Upto episode 16, pretty good so far
>>142050699
I'm not sure if I would call it good, but it's one of the most enjoyable animes I've ever watched.
>>142050699
I'm like you bro
but i'm up to season 2 ep 5 now.
I'm still wondering why did I not watch this the year it came out. I guess better late than never.
>>142050699
get out of this thread before someone posts spoilers my man. top 3 all time favorite of mine.
How do I subscribe?
Ending is shit
>>142050699
When you start the second season you'll think you're being fucked with, but it'll eventually make sense.
>>142050759
>I'm not sure if I would call it good
>it's one of the most enjoyable animes I've ever watched
What if i told that something being enjoyable made it good
>>142050759
haven't seen anime that conveniently ass-pulls on a consistent basis as hard as Code Geass.
>>142050875
I enjoy objectively shit things tho.
>>142050875
That's not true.
That being said, Code Geass is objectively good.
you're in for a bunch of ridiculous (borderline stupid) shit, but I promise you it's some of the most satisfying magnificent shit you will have watched
>>142050901
>>142050910
If something was enjoyable then it succeeded in a sense, and was good because it fulfilled it's purpose. If watching something is unbearable, it doesn't matter how "well made" it is
>>142050901
>>142050910
>>142050759
Fuck you guys. You are the type of people that Digibro was talking about that don't see the anime you enjoyed the most as your favorites, and instead list "objectively good" anime as your favorites to look cool and smart. Faggots.
>>142050865
Season 1 episodes 1 and 2 had me confused as fuck as in what was going on, but i caught up eventually
>>142050855
subscribe to what?
>>142050896
What are you reffering to by "ass-pulls"? no spoilers please though
>>142050952
You sound angry.
Just because I enjoy something doesn't mean that I can't see its flaws. Geass is incredibly fun to watch, but if you look into the plot holes and the inconsistencies it doesn't make much sense.
Also
>Letting youtubers tell you how you should feel about anything
I love Kallen.
>>142051241
1) c.c.
2) kallen
3) milly (prez of club)
>>142051226
It's true though, a lot of people on /a/ care more about having "good taste" than actually enjoying things
>>142051349
Kallen is my number one.
>>142050759
I unironically love Code Geass.
>>142051349
We know who Milly is anon.
>>142050896
You haven't seen enough Jojo then.
Or about half of the popular shows that have been created both before and after Code Geass for that matter. Thus your hyperbole is silly.
>>142051444
I won't blame you for it, I enjoy Geass too.
>>142051415
Can't deny that. I think the misunderstanding stems from what good means (objective vs. subjective good?). I'd absolutely recommend Geass to a friend, but I warn them against having high or even medium expectations of it. It works best as just something to mindlessly watch and enjoy.
>>142050759
Show had the stated goal of being very entertaining and also did a few more things pretty well. That's good. Far worse shows than Code Geass are made every single season that are either not as entertaining or can't even do a handful of decent things.
>>142051179
I'm not spoiling though.
it had asspulls from the very beginning
>>142051549
Perfect objectively doesn't exist. Both praise and criticism are colored by personal factors and tastes that are inherently subjective by nature. I would also disagree with the rest of your view too, since I think what sets Code Geass apart from the truly mindless shows is that you can actually get a good grasp of the method to the madness and see the point of it all. Otherwise, you'll find plenty of crazy shows that will never be as popular and will simply fade away, because they don't do that much.
>>142051226
>Geass is incredibly fun to watch, but if you look into the plot holes and the inconsistencies it doesn't make much sense.
Oh please. People tend to label anything unrealistic about the show as a "plot hole" even when it actually isn't. Not to mention that the show does make more sense, in the long run, than you think. You can call it "inconsistent" when things don't go the way you wanted, but in retrospect a bunch of stuff was either foreshadowed or telegraphed, even slightly, way ahead of time. I don't necessarily like everything that happened myself, but that doesn't mean it is inconsistent.
>>142051638
Name one well known anime that doesn't have any coincidences or convenient events.
>>142051751
Exactly. there is none
>>142051881
For fucks sake let the thread die
>>142050699
Stay away from Akito the Exiled after you're done.
>>142051707
This is true.
Code geass is a show that actually gets better with a rewatch just because of the amount of content they squeeze into every episode.
You catch a ton of foreshadowing, symbolism and implications that you would never get otherwise.
I can't believe I never connected the name of lelouche's mom.
