why haven't you learned japanese yet?
Already did. Wasn't worth it.
>>142200873
I saw the girl in the picture saying it's not possible.
So I gave up.
>>142200873
Because becoming fluent in Japanese requires 7+ years of dedication in addition to spending a considerable amount of time in Japan.
also
>>>/int/
>>>/jp/
Only in college
Pft, you think I'm a weeaboo?!
I tried and it turned out I just can't.
I'm stupid
Because Japnese is literally the hardest language to learn
>>142200873
I barely passed GCSE French so I don't think I should try anything harder.
Why should I?
出来ない
learnings for nerds
>>142201196
>Because Japnese is literally the hardest language to learn
It's probably the easiest spoken language to learn. The written part is a bitch, but most people don't even need to learn Kanji unless they live there.
I barely have the energy and motivation to get out of bed in the morning.
I know the kana and probably 25 kanji, but that's it. Hopefully someday I'll learn more and be able to read the raw manga my Japanese friend gave me.
im gonna learn japanese this summer. well, try to learn.
Because neither the high school, college nor the university I've studied at offered a japanese course. And I can't learn it by myself.
Use the fucking catalog, there's already a thread dedicated to learning Japanese, as well as a thread dedicated to talking about whether learning Japanese is useful for watching anime.
You know that feeling you have when you're bored and everything else seems like it'd be even more boring, so you don't even do the stuff you want to?
That's why.
>>142200873
I can't even learn stuff that is useful for uni
>>142200873
Too much commitment needed, too little payoffs.
>>142201719
>access to all japanese media is too little of a payoff
Maybe if you're a normalfag, that sounds like a damn good payoff to me
>>142201764
I've watched less and less currently airing anime each seasons.
I envy autist that could hold their interest for a long time. I am afraid that I'll lose my entire interest toward anime/japanshit soon.
Because I already did it. Is the going tough? Sure, some days I woke up and didn't really want to spend an hour on my reps. But I still did them.
It's hard to explain just how much you get out of it. The stuff that makes it into English barely scratches the surface in terms of Japan's output.
>>142201305
good luck learning to speak japanese with only romaji and kana reading you fucking moron
>>142201914
That's just because there are less and less good anime per season. What is there to watch now? Macross? Maybe Kabaneri if you're into generic shounen shit? There's literally nothing to watch.
>>142201988
It's entirely possible to learn spoken Japanese without knowing shit about kanji. Reminder that only a few hundred years ago it was rare for someone to know how to read and write, despite them all knowing how to speak.
>>142201914
There are two kinds of people on 4chan:
>people who are genuinely obsessed with Japanese cartoons
>sad, miserable people who post about non-anime things on an anime website
No need to, it's not like I'm planning on living there.
i'm an east asian studies minor senpai, so i am learning japanese
I'm learning with Wanikani, I know it's slow as fuck but it works for me
>>142200873
Sorry, I don't speak third world langage
>>142202045
Not him, but that kind of learning is possible only if you live there or you live with someone who speaks it.
My case is pretty similar, as I know how to speak Arabic (due to my parents and relatives speaking it), but do not know how to read it or write it. You can learn a language by osmosis, but it's probably not a good practice.
>>142200873
I did. Took them as second language for my associate degree. Basically shit the japs taught kindergarten kids.
>>142201196
No, English and Arabic are.
>>142202727
English is easy modo
>>142202820
If your culture is already saturated with it, sure.
>>142202940
I'm spanish and I learned english by playing videogames and watching movies
It's a shit language with zero applicability outside of Japan and small areas of Brazil. I also have dedicated autists to TL anime, manga, LNs, and WNs from Japan.
I'd rather learn Russian (rare outside of Russia, but it's an important power despite being a shithole), Mandarin (see explanation for Russia), or French.
>>142200873
I don't know why you should. Translations suffice.
>>142200873
I'm dumb. Japanese is just too hard.
>>142203353
There aren't even translations for most things.
>>142203555
There's a huge amount of translated material. I'm regularly amazed by how much is out there.
>>142201196
Not even remotely close.
>>142203144
>I'd rather learn Russian (rare outside of Russia, but it's an important power despite being a shithole), Mandarin (see explanation for Russia), or French.
Are you learning either of those?
>>142203725
It's a drop in the ocean, and most of the work is sub-par.
