I'm reading HxH and just got to Kurapika and Uvogin's fight. Just how exactly is this shit even fair?
>>142174413
It's not, that the point.
>special fantasy race has special fantasy powers
It's not fair but that's how magic works.
It's kind of misleading anyway, he can get to 100% of his own personal ability cap as per the hexagon but that isn't max level in general.
>>142174413
Specialization is always broken for default in some way or another.
>>142174413
His most powerful abilities can only be used against his chosen enemy. Assuming he defeats them, the power that he's dedicated to those abilities is probably sacrificed.
That's why he was able to get such a powerful result when he made the skill -- it's very restrictive and risky.
>>142174413
Only Chain Jail is broken.
>>142174413
He can only kill 13 people with those powers.
>>142174413
He created his abilities specifically to kill the shit out of thirteen specific people, they won't be nearly as effective on the rest of the world.
The main cast in HxH is broken beyond belief. Gon, Killua, Kurapika and Leorio are all geniuses who learned and mastered nen in just a few months.
>He hasn't read the part that explains Emperor Time in detail, making it far less OP than it initially sounds
It's time to keep reading the manga OP
>>142174413
Can someone explain to me why Kurapika is always thought of as being feminine? He looks pretty damn manly to me.
>>142175074
>Gon, Killua, Kurapika and Leorio are all geniuses
One of those is not like the others. One of those doesn't belong. Do you know which?
>>142175139
personality wise, yeah, he is male af
but he is drawn in a feminine way
>>142175074
>Not one of those guys can use En
>masters
wut
>>142175074
And are still inferior to the majority of their peers, mentors and enemies. They lose all the fucking time, when they win it's usually a minor victory or thoroughly planned out in advance.
Do you think Leorio will make it to end of HxH... I feel like at some point he will die ... ;_;
>>142175279
Plot twist. Leorio is the only one of the original 4 left alive by the end of the manga and he is the sole protagonist of the final arc.
>>142175407
...and he defeated Hisoka instead Gon in the final chapters.
it would be mindblowing... Togashi tried something like this with YYH and the final tornament... it was ogre...
>>142175676
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holy fuck these threads are cancer, fuck right off to reddit.
>>142174413
Its not meant to be that is why Specialist are in a class of their own and cannot be properly categorized.
>>142175023
>>142175049
Retards only one of his skills is limited in use.
I don't get why people keep thinking all his abilities are only for the troupe.
We don't even know what his final chain does.
>>142175779
Chain Jail is the one people always complain about. The others are pretty simple in terms of power, though they can be used for really bullshit results like lie detection and location of items.
>>142175779
It's just as retarded to think that Pika is OP because he can use the other abilities on everyone.
>>142175868
I never said he is OP
But people need to stop thinking he can't do shit when facing other opponents.
His Emperor Time is still ridiculous
>>142175897
It's really not. That is if you've read the manga and know how it REALLY functions.
I've read the manga. Its still ridiculous
Not as ridiculous as the OP image assumes it to be but it lets him do things no other conjurer can do.
>>142175984
That's because he's more than a conjurer. Yes it still gives him an edge, but if it didn't then what would be the point? Pika still has to train just as much as anyone else to get better. It just lets him lift the handicaps once he's done all the hard work.
>>142176046
Again. No one said he never had to train.
Point is he can fight more than just troupe members with his abilities.
>>142176084
Aren't the Zoldycks also genetically strong anyway?
This world is supposedly huge. There should be tons of such families.
>>142174413
It's strong, but not nearly as OP as people seem to think. First of all, he still has to train and learn all the techniques normally, so he's putting in the same work as everyone else for each skill he trains in. On top of that, he only "unlocks" those extra skills when his eyes change, which requires a strong emotional feeling, a lot of energy, and can't be used that often or too long. Yeah, he gets all 5 types at once, but only in short bursts and he still has to actually train in them all. It's not even that much better than going all-in for whatever specialization he happens to have naturally, or going mostly-in for his natural one and partly-in on the two next to it. 80% of his training is going to be useless outside of "super mode", and 15% of it is also that conditional spider shit, he really only gets to use 5% of his power most of the time.
He's good, but not nearly broken.
Kurapika is a bad character.
>>142176084
He can fight more than just troupe members, but I don't see that as a problem as long as he's not nearly as OP when fighting other people. Pound for pound I'd still say both Gon is better than him along with everyone better than Gon, which is a good number of people.
