4.44 is going to suck.
4.44 may be a miracle in some ways, albeit 3.0 was so garbage that it's pretty much impossible.
4.44 will never do all of the characters justice, though. That much is for certain.
>>141982315
I'll probably be quite entertained as I do consider myself a die hard Eva fan at heart. But those feelings are bleak right now...like dead inside, and it's all due to 4.0's delay.
I feel nothing for the series right now.
>>141983020
>posting Kaworu
You never were a real die hard Eva fan. Hence how you feel nothing for the series, only the potential homo you'll get.
Somebody post that interview where he says he didn't watch Eva until like 10 years later and was surprised it was interesting.
Anno is too far removed from how he was when he made NGE too ever make something that good again, or at least something Eva related. The plot will be super-duper interesting, and the movie will probably be "great" all around, but /a/ will still hate it, just like they hated 3.33 for no reason
>>141983564
Too far removed from being a fedora-tipping faggot.
>>141983564
>for no reason
you not accepting their reasons doesn't mean they have no reasons, big difference
ever since people got their first hands on the movie they did nothing but complain about various reasons why they were disappointed with 3.33
>>141983564
> hated 3.33 for no reason
>for no reason
top kek.
>>141983020
What is so wrong with liking Kaworu?
I'm not one of those cringey Shinji-Kaworu shippers, I've always liked Kaworu because of who he was as a character and his metaphorical position in the show.
He was a complete badass during the last half of episode 24, being all smug and shit.
He is Adam and the one of Adam's sons (the angels) as well. He represents Christ, who in christian mythology is God and the son of God as well. It's a nice concept for a character.
There was also other christian religious shit present in episode 24 that reflected Kaworu's symbolism of Christ, but it's been too long since I talked about it on here and hardly remember the other stuff.
Well one other thing I do remember is that that Tagbha base, the place where Kaworu is shown to awake in 1.0 on the moon, is the same name as one of the places where Christ performed some magic shit/miracle according to the bible.
Kaworu just stands out in general, how can you not prefer him over boring ass characters like Kensuke, Hikari, or even Maya? What the fuck did Maya ever do for the series?
>>141983898
>>141983950
The only "reason" is that it wasn't what you all expected. Same reason people hate Darker than Black s2 even though it was better than s1 or any other number of interesting anime, books, games, films that are hated simply for not satisfying fanboys. 1.0 and 2.0 was just a prostitution of the franchise, 3.0 actually tried to take the story in a new direction and justify the existence of rebuild, and it made much more sense stylistically.
As for specific flaws in the writing, you can't comment on that until the series is finished. 4.0 could reveal stuff that puts everything from 3.0 in context. If you saw only 3/4 of any series you'd probably say it's shit.
After 3.33 shitfest the only way to go is up. Wont surpass 2.22 though.
>>141984130
why did i even bother?
>>141983564
>for no reason
>story arc for 1.0 and 2.0 completely dropped thanks to random timeskip
>character development for Asuka, Misato, and Rei completely dropped thanks to random timeskip
>no showdown with Kaworu in his Mark 06 because fuck that let's bring out a giant flying battleship that shoots lasers and shit instead
>any hope for exploring Mari's character and origins is rendered obsolete and impossible thanks to the timeskip
I could keep going on, but it's just going to stress me out and depress me a little
>>141984130
>The only "reason" is that it wasn't what you all expected.
Nope.
It was downright bad. Accept it.
>>141984078
First and foremost, Kaworu isn't a good character.
A character being "smug and shit", which isn't even an accurate description of Kaworu, isn't a good reason.
The only ting 3.0 did right were the first two scenes. The pretty decent fight scene in space, and the scene where Shinji is wakes up and is brought into the Wunder's command deck.
The movie has nice choreography and some pretty stylish looking scene to scene transitions, I'll give it that.
2.0 gave me such amazing feelings of refreshment and freedom and all the blue colors on the sky
3.0 made me fucking hate eva and delete everything i had related to it
>>141984223
>>141984130
You do realize none of that is an actual good counter argument?
You can't just make up strawman reasons for why people hate 3.33.
It's a bad movie in it's own right, and this:
>As for specific flaws in the writing, you can't comment on that until the series is finished. 4.0
is absolute retardation! Bad writing will always be bad writing.
>>141984596
No, everything after the first generic action scene is shit.
>>141984468
C'mon, we're on /a/, give me a break. Him being "smug and shit" is just as much as good reason for liking him because he is a fictional character.
And I don't just like him for being smug, there are other reasons, but I won't list them because I might come off as a Kaworufagboy, which you probably already think I am.
