganai.
>>142545114
I'm reading the light novel right now, so that's good to hear. Kinda sad to hear the anime cut out so much.
>>142545137
YREAD THE LN
>>142544660
Sure, everyone understands a little, but I can guarantee you that some of the most important things have gone under everyone's radar. Half of the story has gone lost and then when the series wants you to understand a line like: "I'm not the nice guy you think I am/I'm not the nice girl you think I am" everyone only vaguely understands what is meant with this, because no one has understood the build up. Which is partially Watari's fault for leaving all of the reveals until the very last novel, but also for never having any of the characters literally spell out what they are doing and why they are doing it. Watari wants you to be able to deduce from a character's actions and behavior why they are acting in a certain way. I personally love that, but that's mostly because I actually understand pretty much everything what has been going on in the series. Watari has introduced a lot of hints in the early parts of the series as to what is going on and I think a lot of people have taken all of that for granted and never put more thought into it, which has lead to an entire fanbase not being able to follow the narrative. The other big problem is leaving the series on a cliffhanger for an entire year. By now everyone has forgotten a lot of the finer details of the series, so once volume 12 drops, no one is going to understand anything anyway. Watari simply shouldn't have made the story as vague as he has made it.
But it is what it is, there's no going back now. I will try my best to salvage what I can once volume 12 drops. I only hope that once volume 12 drops everyone will be rational and tolerant enough to read it.
>>142545213
I don't know about other people but I'm starting to get this feeling that feel. might actually be kind of a crappy studio that got really fucking lucky to somehow land the rights to the second Oregairu season right as the franchise was starting to take off with the Light Novels. In retrospect QUALITY issues aside I kind of wish it stayed at Brains Base which on occasion has been known to put out a decent work or two.
>>142545298
Brains Base kind of went batshit bonkers with the fujoshi stuff around 2014. Nowadays they're just kind of another Aniplex/Bamco bitch doing shows like Cheer Boys and nowhere near as good Durarara sequels.
>>142545137
There's no way to tell who is going to win. Yui and Yukinon are both written so that they have perfectly valid character and thematic reasons to win if 8man wants to choose them. Iroha and Sakisaki are side characters, but they are genuine girls that like 8man. They're more genuine than the main girls, so they might have a better claim as victors if you ignore that genre laws side with main girls.
>>142545253
I'd be curious to know some of the things which you think get missed by most people. Because it really isn't any more complicated than you've stated and we've talked it over to death since S1 made it popular here.
>>142545234
They say they're friends, but they don't tell shit about their problems or issues to each other, or at least, we don't know if they did. So are they real friends? It takes the confession of someone not considered a friend in order for them to even think about doing such a thing, and this happens quite a ways into the story. It honestly feels as if they've only been acquaintances the whole time. How has this happened when they're almost always together?
>>142545253
Watarin should host a Q&A after the LN ends, maybe go to an expo, I don't know.
I'd be really happy to know that he really did try to send another message as foreshadowing on the previous volumes but that nobody did really understand until the end
What really makes this series good is the "show, don't tell" narrative, It brings out so much to the discussion. I love it.
>>142545367
>They're more genuine than the main girls
>>142545367
If you can find me a way to contact you in some shape or form, I can give you a sneak peek. Otherwise you'll have to wait just like the rest.
>>142545437
It is implied that they talk about "things" when 8man is not around, don't forget that everything we read is passed through an unreliable filter called Hikigaya Hachiman's POV
>>142545591
8man thinks they are the best friends in the world.
>>142545367
>>142545590
Don't listen to him. He has revealed his shit before and it was shat on by everyone. He doesn't have it figured out. He is also the guy who made the wrong predictions about ANOTHER.
>>142545481
Maybe yes, maybe no.
Imagine if Watari went to that route, maybe it would come to end up just like vol11:
>Saki Kawasaki is a hard-working girl, that is what I decided to think about her.
>Iroha Isshiki is a kind but sly girl, that is what I idealized about her.
>>142545760
Volume 12 it is then.
>>142545871
Okay, I am not saying you are wrong on a points but I don't agree with your conclusion. Yes we should consider the origins of the story more than we do but since vol 3 and 5 we have moved passed it.
>tfw so few Doujins featuring sensei on Exhentai and only two of them have been translated.
>>142545760
Eh, I stopped following the series after S2/10.5 because I hate waiting for releases. I don't know what's been said by anyone since then and I actually have no clue what ANOTHER is. So I have no basis for deciding whether his predictions were wrong because they were poor or if ANOTHER was a hackjob.
>>142545975
Sensei isn't for lewd thoughts, Sensei is for marrying.
>>142546202
True, but really it's why I'm having lewd thoughts about sensei that I want to marry her.
>>142546178
>I actually have no clue what ANOTHER is
AU where Yui wins and Yukino swallows her feelings for 8man but does that annoying thing where she is sad but not saying anything of worth.
He was wrong on the front that he kept saying that 8man would reject Yui.
>hackjob
It wasn't that good.
>>142546249
But wanting to marry her is already the lewdest thought one can have, which is also why there are so few doujins. They would just be POV wedding ceremonies with Sensei, and such things would only wind up being cursed artifacts that drive men to suicide.