>>142176217
I don't see Gon and Killua being better than him right now.
>>142176131
I don't think it was ever stated that the Zoldycks are genetically strong. They just have a unique and strict training regiment that makes them stronger. The Kurta are a different story entirely. They're possibly a subspecies of human [as those are confirmed to exist on the DC and thus are possibly from the DC themselves.]
>>142175984
His read-eyes makes him special like Gon and Kurapika which stems from their lineage.
And unlike Kurapika which focus all his nen abilities to capture and defeat and survive Spider at penalty of death.
Most nen-users don't and thats a big difference. And most nen-users build their abilities as wish fulfillment. Such Biscuits rejuvenation and Chrollos desire to get many abilities. The exemption of course are reinforcement types who just like to be strong.
>>142176278
Are you kidding? Killua literally counters Kurapika's entire ability set and Kurapika is yet to have physical feats that would put him as above Gon.
>>142176149
Your numbers are bullshit and he learned to switch his eyes red during his nen training.
Even so I agree he isn't OP. But with training he has immense potential.
>>142176278
Gon and Killua are the kind of people who train to crazy power levels overnight. Like, Killua developed an extremely powerful ability around turning his aura into electricity, and that was in a single night. They both have absolutely massive potential, it's silly powerful.
>>142176356
We have yet to see Kurapika since Yorknew be in any fights.
Kurapika with Emperor time took a full power shot from Uvogin.
Uvogin is in no way weaker than Gon.
Both Gon and Killua are still in the infancy of their nen. Killua can barely keep his lighting up and Gon only got Jajanken down and it still took too long to charge.
>>142176401
Yes they have ridiculous max potential. But that is potential in the future not NOW.
>>142176401
Killua learned to turn his nen into electricity over the course of a few days, but it was an ability years in the making due to his assassin training. As well it took him weeks more training on Greed Island to actually weaponize this ability.
He doesn't have control over when his eyes turn red, does he? Its just when hes emotional. Plus, iirc it leaves him very tired. Combined with the fact that its a special race-locked trait makes it pretty fair game.
The chain jail works on like 13/6billion people in the world.
>>142176357
He learned to switch his eyes... by forcing himself to get emotional.
He has huge potential, but yeah that's for pretty much every specialist, especially the ones where the specialization is "if you put in hard work, you get consistently stronger even past normal limits", which is what Kurapika has and to a smaller degree what Gon and Killua seem to have in the areas they focus in.
>>142176424
>Kurapika with Emperor time took a full power shot from Uvogin.
Which he block and the same time broke his arm.
>>142176424
>Kurapika with Emperor time took a full power shot from Uvogin.
You either haven't read the manga or have forgotten the details of that fight. Kurapika cannot sustain a full on hit from a Big Bang Impact. Kurapika was gearing up to dodge before the hit so he massively decreased the amount of damage he took. Had he tried to take it head on his spine would have snapped.
>>142176496
He learned to control how to turn his eyes red pretty early on. I think he demonstrated it for Gon, Killua, and Leorio during the auctions arc.
>>142176509
Yes he blocked it and ONLY got a broken arm.
Gon and Killua would have died if they got hit by Uvogin.
>>142176520
Yes anon. Point is
>Kurapika is yet to have physical feats that would put him as above Gon.
Which is incorrect clearly.
>>142176557
>Which is incorrect clearly.
How do you know? How do you know that Palace Invasion Gon wouldn't have gotten off with a broken arm from a massively decreased Big Bang Impact?
>>142176557
It wasn't just "blocked it", it was "he dodged a powerful attack, so only part of the full power hit him, and then he blocked the remaining part perfectly, used max nen to shield his arm, and it still completely ruined his arm". The only reason he survived was because he already had his chains set up, so he had as much free time as he needed to heal his arm and regenerate nen without needing to continue the fight. If it hit anything important like his head or body, it would have killed him instantly even though a maximum nen shield block.
Eh he's not that strong against anything apart from spiders and he'd be fucked against multiple spiders. Killua in chimera ant arc could probably kill him.
>>142175779
Chain Jail is the only one that's really broken since it forced people into a state where their nen was essentially turned off.
>>142176557
>Yes he blocked it and ONLY got a broken arm.
Because Uvo is not that fast and his vision was obstructed. He was basically just lashing out and Pika got hit. Besides thats the shot Uvo gave since Pika used his setsu anti-nen chain.