When I'm done with uni and don't have to learn anything new
>>142203829
You'll be far too busy doing double shifts as a barista and fry-cook to pay off your crippling debt to learn another language.
>>142203792
I suppose you've been looking far more than I have, then.
I know the language which is why I'm wondering why anyone would ever take the time to learn it.
>>142203892
I have rich parents, in no college debt
>>142200873
俺様はすでに日本語を知ってるけど。
>>142203983
俺様ってｗｗｗ
うざいｗｗｗ
>>142204106
何言ってやがる、テメェ？
うぜぇじゃねぇぞ。
>>142203773
Doing the Mandarin Rosetta Stone at the moment. Also planning to go to China for a couple months after I graduate uni to cement my knowledge. Russian and French are planned for the future.
>>142203792
>It's a drop in the ocean, and most of the work is sub-par.
What makes you think the untranslated stuff is any better? Usually untranslated works remain untranslated because they are bad even by the low standards Japan is held to.
>>142202498
I was using wanikani and it was going smooth until it forced a subscription to keep going. Now I use anki with kanjidamage deck and I think I'm doing OK.
>>142203983
>俺様
Wew lad.
>>142204223
I'll try that
>>142202727
>English
>Hard
I can smell your EOP scent from here
>>142202940
English is the lingua franca of the world, and considering the ubiquity of American pop culture, it likely is easy to learn from exposure. Actually explaining how the language works is a great deal more difficult.
>>142204258
こん人代名詞は俺様に似合うぞ。
>>142200873
I'm learning Korean instead
Japanese seems fun but learning 2 illogical alphabets + Chinese does not
>>142202727
English is easy dude.
>>142204512
>he thinks people learn Japanese to talk to Japanese people
You're about as dumb as you can get.
>>142204223
Use 2k deck instead
Learning Kanji by itself is useless, it's smarter to learn vocab
>>142203144
>japanese is useless
>russian tho
How do you even sustain this train of thought.
>>142204584
>Learning Kanji by itself is useless
It's anything but. That said, for a beginner it's much better to get some basic vocabulary going first and 2k is great for that as you suggested.
>>142204512
>muh practicality
>>142203144
Vis-à-vis current affairs, Japan could get a lot more important if the communist party in China goes kablooie and the water from Sakhalin to Singapore becomes a warzone. Just sayin'
>>142204486
Yeah because 100something sounds resulting in a language that when spoken sounds like you're boiling jews in the backyard is very fun.
Also
>illogical alphabets
>>142204512
I just want to read their porn and play their unlocalized games, bro.
>>142204512
I also spend hundreds of hours doing equally worthless activities with even less payoff.
>>142204512
Actually it's thousands of hours. Have you even tried to learn a language before or, god forbid, use your brain? Just a suggestion.
>>142204800
Compared to Hangul its pretty illogical, but I it's probably because Hangul was made with the intent of being easy to pick up so it could replace Chinese asap.
Not to put down Japanese or anything, I still think it's a cool language, just not worth the time for me.
So far behind.
>>142204512
>4th largest economy in the world
>10th largest population
By your logic, we should all be learning Greenlandic.
>>142204911
It's pretty much universally agreed upon that Japanese has a fucking retarded writing system
You think 2chan ever has threads like this relating to English? I know the interests are different since the general focus of both websites is eastern shit, but still.
>>142204994
Given the spoken language, it's about as elegant as you could get.
>>142205049
You mean like 2chan boards dedicated to cowboy hats and hamburgers?
>>142204994
Universally agreed upon, also known as "I looked at text once, IT'S DUMB!!!"
What exactly would you have them do? Drop kanji, invent a new alphabet, restracture their entire society? Maybe drop the language altogether and use English instead?
>>142205049
They have some threads where they post in English(or attempt to) from time to time.
>>142205173
>Drop kanji, invent a new alphabet
yup
>>142204320
I'm from England, I don't know what that means.
>>142205173
>Drop kanji, invent a new alphabet,
You say this like it hasn't been done.
At this point I'm not sure if there's much of a need though, isn't the literacy rate in Japan pretty high?
>>142204994
How so?
>>142205220
It would have to be as complicated as Kanji you stupid fuck. Or they'd have to restructure their entire system. Kanji are very elegant and serve their purpose quite well.