If it helps, I also enjoyed seeing him have a panic attack during the dogma scene in 3.0, and thought his was gruesome decapitation was great. I honestly just wanted to see more of him.
>>141984675
3.0 honestly gave me the same feelings you got with 2.0. Things were different back then. I was blinded by how good the original series was, so when 3.0 shat out all this new shit I just wolfed it down and thought it was simply adding more interesting things to an already great series.
But now I've come to hate both movies, including 1.0.
Thanks /a/!
>>141984078
Nothing is wrong with liking him, that's just a butthurt Reifag who hates every character.
>>141984853
No, it's not. Basically, you never liked Evangelion in the first place.
>>141985005
Evaretard right here.
>>141984798
>is shit
Yes, but can you elaborate on why in concise essay form?
>>141984078
I don't think he was smug nn the literal sense. It was kind of assholish to be so nice to Shinji knowing full well what you are and how much you would hurt him.
I used to like him but have gotten really disinterested over time since the writers don't do much of anything with him.
>Wake up nerd
>No, Fuck you
Oh An-non, u so silly.
>>141984596
I thought the fight scene in the beginning was boring and badly choreographed, but I thought the piano scenes were beautiful.
Maybe because I'm a musician myself, but we hardly get such scenes in Anime.
>>141985158
>and how much you would hurt him
But that's the thing. Kaworu never knew how much he meant to Shinji.
He doesn't even have a grasp on why humans want to live, much less why they emote and come to like one another.
He didn't think his death would impact Shinji emotionally, because he doesn't even understand human emotions.
>>141983564
>just like they hated 3.33 for no reason
>>141984596
Pretty much how I feel. Some scenes of the Rebuilds are fucking amazing and make you think Anno still knows his shit, but then he fucks up here and there and at the end of 3.0 he has made so many mistakes that it looks seemingly irreparable.
I know people dislike Mari but I thought the opening scene of 2.0 was really great and it must've been awesome seeing inside a cinema, even if >>141984798 is right when he says that it was 'just an action scene'.
Same goes with all openings and endings. 2.0 ending was incredible, the opening scene to 3.0 was really cool and even though I didn't really like the movie in its entirity that last shot of Shinji, Asuka and Rei walking away when the music starts playing was amazing and actually made me eager to watch 4.0 even though I was pretty frustrated with the movie in general.
Do these scenes make the movies good? No. But nevertheless they are pretty great scenes.
>>141985296
He totally psychoanalyzed him within a few minutes of taking a bath together to somehow know all his people issues.
>>141985296
Not really, the only Kaworu that didn't understand emotions was manga Kaworu.
>>141984853
>I honestly just wanted to see more of him.
I like him in NGE specifically because he chooses death over character development. Rebuild makes him look like a dummy trying to be manipulative.
>>141985423
You can read and recite a topic like a textbook, but if you're incapable of experiencing it yourself there will always be an element of detachment.
Kaworu may have superficially understood humans, but since he didn't share the same realm of thinking as them he couldn't completely understand them. That's why he's so bewildered by why they want to live. He doesn't understand why they want to live, because his angel nature makes him indifferent to life.
>>141985582
>He doesn't understand why they want to live, because his angel nature makes him indifferent to life.
Where did you get that?
>>141985426
Manga Kaworu's whole character arc was discovering emotions. He was pretty much a humanized Kaworu.
Anime Kaworu understood emotions on a surface level, but he could never experience them the way a human can.
>>141985684
In episode 24. He says he doesn't care whether he lives or dies, and also wonders why the humans want to live so badly.
He says both in the terminal dogma fight scene.
it's disgusting how overrated eva is
>>141985521
In NGE his character was about a completely foreign and alien being's impressions and relationship with humanity.
In Rebuild his character is just about Shinji, it's a clear downgrade to appeal to the fujo audience.
>>141985830
NGE was before Anno sold out after all.
>>141985887
I think he just stopped caring about anything.
>>141985830
Not that foreign actually, There's mention in EoE,
Angels are the same as lilin, so that they come from Lilith, they are the 18th angel aren't they?
>>141985769
It's actually underrated. Few people understand the influence it has had on the industry; the sole reason people can still continue to enjoy anime to this day is because of it. Not seeing that shows a critical lack of understanding and utter shit taste.
>>141986159
>Few people understand the influence it has had on the industry
LITERALLY who thinks this you fucking retard?
>>141986137
Not at all.
The lilin came from Lilith, the angels came from Adam.
The reason they are all called angels (or followers, literally translated from the Japanese word), is because they were born from a seed of life. Either Lilith or Adam.
They do share many similarities, but over the course of the show we clearly see the angels do not understand human emotions.