>Gon and Killua would have died if they got hit by Uvogin
Moot. Since they would have never fought.
Yet Gon and Killua already took on full power reinforcement attack and survive. So its a good chance they can survive one attack at least.
>>142176613
Palace invasion Gon could not even deal with Knuckle.
Just because Gon was mad doesn't mean he some how was more powerful than he actually was.
>>142176848
>Palace invasion Gon could not even deal with Knuckle.
Its been a while so correct me if Im wrong but wasn't the condition for Gon to coming was to defeat Knuckle.
>>142176971
And they failed, but they still let him go along afterwards.
>>142176971
Gon didn't defeat Knuckle.
Knuckle and Shoot brought Zombie Kite back to the city for them.
I wonder if Kurapica will kill Killua"s brother from the troupe.
What do you think about?
>>142175139
The adaptions.
>>142177030
Prob not. Kalluto is only there for personal reasons.
>>142177023
Yeah they only let them join afterwards because they kinda needed all the help they could get given their limited resources.
There are plenty of limitations that stop him being too strong but even if we conclude he's OP for the sake of discussion, can anyone actually say that his powers have ever hurt the story in any way? He could be all powerful but if all he does is political subterfuge and chase eyes off panel, his abilities don't affect the plot at all. The plot isn't just a series of power based match ups, the only time he seriously trashed an opponent it was a great scene that developed the story in a beneficial way.
>>142175139
He's meant to be HxH's Kurama.
>>142176848
Gon wasn't so much weaker than Knuckle that he couldn't knock him out with a well placed Jajanken. That being said it is true that Gon was never going to beat Knuckle, but the strength of Jajanken is telling of how good his Ko would be if used defensively. I don't see why Kurapika would be hitting harder than Knuckle either.
>>142175246
The majority of their peers are the strongest people in the world. I mean Gon got to Killua's level in a month or so, and that guy's one of the most dangerous assassins on earth.
Chairman election Leorio's probably stronger than one of the 10 beasts.
>>142177187
You realize Jajaken is weak because he needs to charge it and assume his opponent will just stand still.
Think about ALL the times he has ever used that skill and the circumstances around his opponents actually getting hit.
>>142177187
Man Gon's signature attack is so goddamn shit because he telegraphs the fuck out of it. Everyone with half a brain can see it coming from a mile away, even with the alternate forms they can infer that it'll have 3 versions since it's just a rock paper scissors attack from his chant.
>>142177220
That's not my point in bringing it up. My point is that it's strength shows that Gon can be respectably powerful when focusing his entire aura into one point. Gon's also covered the weakness of Jajanken a few times as well through clever use of strategy and other abilities. Beyond that, he can actually move while charging Jajanken.
>>142177140
>Common sense
>in /a/
SHUT THE FUCK UP AND LEAVE NOW
>>142177352
>Not having common sense
>Being a touhou
>>142177199
Knuckle and Shoot were just unimportant, low level hunters without stars who were still being mentored. The entire point of their fighting was to put Gon and Killua's relative lack of power in perspective, even if they're better than most people it doesn't matter because the people actually interacting with them are superior.
>>142177307
I don't recall him moving and using Jajanken. I know he can move and use paper/scissors. Both of which are weaker than jajanken.
The only reason Morel at less then 40% was weary of taking the Jajanken to the gut was because he told Gon he would just stand there and let him hit.
I'm not doubting how strong the hit actually is since he is concentrating his aura.
>>142177442
He moved while charging it during his fight with the Owl and Bat chimera ants. Morel also wasn't the only one sweating when Gon's Jajanken flared up that time.
>>142177030
I highly doubt it since he knows Kalluto had nothing to do with the massacre, but I'm sure he'd defend himself if Kalluto attacked.
>>142178550
WE'RE LOSING HIM
WHAT'S HIS PULSE? DAMMIT, HIS PULSE, NOW!
>>142177418
i wouldnt say it was a power imbalance, but an experience one. Gon and Killua are kids that had super undeveloped techniques compared to the significantly older and practiced professionals
>people still thinks Kurapika isn't OP
>can heal a broken arm in an instant
>chain jail for the spiders
>can locate most people with his powers
>lie detector
>emperor time
>JUDGEMENT CHAIN
>>142178774
Fuck you I chuckled.
>>142179005
>Implying Judgement Chain can work on people not in zetsu
You're a funny one anon.