Threadly reminder that Kaguya is best girl
>>142051426
Muh brutha
>>142053139
Always.
Nina > Milly > C.C. > Shirley > Kallen
>>142053399
That is objectively wrong on 4 separate levels, no matter what this thread says.
>>142053399
Someone help this man. Hes lost all his sanity.
>>142053399
I think Nina gets more shit around here than she deserves. I wouldn't say she's anywhere near the top tier, but I would be lying if I said I don't have a soft spot for her.
>>142050759
>Im not sure I would call it good
>10 years old anime which everyone loves and recommends every single thread
Stop trying so hard senpai, next thing you are gonna tell me you didnt like TTGL either.
How did Geass manage to be successful in both sales and overall quality despite how a huge trainwreck it was?
We had tons of trainwreck anime for the past few years but not even once that it reached even a quarter level of code geass did.
>>142052332
>OVA series set in the EU is announced
>expect euro-piloted Panzer-Hummel goodness
>get robotic spider monkeys piloted by elevens
My disappointment was palpable.
>>142053648
It wasn't a trainwreck.
>>142053463
>I think Nina gets more shit around here than she deserves
It's not just here, she inexplicably shows up on every single 'most hated character' list or poll. I simply don't understand why she inspires such vitriol.
>>142053859
A lot of people really felt sorry for Table-kun.
>>142053859
>Zealously defensive of and obsessed with a person she met literally once.
>Rapes poor, defenseless tables.
>Creates a goddamned super nuke capable of erasing cities form existence, leaving perfect sphere shaped holes where civilizations used to be.
>Acts surprised when her super nuke erases more than just the buildings, streets, and vehicles that inhabit a city.
>Ugly.
I mean come on, man.
>>142053920
Why couldn't she just flick the bean like a normal person? There was no need to drag the table into this. The student council used that table every day.
>>142053920
Table-kun as asking for it.
Also
>lots of people love yuri
>scene where a girl is fantasising about another girl, what's not to love?
>a table gets involved
>suddenly those same people hate it
Wat.
>>142053948
Oh shit and I completely forgot the part where she builds what she hopes will be a prototype super nuke IN HER SCHOOL SURROUNDED BY HER FRIENDS AND FELLOW CLASSMATES SO THAT WHEN ZERO SHOWS UP, SHE CAN SET IT OFF AND TAKE HIM WITH THEM, ALL BECAUSE HE KILLED THAT PERSON THAT SHE MET LITERALLY ONCE
What a lovely girl.
>>142050875
You'd be wrong.
>>142054013
She met Euphemia twice, not once.
>>142053948
>Zealously defensive of and obsessed with a person she met literally once.
Someone who, let's not forget, literally saved her life.
>Rapes poor, defenseless tables.
That table was quite rich - had a great home and shit.
>Creates a goddamned super nuke capable of erasing cities form existence, leaving perfect sphere shaped holes where civilizations used to be.
Yet no-one hates Robert Oppenheimer? What the hell is with that inconsistency?
>Acts surprised when her super nuke erases more than just the buildings, streets, and vehicles that inhabit a city.
One of the most powerful scenes in the whole series. She just wanted to use her intelligence to be useful one-up Milly in terms of popularity, and was forced to face the reality of what that truly meant.
>Ugly.
In the second season she honestly goes from a 3/10 to an 8/10.
>>142054065
Oh shit my bad. That completely justifies her total fucking insanity.
>>142053948
>>Acts surprised when her super nuke erases more than just the buildings, streets, and vehicles that inhabit a city.
It blew up all the wrong people. She built a nuke and saw it detonated with ten million of her own countrymen caught in the blast. And even then the Black Knights mostly got away. It was a much bigger wake-up call than if the weapon has been used on a battlefield and had mostly affected enemy forces.
Thank you for updating us on your personal blog.
>Lelouch, genius mastermind tactician
>Takes him 50 episodes to figure out he can use "be my slave" command
CG is full of retarded logic like this because the writing is garbage. And anyone who thinks this show is "objectively" good because it still is entertaining should kill himself.
>>142054403
*dink*
>>142054013
>I completely forgot the part where she builds what she hopes will be a prototype super nuke IN HER SCHOOL SURROUNDED BY HER FRIENDS AND FELLOW CLASSMATES SO THAT WHEN ZERO SHOWS UP, SHE CAN SET IT OFF AND TAKE HIM WITH THEM, ALL BECAUSE HE KILLED THAT PERSON THAT SHE MET LITERALLY ONCE
>What a lovely girl.
