Why is one considered well written and the other considered badly written?
>>142265974
Because one is a comedy and the other isn't.
>>142266059
Close, one is an intentional comedy and the other unintentional (though the imagery of Onii-chan descending like an angel almost makes me want to doubt this).
>>142265974
Tatsuya is a great character faggot. Read the novel. No one ever said that Sakamoto is well written.>>142265974
>>142265974
Because normal Japanese call this guy in mind when they hear Sakamoto desuga.
>>142265974
Sakamoto doesn't take itself seriously.
Chronicles of Tatsuya-onii-sama does.
>>142265974
Because the bottom one takes itself seriously. I'll never understand why there's some people that can't see that. Is it due to them being unintelligent or a simple lack of experience?
>>142266088
It's Onii-sama for you, you fuck.
>>142266197
My deepest apologies, I hope Onii-sama (PBUH) can forgive me.
>>142265974
Which one ?
None of your pics are well written, both of them are comedy.
>>142266119
>Read the novel
>>142265974
>top is Jesus christ superstar
>bottom is just Jesus
Both are similar with different twist.
>>142265974
Sakamoto is for all intents Droopy Poodle. The premise of the show is people, generally assholes, trying to be dicks and comedy is derived from their plans being foiled either by circumstance, their own hubris or their intended target being a a step ahead
>>142266119
I enjoy Onii-sama's antics as much as the next guy, but come on now.
>>142266059
>ironic shitposting still counts as shitposting
>but being an ironic gary stu story magically gives you a pass
>>142266331
>>but being an ironic gary stu story magically gives you a pass
Yes?
>>142265974
Weirdly Sakamoto comes off as more arrogant. The weirder thing is I didn't get that impression of him when I first read the Aanga, it's just something about how he's despicted in the Anime.
>>142266387
>Weirdly Sakamoto comes off as more arrogant
So I'm not the only one
>>142266387
It's not that he's arrogant, but that he doesn't give a fuck.
He doesn't feel the need to help every little faggot unless it directly interferes with him being fabulous.
>>142266578
He helped fatass out pretty spontaneously, multiple times
>>142265974
No you DIDNT just compare these two. Are you fucking retarded?
>>142266218
>>142266607
The first time he walked away on him being beat up.
After which they became what you would call friends so it's only natural he would help his fat ass then.
>>142266738
he drove him to stand up for himself. It's one thing to shoo a bully away but they're just gonna come back until farry learned to fight back.
>>142265974
fucking sister fucking fucktard
>>142266218
This is as amusing as it is disturbing
>>142265974
>>142266331
Please be bait. You're not THAT stupid right?
>>142265974
Neither are well written. Fuck off retard.
>>142265974
Sakamoto is forced hype that failed. No need to talk about it.
>>142265974
Proof that people here don't know what it means when they say a show is 'well written'.
>>142266119
it's either a joke or you have a shit taste
>>142266289
>>142265974
Parody v. Nip power fantasy where onii-sama has to be the best at everything while nuking chinks and having his imouto suck his D non-stop. Sakamoto has no forced incest.
>>142265974
Is Sakamoto some writer's view of themself or more what they wanted to be like in high school?
Like they wanted to imagine themselves as being cool and reacting like that in certain ways. That would explain a lot of things he does.
>>142266059
>mahouka
>not a comedy
It's 10x funnier than sakamoto anon.
I though sakamoto being so stylish was part of the joke.
He's unrealistic and those dumb adventures are lame but cool to watch.
Little lessons here and there.
This nigga makes shooing a bee look like entertaining.
You guys look into it too much
>>142268614
A thousand times this.
There are actually intrinsic differences between Tats and Sakamoto.
One does things to impress his onee-san, the other does things to impress everyone.
One is impartial to NOTHING, the other is impartial to only things he finds interesting.
One is on a fucking mission, and is in multiple wars, and it's widly known that you become desensitized to death, blood, gore, etc etc - after enough time spent in a warzone - the other is a post-pubescent "cool" highschooler who stylizes everything.
One (tats) has emerging emotions and feelings throughout, by tries to learn to get closer to people through mutual understanding (read the novel), the other (moto) has emerging emotions AGAINST people throughout, and tries his hardest to steer clear of drama.
I mean, they both seemingly have unlimited skill set in a limited world, they're both shown to have very good reaction speeds, and can make the best out of any bad situation.
The difference between their creativity is, if they both met and had a confrontation, tats (jesus-kun) would win, however, sakamoto would lose stylishly, and embarrass tats in the process.
>>142268472
I would assume its an exaggeration of that "cool kid" in school.
>>142271072
Beautifully worded, but you're a fucking autist, holy christ. Only an autist would take time out of their day to compare and contrast things at that level.
>>142271160
(PBUTA)
>>142271072
Your post reminds me of the CCC-fag. Are you him?
>>142266387
Really? I got the impression that Sakamoto is ridiculously humble from the anime.
>>142266331
>doesn't know the difference between comedy and parody
Post Onii-sama webms
>>142271072
Fucking autist I swear
>>142271271
Negative. And even if I was, I surely wouldn't expose myself here and now.
>>142271072
>by
Meant to type and, not by.
>>142271202
Peace be upon the autist?
Post likeable gary stus.