>>142179005
Any good battle specialist will slap the shit out of him.
Try healing when your skull has a hole the size of your leg.
>>142179483
Except it can you nerd
>>142179743
Name me one time when Judgement chain was used on someone not either forced into zetsu or in a situation where they would willingly be in zetsu. Nay, name me a time when Kurapika even attempted to use Judgement Chain on someone who would have had their nen defenses up at the time.
>>142179813
That's retarded.
He's used it twice in the manga. Doesn't mean he can't use it otherwise. He has never stated any rule about it needing Zetsu. That is you speculating.
>>142180008
It's called subtlety anon. Kurapika has used Judgement Chain 3 times and considered using 3 other times and all six of these instances fall under the criteria I laid out.
Ask yourself this. If Judgement Chain is as powerful as you say, don't you find it odd that Kurapika only uses it as sparingly as he does? Why doesn't he just abuse the hell out of it? Now think beyond even that. The condition for using Judgement Chain is that Kurapika be in Emperor Time, but as we learned in Yorknew, this a skill he learned to control. If that's the case, then why don't you think everyone is walking around with abilities of Judgement Chain's nature? If it's that easy to make an execute then there should be "Judgment Chain" users around every corner. But you don't see them. Why do you think that is? It's because it's not as OP as you think and the true,clear, and logical answer has been staring you in the face the entire time. Togashi just decided to "show" it instead of "tell" it.
>>142180179
What sort of retarded backward logic are you trying to use here?
Why don't we see more people using nen with the properties of rubber and gum? Hisoka seems to be man handling people with it in public no less.
Nen takes form depending on the user and yes his Judgement chain cannot be used willy nilly but NOTHING says he needs the enemy to be under zetsu to use it. That is your argument and its false.
The enemy does however need to be off guard or incapacitated to use it properly both of which can happen without Zetsu.
This is also Yorknew Kurapika we are talking about. We do not know how his training has progressed in the months since then.
>>142180179
>Why doesn't he just abuse the hell out of it?
Judgement Chain is his last resort anon. You don't see shounen protags using their strongest moves all of the time don't you?
>If that's the case, then why don't you think everyone is walking around with abilities of Judgement Chain's nature? If it's that easy to make an execute then there should be "Judgment Chain" users around every corner.
Judgement Chain requires the use of Manipulation, Emission, and Conjuration at the same time which is fucking impossible unless you're from Kurapika's clan.
Did Hisoka honestly think he could take on Netero in the hunter exams, or did he just not give a fuck?
>>142180499
He didn't give a fuck.
He just wants to fight strong people.
>>142180316
>Why don't we see more people using nen with the properties of rubber and gum? Hisoka seems to be man handling people with it in public no less.
You've missed the point entirely. The point isn't that there aren't enough people copying Judgement Chain, it's that there aren't people with abilities just as powerful as Judgement Chain. It's true that nen abilities take form based on the user, but there's nothing particular about Judgement Chain that would warrant it being as powerful as you think it is. Bungee Gum is not in the same category. Bungee Gum is an incredibly simple ability. It's only good on Hisoka because he knows how to improvise with it so well. There's no real incentive to make something of its nature. Judgement Chain is different however. If what you're saying is true, then something of it's nature is low hanging fruit. You don't need to be skilled to use it because it works on everyone. I'm not calling foul and saying that everyone should have the exact same ability as Judgement Chain. But competitive nature dictates that everyone should be walking around with something just as powerful if what you say is true.
>The enemy does however need to be off guard or incapacitated
In what way could this be done without the opponent having their nen down? If you caught while they were sipping coffee, they'd be in zetsu. If they were knocked out, they'd be in zetsu. It all still points to Judgement Chain being ineffective against those with their nen defenses up.
>This is also Yorknew Kurapika we are talking about. We do not know how his training has progressed in the months since then.
You're the one speculating now anon.
>>142180552
see
>>142180405
Just stop
>>142180552
Yorknew clearly shows that hunters/nen users are not in Zetsu when they are fucking casually doing anything. Matter of fact Killua stated being in Zetsu while tailing the troupe members was a stupid idea since they would feel that.
>>142180405
>Judgement Chain is his last resort anon
How? Kurapika isn't the type to skimp on something this OP. He's not stupid. If he has the ability to bend any and everyone to his whim you're damn right he's going to use it. Do you honestly believe he holds back on it because of something as baseless as a shounen cliche. You're more off base than the other guy.
