Was the Aias one of his projections or was it an original?
>>142354735
>archer
>original
Wasn't Archer only able to project swords? If he needed another tool he usually do a two-step process to make one, which involves modifying a sword into something else.
>>142354879
No, he can trace anything, but if it's not a sword it will take him more time/mana and will be less effective.
>>142354879
>>142354735
Google works wonders my friend. It's how I learned about Aias.
>>142354735
Give one thing original about EMIYA.You can't.
>>142354978
His clothes.
>>142354978
bakuya and kanshou
>>142354978
His fighting style.
>>142354978
His cooking.
>>142355017
Those are copies too, Gan Jiang and Mo Ye.
>>142354978
His maximum butthurt because his younger self had a threesome with Rin and Seiba.
>>142355047
He's the first one to have developed a style for using them, though.
>>142354917
no he can't trace "anything" he can only trace melee weapons and some degraded shields
>>142355002
A present from Ciel.
>>142355167
>he can only trace melee weapons
he literally traced a bow
>>142354978
His sexiness. Can't trace that.
Name one servant that had a cooler summoning than Archer.
>>142355175
when did they meet?
>>142356528
They're both Counter Guardians
>>142355384
he stole gil's hairdo.
Isn't Archer get real Aias while being alive?
>>142354978
>>142357869
He saw a piece of the original shield.
The shield Archer recreates is conceptual shield based on the shard of the physical shield.
>>142354978
Name one thing original about Fate at all.You can't
>>142356543
ciel a counter guardian? what?
>>142359552
Penis worms?
>>142360653
>implying Nasu wasn't just inspired by nature
>Priapulida is a phylum of marine worms. The name of the phylum relates to the Greek god of fertility, because their general shape and their extensible spiny introvert may recall the shape of a penis.
>>142354978
Is his bow original?
>>142354978
Main theme
>>142355167
Jesus, mate. Read it up.
>>142354735
Projection
>>142355167
Have you even looked in his shed?
>>142355167
He can trace anything that isn't a divine construct. As long as he understand to structure and the materials needed are earthly, he can do it.
If Kerry never fucked up Shirou's circuits do you think he could have reached a point he could trace without rank loss, or even possibly rank upgrade?
>>142361513
If Kerry actually gave him his crest, would he be stronger?
>>142356528
probably on a hunt for Dead Apostles
>>142361756
Thought crests could only go to blood relatives, which is why Sakura had to go the penis worm route to become a Matou
>>142361756
no. the only thing Shirou has for himself is his Reality Marble and strengthening magic.
Getting knowledge about "Innate Time Control" would do him jackshit.
>>142361513
Shirou didn't fucked up his circuits, he juist didn't use them. Kerry teached him how to turn his nerves into makeshift magic circuits. Anyway more mana and better circuits won't take "rank down" away. It's UBW limitation
>>142361328
he can project anything but they will be "hollow shells" like the items he created in the epilogue.
swords and weapons affiliated with melee combat are the only things he can truly "copy", due to his Origin being "sword".
>>142362174
They have "nothing inside", but it doesn't matter for most items that only need a physical form to work. If he projects a blanket, it's still soft, has mass, and insulates. If he projects a bow, it still launches arrows. If he projects a fishing rod, it still reels fish in.
It's implied where he messes up is delicate machinery (that he can't understand instantly) and magical bullshit (that's not swords).
>>142361756
Shirou has no capacity to use the Emiya family magecraft due to elemental disaffinity and his circuits being huge pieces of shit that can only perform UBW.
>>142361513
Unlikely, the rank down is because Shirou himself cannot 100% process all of what makes a Noble Phantasm a Noble Phantasm. He would need a path to the Root like Void Shiki in order to understand every Mystery he sees.
>>142354978
> his own custom made bow
> his own archery skills
> his own sword style
> Crane Wing Three Realm
>>142361921
Considering whole thing about NP vs DA and how they suck balls against them if not used by true owners, it's more likely she saved him from them.