Pretty sure the idea was to use it as a threat to make him turn himself in.
>>142054645
Nigga she literally pushes the button.
SHE PUSHES THE FUCKING NUKE BUTTON AND ONLY GOD'S GRACE THAT SHE FUCKED UP THE PROTOTYPE WHEN BUILDING IT SAVED EVERYONE FROM DEATH
HOW CAN YOU PEOPLE DEFEND THIS???
>>142054681
Oh yeah, you're right. Forgot about that lol.
To think that Nina almost got the kill-steal...
So you think that's the scene which confirmed Nina as evil in everyone's eyes then? I think I can see where you're coming from with that.
>>142054681
Mental disorder defense has been a thing for at least a few thousand years.
Series was fun as fuck and some truly wtf moments. Pic related. I can't think of a show since that has had anything like it.
Any expectations for the anniversary?
>>142054896
Some new merch or something. No big announcements.
>>142054896
None. It is over.
POST LEWD CC
>>142056233
Your jedi mind tricks don't work on me.
>>142056233
I might as well. I was about to fap to her anyway.
>>142050875
b-rated movies aren't good but they can be enjoyable from sheer stupidity
Reminder that Lelouch is the ultimate cuckold.
>CC gets stolen away from him by a farmer
>Kallen gets stolen away from him by Gino
>>142056524
>Kallen stolen by Gino.
NO
This did not happen.
I'm going to stop now, I have to take care of this boner.
>>142056568
>he can't multitaks
>>142056549
Gino likes her.
She doesn't dislike him.
She showed signs of liking it when he teased her.
Lelouch died.
Literally no one there to block their growing relationship.
That wasn't so hard, was it?
>>142050861
Ending is the best part of the series and without it Lelouch would be a fucking trash protagonist.
Unless you mean S1's ending as a conclusion, in which case it's a grey territory. The suspense is great but ending the season on a cliffhanger is some real shit, especially since R2 as a whole followed up really badly.
>>142056587
It didn't happen.
>>142056585
I mean I guess I could fap and post more C.C. Should I?
>>142056627
By the order of your king, DO IT
>>142056673
I'll post a little more then.
>>142056680
>when was Gino supposed to come over today?
>thanks for saving the world btw, Lelouch
>>142056716
No.
Last one before I let myself spurt.
Are there really people who hated Nunnally? She was a crippled blind middle-schooler.
>>142056989
I hated her. Rather, I hated how she grew into a petty child who took up the sword because.
>save muh brother from himself
>>142056989
Can't say I hated her, but it hurt quite a bit when she sided with Schneizel and launched the warheads.
>tfw watched code geass because I read a nice kallen mindbreak doujinI thought she was Akiza from Yugioh at first
>People actually defending Code Geass as anything but an absolute train wreck
Jesus christ. CG is good, VERY good, even objectively good, but it's still a train wreck. The fact it's so good despite the massive wreck is part of the show's allure.
>>142058652
It's not a train wreck.
>>142058731
>It's not a train wreck.
>Beginning of season 2
>The Zero Requiem
>If I told you to "KILL ALL THE JAPANESE" you'd have to do it, lol so awkward
>Lelouch is obviously alive and well with the Code, despite the creators confirming he'd dead
>Shirley's BS and unneeded death
Jesus christ, this is only the few things I can recall off the top of my head.
>>142054403
Firstly, there's this moral implication of be my slave.
Do you really think that Lelouch would have wanted to command Nunnally or any of his friends to be 'his slave'? No. You're thinking is autistic at best, mentally retarded at worst.
Secondly, there's this sort of challenge aspect to it. Lelouch likes a good challenge, he doesn't want to go the easy route. Using the 'be my slave' command would force Lelouch down the easy route, which he wouldn't want.
Thirdly, Lelouch doesn't fully understand the true implications of Geass - that, or he doesn't want to go further down the line like Mao did. If he used that command, who knows what would happen; Lelouch doesn't like that ambiguity.
NIPPON BANZAI!
>>142058652
>objectively good
Anon please, there's no objective rating for quality of entertainment.
Code Geass is still fucking great though.
>>142058652
It's only a train wreck if you're autistic and disregard the characters' morality, feelings and psychological beliefs and thoughts. That, and thinking that all the characters are autistic and thus make the best possible decisions, despite real life not being like that.