>>142205220
You would need an alphabet with diacritics that convey high or low pitch over every letter. It would look like Vietnamese, i.e. this garbage:
Sau khi Tổng Thống Mỹ Barack Obama rời Việt Nam, trên mạng Internet có người đem hai bức hình ra so sánh.
>>142205421
Judging an eastern language by how it looks romanized is really, really dumb.
>>142205368
>You say this like it hasn't been done.
It hasn't been done for a language similar to Japanese. Don't even bring up Corean here, they're not even remotely similar.
>>142205385
>Kanji are very elegant and serve their purpose quite well.
stockholm syndrome
>>142205456
That's not a romanization, dipshit.
>>142205479
Butthurt syndrome.
>>142200873
I'm waiting for the duolingo course.
>>142204221
>Mandarin Rosetta Stone
>planning to go to China for a couple months after I graduate uni to cement my knowledge
>Usually untranslated works remain untranslated because they are bad
I'm surprised you can be this big of a fucking retard and somehow still be able to function in daily life
>>142205808
chinese is a subhuman language
>>142204221
>>142201976
How fluent are you? How long have you been studying?
>>142203144
>but it's an important power
It's regional at best
>>142204512
20 million people speak Latin, a dead language from a 2000 years dead empire
>>142206055
Don't remind me.
>>142206055
FUCK OFF YOU DUMB CUNT BITCH
I hate you. I'll slap the shit out of you with your stupid fucking book.
>>142200873
>not Spanish
The US is close to be Mexico. Why not learn Spanish?
It'll be of use for you weabos to get a Maria to make you tortillas everyday.
Or arabic for Europe, tho I'm pretty sure it'll be a requirement for those cucks hahaha
>>142206187
Fuck you I tried, alright?
>>142206187
Should have made her blonde
Having her wear a burka would be fine too
>>142206187
I've learned German. It's shit. No one should learn this piece of shit, depressing literally anti-fun language. German should disappear.
>>142206359
I'd honestly rather learn Latin than fucking Spanish.
>>142201354
>I barely have the energy and motivation to get out of bed in the morning.
Fix this.
>>142206055
Reminder that being a native English speaker is better than being a native of any other language
Reminder that if you are an ESL you will never understand the complexities and intricacies if the English language
>always press again if i don't know or think I'll forget 5 mins later
Was I being retarded all along?
>>142206359
t. vladoturk mongolrapebabyvich
>>142201914
Then what about making contact with other human beings? That's what's motivating me.
>>142206600
You only need the bare basics to get the japs to talk to you, if you know more than that they get suspicious.
>>142206600
Not him but I don't even like talking to people I can talk to now
>>142205099
And guns and John Wayne. Rooty Tooty American Guns and Shooty.
>>142206570
The best way to understand your own language is to learn a second one
>>142206570
>Reminder that if you are an ESL you will never understand the complexities and intricacies if the English language
You got it backwards.
>English
>"It's snowing"
What the fuck is "it" doing in this sentence? What's snowing? Fuck off.
>>142206652
Fine by me. I met a few people IRL a few years ago there and would like to reconnect.
>>142206681
What a shame.
>>142206829
The cloud, you dumb retard.
Why? :c
>>142206881
What about "It's sunny"?
Is there anything that can be expressed in Japanese but not in English? (Or vice versa.)
Not talking about cultural references or that kind of thing, since that's not really so much an untranslatable concept as just prior knowledge that the listener is assumed to have, which is not really the same thing. (You could obviously express that concept in English if you wanted to take enough time to explain the context first.) Rather I mean stuff that couldn't be expressed in the other language no matter how many words you had available to explain context or whatever else.
>>142206926
The weather.
>>142206829
>>142206926
"It" is "the current weather"
>>142206993
No, you retard.
>>142207099
Oh, ok.
Why should I learn Japanese then?
>>142206829
Eh. Other languages do stuff like this.
>>142207136
So you can be the king among the weebs
>>142206829
You complaining about this in a thread about Japanese where everything is ambiguous and context-dependent all the time? English isn't nearly as bad in that regard.
>>142206993
>Is there anything that can be expressed in Japanese but not in English?
The difference between は and が.
>>142207136
How do you think you'd be able to learn Japanese if it had a concept that was completely untranslatable?
>>142206570
The head English Language professor at my university was born in a small village in Germany.