Arismael shows confusion at Rei's loneliness, for instance. Kaworu shows confusion at lilin's desire to live. They may understand the basic facets that make up a human, but they themselves are personally incapable of experiencing and understanding it.
>>141984078
>He was a complete badass during the last half of episode 24, being all smug and shit.
>Same reason people hate Darker than Black s2 even though it was better than s1
>If you saw only 3/4 of any series you'd probably say it's shit.
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEW LAD
>>141986366
Darker than Black doesn't have a second season.
>>141982315
I can turn a grey sky blue.
I can make it rain whenever I want it to.
I really am constantly amazed that every single nuance was ruined in the rebuilds.
Every single one. Like, most remakes get something right jsut because its a scatter gun approach and the law of averages says you must, but holy shit
>>141986563
>I really am constantly amazed that every single nuance was ruined in the rebuilds.
I honestly believe Anno has some sort of master plan, and that 4.0 will surpass even EoE.
This may be wishful thinking, but I still have hope.
3.0 is and eternally will be shit though.
>>141984078
If you can't love the sweet gentle Maya, you can't call yourself a fan.
>>141986543
I want Kaworu to give me a blow job.
If Kaworu had any empathy or insight, this would be the most spiteful thing in the series.
>>141986656
Considering what he did in 3.33, which was to introduce several new and absolute wretched concepts, such a pic related, he has no choice but to explain them.
But even touching them at this point will ruin 4.0.
No masterplan short of coming out publicly, saying he fucked up, declaring 3.33 non-canon then remaking it will even begin to get Eva back on track.
>>141986790
Oh great, so Khara can spend another decade remaking something that never needed to be remade in the first place.
>>141986241
Yep, pretty sure that everyone who's even a bit into animu views Evangelion as a huge influence.
>>141986656
>>141986790
He made Rebuild to get enough money to fund Khara and their future projects.
He doesn't have to explain shit, his main goal was just to get yen and it succeeded.
4.0 could be the most terrible thing to hit theaters and it will still make box office. The fans lap everything up.
3.33 was pure shit and 4.44 will be the same
>>141987255
>He made Rebuild to get enough money to fund Khara and their future projects.
I know, animator expo was the best thing to happen in years, I trust Anno our lord and saviour to make anime great again.
>>141986159
It was influential, yes, sadly, its influence made anime overall worse, it is overrated but still a pretty good anime, although not the best of its genre or its era.
>>141987346
>its influence made anime overall worse
The industry was basically dying when NGE came out. NGE created an entirely new niche with its existence. If your favorite show came out after NGE, there's about a 50/50 chance it wouldn't exist if NGE was never made, and that's a conservative estimate.
>>141982315
Is the series any good? Hate to be that guy however, I still haven't decided to watch it yet.
>>141987346
>it is overrated but still a pretty good anime,
I honestly believe the original series and EoE are mankinds greatest literary achievement.
>>141987310
It was pretty great, I'm glad that some of the shorts are getting full shows like that ice skating one.
>>141983564
>they hated 3.33 for no reason
>no reason
>>141987563
3.33 was basically "let's all yell at shinji for not doing what we tell him after keeping him in the fucking dark" the movie. No reason Misato's ass.
>>141987475
Its a love or hate it kind of show so just watch the first episodes and decide from there
>>141987346
>sadly, its influence made anime overall worse
How so? And even if this is true to an extent, it's in no part Anno's fault; an artist is responsible for his work, and not for the people and works influenced by it.
>although not the best of its genre or its era
What does this even mean? Does it have to be "the best", is it even relevant? And how would you prove something is or isn't "the best" besides flaunting your own subjective opinion? I don't think in any medium any sole work can be truly considered the most worthwhile, only that it holds up by itself against others. And Eva does hold its own, while many "good" anime take from it directly and indirectly.
There's no Reiquarium, the dummy plug comes from another base, and her memories aren't backed up. So what is this?
>>141987475
It's good.
>>141987667
k?
>>141985769
the only thing overrated about it, is the dumb as fujoshi bait character
>>141987346
It's Japan's most significant artistic achievement from the 90's.
>>141987503
You have much to learn
>>141987563
>rofl
>>141988000
my bad friend, meant to reply to >>141983564
>>141982315
It'd be good if Asuka died, I hate that fugly bitch.
>>141986790
>Considering what he did in 3.33, which was to introduce several new and absolute wretched concepts
I fucking hate this.
>>141988028
>You have much to learn
I can almost guarantee I am better read than you, Eva's combination of visual, musical, and emotional elements place it far above any other literary work. It takes full advantage of it's medium which allows it depth beyond what any single element could achieve.
