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Mangastream Vs. Fallen Angels
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Time for your weekly dose of Scanlation Drama. This is their reply after being asked why they are also scanlating Boku No Hero Academia.
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>>142110067
Told you all the time about niggerstream.
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Niggerstream is right though, scanlation groups that bitches when other groups "steal" their projects are retarded.
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>>142110347
How ironic, considering that they also bitch about their projects being stolen as well.
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>Exagerated cursing

Are they serious?
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>>142110067
>exaggerated cursing
>wrong lines
>other bullshit

This fuckin' shits can only be kingin' my kong.
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>>142110335
>niggerstream.

I don't really understand this meme
Maybe its because the only weird phrasing I notice is in Bleach, but none of it seems like how a black person would actually talk in real life.
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>>142110067
Did mangastream post that? Because they do all the things they listed.
>shit quality
>wrong translation
>exaggerated cursing
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>niggers complaining about excessive cursing
wew
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>>142110831
Because you're a newfag that wasn't around when Niggerstream went all niggerstream mode
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>>142110067
>Fallen Angels

It's not the group the group that sell out for a little money?
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>Ain't no shame in Kingin' like Kong sometimes
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>>142111253
Yep, the readmanga cucks.
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>>142110067
>pot calling the kettle black
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>>142110067
Scanlator drama makes me feel nothing OP. What's the emotional response I should be experiencing right now?
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>>142111615
Laughter
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>>142111615
Arousal mixed with a slight fear of the unknown.
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>>142110831
You gotta be learnin' how to king like kong, anon.
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>>142110067
>>142110593
Scanlation (and fansub) is an illegal practice that allow the translation of a media without licensing. No one got the rights to a serie in scanlation, so infighting between scanlators is retarded beyond retardation.

Only someone holding the rights for a serie is allowed to bitch at scanlators.
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>>142111615
Contempt for humanity.
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>>142110067
so what shitty series are they nagging about now?
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They're complaining about stuff they do, but they're not wrong about being able to translate as well like >>142110347 said
It's not like series are the first translator's own IPs
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>read manga
>suddenly water marks start popping up all over
>full color water marks
>REEE WHAAA WHAAA WHAAA THEY STOLE OUR MANGA MANGAFOX STOLE OUR MANGA WAHAHHHHHHHH MUH OC DO NOT STEAL SCANLATIONS NOOOOOO HOW COULD THEY STEAL WHAT WE STOLE FIRST REEEE
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>>142112502
What's that image about?
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>>142113185
Chinese guy goes to Africa, sees its a shit hole and says so
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>>142112000
Boku No Hero Academia
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I think I never read any MS related series, what are they doing, endless shounen stuff? The drama is fun though, hope the other scan fags respond to that and it gets out of control.
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>>142110067
> This is what Niggerstream actually believes Oda meant
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>>142113185
there is a YouTube documentary about Chinese helping build an African country.

watch it.
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Fansub/scangroup drama is all stupid bullshit and discussing it is a giant waste of time.
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>>142113832
True, but we're kinda discussing Niggerstream's hypocrisy and self-contradictions here instead of the actual scan drama.
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>>142113825
Empire of dust?
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>>142111095
I've been using mangastream for the past 5 years or so

>>142111859
Yeah like I said Bleach has some awful examples, but that's not how a black person would talk. I even joke about about some of their translations with black weeb friends and they're just as confused by the shit they put in as /a/ is.
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>>142115728
That's the one
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>>142111863
That is a retarded position. Usually scanlation started as a community where people would help each other and basically work together to bring shit faster and better.

Somewhere when online readers started this type of camaraderie in the community die off and then what used to be a non written rule of scanlation (that didn't came from camaraderie but rather from assets allocation, you didn't want to lose time of a translator/editor/etcetc into a series that had an active scanlation scene.

Now that is fucking rampant, and for what? The clicks, the ads, the money or just the fucking E-peen. And Niggerstream are among the worse in this kind of behavior even when they were called Binkitopia or even years before that. They were always the niggers that jump on a series's popularity and start scanlating from wherever they fucking wanted because the series was now popular enough to generate whatever they were going after (clicks/money/fans) and shit on the work of the previous scanlators that basically took the time to treat the garden and allow the series to grow and develop a western fanbase.

Fuck you, you are just another enabler of this shit tier practices.
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>>142116159
How does having more options for translations hurt you or anyone?
Competition like this will force both groups to get better while the reader benefits.
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>>142116301
This isn't the free market, neither groups own rights to this shit. Nor they should gain any money from it. Also this only hurts series since the original translators may leave a project because someone is already doing it and then when Binkitopia/Niggerstream decides that the series they are picking up isn't worthy anymore then a series can stuck in Limbo for months.