>>142271072
>if they both met and had a confrontation, tats (jesus-kun) would win, however, sakamoto would lose stylishly, and embarrass tats in the process.
Sums it up pretty well.
>>142271475
>>142266218
>>142271202
I actually laughed, hard. It's been years since I've laughed at anything on /a/.
>>142271072
>One (tats) has emerging emotions and feelings throughout, by tries to learn to get closer to people through mutual understanding (read the novel), the other (moto) has emerging emotions AGAINST people throughout, and tries his hardest to steer clear of drama.
This is so fucking true. Whenever drama does unfold, they both have different ideological methods. One helps people directly, the other helps people help THEMSELVES.
>>142271271
I remember that faggot. He's been around so fucking long.
Didn't he used to use a different trip though? Something stupid and fancy looking?
>>142266059
This, but fortunately Onii-sama's show ends up being an unintentional comedy and thus watchable.
I miss livewatching pic related, it was hilarious.
When mentioning Tatsuya, remember to throw salt over your left shoulder and pray to the west for a S2. Jesus-kun will return and preform the sasuga keikaku to lift us all up into the 2D heavens.
>>142271758
The Gary Stu power hour was just next level
>>142271758
Yeah but Mahouka Rettousei had the better threads of the two. They were full of actually funny /a/ only jokes and cancerous, yet, hilarious shitposting, GET's attempts, and JESUS-KUN references.
We haven't had an anime, no, a thread like that since maybe...Overlord? That's about as close as it gets.
>>142271954
Mayoiga has similar threads, or at least it HAD similar threads until the show turned out to be a boring non-hilarious disappointment.
>>142271986
>until the show turned out to be a boring non-hilarious disappointment.
I don't know what people were honestly expecting. Mayoiga hasn't really dipped in quality, other than failing to kill off characters quickly enough.
>>142272037
>other than failing to kill off characters
Which is the problem. People expected another another but instead we got too much talking and almost no deaths.
Average Japanese males
>>142272200
THIS. This was the goddamn opus of all tatsuya threads.
Goddamn those were glorious threads. I laughed even just reminiscing about it for fuck sakes.
>>142265974
One is a fun comedy show while the other is typical borefest fantasy anime #23217
>>142267167
Your reply seems very forced
>>142267167
>forced hype that failed.
That's Kiznaiver.
Sakamoto was being hyped up by fans, which is the opposite of 'forced hype'. Meanwhile, Trigger released a huge promo episode 0 for Kiznaiver proclaiming it to be the next Kill la Kill and it turned out to be a boring ill-conceived character-based drama with some incredibly unlikeable characters.
>>142272200
nice
>>142272255
>Goddamn those were glorious threads. I laughed even just reminiscing about it for fuck sakes.
The threads were better than the series desu.
>>142272469
t. retard with ADHD who can't watch anything without action
>>142272844
>retard with ADHD who can't watch anything without action
You couldn't have failed harder. Flying Witch is one of my favourites this season.
>>142272882
Well, your post was written like you were angry it wasn't like KlK, and it was a character drama rather than an over the top action show. So sorry for the misunderstanding
>>142273011
>your post was written like you were angry it wasn't like KlK, and it was a character drama rather than an over the top action show
In my defence, it was literally being hyped as the next KlK by the studio that made it.
Having said that, it's still not even a good drama series. It has the potential to finish strongly, but I'm starting to doubt it'll even manage to do that. There's a serious chance it'll have a 'friendship ending' and I can only hope it doesn't for the sake of everyone else still watching.
>>142265974
One has sexy jazz, the other doesn't.
One is in a "i'm doing it ironically so it's funny xD" show and the other one is taking itself incredibly seriously. Tatsuya wins hands down.
>>142274623
>One is in a "i'm doing it ironically so it's funny xD" show and the other one is taking itself incredibly seriously, but people are "taking it ironically so it's funny xD" .
Ftfy
>>142274734
Is there any other way to take Mahouka? That doesn't end in brain damage
>>142275374
Think of it as a strange power fantasy. Tatsuya is very much alike a "I'm not a mary sue because I can't sew or cook well" in a situation where domestic skills have no relevance. Despite there being a theme about underdogs, Tatsuya is far from an underdog. The writer apparently doesn't like characters starting weak & developing stronger thus he spawned Tastuya in as an already endgame level character. His starting character is already at max level. Think of it as a D&D game gone wrong with the DM bringing his edgy younger brother in & wanking said brother's character.
>>142275480
>starting character is already at max level
Best type of MC
>>142275480
I'd say is the same as "taking it ironically so it's funny xD", but somehow it seems a different kind of trainwreck that way
>>142275640
It's a trainwreck nonetheless. You know how Mahouka portrays China? A Chinese man would be offended, exactly why there's a bit of a following for Mahouka in China. They treat Mahouka the same way someone'd treat The Room, My Immortal, Dark Yagami, etc. Don't take it seriously, just laugh at the ridiculousness. How else will we get enjoyment?
>>142275743
I know very well that, I read till that flashback volume where he nukes the chinese again, except it was chronologically the first time before bt took it down. I was literally fueled by rage and now I have less patience for bad writing due to that
>>142271072
>One does things to impress his onee-san
Protip: Onee-san means older sister, not simply sister. Now in fairness, I have not seen the series or read the LNs, but I was under the impression he had an imouto, not an onee-san. Though if he also has an onee-san, I withdraw my lesson in Nipponese.