>>142058884
>I'm buttmad about the fact that Shirley died
That doesn't make it a trainwreck.
>>142056524
That's not what that word means. You should probably go back to >>>/tv/ cancer.
More like Code Gay Ass!
>>142059138
OK I'mma stop you right there. Lelouch is NOT the kind of person that would do this "Zero Requiem" thing and die for people. He's not Jesus Christ, OK? IF he had the Code (according to the authors he did not) he might have gone through with it.
>>142059500
>I'm buttmad about the fact that Shirley died
HOW she died.
>>142059965
>Lelouch is NOT the kind of person that would do this "Zero Requiem" thing and die for people.
He was ready to seal himself up in an empty void for all eternity. Dying seems less extreme.
>>142051179
contrary to popular belief lelouch's geass isn't one time mind-control, his true geass is the strongest plot armor known to man kind
also >i could make you kill the japanese if I wanted to
What the fuck was Lelouch trying to accomplish? Like he basically ruled with an iron fist so that he could get himself killed and let all the other countries do what exactly? Wouldn't it just be anarchy everywhere?
>>142050875
When determining if an anime is good you need to ask three important questions.
First, did I enjoy that anime?
Second, If I watch it again in 5 years will I still enjoy that anime?
Third, would I recommend this anime to my hypothetical children or grandchildren?
So for Code Geas the answers would be
Yes
Mostly yes
Yes
To contrast, Cross Ange would be
Yes
No
HELL NO
>>142060160
>Dying seems less extreme.
See, this tells me you do not fully comprehend Lelouch's personality. He was ready to sacrifice himself in order to win. If the only way to win was to get sealed up, that was something he'd risk.
Actually dying is not winning. A 100% chance of death is losing.
>>142060800
It's a gamble and he admits as much, but he did what he could to stack the deck and better the odds of things working out alright.
>>142060855
>Third, would I recommend this anime
This is pretty much the caveat to calling anything good in my eyes. Or calling anything anything. I've seen good anime I didn't like. I've liked anime that wasn't good. Elfen Lied isn't objectively good, and a lot of people won't like it for obvious reasons, yet I thoroughly enjoyed it for the most part. An anime I didn't enjoy as much would be Evangelion. Yet I can still recognize that it is a great anime.
>>142050699
First season is amazing, but the second season drags for fucking ever and is only good at the last couple of episodes.
>>142051415
The weird part is that there's no actual criteria for what makes a good anime. Ultimately, all you've got is a very vocal minority with weird and inconsistent standards.
I mean, the irrational hatred of CGI still confuses me.
>>142050699
it gets better belived it
>>142058912
>Secondly, there's this sort of challenge aspect to it. Lelouch likes a good challenge, he doesn't want to go the easy route. Using the 'be my slave' command would force Lelouch down the easy route, which he wouldn't want.
these mental gymnastics that you're pulling here, aren't healthy
>>142060800
the writers wrote themselves into a massive corner. he wasn't trying to accomplish anything that could not have been accomplished in an earlier situation or in a more convenient way
it was just a bad ending
sentimental sure, but story-wise it was utter shit
>>142060800
>What the fuck was Lelouch trying to accomplish?
A lot of things. Pretty much all of them are made clear if you watch the show.
>>142050818
Ya I wish I could've watched it with /a/ together too.
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>>142050759
>nobody pointed out the "animes"
The fuck?
>>142062825
It's been a long day.
>>142050952
>assuming
The anime I most thoroughly enjoyed was Madoka Magica. It is my favorite. It is objectively good.
Cowboy Bebop is objectively good. I did not particularly enjoy it. It's nowhere near my list of favorite anime.
Yu-Gi-Oh! is objectively not good. I enjoy it even so.
Quality and enjoyability are not necessarily completely dependent. They can correlate, but not always.
>>142052332
Akito was more of a typical mecha show, but for one of those it was okay.
>>142053648
Simple. Because Code Geass may sometimes feel like a trainwreck, yet it didn't start out or end that way, which is un common. Thus it's actually a rollercoaster that people do like for other reasons too.
>>142054403
No, you should kill yourself. Metaphorically speaking, at least.
Making everyone into a slave wouldn't have been smart. That's misleading as fuck.
It would have led him down a path of absurd micromanaging and false confidence in his "slaves" that would evaporate as soon as they were found out or someone figured out the trick.