>Judgement Chain requires the use of Manipulation, Emission, and Conjuration at the same time which is fucking impossible unless you're from Kurapika's clan.
That's just so it can be used at range. I'm not saying that everyone should have abilities EXACTLY like judgement chain. What I'm saying is that if sticking something in someone's body and forcing you to their whim is this easy, then you should see abilities that implement his kind of rule all the time. Bringing up things about the range of said ability is just shifting the goalpost.
>>142180499
Netero is good at hiding his aura.
>>142180674
>Yorknew clearly shows that hunters/nen users are not in Zetsu when they are fucking casually doing anything.
Then they're using Ten, but as stated in Heaven's Arena Ten is pretty useless against defending physical nen attacks. In the wake of a nen attack (Judgement Chain), being in Ten might as well mean you're defenseless.
>>142180704
Nen is based on the user. You can't just fucking make up an ability willy nilly. The only reason Kurapika has multiple chains he can use the way he can is thanks to Emperor Time.
Pitou can make puppets out of corpes aka controlling people
Lion King ant could use other peoples nen abilities
It just depends on their personalities and how the nen takes form.
>>142180894
You're still avoiding the main question. "If an ability that can make such strict rules on another person so that death will befall them if they disobey requires so few restrictions to make, then why doesn't everyone have such a skill?" That is the question. What form this theoretical ability takes based on the theoretical user is superficial as far as this question is concerned.
>>142174413
Keep reading, he explains emperor time in a later chapter.
>>142181062
There is no actual way to answer your hypothetical. All nen abilities thus far have been unique.
Nothing states others can do what Kurapika can do. He straight up said that chain only works in Emperor Time.
>>142176159
>>142180316
>Yorknew
Not him but kill yourself 2011 shitter
>>142181230
>He straight up said that chain only works in Emperor Time
Because of the unique way he has decided to apply the ability. Emperor Time is necessary because Judgement Chain involves use of Manipulation, Emission, and Conjuration in order for it to be usable at range and that the chain around the victim's heart can b separate from Kurapika's body. Him being in Emperor Time means nothing in relation to his ability to impose these iron clad rules so easily. Again, how a hypothetical user goes through the actual killing process is unknowable due to the uniqueness of the user, but the mere ability to kill someone for disobeying you this easily should be ripe for abuse in one way or another if it's the way you say.
>All nen abilities thus far have been unique
Not true. Ging was able to imitate both of Leorio's nen abilities. There's no such thing as nen ability patents that mean that once you make an ability, another person can't come along and make something like it. The difficultly of this feat depends on the simplicity of the ability though.
Kuroro fought against the Zoldick patriarchs that could keep up with the Ants.
There's no way Hisoka can win except if you're delusional.
>>142181329
Are you retarded? No one calls it Yorkshin
>>142181478
>Ging was able to imitate both of Leorio's nen abilities
You say this like we know anything about what Ging's actual nen can do and if its related to it or not.
Let along Leorio's nen
>>142177140
>can anyone actually say that his powers have ever hurt the story in any way?
No because he's hardly been in the story since Nen became a thing.
>>142181478
>Him being in Emperor Time means nothing in relation to his ability to impose these iron clad rules so easily.
And how is someone else going to use an ability with similar rules to Kurapika? The reason it works for him is because of Emperor time. The fact he can place a dagger in your heart/maybe your brain and detach it there is what makes judgement chain so strong.
This is only possible thanks to Emperor time. Perhaps there is someone out there that can do something similar but as it stands only Kurapika can do it.
>>142181727
Ging himself said that he can imitate nen abilities if they're simple enough and that his ability to do it so easily was a talent. He didn't make it seem like there was something special about his own nen that allowed him to do this.
Uvo's BB attack and Gon's rock are the same right? Are non enhancers able to concentrate their aura like that as well?
>>142181834
Which further proves my point that its not something anyone can do.
>>142181873
I'm sure they can just not in the form of a physical attack like enhancers since it wouldn't be up to par.
>>142180704
The reason he's not using Judgement Chain with Chain Jail is because a person's body is hard to pierce when being protected by Nen and he's not sure if he can hit his enemy with it.(considering the speed of Nen users in HxH)
It's totally fair since he gonna die.
>>142181696
Everyone called it that before 2011, make the math.