>>142272844
I like some of the characters in Kiznaiver but come on lets be honest, it's shit.
Not to say Sakamoto isn't shit either, it could have been so much more.
Gary Stu characters are enjoyable if done correctly and don't they come off as a fucking asshole.
Tatsuya does it right, He knows how fucking powerful he is but he doesn't flash it about he's calm and keeps himself to himself.
>>142265974
Easy.
One is made my a teenager who writes "Light Novels"
The other is a respected grown man who writes Manga.
>>142275953
>Tatsuya does it right
He does the underdog theme of the series wrong. He's disowned for not used "proper" magic but his other abilities are so overpowered, it's irrelevant. This is like being unable to run at a 100m dash but given a vehicle to use as compensation.
Sakamoto is that weird guy who is so 200% into something that this normal something turns fucking awesome, it's the intrusion of the overly epic in a normal setting.
Tatsuya is the most epic character -by a couple of miles- in a show with epic dimensions and where being more epic than the next guy is not only good, but the goal. He is so much better than everyone else without even freaking trying that it becomes hilarious.
So one is hilarious because he singlehandedly brings epic in his setting, the other is hilarious because he is so ridiculously better than everyone else.
So yeah, what everyone has been saying in this thread, pretty much.
>>142275953
Is Kenshiro a good character?
>>142276054
>weird guy who is so 200% into something that this normal something turns fucking awesome
Reminds me of when I read through Medaka Box.
>>142275953
He does it wrong, or rather, the author does it wrong when he has every other character sucking his dick and puts everything he can think of as part of his backstory. Also, there is being calm and there is having the personality of a brick. Him being slighty better than the usual MC only speaks about how shitty they are
Mahouka would be more funny without that garbage sister.
Sakamoto is garbage and not in the same tier as cromartie
>>142276004
Isn't Mahouka's author an old guy?
This is the only stu done right.
>>142276305
>Kazuma
>stu
I know you are too young to know what the term means but still
>>142276305
>implying
>>142276389
Stu's don't get killed off by mento's
>>142276443
Even the original Mary Sue from "A Trekkie's Tale" ended up dead in the end. In hindsight, said Sue is considerably lax by our standards. No Ebony Darkness Dementia Raven Way name, no overly overpowered abilities, etc.
>>142276364
Tell me in what way he is not a gary stu, he has it all.
>>142276305
Not quite, Paisen
>>142271072
Yeah both are shit characters made for self inserting and escapism.
No need to project on empty shells
>>142276579
Being overpowered is not the same as being a stu. Kazuma isn't presented as being right all the time. In fact, it's often shown that he is too ruthless and gets away with his jerkassery due to people being afraid of his power, not because they adore him
>>142276305
That's not Chirico.
>>142276027
that pissed me off the most about the show. In the first episode there was the theme of institutionalized discrimination of people not capable of magic. And they just fucking dropped the theme that could drive a story about struggle and went with "180-noscopes chinese terrorist through 3 walls" instead. Fucking waste of potential.
>>142278029
that was a pretty badass scene
>dropped the theme that could drive a story about struggle
good
>>142278142
Badly worded, true.
It wanted to be a mix of action and drama, those kind of stories are driven by some sort of conflict. Inner conflict, conflicts with other forces, whatever.
But with Onii-samas tendency to solve problems 5 minutes before they could become a problem takes away any sense of urgency and makes the 'conflict' irrelevant. What's left is just a shell of a story with hints what could have been an engaging story.
>>142276027
He's not disowned for those reasons. In fact he's not even disowned in the first place. They're deathly afraid of him and don't want him becoming a central figure in the clan.
>>142278029
Did you somehow miss the memo about Tatsuya not giving many fucks about much of that? He says that if he didn't have his abilities he too might fall into that endless pit of self contempt and blaming others. He believes that the weeds and egalite were blowing things way out of proportion. To begin with Mahouka is a story about a character whose abilities cannot be measured in the current educational system. The system quite literally fails him, but he does make the most out of the situation and rises above his preconceived limitations.
>>142279144
When the system fails you, it doesn't matter how few fucks you give, you run into limits because of the system. Easiest in the context of the show would be him actually meeting some more resistance than one guy being grumpy, but not doing anything, when he joins the tier1 students in their student council security force.
Then why even bother with this 2-tier society? That's world building that has little impact on the story.
"To emphasize how the system failed him" is a crap argument, because the story also ignores any implication this system has on the other tier-2 students, especially those who befriend him. "Oh, so you're friends with MC? That means you have a free pass"
>he too might fall into that endless pit of self contempt and blaming others
He too, because there were so many of characters who did that beyond episode 1? That's actually making it worse. It's the producers saying "Remember the world building we hinted? Just a reminder we won't spend any time on that besides this one line"
>>142278591
Pretty much, there is no story to tell without conflict or urgency. Onii-sama wins, the route he takes to get there is irrelevant because the outcome has already been decided.
>>142279628
Have you ever considered that certain things had to be dropped in order to fit the adaption of mahouka into 26 episodes?