Runners up are Rachmaninoff's second piano concerto, Notes from Underground, and Ivan the Terrible and his Son
>>141988117
I'd probably pay for a movie where every character just punches Asuka in the face for two hours.
>>141988301
I'd pay to doxx you and beat you to death, personally.
>>141988497
>>141988540
>implying I'm touching that spoilered gif
>>141988497
I found an asshurt Asuka-fag.
>>141988296
>I read some entry level Russian literature so I'm definitely better read than everyone on this board
>>141988497
Shove a tampon in it, fireposter.
>>141988497
Hey, you, get back in the baka box.
>>141982315
4.44 OST will be awesome again
>>141988701
Four. Four butthurt Reifags.
>>141988623
Just because it's entry level doesn't make it bad, and I was listing things that were good. There is no real way for me to prove that I'm better read than anyone, the only reason I brought it up was to point out the fallacy that ignorance is the only reason someone could have a dissenting opinion.>>141988028
>>141988301
Asuka already looks like they got punched in the face, so no need.
>>141988785
>replying to yourself again
>>141988820
>projecting your samefagging tendencies on me
>>141986790
Mari wasn't introduced in 3.33, moron
>>141988867
>projecting about projecting
Sasuga faggot.
>>141988776
You haven't changed my opinion doing that. What's Evangelion's claim to greatness? What do you even mean by greatness?
It's my favorite anime, and extremely interesting when examined in the context of 90's Japan following the economic crash, but there's nothing there to sustain its esteem to eternity.
>>141987908
Her memories are backed up. That's where the clones come from. Rei 2 was in there in 2.22
>>141988875
She's an example of something that is yet to be resolved/explained,Baka
4.44 needs to have a 4th impact to btfo 3rd impact. But it will probably have the manga's ending.
>>141989043
Now now, asuka, don't we know what happens when you talk without permission?
>>141988973
>What's Evangelion's claim to greatness?
I explained this in my first post, I could go into detail but that would be boring. Would you like me to list every instance of justly used musical score, every instance of character development / depth, etc.
>What do you even mean by greatness?
Lets not go down that rabbit hole
>there's nothing there to sustain its esteem to eternity.
This true, but eternity doesn't matter. Searching for eternity only ends in pain, what matters is the present, and presently there is nothing better than Evangelion as a holistic work. The OST, the animation, the characterization, all of these are superiour to anything else past and present.
>>141989111
Didn't the manga end withYui meeting Mari?
>>141989133
>roleplaying
Get the fuck out, gaia.
>>141989111
4th Impact was the one at the end of 3.33, once again interrupted like the 3rd in 2.22. The one in 4.44 has been called Final Impact and it's the fifth one.
>mfw the Third Impact was a huge deal in the original series while the Rebuild hands impacts out like candy
>>141989279I think he means the original ending of the manga, with the world rest and that the seasons came back and everyone forgot about each other in the events of 3rd impact
>>141989243
I guess I'm misunderstanding your idea of greatness. I still don't know why the elements of it are what draws you to it (as opposed to the greater narrative) - I think it's a pretty inconsistent series
>>141989322
Asuka is such an attention whore he'd probably visit gaia
>>141989111
No way. Not the manga's ending.
It would render the world and scenario introduced in 3.0 with the time-skip meaningless. There will be no reset ending.
Shinji will just have to find his place in the new world.
The big problem here is how Shinji will resolve his relationship with Misato and Asuka. They both seem very bitter towards him. Will they even make up? How? I'm sure Shinji's resentment towards WILLE for initially treating him like crap and producing the bomb collar which eventually caused Kaworu's death, will make itself prominent in 4.0.
Things are extremely complicated right now. And don't even bring Rei into this right now, because doing so just makes things even worse. I mean, technically speaking, was Rei even in the movie at all? Who is this clone? What in the fuck happened with Rei?
Will the Rei from 1.0/2.0 return? How? What will become of the Rei clone? Will they merge in some bullshit asspull? Maybe the Rei clone is Reim but with half a soul or some bullshit asspull like that.
Good lord.
>>141989322
Being this mad because your waifu got BTFO by a faggot of Shinji's caliber
>>141989536
>BTFO
>>>/reddit/
>>>/9gag/
>>141989331
Which is 3.33's biggest failing. Even 3I in 2.22 was dangerous and had high stakes. The crap in 3.0 was just monotonous
>>141989487
The great overall narrative is made of the elements I listed though. I could simply say I like Evangelion, or that I like how its characters react to different scenarios and each other. All of this is built on the quality of the animation, musical score, voice acting, etc.