>>142182348
Yeah and no one called it that for the last 5 years. People learned
Just like we're replacing the old manga scans with the new ones
>>142174528
>His own ability cap allows him to withstand Uvogin strongest punch with just a mangled arm
Um no.
>>142182413
Yorkshin is literally it's name, yorknew it just stupid translation. Do we translate cities names in real life? No we don't.
>>142182413
Yorknew is wrong, though. You wouldn't "translate" ヨークシン
>>142177030
Kurapika is only angryat the ones who were there.
>>142182595
It's a shame he wasn't there.
>>142182636
Why?
>>142181237
>Or my client's son ever again.jpg
>>142181478
>but the mere ability to kill someone for disobeying you this easily should be ripe for abuse in one way or another if it's the way you say.
Wasn't Welfin's ability like this? He could ask you something and if you lied or said no, you were killed. The only way to win was to attack him ignoring his commands/questions.
Abilities like that probably have very high risk.
>>142176711
Killuafags are retarded.
>>142183293
Also Missile Man didn't kill instantly, he had to ask a question first to load a round. There were a lot of holes in the sequence where you could derail his plans. Kurapika's ability is a lot more straight forward in that sense
>>142174413
>Just how exactly is this shit even fair?
is not fair during the fight itself, he does suffer a lot after if he pushes Emperor Time for too long
>>142174528
>but that isn't max level in general.
but. it is. in ET he 100% all 5. Nen and he NEEDS em to use all the chains except the Ball chain
>>142175779
Cause jail chain is hte only broken one.
Ball is standard fight
Cross is natural enhancer regeneration
the Sword one he needs to aim to the heart nad shit, a feat really complicated on a target that can move and dodge
The problem most people seem to have with Emperor Time is that they think it makes Kurapika a master of the other categories. Efficiency and skill are two different parts.
How they think it works:
>100, 80, 60, 60, 40 -> Emperor Time -> 100,100,100,100,100
How it actually works:
>100, 64, 36, 36, 16 -> Emperor Time -> 100, 80, 60, 60, 40
Pretty powerful, but it's not some omnipotent force. Don't forget that Uvo's Big Bang Impact would have still crippled or killed ET Kurapika if it hit his torso or head.
>>142176131
>Aren't the Zoldycks also genetically strong anyway?
not genetically, just trained specially since birth.
>>142176401
>Like, Killua developed an extremely powerful ability around turning his aura into electricity, and that was in a single night
it took Killua like 1 week-10 days before hte GI exam. HE ACTUALLY ELECTROCUTs himself every time he uses it. but due to his training to endure torture he dont gives a fuck. and he got to do it cause same training he got memorized to the bone the Characteristics of electricity and how it works
it took him GI to think a bit how to properly use it in a fight
and was not till the last past of Chimera Ants he actually developed real skill around it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEKS5MRlLLA
>>142174413
100% of his own maximum capacity in every category?
So does that mean some who specialize in, let say enhancer category could overpower Kurapika in that category?
If he/she had a larger nen flow rate or aperture?
>As an Enhancer he's supposed to the best at strength and speed, but his Transmuter friend is the one tearing heads off and going incomprehensibly fast
Why is Gon so underwhelming?
Why did he develop a hatsu with a limitation that vastly outweighs any power up it gives?
>>142184188
Because he's stupid.
>>142183932
Funny, in the manga the narrator says that the damage done to Youpi is barely any but that the shock and speed let Killua do something.
Here it seems like he was kicking Youpi's ass.
>>142184328
youpi was reacting to the impact, but in the sense of damage, yeah, next to nothing.
even if he were damaged youpi has broken regeneration
>>142184188
>>As an Enhancer he's supposed to the best at strength and speed, but his Transmuter friend is the one tearing heads off and going incomprehensibly fast
remember Nen is a multiplier of basic skills
and basic skills wise Killua outclass gon.
also Transmuter is next to Enhancers ,so Killua can also tap into that at 80%
>>142184418
Too bad he couldn't regenerate from radiation poison
>>142176149
>On top of that, he only "unlocks" those extra skills when his eyes change, which requires a strong emotional feeling, a lot of energy, and can't be used that often or too long.
He can turn his eyes red whenever he wants now, speedreader.
>>142174413
It's not fair, but it happened the same way this happened.