>>142279810
Well it pretty much seemed like the dropped elements were all from the "this might make this interesting", while there is the posibility of variation. When you drop something that would affect the characters' daily life you don't let bits and hints of it behind causing the exact complaints I had.
Another option worthy of consideration would be adopting less of the source material in the first season.
Last but not least they also could have gone for 3 cour.
All worth consideration, but they went with the one that leaves most loose ends and effectively cripples the story and the world it's set in.
>>142280045
It dropped everything that was not strictly necessary in the story and all monologues.
>>142272798
Agreed.
>>142265974
Because Sakamoto doesn't genocide the chinks, so he's badly written. Onii-sama on the other hand is the hero we need.
onii-sama is the coolestest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8d3bW42aFY
>>142275919
Good catching that. I forgot for a moment there, it's Imouto, not Onee-san.The fact that nobody else said anything means people were simply thinking about the implications of what I was saying, and were simply filling in the gaps using their own thoughts or logic, you, on the other hand, actually read and considered every word.It's nice to see people actually do still fucking pay attention. It's attention like that, that separates /a/ from all the other shit boards (not that I'd know about any other boards except /g/, /jp/ and /pol/)
Spoiled for blogshit cancer faggotry
>>142272200
There it is.
I was waiting for someone to post this.
My sides every goddamn time.
>>142274623
>xD
Don't.
>>142273135
Not that /a/non, but, good points.
Good points aside, you do have to admit that, the studio being the one behind it is somewhat responsible for the hype buildup, no?
If it was Production I.G or A.1 even BrainsBase, some of the initial hype would have been lost to the majority of us and you know it.
>>142283001
I just figured that an onee-san got introduced later because I dropped that garbage at episode 3. Almost as bad as Mahou Sensou, but Mahouka has higher production values and better designs.
>>142276696
how the fuck are they self-insert?
>>142275480
>Tatsuya is very much alike a "I'm not a mary sue because I can't sew or cook well" in a situation where domestic skills have no relevance.
And then
>Think of it as a D&D game gone wrong with the DM bringing his edgy younger brother in & wanking said brother's character.
Fuck, why did I laugh like a retard?
>>142275640
The best type of trainwreck, mind you.
>>142266059
>implying Mahouka isn't a comedy
>>142266137
this guy is cool
but he's not COOLER!
he's not COOLEST!
>>142276305
That's pretty impartial. Good job having no fucking idea what a gary stu actually is. I agree that he may seem gary stu-ish at times, but he's far from real gary stu status.
If you want a more accurate gary stu, think of Koizumi from Haruhi suzumiya.
>>142266059
>>142266088
>Romucoms are unintentionally funny
This is why nobody takes /a/ seriously anymore it's full of utterly retarded hipsters.
>Get told that Sakamoto is the closest anime has come to Looney Tunes
>Watch the first few episodes
>It's just a guy who's super cool but that's okay it's a parody ha ha
I'm never listening to you again /a/
>>142276696
They're gary stu's.
Anyone stupid enough to attempt to self-insert or fill the shoes of a perfect character probably has unrealistic standards they impose on others in the real world
They're likely the kind of faggot that uses "no man/woman is good enough for my perfect body, that's why I'm still a virgin" tier logic to excuse their introversion / faggotry.
I'd like to at least think nobody on /a/ is fucking retarded enough to attempt to self-insert as a gary/mary stu/sue, but, then again, shit like AoT, TokyoGhoul, Free! and Kuroshitsuji are popular for a reason. (Not to say they're indicative of stu/sue's, but rather that people want to believe that the character THEY self-insert as - is the pinnacle of perfection)
In my shit opinion, you can find suedom in any anime, really, if you look hard enough.
>>142278029
>dem 360 jesus-kun noscopes
I wonder what kind of company he'd sell out for. Mountain dew and doritos and FaZe doesn't seem good enough for those types of xxxmlgxxx skills. Especially that fucking auto-lockon auto-nuke bullshit.
>>142265974
one is considered perfect by his peers and though perfect everything he does is a gag so you shouldn't take it seriously (kinda like Saitama but even less serious because there's not even a serious moment involving him).
the other is considered to be weak despite being OP, he's completely humorous and you're suppose to sympathize with him despite being Jesus
>>142281025
in that case see options "adapt fewer books" and "more episodes". Now it just is ambitious but rubbish.
>>142283891
GEE TOO AYYY DOT COM
>>142281025
Sure, keep teling yourself it was all the anime's fault and that what everybody hates about Mahouka isn't in the books. One day it might even become true that way
>>142265974
One is a comedy character and the other is a boring Mary Sue. No "b-but he can't use basic magic. He has problems!" is not a flaw
>>142283446
>impartial
You keep using that word.
>>142284569
The LN is actually even worse.
>>142283566
Hey, don't fucking blame us. Blame the cancerous /leddit/ and au/tumblr/ists and MAL.
If you'd bother lurking for more than a fucking week, you'd realize most threads on /a/ contain lots of criticism about said anime that the thread is made for / on behalf of.
Just because there's a thread about it, doesn't necessarily mean everyone in the thread fucking likes it. Follow the damn seasonal charts and pay more fucking attention than you are now goddammit.
If you want proof, look no further than this very thread, and your post.
>>142284267
Sasuga, oldfag-kun.