>>141989562
Keep whining like a baby, much like Asuka after ep22
>>141989530
What's even the conflict in 4.44? Gendo killed all of SEELE by rusing Shinji into activating the Fourth Impact. Will it just be a NERV vs WILLE fight for supremacy?
>>141989530
Basically the real Rei will become a goddess again and kill everyone. She'll restore the world to NGE time and fix everything, and then bring all the humans back.
Asuka can stay dead though, ugly trannies aren't allowed.
>Post YFW 4.0 is actually a Godzilla crossover
>>141989714
>bring all the humans back
Didn't EoE teach us that the only people "human" enough to come back are Shinji and Asuka? (excluding Rei because she became God)
>>141989530
The real Rei is inside unit-01. Odds are, Rei Clone #521467 will end up in Unit-01's plug somehow and Rei will do a mindwipe and firmware update on her.
Then Shinji and Rei can kill everyone and seed the world with the little pink eyed daughters from the trailer
>>141989763
Fuck. Yes.
Angels and Nerf BTFO
http://www.strawpoll.me/10310706
http://www.strawpoll.me/10310706
>>141989863
No, they were just the first ones back.
>>141989863
Yui said anyone can come back as long as they imagine their form.
Shinji had already been tanged once in the show so he comes back first, Asuka is a pilot so she is well acquainted with LCL so she comes back second.
>>141984130
This is correct.
1.0 is a literal rehash.
2.0 is pandering bullshit.
3.0 is the complete opposite of 2.0.
This of course pissed off the many waifufags of the Evangelion community who wanted another fanservice film.
>>141989936
Asuka dies long before instrumentality actually happens. Same with Misato and Ritsuko. She's alive because Rei brings her back. She missed instrumentality entirely and would be dead along with everyone else who died before it.
>>141989918
>>141989936
I prefer the idea that nobody else had a sense of self strong enough to maintain an AT field. It separates the pilots from the rest of humanity.
Also, if others are coming back, then what was the fucking point of one more final: I need you?
>>141989967
> found the butthurt asukafag
>>141989017
Q didn't know 2 even existed.
>>141990140
And Rei 3 didn't know for certain that Rei 2 existed until instrumentality. What's your point
>>141989967
0/10, considering 3.33 is the only waifufag movie. Nice projection, but critics panned it.
>>141989909
>all these 1.11 fags
It's literally Eva with worse animation
>>141990307
This. Literally this. 3.0 Kaworu is bait for the entire yaoi fangirl population and Asuka hasn't been this pandered to since retake. She has a fucking eyepatch and cat ears in this shitty film, she's the biggest otakubait in the franchise at this point.
>>141990112
The point is to finish Shinji and Asuka's character arcs. It doesn't necessarily mean no one else is coming back.
>>141990441
>The point is to finish Shinji and Asuka's character arcs
Elaborate
>It doesn't necessarily mean no one else is coming back.
And it doesn't mean they are
>>141990187
How much simpler do you need it, there aren't any memories.
>>141990415
>with worse animation
You sure about that?
>>141990568
Pretty sure, yeah.
The Rebuilds look like shit
Does anybody else remember the "Rebuild is a stealth sequel of Evangelion (TV) and Mari is Oldfag-Shinji's daughter with Asuka" hype?
>>141990509
It does because Yui literally says they are retard.
>>141990635
Mari is a decent human being. She couldn't be Asuka's daughter.
But sequel theory is still alive and well. Which is fine, because eoe sucks and was a shittacular way to end a frachise
>>141990639
>Yui literally says they are retard.
Where are Proofs?
>inb4 you have none because it never happened.
>>141990635
Pretty ironic considering Asuka is Mari's lesbian lover, now.
>>141990711
>because eoe sucks and was a shittacular way to end a frachise
>>141990711
>Mari is a decent human being
In 3.0 she didn't even care the world was coming to an end.
>>141990763
Provide an actual counterarguement or GTFO
>>141990783
Because she knows that the world ending wasn't going to happen.
It is strange that "Evangelion" has become such a hit - it is just an autistic worse version of Mobile Suit Gundam and Space Runaway Ideon. Anyone who says it is a "deconstruction" has only seen less than 10 other animes, all of which were made after 2000. Everything that Evangelion is known for was done better 15 years earlier by the master Tomino. The only reason Eva became popular is because it pandered more to pervert pedophiles (most anime fans, especially /a/.) Evangelion is the go-to anime for newfag plebs. They say it has "deep" characters but they really only like it because the 14 year olds show a lot of skin. A big difference between Gundam and Eva is that 0079 has one of the best endings in anime history and Evangelion has not one, but two of the worst.