He knows more about the complexities and intricacies of English than anyone at the university.
I study English Literature, though I studied Language as well last year - I dropped it because I failed 3/4 of it. I'm doing a TEFL/TESOL course at the moment which requires knowledge of it once again and I feel like a complete moron.
>>142207239
Well, what is it?
>>142207248
I'd learn the concept in Japanese obviously.
>>142202045
Eh, didn't actually nip-peasants all know how to read and write in their nip-language?
I remember something from my Japanese class professors saying that Western missionaries and travelers were surprised that the low social classes still had a very high level of literacy.
>>142207278
I don't think you "get" language.
>>142207238
>Japanese where everything is ambiguous and context-dependent all the time
That's the beauty of it.
>>142206993
Maybe names for some kinds of wildlife only native to Japan. We can't translate something we don't have a word for because it simply doesn't exist where we live.
>>142207272
I cannot express it to you in English no matter how many words I use.
>>142207272
One specifies a topic and the other is indicative
They can in fact be easily explained in english
>>142206993
You can express any concept in any language given enough words. Just describe the concept in tangible terms, or give the exact context in which you would use it. English is just as good as Japanese at describing the exact posture and leg position of seiza, though it lacks a succint word.
>>142207323
That's like saying the word "ant" has a deeper meaning to English natives. It's a fucking name, dude.
>>142200981
fluency in Japanese is not required to listen to anime, anon. Knock six years off your estimate
I'm waiting for technology to improve to a level where I could, I dunno, eat a pill with nanomachines that give me the knowledge to understand Japanese and read, write and speak it.
Like in that one Donald Duck comic.
>>142202157
>tfw both
>>142207485
Enjoy waiting forever instead of just spending a bit of time a day for a few years.
>>142207545
Just like everything else in my life
>>142207545
It's no big deal if it never really comes to be.
>>142207593
Every year you don't know Japanese is another year you're missing out on all the shit available.
You know what you can't learn?
Hungarian.
Japanese is a fucking joke compared to that monstrosity.
>>142205938
Thank you that was eye opening.
>>142207624
There's enough shit translated by other people for me to enjoy that sustains my needs.
>>142207362
>giving a serious answer to someone who unironically asked whether a human language has some term or concept in it that another human language cannot explain no matter how many words are used
He either has no idea what language even is or thinks Japan exists on a 4th dimension or something and they have concepts that the human mind, let alone a man-made language, could even begin to comprehend and express.
>>142207741
I just felt like saying cause I learned it today
I already speak German, English and French fluently, as well as enough Spanish and Japanese to communicate with locals. Learning a new language isn't that hard when you put dedication into it
>>142207957
Yes. It's just up to the individual if they really want to do it or not.
>>142207957
I agree.
I simply don't have the drive, so I accept that I will never learn Japanese. If you actually care and can maintain motivation however, I don't see why you wouldn't be able to. The resources are out there, anons. The only remaining barrier is yourself.
>>142207957
What's your learning schedule like? I have a problem of plateauing once I reach intermediate. How do you get pronunciation down?
>>142207957
I've wondered about this. I've recently decided I'm going to teach myself japanese. That said, I've wondered if there is a potential downside of studying in place of the hours of hours I would typically spend in a single day doing nothing or player games.
put shortly, like with exercising are there limits to the amount I can benefit in one day? Burn out withstanding, as I enjoy learning.
>>142208326
>are there limits to the amount I can benefit in one day?
No, but there are diminishing returns and you'd also end up getting sick of it.
>>142208326
There comes a point where everything that made sense earlier in the day suddenly stops making sense. At that point I usually stop.
You can push through it, but you risk making yourself frustrated, or burning yourself out so hard you end up quitting. Despite what DJT will tell you, learning Japanese isn't a race. You should strive to do something every day, though.
I opened the DJT link and the first line said to give up if you only want to learn Japanese to watch anime and read manga without translations, so I did.
>>142208326
If you go into it expecting to do 10 hours of studying a day, you'll want to die within a week unless you're hopped up on amphetamines.
You can get a lot done in an hour a day.
I always hit a point where I don't know how far I'm advancing towards fluency. Like I'll learn enough to have simple conversations, but there will be thousands of words I don't know. Just random words like "toaster" or "chandelier" and that knowledge gap makes it hard to reach true fluency.