>>142284139
>one is considered perfect by his peers and though perfect everything he does is a gag so you shouldn't take it seriously (kinda like Saitama but even less serious because there's not even a serious moment involving him).
This is perfectly worded. This sums up pretty much every single goddamn unnecessary counter-argument people make in defense of mary/gary-stu self-insertion. You should all already fucking know better.
I'm fucking copypastaing this. Hope you don't mind anon.
>>142287805
but Sakamoto isn't a self-insert
his friends are
>>142284569
>anime's
/a/non, when you see a flock of sheep, do you call them "sheep's" or just "sheep"?
>Look, a flock of sheep!
>Look, a flock of sheeps!
It's singular and plural. Kill yaself, m8.
>>142287943
>>142285037
imˈpärSHəl/
adjective
adjective: impartial
- treating all rivals or disputants equally; fair and just.
Synonymous with: Unbiased, Neutral.
>>142287917
It's worded in such a way that it groups together pretty much all arguments, or "excuses", one would use in defense of "parody", in place of perfection.
It's essentially saying "you ought to know what the fuck to expect, autists"
The characters its representing have no relevance to the way I'd use it in a thread, but I do see what you mean.
>>142288034
You acting shocked that someone replied with that makes it gloriously fucking obvious you're new here.
Lurk moar faggot. He's doing you a favor, even if he's not doing it nicely. Not really much else to say about it.
>>142288220
it's not much of an excuse because. It's a gag manga
is that argument didn't hold then pic related is a mary sue self insert
>>142288340
So possesive is the same as plural now?
>>142288340
That's not why I typed that. I just don't want 15 fucking replies of
>anime's
and then the thread derails, but then again, the threads pretty much at its limit. Not like it matters. This has been pretty much the only decent thread on /a/ all day tho, so I'm not sure why I bothered, It'd just be a shame to see the thread off in such a shitty state due to having it turned to shit because of some newfag.
>>142288418
>it's not much of an excuse because. It's a gag manga
That'd odd because that's my point, actually.
It's a perfectly compact explanation, grouping together all the shitty excuses people would use as to why parody anime that includes gary-stu's are fucking retarded, the same people who don't understand what mary-sue or gary-stu's are, trying to explain it away as "cliche" or "self-insertive".
Maybe I didn't word it properly? There is zero fucking likelyhood that anyone who watches a parody anime in which a gary-stu DOESN'T exist within the cast is watching it without knowing at LEAST what the concept of a gary-stu is.
There is a difference between the gary-stu in Desu ga and Mahouka, but both are intentional. The difference is, sometimes people don't realize that you making excuses as to why you self-insert as one, and not the other, makes you look fucking autistic. Understand? Or do I need to re-word it again?
>>142265974
I have a better question.
Why is this garbage in my pic considered good while Mahouka isn't.
I think Mahouka is unironically good by the way. It definitely is much better than the baseline shounen fightan show we get nowadays.
>>142288418
If you go by that standard, then any character with even a single fucking imperfection in any gag or parody anime, ever, would immediately disqualify the anime from the gag/parody genre.
I think It's still a gag manga even without a gary-stu, but using the presence of said gary stu to discredit the anime or label it as bad simply because one exists when it's supposed to be a gag/parody anime is redundant, and therefore any complaints about it are fucking retarded by default. I think that's what he's saying.
>>142289111
If you badmouth my husbando I will reach through my computer screen and fucking strangle you until your dick reverts inwards into a fucking vagina.
Alcoholism automatically disqualifies him for gary-stu status. Being the dark and silent brooding type =/= mahouka-stu syndrome.
>>142289301
That's during the second season you inbred piece of shit.
>>142289301
wat
I have to wonder /a/, how bad is your autism if you think Mahouka has extraordinary levels of gary stu, how many freaking anime action shows do you watch expecting the MC to fucking lose?
Are you seriously this fucking braindead?
Jesus fantasy plots are great. Stop being degenerate scum and embrace goodness.
>>142289330
It's still part of the story you faggot. Tats remains the same, with very few exceptions.
Alcoholism, power loss and violence towards innocent people are fucking galaxies apart in terms of characterization when comparing the two.
Buy a rope, stand on a chair, tie the rope to a branch and do a few jumping-jacks for me, will you?
>>142289536
Can you name one anime besides Bakemonogatari, that this happens in that /a/ loves, off the top of your head without looking through your backlogs folder? My guess is no.
>>142289536
If the MC loses, the story can still be fucking good though. Although, interestingly, the story being from the Antags point of view would be quiet interesting, as rare as that may be, but I don't think /a/ expects anything as deep as that.
You should know after having been on /a/ long enough that it'll instantly become hipster if it strays from the commonly tread path too far.
>>142276305
You may be right, but pic related is still my favorite garty stu for how the series developed, withoout sucking his dick endlessly and givim chance to other characters to shine, like the shota.
>>142289972
>withoout sucking his dick endlessly and givim chance to other characters to shine
Then he isn't a stu, anon.
>>142289792
/a/ or neo/a/?
Geass. Aquarion. Any Gundam after and including Wing. Chrono Crusade. Mushiuta. Blame. Blade of the Immortal. Whether you like it or not lots of people like SAO as well. Ergo Proxy. Of the top of my head all of them.