>>141990825
Provide an actual argument or GTFO
>>141989864
Would save 4.0
>>141990882
This guy gets it.
>>141990726
I don't know, I won't watch the movies until the recut of Q is out.But I've never ever seen the TV series beyond episode 6 either, so that's okay
>>141990882
>0079
What I need to watch (and in what order) to completely watch "original" Gundam? Should I simply start with the original TV series, or should I watch one of the movies instead?
>>141991128
Answer is always broadcast order
>>141991128
both are pretty good but the series would be better to watch first but I do love all the music in the movies
>>141991190
You're right, of course.
>>141984078
It's a major fucking insult to have a faggot character somehow "represent" Christ
Anno should be burned at the stake
also fuck him for trying to ruin Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind too
>>141991769
Jesus Christ was a huge faggot though.
>>141991814
:^(
>>141990416
Yep.
The problems with modern EVA is waifufaggotry, ASukafaggotry and Kaworufaggotry in particular.
>>141989936
EoE makes it seem like Asuka came back first or at least rejected Instrumentality first. While Shinji was having delusions of all the girls wanting to bone him, suddenly Asuka can be heard saying "I'd never do it with someone like you!" or something like that, and that exact line is what prompts the sudden cut to live-action and Shinji's final epiphany about wanting to exist. Y'know, the rejection that supposedly couldn't happen in tang-world and made him realize that the tang-world is false comfort.
>>141990416
>Asuka hasn't been this pandered to since retake
>retake
what are you talking about? retake isn't canon, it's just a DJ made by some fans
>>141992493
Shinji clearly came back first, we see he had even enough time to nail Misato's cross to a board and for it to rust before Asuka appeared on the beach.
>>141990783
She cared. She's the one who leaped in and finally put a stop to it.
>>141990635
No, because that was, and still is, Asukafag retardation.
So desperate for shipping that they instantly try to rewrite any new story as shipping with Shinji.
>>141990635
Please don't remind us.
>>141989864
Unit 01 makes a giant Rei out of Zeruel's blood and Unit 00's core. It'll probably just shit her back out with her health issues fixed once everything is done.
>>141989600
That's because 4th Impact took place in a desolate wasteland with a population of 7 people and 4 Evas, at least until Wunder showed up.
>>141982315
Any sign of it actually coming out?
>>141992585
He maybe came back first but that line I mentioned really makes it seem like Asuka was rejecting instrumentality from the get-go, even if she took more time to regain her form.
Actually yeah, Shinji necessarily needs to come back first since he was God during that whole thing and he needed to decide on ending instrumentality before any coming back stuff could happen, so of course he'd be the first one.
I like the theory that strangling Asuka was a means to 'check' if this was actual reality after all or if he was still tang'd. He needed her to reject him to make sure it wasn't yet another fabricated world where everything would comfort him without asking. So when Asuka doesn't do anything except putting her hand on his cheek, he doesn't know what the fuck to think. Until the final line comes and clears that up.
>>141993035
How do you even know she was in instrumentality? She had bandages on and we never see her body collected.
>>141993112
Shinji sees one of those collector ghost Reis just as Asuka suddenly shows up in the beach, implying she 'brought her back' (from the LCL sea of course).
Also just the fact that Asuka speaks lines during the inner process in Shinji's minds, and the TV concept that during instrumentality whenever you see a vision of someone it's a fragment of the actual person, like a mass-shared vision, makes me conclude Asuka needed to be in instrumentality to exist within Shinji's mind and therefore she was tang'd like everyone else. If she wouldn't get tang'd, she would just die from the injuries as well.
>>141990882
>know that Tomino inspired most of the works I love
>still can't bring myself to like ANY of the series he's directed
>>141993193
So what about the bandages?
>>141993025
none actually, here's the deal, they haven't started production yet. it may have some ideas on paper but no actual work for the film has been done.
if anything they are just starting pre-production after Anno finished Godzilla.
i predict 4.0 within 2 years.
>>141993270
I wager that's just how Asuka imagined herself coming back. What would be the other possibility, that the ghost Rei put those bandages on her? Her body was torn to pieces and floating in the sky inside a MP Eva's mouth, bandages can't fix that.
Asuka brought back her body and since her last memory of physical existence was having her eye impaled and her body chewed out, she imagined the bandages into existence.
>>141993277
I suspected that since I saw the PV.
But I can't believe but it's been 4 fucking years goddammit.
>>141993277
It's funny that each month, each year, every year since 2012 people have been saying that.
At first there was even more boldness, saying that it'd be out within the next months because "obviously, it was incomplete".
Then, as time went on, they speculated it would be on the BD's. Buy the BD's and find out.