>>142362974
Narita should stop with the DA wankery desu
also, I think that applies only if a human uses its passive ability.
I very much doubt that your normal DA could survive a Broken Phantasm to the face.
>>142365058
It say that they deny the power of noble phantasms. Dude activated his spear NP and charged at Jester but he stopped and destroyed it with one finger. It looks that DAs are like imagine breaker to human-used NPs. Broken Phantasm damage should be reduced too.
??
>>142366077
Who is Jester?
>>142366351
Wrong thread, fuck off
>>142366875
He's DA who is Assassin Master in Fate/strange fake.
>>142366077
that's just ridiculous
Enforcers and Executors with Black Keys can hurt them, but they'd lolnope Noble Phantasms like Fragarach or Gae Bolg under any circumstances, when it is wielded by a human?
fuckin Narita...
>>142367338
Aren't Black Keys enchanted so they're deadlier to DA's and the like?
>>142367338
Black Keys are anti-DA weapons, so of course they work on them.
>>142359552
>>142354978
Gilgamesh pls
>>142367614
Black Keys are low-tier conceptual weapons
NPs are top-tier
by the same logic Enforcers shouldn't be capable of harming them with magecraft because "muh denial of human history"
>>142368138
Magic is not something that only humans can use, in fact most famous DAs are mages.
>>142368138
I think you don't know what Np is. It's not just powerful magic item
>Noble Phantasm [Armament]
>Noble Phantasm. The armaments carried by Heroic Spirits, made from humanity's illusions. Though they generally come in the form of things like swords, spears, or bows, there are also those Heroic Spirits whose Noble Phantasms are auxiliary armaments like shields, rings, or crowns.
Gae Bolg before it become famous wasn't NP, it was just magical spear and would work on DA. It's because NP are "humanity's illusions" DA can deny them
>>142355167
He can only "Practically" trace swords. This is why he quite literally can discard normally rather mana intensive projected swords as disposable
When a sword can't past muster, he can trace other tools or weapons at a much greater mana cost. He typically tries to cheat to escape that limitation, like firing a specialized sword from a bow with minimal enchantment.
But when nothing else will do, like in the case of Rho Aias, he just has to bite the bullet and trace it at full cost.
>>142362174
But in Fate Stay night route he trace Caliburn and even as fake, it proves very powerful.
In UBW also he said to have copied Excalibur and Shirou use it in HF sacrificing himself.
They do not seem just "hollow shells", but simple copies with less power, but still powerful enough
>>142369475
I wasn't talking about divine artifacts. I was talking about "everything else", like pots and kettles.
also, HF Shirou using Excalibur might be an outliner, because Nasu later specifically states that he can't trace it under normal circumstances.
there's a fanon theory that he could pull it through because the one at the end was just a cheap third rate knock off.
>>142368711
>He can only "Practically" trace swords
I think he can do it even with their spears
>>142369626
>"everything else", like pots and kettles.
yeah, sorry I did not understand.
>>142368522
I see now.
but shouldn't the same rule apply to Heroic Spirits as well, then?
I mean they're pretty much the embodiement of humanity's fables and legends.
especially if said one is a Counter Guardian, who is "employed" by the collective consciousness of humanity.
>>142369901
Counter Guardians = Gaia, not humanity.
>>142369649
it applies to everything that's affiliated with pointed weapons and shields
>>142362174
>his origin isn't "fake"
Completely fucking retarded Nasu, there's no hiding he's just Tomoe Enjou 2.0, why give him this bullshit origin
>>142369901
Don't know. Maybe because they sentient they don't allow to be denied. Cogito ergo sum or some shit. Better to ask Nasu
>>142370039
eh, no
The Counter Force is Alaya's first and last resort to prevent the eradication of humantiy.
Gaia gives no shit about humanity.
>>142354978
Unlimited Blade Works.
>>142369626
It's a retcon, Nasu likes to do that
>>142361921
Did Archer and Cielfuck?
>>142370499
UBW's narrative mentioned that he had a woman he lost.
whether it was referring to Ciel it's up to debate