Full Metal Panic, there were faggots crying for a new season even couple of months ago.
And so on.
>implying I'm new enough to keep a backlog folder
>>142278029
They had to keep it interesting some way, right? If they kept with that fucking theme it would have turned into a "muh sponsored gubament oppression" or a "glorious japanese nationalism!" circlejerk, and at worst case scenario, would have turned into a "over-coming oppression by being a jobber for everyone so they can see I'm no different than them!"
It would become just another fucking tale of acceptance; t. Naruto, Magic Gun Jesus Edition.
>>142289972
>>142290024
Fair pointHoly shit my keyboard must be broken or I'm retarded
>>142265974
One is intended to be a joke character in an over-the-top unrealistic comedy series and the other... wait, which one am I talking about again?
>>142278029
>that pissed me off the most about the show. In the first episode there was the theme of institutionalized discrimination of people not capable of magic. And they just fucking dropped the theme that could drive a story about struggle
What struggle? They're born without magic they'll die without magic. If anything the plot was pretty clear on this EVERYONE HAS HIS FUCKING PLACE. You're not useless if you don't have magic. But you'll never be a super soldier. Just fucking live with it. The whole point was if you're not powerful go be a teacher or an engineer or some shit else, life doesn't end if you can't join the army.
The plot was resolved as such.
Reminder that everyone that unironically hates Mahoka is literally so new they weren't here to watch it with /a/ when it aired
>>142290287
FUCKING THIS.
>>142290072
>/a/ or neo/a/Is there even a fucking difference anymore?
>Geass
plsno.
>>142276696
>>142283246
>>142283806
Guys, by "self-insert" he means that the viewer entertains a "gary stu" fantasy while watching. You don't need a god complex to enjoy watching a character be perfect, in a way we all wish we were.
>>142283566
>>Get told that Sakamoto is the closest anime has come to Looney Tunes
>>Watch the first few episodes
yeah that was a mistake
>>142289903
TL;DR; shit rambling about expectations and gary-stu's.
The biggest fucking problem though, is, who's deciding what's considered "too far" from the path, and whether or not we should tell these /MAL/-tier faggots to fuck off before, or after they share their opinions and thoughts.
If you don't tell them to fuck off quickly enough, /a/ will suffer, but if you continually tell anyone prospective to fuck off, we'll be considered "sekret-club" tier and any/all anime we like will automatically be considered null and void on account of "us" liking it, when in reality the faggots who'd honestly believe that, would know better than to believe that had they just shutted the fuck up and lurked.
They'd realize there is no "us", and that things like gary-stu stories as aren't openly hailed and liked as you'd think. All of that of course, is dependent on whether or not midfags and oldfags do their fucking part in keeping the newfags on lock.
I'd like to believe the community is what makes half of the experience, but in reality, I know too much about how /a/ operates and about how seasonal shows can quickly become cancerous - to actually expect much of /a/, and I'm sure I, at least to that degree - can speak for pretty much anyone who's been here for at least 5 years.
>>142291343
Not any of the anons you replied to, but I absolutely agree.
>>142291637
Well as someone who's been here since 2006 if you don't like Mahouka you're cancer and you should remove yourself from the premises.
There is more to a story than the main character and in everything else Mahouka excelled far and beyond the typical anime. If only the generic LN writer trash could learn from it. If only.
>>142291815
>There is more to a story than the main character and in everything else Mahouka excelled far and beyond the typical anime
Oh wait, you are serious
>>142265974
>>142292298
>shit opinion
>meme image from /v/
I told you. You're a cancer. Incise yourself.
>>142292607
I'll do it the day Mahouka becomes good. So I'll just die from something else
Look at all these peasants envying Onii-sama's greatness.
May Onii-sama's hand reach you poor lambs one day
>>142288905
>>142289207
Yeah I had bad reading comprehension there sorry.
But yeah people complain about Overpowered fuckers because they suck out all the tension of a series since any trails and conflicts they face they cut through like tissue. But gag series aren't really ones for drama, conflict, or tension to begin with so it doesn't really matter.
In Mahouka, Tats is intended to be the self insert. He's the type of guy where viewers think "oh, everybody in school thinks that kid's a loser like me, but he secretly has powers that make him greater than everyone else like me!" It's for people who wish they had little sisters that worshipped them, girls which fell head over heels for them, and enemies who balk at the sign of true power.
Sakamoto is characterized by how others see him. Sure, he's cool on his own, but what makes the story not bland is that the story is centered around people whose lives are changed by Sakamoto for the better. He's a guy who doesn't care about himself, but wants people to exceed their shortcomings and become like him. He's sort of like Sumiere-chan, except not a dummy.
>>142293311
Tats is still a very beta virgin though.
>>142293311
So in short, Tatsuya is how people imagine themselves to be, and Sakamoto is how people should be.
Now that I think of it, it's similar to Batman and Superman.
>i told the paramedics what to do
>>142275953
>Gary Stu characters are enjoyable if done correctly
Sure.
>Tatsuya does it right
Fuck off, Lelouch.
>>142293355
Well, yeah. The readers still need some way to relate to him. How can they relate to someone who's actually had sex multiple times with multiple girls?
>>142266331
>this entire post
>>142271502
The legend himself.