>>142208505
Do you also kill yourself every time someone on 4chan tells you to? The overwhelming majority of anyone that has ever even posted in DJT is only learning Japanese to read raw weeb crap, be it manga, LNs, Eroge or Nukige and watch raw Mongolian motion pictures.
>>142208446
>>142208552
Naturally I'll pace myself, but I was more worried that if I didn't do it in smaller increments I would be wasting time for it.
But I get it, slow and steady. Thanks for the advice
>>142208601
For that you'd need to read a lot of raw stuff and talk in Japanese with people, even if it's just through text on the internet.
>>142208505
It's a meme, nobody learns Japanese for any reason that isn't chinese cartoons and their porn.
>>142208663
Slow but steady is good. If you can do two hours a day that's a good number for most people's schedules. But if you're willing and able to make it a full time job, there's nothing wrong with studying eight hours per day. If you have native speakers to help you, you can improve super quickly that way. But language learning is really a long game. Fluency requires several thousand hours, so even with eight hours per day it takes time.
>>142208780
I don't expect to hit fluency for years from now. If I set myself a long goal, that means I can absolutely hit any deadline as long as my goal for every day is review and progress. At least I think that's the attitude I should have.
I did have another question however. Reading is easy, but when/how late in the process if delayed at all does a person start attempting to form sentance structure?
That's down the line way after words and grammar, right?
>>142204974
Just learn Danish instead my friend.
As a bonus you can talk with Swedes and Norwegians too!
>>142209071
No, you can't.
-Sweden.
I don't think fluency should be the goal. Bein able to read/watch stuff whie looking up words occasionally should be enough. Fluency will come naturally after that.
>>142208887
The more I read, the easier I find it to speak. I guess it's just learning through exposure. Output will come easier to you once you understand sentences yourself. Once you know how a sentence is made, get a feel for it, then you can output them yourself.
At the start, for me, I just couldn't figure out what という meant, or what it was doing to the sentence. It used to frustrate the fuck out of me. But eventually it just soaks into your head.
>>142209122
Stay classy Sweden.
>>142202727
Learning English is easy
Learning the thousands of nuances and exceptions is fucking retarded. And this is coming from an Englishmen who traces his surname back to the Saxons.
>>142209210
It's not our fault that your spoken language is incomprehensible.
>>142209211
You should give German a try. Even the exception have exceptions and those exceptions have different forms and those also have exceptions and the cycle continues and continues until you've reached critical mass. After that, euphoria.That last part not really. Not at all. Nope.
>>142209298
Fuck off, if I as a German ccan vaguely understand all of you fucks and even the Dutch, you can as well.
>>142209362
German is easy, try Russian
>>142209071
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-mOy8VUEBk
>>142209362
Does German have weird, inconsistent pronunciation, like it's own version of though, thought, through, rough, bough, trough and sought?
http://pauillac.inria.fr/~xleroy/stuff/english-pronunciation.html
>>142209159
The other key thing to remember is that natives don't speak the language perfectly. They're going to say ungrammatical things, make spelling errors, and slur words. Part of learning the language is learning to understand common mistakes, something that's impossible to learn from a book.
>>142209477
>Terpsichore
Fucking really. I'm Greek and still had no idea how to pronounce that at a glance.
>>142201196
But that's fucking wrong, you bitch. Go get some beer, a notebook, a pencil and some shut-the-fuck-up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZEA54VJEdE&index=2&list=PL9987A659670D60E0
>>142200873
I did. I've been living in Japan since 2000 and am still living the dream. I get compliments about my japanese everyday as I work in the service branch, it's extremely satisfying.
>>142200981
Well 3 years of watching anime, reading manga and doing karaoke was enough for me so I guess you just didn't choose the right way to learn it.
Sometimes the most serious way isn't the best one. You've got to get fun, all is suddenly way easier.
>>142201196
It's NOTHING compared to French. You don't want to learn french, ever. French speaking.
>>142201764
Agreed.
>>142209956
How long did it take you to get really comfortable? As in, able to find work using only Japanese?
>>142200873
I was learning through out high school, but I stopped due to lack of motivation.
It's one of the more easier languages if you treat it like building with legos.
For those who want to get their foot in the door:
http://ww8.tiki.ne.jp/~tmath/home/
Start with verbs, I guess. Worked for me.