This happen to Vinland Saga when Binkitopia decided to start scanlating it (WITH TERRIBLE RESULTS thanks to the obvious issue of using TOPAZ on a manga series that is highly dependable of tones that aren't WSJ tier) Hox dropped Vinland and then Kiketopia decided to also drop Vinland, which up to that point had an active scanlator that didn't miss a single issue in years and then suddenly we had a terrible looking chapter that was never remade that STILL look like fucking ass thanks to the overuse of TOPAZ and got like 2 months before Hox decided to pick up the series again.

And now the niggers are up to it again and deciding to increase their e penis by translating more popular manga.

If they were actual fans they would work on shit that isn't already translated and doesn't have an active group working on it, they are the one of primal actors of destroying the little sense of community there was in the scanlator scene.
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>>142116301
It can go both ways

>both want to be the first to release the chapter
Congratulations, now you have two rushed shitty releases full of errors instead of a good one

>both bitch about stealing lines and delay their release because of fansub drama
Congratulations, hope you can wait a little longer
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>>142115942
Thanks.
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>This thread
>Scanlators
>shounengarbage
>mangafags
There's a simple solution here folks.
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>>142117092
>mangafags
What?
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>Fallen Angels start to translate Boku no Hero Akademia
>It gets an anime
>It gets popular
>MangaStreamer decides that it wants to be part of that
>translates right in the middle
>tells FallenAngels to drop the series so that they have the monopoly
>fallen angels say no
>Manga Streamer gets a ragefit that rivals those of triggered femnazis

what
the
fuck
dude
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>>142117739

Typical niggerstream, really.
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>>142117092
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>>142117891
you do realize that with such cheap prices, she is bound to be crap and ridden with STD's that even a condom wouldnt protect you from.

Enjoy your herpes from the kisses.
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>>142117943

>anything else: negotiable

Naizuri all day long.
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>>142110067
Aren't Fallen Angels that shitty scanlation group that literally sold out to that shitty chinese website to release their shitty releases there first?
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>>142110067
>This is their reply after being asked why they are also scanlating Boku No Hero Academia.
Good. It's a proper reply. As much as I hate niggerstream, what I hate the most is entitled cum guzzling groups thinking they have any right whatsoever or monopoly on a manga.
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>>142116587

My heart hurt when that happened to akame ga kill. Psylocke dropped both the main series and the zero series when MS picked it up.

It makes my ass sore as fuck that MS's scans are always so crisp and clear, but the editing is always hot garbage aimed at 15 year old dropouts.
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>>142118530
The scans are not good though
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>>142110831
I thought that name was because they kill the tones so much that everyone looks like a nigger.
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>scanlation drama
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>>142118738

Compared to the grainy, blurry, poorly-leveled shit most groups have to work with, it's manna from heaven.
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>>142118530
>MS's scans are always so crisp and clear
They look like shit anon. All they do is run them through Topaz filters with jacked up settings. This is especially apparent when you have a series with official scans to compare it to.
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>>142118530
>MS's scans are always so crisp and clear
As crisp and clear as a black canvas.

>inb4 t-the scans are bad!
They can't get it right even when they're given digital raws. They will always make everything unnecessarily dark and continue pretending small English words are equivalent to furigana hidden messages.
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>Their quality is crap
Niggerstream's contrast is way too fucking low and while some shading looks better that way, it also obscures a lot of the detail and line work. This is blatant in both Bleach and Hero Academia.
FA goes a little too far in the other direction but I prefer the clarity of image to the darker shading.
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>>142119363
Wow, I'm amazed.
Why bother putting it through Topaz when the raws look fine?
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>>142119363
That shit happens because Niggastream have a set of PS actions with TOPAZ and they basically don't clean the pages without those actions and never had. This is why series that have more contrasts and details are completely lost in their nigger work.
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>>142119981
Because their editors don't give a flying fuck. They get the raws and treat every single one the same way no matter if the series has more subtle tones than the usual WSJ series NS usually does.
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>>142119363
Im certain they did this simply so they didnt have to redraw the scales.
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Fallen Angle was alright, they "localized" a lot Bakugo's words, but overall they did a decent job.

However FA is slow as shit and sometimes Viz would beat their releases. FA shouldn't bitch when a speed sub pick up a series, no one wants to wait upwards of 4 days to read a scanlation.