>>142054896
They will announce something, or even just a date for more information. It's obvious that nothing will come out this year though.
>>142056524
>>142056587
Just being friends doesn't translate to that, anon. Don't be a jackass. Also, Lelouch wasn't interested in her that way, so your premise was flawed.
>>142056524
C.C. is with Lelouch though and Kallen is alone for the time being.
>>142058652
Quite the opposite. Code Geass was good enough to be far from an "absolute" trainwreck. The term doesn't mean what you think it does.
>>142058884
Only one of those is even remotely "bad" enough of an idea (kill all japanese). The others aren't really unprecedented or out of place. Even complaining about Shirley's death is silly. Innocent victims are totally normal in anime, both mecha and otherwise.
Also,
>Lelouch is obviously alive and well with the Code, despite the creators confirming he'd dead
Nobody has confirmed him to be dead. Nor would it be wrong for him to survive.
>>142059965
I disagree with your interpretation of Lelouch's character. He would, in fact, believe in something like Zero Requiem at that point in the story, after all he's seen and suffered. It's also an extension of his whole "ends justify the means" idea. Jesus is not the only person who has ever sacrificed himself in history or in fiction, so Lelouch isn't really trying to follow his footsteps. There's nothing clearly indicating that Lelouch has the Code or not, so don't put words in the mouths of the creators.
>>142060800
Why do you assume there will be anarchy?
The UFN exists as a legal framework, Zero is respected worldwide and war exhaustion is everywhere. It's not like there are many nations just ready to fight. The former superpowers are too weak for another global conflict. People will have discussions and disagreements, but there is a large incentive to resolve certain problems through diplomatic means and the status quo is already comparatively improved. Lelouch reformed Britannia and ended the old Area system, which is a good thing, plus relaunched the figure of Zero as an influential player in world affairs. It's a cartoon version of reality, sure, but works for the context provided.
>>142062082
Not necessarily, plus you can't ignore the character's own mindset and emotions that led him to that point.
>>142060881
>A 100% chance of death is losing
Are you a child?
His death fulfilled his most important goal (Nunnally's wish of a peaceful world) along with ruining everything his father stood for and as a bonus, also made up for all the suffering he inflicted along the way by giving a meaning to every one of those deaths and casualties.
It was his greatest victory.
>>142050759
>>142050699
Geass is actually really really good, only thing holding it back is the shitty school episodes/student council relationships. It's stuff like the random "chase the cat" scenes that slowed the pace of the show down too much. As soon as they introduce the guren, the show really picks up from meh quality anime to top teir.
>>142051349
Nah mate
Kallen = C.C. > Euphemia > literally anyone else
Anything else is objectively wrong
>>142064265
>Nobody has confirmed him to be dead.
Wrong http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/2008/10/code-geass-r2-another-nail-in-lelouchs-coffin/
>>142051241
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>>142056964
my brothers with good taste
>>142050699
I was working on my masters while watching R2 with /a/
Where has the time gone?
>>142069071
>Wrong http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/2008/10/code-geass-r2-another-nail-in-lelouchs-coffin/
No, you're the one who is wrong here. I read that back in 2008 and one person's quoted interpretation does not remotely equal any "confirmation" of death. Evidently, Lelouch died, physically speaking, as in he got killed. But nobody that matters has "confirmed" that he remained dead and didn't have any immortality.
Obviously they weren't going to spell it out on a website because it'd ruin the point and in-universe he's supposed to be believed dead.
>>142050699
Thanks for the update
>>142069405
>But nobody that matters has "confirmed" that he remained dead
Okouichi, the main fucking writer, confirmed his death as did most of the staff. Taniguichi is the only one who remains ambiguous about his fate but it doesn't really matter at this point. Lelouch is as dead as Amuro and Char which according to Unicorn episode 7 is pretty fucking dead.
>>142069405
>>142069773
Lelouch will live on forever in my heart
ALL HAIL LELOUCH
>>142069773
>Okouichi, the main fucking writer, confirmed his death
Not. One, he wasn't asked about his status. He says, answering a different question, that Lelouch was killed and that his story is over. Which doesn't deny that he could have woken up as an immortal after death and live on in total obscurity.
>as did most of the staff.
Not really.
>Taniguichi is the only one who remains ambiguous about his fate but it doesn't really matter at this point.
It does, since the director is the most important person on the staff.