>>142209298
Oh the irony
>>142210037
Watching subs with no previous knowledge of Japanese isn't really gonna get you anywhere. You'll pick up on certain small phrases, but you won't learn actual language structure, unless you have an amazing ability to pick up on things.
>>142210681
It's doable as long as you actively try paying attention and not just mindlessly watch
Here's a Japanese tv stream for all you learners.
http://wilsonjj.me/jptv/
Now you get to watch the unspeakable horror that is Japanese morning television
>>142210797
Subs aren't even a literal translation, it would only fuck with you more.
The only way I could see people learning Japanese through anime is if they watched a fuck ton of RAW anime, literally hundreds if not thousands, where they can piece together things to a point where they actually understand it.
>>142210846
> literal translation
I thought we were talking about grammar structure? the average anon can instinctively understand the absolute most basic ones
>>142211075
Most basic particles, I meant
>>142211075
I'm talking about learning Japanese through anime. I was replying to some anon saying it's possible, and I'm just saying that it would be very hard especially with subs. You'd be better off with RAWs, more time to pay attention to the words + subs are usually not good translations. It only took me 1 semester of Japanese to learn that subtitles are complete garbage.
>>142210831
Fucking Yamato-kun.
>>142210831
Morning TV is comfy as all fuck.
>>142211170
So wait, pop-pop chucked him out of the car and pretended to desert him as punishment, and then the retarded little kid decided to run into the fucking forest?
Some kids deserve to die.
>>142211148
Still I do think subtitles or not, watching builds a feel of how sencences are built, but I'm not sure how much damage not being able to tell where words begin and end can do if you're watching raw. Can you realoy build vocab like that without being acquainted with some grammar structure beforehand?
The fucking train cutting Abe-san.
>>142211326
He's probably gonna end up dead, if he's even still alive that is.
>>142201988
tell that to kanjiclub
>>142211449
I mean, it's possible, because grammar books for most languages didn't exist until the Renaissance.
>>142200873
I keep not studying and not learning Japanese
>>142211747
Of course, any means produce results given enough time
I was wondering about efficiency wise
>>142204512
I learn Japanese so I can woo more girls
>>142209211
I am also English, anon. My surname is Taylor though which I don't think is Saxon.
>Setup anki
>always hit again unless I remember under 10 seconds and believe I'll still remember it 10minutes later, new card or not
>2nd day, today's result was 63%
Am I doing something wrong? Everyone says it should be 80+
>>142204584
> Learning Kanji by itself is useless
I'm starting to realize this myself, but unfortunately I have a learning disability where I can't learn the vocab if I don't know the kanji that make it up because I will forget it in a couple of weeks.
>>142204512
Well, I don't do drugs and have no interest in being shot to death for fun so, no need to communicate with anyone in the red countries
The countries in Yellow are more than likely filled with no one capable of language anyways so they're out.
Blue countries can more than likely speak English as a second language but even if they couldn't, all they'd have to say is how awful America is so no thanks there.
Green countries could only ever tell me I'm about to get my head sawed off.
Don't have a hankering to eat dog and I could probably locate the nearest shitting street by smell alone, so there's no need to learn any language in the purple countries.
And finally, I am already fully fluent in shitpost so I can easily communicate with any pink citizens, not that I would.
So there you have it Japanese is the only worthwhile language to learn.
What language will be most useful for someone in the military.
basically, what country is america going to fuck up next? Will arabic still be useful or should I lean towards korean/russian/chinese?
>>142200873
I'm quite dumb unfortunately.
>>142214410
Mandarin. In addition to becoming more marketable, you'll be fully prepared when China inevitably takes over.
>>142202014
Well you're missing on Kuromukuro, Boku no Hero and Re: Zero
>>142203144
>"I refuse to do anything unless it's a skill I can apply to being a wageslave!"
How fucking sad and brainwashed you normies are.
Learned nip so I could read Baldr Sky. Absolutely worth it, by the way.