If FA wants to continue to be relevant, they should focus on being the quality scanlator, since they certainly wasn't the speediest.
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>>142119363
Holy shit
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>>142120155
Speed: NS
Quality: Viz

FA is irrelevant
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Pleas don't tell me people on /a/ actually use niggerstream.
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>>142121130
Speed scans and unfortunately they are the only ones that do some series.
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>>142121130
The alternative is JP>CH>KR>EN tumblr tier scanlations that come weeks later. Worse, for series like TG you always lose even if you read nip and buy the magazine the day it's released because NG gets the chapters illegally 1 week before it's sold in stores.
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>>142121130

Fairy Tail only, and even that has been a chore to read lately.
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>manga stream calling somebody else out for exaggerated cursing
You what
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>>142121130
Bleach and fairy tail aren't worth waiting for quality scanlations
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>>142110067
well what is wrong with another group doing a translation?
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>>142121130
For weekly series yeah, unless I forget and somebody posts the English WSJ version.
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>>142121734
I dont believe there are groups doing either of them.
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>>142121734
Then why even read it?
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>>142121767
There are official releases that are available for free almost immediately.
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>>142120155
>>142120565
t. kingers of kongs
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>>142116159
>and for what? The clicks, the ads, the money
Are you really going to fault a group for trying to get their shit popular? Yeah, they're piggybacking off popular shit. But the group who picked it up first has absolutely no moral ground to stand on either. They're doing it for the clicks too.

You're acting like people are out here breaking copyright law or something when everyone's really as at fault as the others.
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>translate, provide raws, edit and typeset on my free time
>pick chapters I feel like picking up whenever a group is being retarded or there is no group so that /a/ can talk about the chapter or manga
>don't use a name, don't have a site, never credit myself

>any year
>not doing it for free
>complicating what should be a fun hobby with unnecessary drama for profit and recognition

Maybe I'm the weird one.
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>>142122042
>Are you really going to fault a group for trying to get their shit popular?
By their shit you mean themselves? Yes. The point of scanlation never was to make money of it or even become famous or whatever but rather to bring anime/manga that wasn't able on English and wouldn't because the chances of localization were next to 0.

> But the group who picked it up first has absolutely no moral ground to stand on either. They're doing it for the clicks too.
While I agree that most modern groups are also build on this retarded notion, a lot of groups still hold up the "values" of the old scanlation scene where this was a hobby made to facilitate people access to new series/authors that wouldn't be able on English.

While a lot of groups decide what to scan based on what is popular (Niggastream being the worse offenders of this) not all groups act like that and some even are responsible for a series to actually be successful in the western fanbase thanks to exposure.

Something years as an scanlator has give me is that is a huge lie that "someone else will do it" when you are talking about new series, specially when talking of manga series that doesn't come from Weekly Shonen Jump (and some years ago I would also have named Magazine, Young and Sunday).

I would give the benefit of doubt to a group that does this shit once or maybe even twice, but Niggastream has a constant record of doing the same shit even when they were called Binkitopia back in 2006.
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>>142122555
No anon you aren't, believe me there are still a lot of people like you in the scanlation hobby is just that some of the heads of certain scanlation groups are fucking retarded and thrive on drama because THEY WANT TO BE RECOGNIZE or whatever and they have lost completely the meaning on why people give their own time to translate/edit/whatever a series in the first place.
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>>142122555
you're not alone
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>>142122674
Niggastream
Jaminis Shill

What am I missing?
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>>142110067
fallen angels use watermarks?
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>>142122823
>Jamini
You should be grateful, they are doing it FOR FREE
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>>142113704
>that fucking watermark

man, i hate those faggots so much.
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>>142123025
I think they also put watermarks on OPM chapters, which is digital.
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exaggerated cursing is dumb though

seeing fuck all the time in boku no hero feels wrong
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>>142123001
So, niggastream get paid for it?
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>>142122555
God himself blessed out best boy with trips.