>>142546290
Isn't that basically saying he called the wrong side of the coin for which heroine was shoehorned to victory? It's the same way with the main series, Yui and Yukinon are both completely valid as predictions until the author decides which one gets sabotaged.
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Does anyone have a collage of the sticker progression?
>>142546360
Nah, marriage ceremony and hot and steamy sex on the wedding night
>>142541985
That's a point that's always bugged me about the romance developments in Oregairu. It almost feels rigged ala in Shakugan no Shana.
when she doesnt and she does
>>142548063
Yui has had some romantic development. In fact she had the lion's share for vol 1 to 7. 8man seems to like her on some level.
How hard will Haruno tease Yukino is she finds out Yukino likes 8man romantically>?
>>142548402
To the point that I'm surprised the author managed to write a poor AU Yui end when all it really would have taken is an alternate end to the festival arc where Yui just goes up to 8man afterward and says, "Thanks, we couldn't have done it without you. Want to ditch these losers and get some ramen, as a date, because I like you?"
He might refuse dating a few times, but persuasion by honest feelings is the exact thing he is looking for. Pretty much any of the girls that would seriously go after could have him just by being persistent and explaining herself to him. Iroha's one step away and may not even actually care that much. Sakisaki would win in an instant if she weren't the shyest creature in existence. Totsuka has already won to the point that 8man fantasizes about him.
>>142548733
However much is necessary for Yukino to somehow win the 8man. She is an evil mastermind trying to set Yukino up to be fixed by him.
>>142548840
8man would twist a girl's words into something they aren't to keep his delusions. 8man needed to be vol 9 8man or above.
PS: Is it true Sensei and Haruno drop 8man when he enters Yui's route?
I am not only fully prepared for but am actually expecting Vol 12 to suck desu
>>142548932
Dunno, just heard about ANOTHER in this thread. I'd assume Haruno would, and I could see Sensei backing off if he chooses to pursue his own happiness despite a bit of disgust at his abandoning Yukino.
8man only had to retreat into his delusions so hard because those two bitches kept being insincere with him. It might have taken another arc's worth of development, but anyone could have gotten close to him just by being genuine. Yui had basically done it until the plot called for her to stop trying and become a dramatic idiot. Iroha basically does it in just one volume. Totsuka rules his dreams and Sensei would claim him if he makes it through high school without finding a girl. That's why most of the side characters have better chemistry with him than Yui/Yukinon, because they aren't crippled by the plot to stop advancement.
>>142549483
You really do not understand what genuine is. Also it's Hachiman that started acting insincere, not the other way around.
>>142549550
You really know a fanbase is a lost cause when they somehow come to the conclusion that Iroha of all people is genuine.
>>142548402
Which honestly just comes across as 8man being more afraid than attracted to her sometimes.
>>142548840
Sensei just about disappears for ANOTHER so no comments about that. ANOTHER just makes it clearer Haruno is just using 8man to get Yukino to act. If Yukino is fine, then her interest in 8man naturally disappears.
>>142549595
>If Yukino is fine
Yup. She is perfectly fine in ANOTHER.
>>142549587
Hayama even comes out to confirm that she shows her true self to 8man. Meanwhile Yukino wrecks the entire election because she can't be honest with herself or 8man. That's the catalyst for him taking the christmas planning upon himself as well. He starts acting insincere because that is the reciprocation he gives to the rest of the world.
>>142549632
Not perfectly, by any stretch. Yukino would crumble to pieces if Yuki-mom shows up again but her current self is well enough to get acknowledged by Haruno in their final scene. Most of all she's thinking about what she can do, instead of looking to others to tell her what to do.
>>142549754
No. Hachiman and Yui wanted to pretend like nothing was amiss and push a superficial relationship further. That's why Yukino goes along with them, she believes that's what the two of them want. From that moment, Hachiman starts lying to both Yukino and Yui. Yui retracts her hand from her cellphone, because she is fine with a lie. All she cares about is them being able to act like normal. She is fine with Hachiman lying to and deceiving both of them.
>>142549798
She did handle it pretty well and her lack of dependence on 8man is a good sign. But Yukino's development in ANOTHER's universe with 8man/Yui is over and it isn't all that positive. The recipes were after that scene for a reason.
But to be honest I think the worst of it is that she lost out on a simple crush but I can't but think she might distance herself from people who care about her more.
>>142549798
You need to take into consideration that Yukino doesn't go with the liberal arts in ANOTHER, so there's no need for Yukimom to confront her about that.
My curiosity is piqued and I want to get into this series. Do most people just watch the anime or do they read the LN's too? I'm just wondering the whole best experience and whatnot.
>>142549901
Wait a couple of months until the last part of the series comes out before you get invested. Then you won't have to be in purgatory like the rest of us.
>>142549933
How long has purgatory been so far?
IROHASU~~
>>142549950
Almost an entire year. The series ends on a cliffhanger. Just wait a couple of months, it shouldn't be too long until we get the conclusion.
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>>142527736
So how wet?
I didn't really like Yui. She's trying way too hard to fit in and is full of insecurities.
What kind of personality has she even
Yukino has her inferiority complex but at least she seems to have a personality at least.
Liked genki extrovert imouto the most. But that's just my love for that archetype
I want to be her bf