Then, it was later in 2013. Then, 2014 would clearly be the year, and obviously 2015 because "it's the year NGE happens, they can't pass this up!". Godzilla came, and people were then now saying it'd be a co-production of sorts.
Then it was suggested here that it'd be done as soon as filming Godzilla was done.
It requires much less mental energy, and it is much more rational and sane to accept the truth: it's going to be a long time till it comes out. I had settled on that the minute I saw 3.33, because I understood instantly what sort of movie it was, and I also understood what the director was trying to do.
The director is more or less a cunt, and doesn't care about the story or the characters beyond favoring them, reaching franchise-destroying levels.
>>141993405
Anno himself said that 4.0 might take six years!
>>141993405
There have been longer waits honestly, and I would hate for it to be rushed more than anything.
>>141993471
Due to how much of a mess 3.0 was, I'm not surprised.
>>141993459
Well Anno did just finished Godzilla, so what I was going with that is that if anything 4.0 is just a concept at this stage in it's development.
It feels that Anno just makes each film on the spot, (winging it.)
>>141993471
The audience at TIFF thought he was kidding. We were warned and everyone laughed.
>>141993549
3.0 was not bad if you ask me, I believe that Anno Disliked (hated) 2.0 and wanted to get as far away from that as posible,
if you don't know
2.0's development was a literal hell, the script was revised, doped, restarted about 5 times.
>>141993567
Anno doesn't care about Eva. He's sick of it and doesn't want to work on it anymore.
Either do any of the other staff, except for maybe Tsurumaki.
Even Sadamoto recently said in some interview that he was sick of it.
>>141993611
Has Anno ever been known to joke around?
>>141993567
One doesn't simply finish a movie. There is a windup towards the premiere followed by a wind-down of interviews, public events and more to handle as the director.
Anno sort of makes each movie on the spot, but ever since End of Evangelion there has been a red thread to follow which makes it clear that he's doing something worse than winging it. He is obviously rewriting Evangelion to gain his favorite characters.
That is what Rebuild is. Nothing more. That's why it's not necessary to finish the story. The status quo must be prolonged.
>>141993611
They were idiots to laugh. The audience are the retards of the anime and eva community.
>>141993655
You don't know anything about the production of anime or Evangelion in particular. It all goes through drafts, rewrites and revisions before it is finished.
If you don't know, 3.0 was absolutely horrid.
>>141993725
Shut UP. Anno isn't "sick" of EVA. He's deeply dissatisfied and autistic about the whole thing, and he has leaned on it for years and put in a lot of work to change it to being something more pleasurable for him, but disgusting as a work of art.
>>141993725
>except for maybe Tsurumaki
Any reason why?
Tsurumaki was the one who said they should leave it be back in fucking 1996. Fuck him, I want him to make new stuff ;_;
Friday by Day proves he still has it in him on some level.
>>141993732
He jokes around all the time, watch any of his interviews.
>>141993825
Everyone is tired of Evangelion
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2016-05-17/legendary-evangelion-illustrator-yoshiyuki-sadamoto/.102218
>>141993843
Yeah, Tsurumaki was fine with the way the Anime ended and thought they didn't need to do EoE.
But he always liked doing sequel works to old things, see Diebuster for instance.
He's the one who's mostly in charge of Rebuild, not Anno, and he seems to be enjoying himself because he gets a lot of freedom to do whatever he wants.
3.33 was the first original eva story they had to make in forever and was meh. Something building on it can only be bad.
>>141993825
I thought Anno made the rebuilds because it was guaranteed to make its money.
It was Studio Khara's first ever production.
>>141994086
Pretty much, he just needed an easy way to fund his new studio. And we all know Eva sells no matter what.
>>141993825
>You don't know anything about the production of anime or Evangelion in particular. It all goes through drafts, rewrites and revisions before it is finished.
>If you don't know, 3.0 was absolutely horrid.
I'm lack knowledge on Japanese animation, however from what I do know from film-making on the Hollywood side,
Such practices are not only time consuming but expensive as hell.
I can't imagine how much money was lost due to re edits of the script. whole scenes with dialogue were made into storyboards then dropped.
I know that this a regular process in making anything, however 2.0 had far more re-edits than any of Anno's prior projects. except for his flopped film.
>>141982315
It doesn't matter how good or bad the movie itself is.
The resulting shitstorm will be well worth all the wait.
>>141993471
We'll be lucky if that's true.
>>141989967
>>141993476
It wouldn't be so painful if it wasn't Blue Balls: The movie.
>>141994086
>>141994157
Evangelion is due to having hit a critical mass of popularity and collective awareness, bound to be popular. It is something, it has a name people know.