Keep up the good work anon, if you are the weird one I will be wierd with you
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>>142123211
Ad money
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>>142122555
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>>142122823
>Jamini
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>>142123211
Ad money, that is why they stopped adding downloads to their shit and build an online reader and basically started to watermark their shit.
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>>142110067

>make good points
>have to drown it in name calling and bitching

why are people doing things like that
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>>142123001
While I am not against group asking for donations, god knows I understand their situation, if they can't afford the servers there are ways to deliver shit by free without issues. The only uphold cost are the raw magazines and the shipping cost if they don't have a raw provider from Japan (which by now most scanlators have or someone in some weird western bookstore that get the magazines days before is even out in Japan)
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>>142123001
>still 15 chapters behind
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>>142123544
>Edgeneki Avatar
Wew lad
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>>142123493
Because scanlators are egotistical drama queens.
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>>142123339
>Guess who is going to release the next chapter faster
>two chapters behind
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>>142123645
He just woke up, no bully.
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>>142122555
that's me
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>No kewl0210
This scanlation drama is shit
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>>142123493
if it wasn't niggerstream calling FA on their so specific bullshit, people wouldn't care

it's funny because its niggerstream talking shit like
>exaggerated cursing
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>>142123493
It is niggastream m8, they don't get to call the kettle black.
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>>142110067
thats all?
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>>142123722
I'd drop it too if I were them. 6 people working on each chapter and they can't even do it better than some guy working alone. Then again Jaimini's Cancer has no shame so no surprises there.
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>scanlation drama
Make scanlation great again. Build Firewall for drama queens rebuild Mangahelpers and deport all the niggastremers.
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>>142124002

have kekstream complained about other scanlation teams doing "their" manga before?
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>>142123339
F A G G O T
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>>142121734
They aren't even worth reading.
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>>142124186
No because they are the big shark in the tank right now, so they usually eat the competition but mostly because most of their staff is under the payroll. They are the ones usually "stealing" the projects of other scanlators.
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>>142110067
>mangastream complaining about quality on translations

My sides just gone outer space.
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>>142110067
Niggerstream is in the right.
Fuck cunty groups who think they own shit they're pirating.
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>>142121790
Stockholm
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>>142124454
As far as I know, FA never said they owned it.
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>>142113704
Niggerstream are unsung heroes
Laughter-inducing shit in a world of slow unreliable scanlators
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>>142121130
Usually I rely on translation threads or wait but sometimes NS is there first
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>>142124454
They are right but still is fun see them talking about wrong translations
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>>142122555
No Anon. Your type (even with the added pages/open letters apologizing for inexperience/low quality) are the best.

Nice trips.
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>>142124592
I will never understand this bullshit mentality. I remember the state of the fandom back in 2000 When Toriyama World were scanlating manga that was a year/2 years behind Japan and people were CREAMING their pants because it was only a year/2 years away.

Now people complain that a group can't release a manga chapter after 4 days of being released in Japan or in some cases 3-4 days before the magazine is even sold in Japan.

Sometimes I hate this reality where shit tier scanlators like Niggastream are reliable only because of their speed and people don't judge them on their rest of their "merits" like people usually did with Toriyama World.
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>>142110067

Why do faggots have to fuck everything up with their drama?

>read translated manga
>end page details some bullshit drama about why they're not doing it anymore

>go to streaming website/twitch page
>everyone constantly butthurt at each other for no reason

>go to any forum
>drama everywhere, people getting banned

>go to any chatroom
>people screaming at each other about stupid shit

>video game community
>tearing itself apart because the devs are incompetent fuckoffs that ban dissenting opinions

>private tracker
>butthurt at critical mass and about to collapse into a black hole

Fucking everywhere with this crap. I swear it used to not be like this.
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>>142124798
Weekly shit is nice to stay on top of. There are also a lot of series that are scanlated on and off or just dropped into nonexistence.

I don't use NS frequently but when a group like Casanova falls behind I'm just glad that shit exists. Of course they're going to get back on top of it eventually but until they do I'll take a shitty translation over nothing.
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>>142124974
Casanova dropped iSouma and Haikyuu because of NS, they are dead now
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>>142125077
Well that's fucking Casanova's problem.
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>>142124974
My problem is that usually back in the day groups like NS would have been seen as Terminal Cancer. The mentality back in those days were completely different from what is going on now, currently the scene seems to be rampant in competition and "disloyalty".

I used to "work" for several scanlators editing several series under several aliases but I found disturbing the little help outside of the groups most groups got or provided. It was like a cultural shift from people that were passionate about the same thing and wanted to help everyone to be able to improve themselves on edition/translation/typesetting whatever in order to help making more manga available in english.

Now is like a competition to the bottom taking the fun out of something that isn't (and shouldn't) be driven by profit or egos.

Sometimes I wonder if the scene can go any lower but then I remember that Niggastream is arguably the larger scanlation group that makes money out of their illegal translations and that basically steal popular projects left and right to keep the ad revenue high.
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The only problem with nigga stream is when they pick up flavor of the month projects usually because of an anime season and then drop it after the other group dies.