>Lelouch is as dead as Amuro and Char which according to Unicorn episode 7 is pretty fucking dead.
None of therm had scenes where they could have gained immortality nor a cart driver scene with ambiguous dialogue.
>>142069989
Not to mention:
a) Novel version has the cart driver literally smile after C.C.'s words during the epilogue.
b) The OVA director was asked about this in an interview in a Western convention. The guy said he had also asked about this too and couldn't say anything, but that the matter was clarified in one of the novels. In other words, he referred to the above.
c) The old director wrote a new picture drama where there's a mid-series C.C. x Lelouch moment which teases about "where would he go back to" after it's all above. If not his sister and not the Black Knights, then where? Lelouch says "that's a dumb question, it would be..." and then they're interrupted.
>>142070157
*after it's all over
Code geass is objectively the best anime out there.
I've never seen a show with as much content pumped into every scene like Geass did, to borrow from george lucas.
Whenever someone bitches about fan service and how unrealistic anime is I just point them to CG which was made amazing because of how well it pandered to fans.
There may be shows that are more artistic and critic worthy like a miyazaki film but anime is all about pandering to its fans and thats why I think CG is the best as an anime.
>>142069405
>her [CC's] time with Lelouch, who was able to forgive and accept her, came to an end, but the memories created with him has, without doubt, saved her from eternal loneliness.”
Most of the staff seems to think he's dead. it's obviously something they've discussed, and probably know the director, writers, and producers better than you do.
So again, him being officially dead when it's rather obvious he's alive is bullshit, and part of the reason the show is a train-wreck.
All this comments about CG being trainwreck yet I have never seen the same claim for Legend of the Galactic Heroes on any board/blog on internet so far, which has a lot of the same problems as CG
>>142066180
this and theshitty instrumentality ripoff with emperor charleswere the major issues over both seasons--R2 really lagged in the middle and picked up in the final few epsidoes
And as for the ending, the creators left the ending to viewers' interpretation, so I don't get it why all this 'convincing' about Lelouch being alive/dead
>>142072615
>>>
And Instrumentality Project being ripped from Ideon movie
Ill just leave this here to remind people of a certain fact.
>>142071996
That whole paragraph isn't a literal quote, it's combined with Galvea's interpretation of what was said, trying to defend that point of view.
Claims about "most of the staff" are mostly meaningless, since this would imply that a random grunt animator and a second tier production desk individual have anything resembling authority or weight.
Creatively speaking, only the director and writer matter. Everyone else has no real say other than voicing their opinions. I may not know the director and writer, but I do know their own words and what they've said. Not even an animation director, character designer or storyboarder can contradict them.
Businesswise, it must be either a Sunrise executive or the senior producer on the show who can speak for the property question. Sunrise personnel have literally said on panels that it's fine for people to interpret the ending in either way, so there is no such thing as an "official company position" indicating he's dead.
>>142072981
they went for the weirdest angles just to shove in that fanservice, not that i minded
funny that she has the same VA as ryuko, given their similar personalities
>>142071996
>So again, him being officially dead
Except it isn't.
Official Sunrise Panel at NYCC 2011 (via http://bayoab.info/live/old.php?panel=219):
12:58:03 <bay|NYCC|Sunrise> Q: At the end of Code Geass R2, does lelouch really die?
12:58:21 <bay|NYCC|Sunrise> A: Actually, as you can probably tell by watching the series, we leave that up to the viewers opinion
12:58:56 <bay|NYCC|Sunrise> I think the best part is you can debate and discuss
>>142073628
It is also misleading since some people think the ending ONLY works if he is dead and others think it ONLY works if he's alive. So both interpretations can be supported and criticized, depending on your interest and expectations.
>>142073628
They backpedaled later on. That's irrelevant. The staff are unanimous in thinking he's dead. It's obvious they got that from the culture of the company. The company culture is he died. Such cultures are nurtured by the directors and producers of the industry. Face it, they intended that he be dead. Why do you keep defending them?
>>142053436
You know as CG ages I swear the character designs look more and more like something out of an eroge
>>142053648
Do you think Sunrise ever predicted that this show would become the template for every attempted blockbuster mecha series from that point on? Aniplex seems particularly fixated on trying to utilize whatever successful formula they think is there
>>142073915
>The staff are unanimous in thinking he's dead.
Nothing you've posted goes that far, so you're reaching and trying to stretch the argument as much as possible
>The company culture is he died
So your uncle works at the company?