>>142174413
Being able to use every Nen category at 100% it's not neccessarily broken, it just means you have less restrictions at the time of making up techniques. The point of Nen is tailoring the abilities to yourself to get maximum power efficiency. Kurapika just gets to have a more complete toolbox, that's unfair but not neccessarily broken or invincible.
>>142183840
>>100, 64, 36, 36, 16
Where are you getting these numbers from
>>142184012
Yeah, theoretically a natural enhancer with more aura than Kurapika could make better enhancing abilities than Kurapika.
Uvogin was stronger than Kurapika, Kurapika won thanks to his other abilities and the fact that he misled Uvogin to think he was a controller.
Why is conjuration so superior to other Nen categories? Conjurated objects can have a lot of weird properties, and on top of that you can even make them invisible.
Compared to control, for example, if Kurapika were a controller he would have to use actual, real chains, and he would be fucked if they were broken. He couldn't give them special abilities like the healing chain and he would have to carry them around with him all the time.
Transmutation is a limited version of conjuration, and emmision is just ki blasts and basic stands. Control is far inferior than conjuration unless you want to manipulate people. It seems that every other type sucks, or maybe Togashi just likes it more and didn't flesh out the other types as much as he did with conjuration?
>>142185774
Conjuration was supposed to be the toughest nen type to master but Togashi kind of dropped that idea and just threw wacky powers at us instead.
>>142185853
I'm not even sure what's the difference anymore. For example, Nen beasts like Razor's devils or the two gorillas supposedly are Emmision abilities, but what's exactly stopping a conjurer from making a Nen beast?
>>142185853
>Conjuration was supposed to be the toughest nen type to master
It is still like that though
Kurapika was forced to spend all of his free time around chains in order to learn how to conjure them properly.
Now think about someone like Bonolenov or Feitan. How did they learn to materialize such elaborate suits of armor or a giant rock that looks like Jupiter?
>>142185981
Nothing. Abegane does it. But a conjuration hatsu that operates separate from the user will draw upon emission, a conjurer's weakest field.
>>142185853
Not really. Kurapika and Knov are the only ones so far who have developed actually decent conjuring abilities.
>>142185774
Morau is the best nen user and he doesn't use conjuration at all.
>>142185774
Feitan's a transmuter though.
>>142186070
>But a conjuration hatsu that operates separate from the user
Doesn't all of conjuration hatsu operate separate from the user. Once you make the object, it's done and it can be away from your body without problems.
>>142186142
Yeah but you take away his pipe and he's fucked. That wouldn't happen if he were a conjurer.
>>142186161
There's probably a large difference in the toll of conjuring an inert object versus a complicated, active hatsu now that I think about it. Like Kortopi's fakes versus Kurapika's Judgement Chain.
>>142182413
There is absolutely no reason to call it Yorknew, it is specifically written as Yorkshin in all media except Viz and Crunchyroll's butchered romanizations.
>>142185774
>Why is conjuration so superior to other Nen categories? Conjurated objects can have a lot of weird properties, and on top of that you can even make them invisible.
a) cause depending on the skill there are several rules applied to em.
b) its only "invisible" if you dont use Gyo on your eyes. which anyone with combat experience does unless they get tricked hard
>>142183438
Hisokafags are worse
>>142186161
>, it's done and it can be away from your body without problems.
the distance it can be away from your body makes it weaker, unless there are special rules in charge for it.
>>142186277
see for Example Kurtopi skill is not create anything he needs to have the real object and touch it with his right hand and shit. he likely has an as broken Nen pool too make 40 + buildings copies tho.
>>142186291
>its only "invisible" if you dont use Gyo on your eyes. which anyone with combat experience does unless they get tricked hard
Does Gyo work on objects with In? Uvogin was unable to see the chains until it was too late, and I doubt he was retarded enough to not use Gyo, he had aura to spare.
>>142186277
So, Emmission can do more complex shit like the gorillas or Potclean? Things that can act out by themselves?
>>142186829
he got confident after he semi nuked Kurapikas arm and didnt realize Kurapika could use EN too (I think EN is the invisible one)
>>142186869
>Things that can act out by themselves?
nothing can act by itself, the rules will be too complex to do. maybe follow sinple order, see 13 Black Child from the Nostrade Family guy that used balloon fighter, or Mauren Smoke Dolls
>>142187010
>he got confident after he semi nuked Kurapikas arm and didnt realize Kurapika could use EN too (I think EN is the invisible one)
It's IN that makes nen invisible.