>>142293311
>In Mahouka, Tats is intended to be the self insert. He's the type of guy where viewers think "oh, everybody in school thinks that kid's a loser like me, but he secretly has powers that make him greater than everyone else like me!" It's for people who wish they had little sisters that worshipped them, girls which fell head over heels for them, and enemies who balk at the sign of true power.
I don't know what kind of a retard likes to self insert into a killing machine with no will of it's own.
Do you self insert as the Terminator? No you fucking don't. Well maybe some autists do. But most people don't.
Tatsuya is very different from a self insert character. He has no power over what he does, all his actions are dictated by a higher power and that's still very much true in the later volumes of the LN.
Tatsuya is not a self insert character. Tatsuya is a plot device. The story revolves around him the same way the story in Apocalypse revolves around the asteroid. Both Tatsuya nd the space rock do exactly what you expect them to do. There is no mystique there. You watch/read the story not for them but for the reactions of everyone else in the story.
>>142290527
>pass to Robben
>he cuts inside
>???
Those threads were great
Sakamoto is a comedy. Why the fuck is there almost 200 replies on this thread?
>>142271502
though in his case it's also in the perspective of "people who react to him" more than Alucard himself.
>>142272200
Outstanding. I really fucked up by not watching it as it aired.
>>142271502
Like I care if hes a gary stu.
>>142271502
>>142265974
I dont watch either of these show types, but I can still tell. The bottom one is 100 perercent standard liɡht novel protaɡofaɡ, the other one looks like he miɡht even be a distinct character.
For the record is Medaka really a Mary Sue? I mean she's not even the MC
Both Haruhi and Medaka are both not about the near perfect female character as much as the male character pursuing them. But whereas Haruhi is about a manic pixie dreamgirl getting a guy to experience his inner chunni. Medaka is all about a guy that's trying to win the most popular girl in school. I mean of course she's perfect, she's the trophy.
>>142293820
She is a wish fulfillment perfect chara that saves the day with deus ex machina out the butt. So she's a Marry Sue.
Same for Huruhi.
A Marry Sue isn't necessarily a self insert character. This is what most of /a/ can't ever comprehend.
>>142293820
Medaka is a deconstruction of Mary Sues.
>>142266331
It's not "ironic gary stu" you fucking retard, it's a joke. Not every joke is irony. Goddamn you're so fucking retarded.
Sakamoto is Mr. Bean's cool Japanese nephew. Tatsuya is just Gary "Jesus" Stu.
>>142294137
>deconstruction meme
MB was a shit manga and I'm glad it got axed.
>>142294095
really how many times did she actually save the day?
maybe the events of the first arc
second arc she kept getting her ass kicked and was mind-controlled
third arc was won because the big bad pretty much had a character arc
Fourth arc she outright lost
Fifth arc was all about Zen proposing to her
Sixth arc Zen saved the day
you can make more arguments of Zen being a Gary stu what with having Touma levels of normalness.
Also this thread kinda made me believe that there's not too much difference between Tatsuya and Kumagawa
>>142293401
They can relate through their love for their family.
>>142294335
I think I found Anshin'in guys.
>>142293799
>>142293311
>Self insert
>100 perercent standard liɡht novel protaɡofaɡ
At least the second anon admited not watching,Tatsuya isn't self insert unless you think that overpowered = self insert
He leave no rooms for misunderstand,goes straight for the point and doesn't spills his spaghetti every time he talks to a girl.Unless it's for Miyuki he is skeptical and his reason for acting this way makes sense different from the usual muh sad past of the LN self insert MC
>>142293563
>Do you self insert as the Terminator?
Was the Terminator the protagonist of the story?
>>142265974
Sakamoto being perfect, able to beat his enemies, and everyone loving him is the joke.
Tatusya being perfect, able to beat his enemies, and everyone loving him is what makes him and the story he's in a fucking joke.
Also, Sakamoto isn't really about Sakamoto. It's about the lives of the people he's touched. Mahouka is about some top dog disguised as the underdog.
Best Mahouka scene coming through.
>>142293563
I've read the LNs and you're lying. Every so called higher power has capitulated to the power of the Gary Stu. His friends in the military pulled off a coup just to stop the "higher ups" from manipulating him. His family openly engaged him to Miyuki and declared her the heir. You're right that he's a plot device, but that's because it's poor writing.
Also, saying that a character isn't a Gary Stu because YOU don't self insert is a fallacy. Well, maybe you feel a disconnection with the character, but that doesn't mean the author Satou Tsutomu (Shiba Tatsuya) doesn't self insert. It doesn't mean the average Japanese tight wing otaku, the intended audience, doesn't self insert.
A Gary Stu/Mary Sue is a self insert for the author/writer of the work, not the audience.
Please consider that fact, before writing up your next post.
>>142295207
>she's barely blood related to Onii-Chan
Shitty NBR.
>>142265974
Sakamoto makes mundane things incredible. Tatsuya makes incredible things mundane.
>>142265974
Because one is a comedy that's based around Sakamoto being amazing at literally everything and about him getting into ridiculous situations.
Mahouka was intended to be a serious story.
>>142296424
Anyone who thinks the story of Mahouka isn't serious is ignoring all the technobabble that only Tatsuya excels at explaining and perfecting better than everyone else.