It's very clear by the speed of their release which then grinds to a halt once the competition is gone.
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>>142125630

>Just according to keikaku

It's all Daiz's masterplan.
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>>142122555
I do the same thing
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>>142125630
Which manga?
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>>142125077
>>142125103
Yes it is but it is also undeniable why they close down after years of working without problems outside some delays on weekly manga.

I saw it happen several times. Translator of a popular series (that is what drives the views and interest of the translators and sometimes editors) gets discouraged that a bigger group decided to do the same projects as them and see eventually that their stuff is being read by less and less people and editors and others are losing interest in being on the group and eventually the translator leaves and then the whole group goes under.

As a group NS is responsible of releasing more reliable (and faster) chapters than cassanova but they also basically push them down the cliff. And with them it went all the other projects Nigga stream didn't pick up including a project a lot of SnS readers where interest like the Shinomiya spin off.

This is the legacy of NS, not just the shitty translations and steal of "projects" because projects for a manga groups are usually a sense of identity, specially when a group started the project since chapter 1 like Casanova did, and when you see someone else "stealing it away" then is normal to lose interest in something you are doing for free and usually takes a lot of free time from you. This type of projects usually work as glue for groups and when you erode that most groups don't survive that.
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>>142126030
I can agree with this. While it's true that it shouldn't be important if most readers switch to a faster group, - it shouldn't be important because a big chunk of the readers don't know or care who translated what or which group is the best, they just want to read it now and then they will forget all about it by the following week, hardly worth anyone's consideration - it can be frustrating when you're working hard in something you really like but the pages everyone posts and the version everyone reads isn't the one you worked on. To me, though, the breaking point is when the version everyone is reading has problems such as biased/bad translation or a poor editing job. It's downgrading to the artist and the work itself and it makes me beyond frustrated seeing how everyone has no problems going for that version, how they can't see that some of the text makes no sense or how awful the pages look. The times and standards are different, I guess.

It all comes down to how much of a masochist you are and for how long you can believe it when you tell yourself that working hard on a release that will only be read by 5 people is fine.
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Mangapanda is the most cancerous for having the biggest watermark and scanlators that put fanart in the manga posts are cancer too.

Why batoto hasn't put a scroll mode where all the pages are on one screen is anyone's guess.
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There's nothing wrong with how they translate. A lot of manga feature dialects and accents that are basically the equivalent of country speakers in America.
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>>142127210

There are plugins/extensions for that.
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nvr 4get
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>>142129551
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>142118530
>Psylocke dropped both the main series and the zero series when MS picked it up.
I think they dropped them because the main series got licensed. MS was just the final nail in the coffin.
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I don't know the name of the translator for FA, but I don't care what anyone else says, The man works magic, the way he translates bakugo's bakugo-ness is absolutely inspired

Some of the other transliteration is a little unnecessary though (Herp derp, seriously), but there's no right or wrong on the subject; it's a sliding scale dependent solely on "common sense" and personal preference.
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>>142129551
That's amazing
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>>142111527
>>142111275
Niggamind
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>>142131286
D-damn
That's some good self-control on the Afri-bro there, doesn't blow up at him even when the stuff he's saying hurts.
Well, truth hurts.
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>>142129551
What the fuck is this?
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I don't know who it is that translates Bleach for them but they really need to get that nigger out of there. Half of last week's chapter dialogue was pretty much made up for their flavor.
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>>142127210
>scanlators that put fanart in the manga posts
I don't even understand what the point of that is
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>>142127210
That and the login requirement is why I use kissmanga now.
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>>142110752
>>142110067

I know it sounds rich coming from them, but I have noticed the Fallen Angels version does have some weird cursing, especially coming from All Might.

And they're right, they're perfectly entitled to work on the series as much as anyone. I'm no fan of theirs, but that's the truth.
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Could, not would.
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That's why I prefer hentai scanlation, much less drama thanks to no pressure to release on the same day and most people just choose their own thing

Of course even there are some dramawhores like FUKE
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>>142134948
That's just how it is with scanlations: often, both sides are terrible in their own ways.
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>>142122555
No, you're a beautiful person.

I'm sort of like that, but I'll admit that I do like the recognition. When I post my stuff on Tumblr, I always say what I did, but I always credit anyone else before mentioning myself and link to any free typefaces I used to credit those artists. I want some attention, but never enough to get in the way of the work. It's why I never put any credits on the images themselves; I'm not so delusional to think I'm more important than all the people who made the original possible in the first place.
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