>Face it, they intended that he be dead.
That is a matter of opinion.
>Why do you keep defending them?
Because nothing has "confirmed" otherwise, not since 2008 and not as of 2016
>>142066180
>only thing holding it back is the shitty school episodes/student council relationships.
I actually disagree about that. One thing I love about the series is how it maintains its mix of genres and settings throughout the series. It feels eclectic and consistent at the same time.
>>142069989
>he wasn't asked about his status
>Lelouch was killed and that his story is over
Whelp. He's dead.
> Which doesn't deny that he could have woken up as an immortal after death and live on in total obscurity.
Because its blantant fan fiction by you.
>Not really.
They did.
>It does, since the director is the most important person on the staff.
That would be the writer since the show wouldn't have come to be without Okouchi since he wrote the story and characters.
>None of therm had scenes where they could have gained immortality nor a cart driver scene with ambiguous dialogue.
Neither did Lelouch, until its actually confirmed IN SHOW and not fanfiction Lelouch is dead.>>142070157
>Novel version
Irrelevantand not canon
The next one is pure bullshit.
>>142070157
>mid-series
I got one better. The birthday picture drama that outright confirms Lelouch is dead. You lose.
Colors > World End > Kaidoku Funo > O2 >>>>> Hitomi no Tsubasa
I think we can all agree on this.
>>142069989
>Main writer says character is kill
>it doesn't confirm anything
You're a special kind of retard.
That's literally not how it works. It doesn't matter since every piece of official intel about the series marks him as dead unlike Amuro and Char who for over 20 years were listed as MIA in all official sources until their deaths were confirmed in the last Gundam OVA. Everything else doesn't confirm anything or takes place while he's still alive.
>>142050759
>I enjoy it
>Lel dunno if I can call it good, is not like muh hipster shit
There is no one to impress here you little faggot. If you enjoy it, you deem it good.
>>142076280
We can agree that Lelouch was killed with a sword and the staff had no intention of making a sequel.
Neither of these statements equals that the character is dead and buried in-universe, especially in light of other evidence to the contrary, so you're being too narrow and stubborn.
>Because its blantant fan fiction by you
I wasn't the one who made the cart driver scene, nor the one who came up with the Code and storyboarded the sequence where it could have been transmitted, among other things.
Not the point, but the director has equal or greater power than the writer, not identical or inferior. Did you watch Shirobako? That show explains how the industry works better than either of us.
The writer follows the director's requests and can always have his work modified or rejected by him. Not the other way around. The story isn't imposed on the director against his will.
>Irrelevantand not canon
It's relevant, because someone who worked on the property brought it up as useful for clarification.
>The next one is pure bullshit.
Unfortunately for you, the interview is still online.
http://www.koi-nya.net/2013/05/25/ficzone-2013-entrevista-a-kazuki-akane/
I can quote you the exact paragraph, if you can't figure out which one it is.
>I got one better. The birthday picture drama that outright confirms Lelouch is dead.
Except the Birthday PD is probably not canon. This PD is newer and never breaks the fourth wall.
The Birthday picture drama has characters address the viewing audience as part of a live event where it was shown. Even has C.C. randomly appearing when she shouldn't be there.
>>142076493
The main character was killed. But the writer did not say, nor was he asked to address, whether or not Lelouch became immortal after dying.
>It doesn't matter since every piece of official intel about the series marks him as dead
Not really. They all say he died, which is true, and little else. Again, it would be pointless for them to say "he's alive!" since the whole point of the last episode was to create a lie that the world would believe.
>>142076893
>The main character was killed. But the writer did not say, nor was he asked to address, whether or not Lelouch became immortal after dying.
Why would he address something like that to begin with? The very fact that nobody brings up his immortality is proof enough that it was and never has been a factor.
>Not really.
The official obituaries of all the deaths in the series another recently release album all confirm his death and not one of them bring up anything in regards to immortality playing a role in comparison to Amuro and Char who were never officially declared dead outside the novels and then the last episode of Unicorn. STOP BRINGING UP THAT CODE NONSENSE, it was poorly explained in show and all the side material seem to not want to expand upon it including the people who worked on the damn thing itself, much like the China arc they pretty much want to distance themselves from explaining what the hell happened in Turn 21 so anything in regards to Lelouch being immortal is just fanfiction
I preferred Akito the Exiled over Code Geass but it got ridiculous at the end of the fifth OVA.