一人の少年がとある少女に恋をします。
直接告白することはできず、なんとか彼女の電話番号を手にした彼は、変な電話番号にもあまり気にせず電話をかけるのですが、実は彼女も彼のことが大好きで、両思いだったのです。このことに気づいた彼は大喜びするのでした。
しかし翌日、彼が昨日のことについて話そうとすると彼女は困った顔をします。昨日彼が電話で話した相手は今彼の前にいるその女の子ではなかったのでした。実は、電話機の向こうの彼女はこの宇宙には存在していませんでした。彼女は並行世界の者だったのです。その並行世界では、逆に彼女が彼に片思いをしていたのですが、並行世界の自分は彼女のその思いに気づいていなかったのです。
何だかんだで、電話で知り合った二人はある取り引きをします。自分のもっとも深く、プライベートな秘密を分け合うことで、相手にいわゆる「並行世界の自分の必勝攻略法」を教え合うのです。
その作戦をもってそれぞれ好きな人を追いかけまわる間に、彼らは自分の世界よりも電話機の向こうの相手のことがもっと好きになってしまいます。お話はそういう恋の本質について問いかけます。
>>142215130
How long did you study for?
>>142215236
heh
>>142215310
2 years or so. Lots of trial and error, probably could have done it faster if I'd been smart.
>>142215349
Nice job.
>>142215349
Any advice for somebody who started with hiragana literally today?
>>142215236
Keit愛・ファインズ・エー・ウエー
>>142215236あなたはそれが存在するため、ということ書き込むのをやめるべきリマインダー。https://www.fictionpress.com/s/3206139/1/
>>142215421
Don't study a kanji until you see it in practice.
>>142215421
Same stuff they say in the DJT, really. Get Anki and grind it out. Then just find things you like and read your ass off. VNs work especially well because you can text hook and get translations without having to copy/paste.
I took some classes in college, too, and ended up minoring in it. The general advice is to stay away from formal classes, but I had a blast in mine and it helped take willpower out of the equation. YMMV though
>>142215236
方法を見つけます
>>142215630
Willpower isn't a problem for me, since I'm wired pretty deep with my own arrogance. Thanks for advice though. I'll be resuming tomorrow with renewed vigor.
>>142215421
For learning hiragana:
Look up the correct way to write each kana, and get a sheet of paper. Find some words in hiragana that you know how to pronounce (anime titles, KONNICHIWA, etc.) and practice writing them while saying them.
Associating よ with being the first kana in よつばと! is better than any mnemonic.
>>142215680
No problem. Just make sure to find ways to have fun with it. If you ever find it becoming a chore you should probably mix things up. Best of luck
>>142215236
まだ かんじは おぼえていないけど にほんごなんて すごいかんたん。
あとは かんじさえ おぼえれば かんぺきだ。
>>142215236
KEIT-AI WILL (FIND A WAY)
ANON SHALL (SPAM ON /a/)
LET ME OFF
THIS FUCKING RIIIIIIIIIIIIIDE
Q:
Let's say hypothetically Japanese and Chinese used the same syntax/grammar (I know they don't), since Kanji and Hanzi share many similarities, would a Japanese speaker and a Chinese speaker be able to communicate through their writing system despite them speaking different oral languages?
If that is true, then how the fuck do they reliably read things? As an English speaker, I use a phonetic writing system. When I'm reading something aloud to someone, if I'm unfamiliar with the word and am unsure of how to pronounce, I can simply sound it out and a lot of the times the person listening will know what word I'm trying to say. How would this work with Kanji/Hanzi? Can any language technically adopt Kanji/Hanz since the symbols represent ideas rather than sounds to make up words?
>>142218782
My japanese teacher who lived in japland for several years told me that japanese and chinese could reliably communicate most things by doodling on napkins. kanji and hanzi aren't similar, they're the exact same with the exception of a few japan-only kanji and several thousand advanced hanzi that japanese don't use, but most jouyou kanji have a hanzi equivalent and can be used to share ideas at the very least.
It's the same way with a mandarin speaker and a cantonese speaker, only that in that case the language is literally the same except for the spoken sounds, so a written letter will be good in any part of the country, but not so good if you try to read it out loud
Anyone who claims learning Japanese is easy is plain wrong.
Having to remember all that grammar and all those kanji is fucking boring.
>>142220389
this, i hate grinding and i have ADHD
>>142218782
Chinese here. Hanzi and the kanji counterparts mean the exact same thing, so in theory communication through writing is possible. There's also the problem of japanese kana that is used for grammar.
My dad made stop overs at Japan several times and said that he was able to understand most of the signage, but not speak it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiVs05yq9-o
Video somewhat related
>>142215236
Almost as cancerous as Gamergate.