>>142295323
Mahouka's author is a 58-year-old STEMfag that wants to relieve high school days by having engineering lead to miracles and girls fawning over him, including his imouto. Satou inserts as Tatsuya. He axed his strong emotions to actually make Tatsuya cooler and edgier.
PRAISE
>>142296365
This.
>>142295207
One of the best Sakamoto scene coming through.
>>142297256
No, the best scene is Sakamoto huffing helium and pretending to be a girl.
>>142297256
Why does Sugita always seem to get casted as homo?
>>142297642
It still haven't out, anon.
>>142297653
Because he's a homo? I thought this is a well known fact.
>>142297740
We'll see it tomorrow.
>>142297653
Loads and loads of experience.
Of the two, Sakamoto is actually much more likable. Tatsuya is pretty much a boring ass perfect robot.
>>142297256
This scene was great too,
>>142299744
That part was surreal even for Sakamoto.
>>142290122
but now it wasn't interesting at all. I fail to see your point.
>>142290287
At the beginning magic users treated non-magic users pretty much as some people treat garbage men, fast food workers and what not in our society. Everybody has his place, sure, but those able saw the place of those unable in the dumpster, god forbid they hang out with them.
And suddenly everybody stops giving a shit about it? That's like Trump inviting 100 mexicans to his house to drink beer and throw darts at photos of Hillary Clinton.
>>142265974
They are both badly written. But Sakamoto is written worse with the purpose of making fun of characters in that archetype.
>>142268614
>>142269990
Agreed. It's a fucking cartoon, chill.
>>142265974
>This thread is still here
lel
>>142265974
Because Sakamoto found a way.
>>142302855
Kir-ai
A boy hates a girl.
Unable to bully, he is gifted with by a deus ex machina with the girl’s phone number. Never minding the strange area code, he immediately calls her, and is angered to find out that she has hates him as well.
But, the next day, when he recounts the previous day’s bullying to the girl, she only looks at him with a scornful expression. After some investigation, he finds out that the girl he called is not the same girl he hates. In fact, she doesn’t exist in this universe at all. She is the girl’s alternate universe counterpart, who hates the MC’s own AU self, who too is blissfully unaware of her arch-nemesis.
Hijinks ensue as the two strike up a deal to kill eachother, in order to equip the other with the weapons they need to rip out the heart of their other selves. While the two chase their respective hated ones, DRAMA ensues as they begin to hate each other instead and question the NATURE of SPITE.
>>142271072
>the other does things to impress everyone.
Sakamoto never goes out of his way to impress people, he has a natural style that impresses people on its own.
>>142302855Threadly reminder that you should stop posting that because it's a thing.https://www.fictionpress.com/s/3206139/1/
>>142302855
Arrest him!
Is Sakamoto retarded?
How can you not notice your shoes are tied together? He had to walk to the start line.
>>142302855
>>142302855
>>142266327
I only read the wiki on him but it sounds like he's basically Ainz in that he has a very strict emotional limit and they mind raped him into being his sisters bitch for life.
As a character its really hard to relate to someone who seems so perfect and clinical in the anime. Almost every other character is actually fun so it was a conscious choice on the authors part to make him as dull as possible.
I think the point is that if you don't self-insert as him immediately the story doesn't work because its all about everyone wanking over how ridiculous Tats is. The anime just shat all over that and made him batman but since he didn't have enough personality people here just seem to view him as the classic MC who doesn't deserve his abilities and he's pure wish fulfillment with the harem he gathers just by existing and the pretty sister.
>>142296365
Perfect summary.
>overpowered characters suck all tension out of a series
nah, if its done well its fine. I think that Jesus wasn't done that well because you never actually see him struggle with anything but personal relationships and that is never explored. I think thats why he's so hated, even more than your average harem MC who's just fearful of seeing boobs. At least that guy has feelings. Tats is just portrayed as always winning and always being better than ever.
Someone like Sebastian from kuroshitsuji isn't even the focus character and the drama in that series focuses around what Ciel wants to do, not if Sebastian can do it because he can. Plus his whole demon thing actually makes him fun to watch. If you took Mahouka, changed nothing but made Sebastian the MC, the series would be great.
Imagine Hagare yushas MC in tats place.
>>142304086
>The anime just shat all over that and made him batman
Kek, no anon Onii-sama is batman in the novels too.
>>142302855
Sasuga Sakamoto. Has great taste in anime and manga.
>>142305033
holy shit
I knew the LN was dumb but not that dumb.
>>142304577
>personal relationships and that is never explored.
That is actually main focus of the novels. His relationship with sister, aunt\mother and extended family. And thats main reason it cant translate into anime well, since its hard to put inner thoughts and hidden meaning behind words and smiles and casual talk.
>>142302855
Great taste.
>>142266059
fpbp. They're both hilarious though
>>142265974
The one above is fujoshit
The one underneath is people's lively choice and the way of life
>>142305715
>fujoshit
For fujoshit it sure is light hearted. Usually fujos need shit to be dark and dramatic.
>>142305715
How is it fujoshit?
>>142305715
>has an attractive male character
>must be fujoshit
That's one hell of an insecurity complex you have there anon.
some people like objectively shitty things
the question is not 'why do they like something I don't' but 'do they like that thing despite its obvious flaws or because of them?'