>>142077216
It's very clear that the epilogue would cause people to ask questions, one way or another. The fact he didn't explicitly answer anything about that (together with that the director said) is telling.
>The very fact that nobody brings up his immortality is proof enough that it was and never has been a factor.
Not necessarily. It would also ruin the whole gimmick of his survival being a secret if they went out and explicitly said he had the Code.
>The official obituaries of all the deaths in the series
A page from a magazine, you mean. But sure, Lelouch did die. Nobody is denying he was killed. It's the post-death status that the obituary didn't -and shouldn't- address.
Unlike what happened with Amuro and Char, Lelouch's final plan was based on lying to everyone. That element is very different and can easily extend to his survival under that theory.
The China arc is unrelated to what we're talking about here.
>not one of them bring up anything in regards to immortality playing a role
It
>>142077796
It didn't seem all that different from countless other Gundam shows such as Unicorn -and even the original Code Geass itself- where they have some Newtype magic or other supernatural power intervene.
So the end of Akito didn't feel any more ridiculous to me than what any of those concepts usually are. I'd call it predictable enough.
>>142078067
Not even all that crazy by Code Geass magical shenanigans standards either.
It's amusing to see you guys still arguing wether lelouch is dead or not. This is PRECISELY why the writers made the ending ambiguous.
>>142077983
>It's very clear that the epilogue would cause people to ask questions, one way or another.
None of which are if Lelouch is immortal or not. Of course in any form of fiction people would want to know the fate of the characters even if they saw him get stabbed through the heart it has nothing to do with anything if they didn't bring it up then it was never an important factor.
> It would also ruin the whole gimmick of his survival being a secret if they went out and explicitly said he had the Code.
Then why assume he had a Code when the show never explicitly stated he did? That's just fanfiction.
> It's the post-death status that the obituary didn't -and shouldn't- address.
Common sense implies that if a character is stated to be dead there shouldn't be a post death status.
>Lelouch's final plan was based on lying to everyone. That element is very different and can easily extend to his survival under that theory.
Not really because then it just shows that everything he said in the beginning about those who die should be prepare to die themselves and his "conviction" is a load of hogwash. Don't believe the writers would want that at all.
>>142078448
He's dead. There's just some retards who are still rampant about him being alive with no substantial evidence though I wouldn't deny that Taniguichi being vague was intention to fuck with people.
>>142078735
I have a very different view of that and could reply once again, but it's getting late. Agree to disagree.
>>142050699
Nice blog
No one cares
Lelouch vi Britannia is dead and he can never assume that identity again, nor meet his family and friends. But the new V.V./L.L.remains.
>>142050699
Lelouch becomes emperor and then dies
>>142077796
I thought it was kinda boring and slow, and the characters were not anywhere near as engaging as the ones in CG.
>>142077796
Leila and Akito were grating in my nerves.
>>142079590
I liked Akito and Leila just fine. The rest, not so much. Well, Klaus was kind of cool.
Is Oz the Reflection canon?
>>142081026
It's a "grey" area of canon. If the manga contradicts something in the anime, no. If it doesn't, then maybe.
>>142078129
Yeah I mean fuck nothing is gonna top Lelouch Geassing God aka Jupiter.
>>142056568
>men and their problems
Anon, you make me laugh out loud, alone in my room. People will think I'm crazy. Geez.
>>142082160
Technically that wasn't "geassing god" though. More like a resonance indicating it accepted Lelouch's petition.
The symbol that appeared on the surface of Jupiter was the same as the one on Lelouch's magical eye, not a red/blue ring like in a target/victim
>>142082160
He just asked it to take action on its own behalf, and it did. It works in the story because it shows how completely in the wrong Charles and Marianne were.
CG is a trash and forgettable show except for the final 4 or so episodes of S1 which are literally perfect.
>>142051349
No Shirley desu?
>>142060800
It seemed he was forming a brotherhood of mankind, similar to Alexander. The creators are really into historical shit like this, also I'm pretty sure C.C. is Joan of Arc.
>>142060800
Nothing, the plan is trash. I'm not sure which is more pathetic, him living or dying through it.
>>142060800
Lelouch himself becomes a useful scapegoat and the weakened state of the world's military forces means the new rulers will prefer to talk about their problems rather than fight each other. He didn't intend to make the world perfect or permanently peaceful, but simply improve it.