If the intention with Rebuild was to make a serious story, it could easily be made with the framework Gainax had. But Studio Khara was created specifically to give Hideaki Anno more profit and control.
>>141994070
It wasn't original or just meh, it was downright bad.
>>141994356
It's not as time-consuming or expensive as you think. They do not create a finished product and then revise it, they make storyboards.
So you're paying five-ten men to sit around a table and brainstorm, write and draw crude drawings of something that may or may not get animated. If they're satisfied with it, they may get a voice actor to read the dialogue.
This is not an inherently expensive process, practically the only cost here is salary and only if they've chosen to take absurdly high salaries is this a problem. Then at the end of the day, the cost of this is always going to be more or less insignificant because of the low risk associated with the project, it's going to print money for just being Evangelion. Money was not lost, it was invested, and it was a huge financial success.
It's not like filming a real movie at all. There are less people involved, there are less laws to follow, there are less factors to consider, and less coordination required. It's not easy, but it's not close to a large hollywood production in terms of cost and risk.
3.0 is Hideaki Anno's own creation, moreso than the original Evangelion ever was. It was a horrid flick, 3.0.
>>141994575
10/10 shitpost
>>141994423
This.
The 3.0 generals were entertaining as fuck.
>>141994727
Remember, that this is based on a Japanese budget. Animation is cheaper verses live action.
Animation based films require less money to produce, so they receive less production funds.
What money they do receive needs to be spent wisely.
>>141994978
Watching all the hype when the camrip came out, followed by disappointment and "wtf did i just watch" a few hours later, god I remember skipping class to watch that piece of shit.
>>141994575
That's cool and all but what made the original brilliant was the face value of its elements working together to depict hard things.
The whole meta aspect of it isn't praiseworthy, it's not art, it's just pretentious discourse. So Rebuild just loses out by virtue of being a poorer quality product, ironically despite how much more resources were put into making it.
>>141995054
With that said, when 4.0 eventually comes out how pirated will it be?
I know people who will watch it via cell phone recordings.
>>141995118
We'll get a decent rip about 3 months after it's released, same as always. The Generals will be godawful both before and afterwards.
>>141995053
Look. "They" didn't receive any funds. Rebuild has, and always has been, completely and entirely self-funded.
According to Hideaki Anno himself, the budget for Rebuild is "virtually limitless". Need I remind you that Evangelion is an enormous success, and Hideaki Anno through Gainax sat on a nearly unprecedented percentage of the rights to the franchise? Tomino, the man behind Ideon, Gundam and others doesn't own a single thing, for comparison.
Remember, Anno Hideaki is the Cancer King incarnate.
>>141995118
3.0 camrip was pretty shitty and tilted and I still sat through it, honestly as long as I can't count the pixels and can see atleast half the screen it'll be fine, I'll end up rewatching 4.0 when a proper rip comes out.
>>141995115
Read the very bottom left caption of this little interview from '96(pre-EoE).
Anno gives zero fucks if the fans don't like what he does.
>>141995174
That soon? will it have fan sub by then?
>>141995054
Oh hell, I loved all the crazy theories and messed up shit that came out following just the audio rip that came out before the cam.
>>141995293
Were you not in the 3.0 Generals? We had an audiorip first, which then led to the translation project so that subs could be slapped on the first viable camrip.
>>141995190
If only you said King of Lincoln Island.
>>141995250
This is not about what Anno thinks. It's about the things he creates. He has no say on whether they're worthy or not.
>>141995337
I just started watching Jap-animation less than a year ago, so unfortunately no.
I assume you get them from some torrent site,right?
>>141995348
The last tine Anno worked on something involving Lincoln Island, it got outsourced to Korea and went to complete shit.
to me, 3.0 seemed like such a disappointment because all of the progress shinji made in 2.0 was wiped away. in 2.0, he was connecting with people more easily, so that it seemed like he wouldn't become a whiny bitch like he was in the series. i thought this reflected anno's change too, he wasn't a depressed young man, now he's a happy and successful dude
then 3.0 came along and it was like "actually, things are heading the same direction as the tv series"
>>141995297
Pic related is true though, it isn't a theory.
>>141995467
Yeah
>unfortunately
It's not unfortunate at all. The generals were terrible, and the next ones will be even worse going by how threads are now.
>>141995476
The movie is called "You can (not) Advance" for christ's sake. It's literally written right on the tin what each movie is about.
>>141995474
What happened to that show anyways?
>>141990882
But anon, ideon TV ending is hilarious, did you forget about the baby?
>animes
Ah.
>>141995507
The BD release generals started off pretty good, I don't think it will be _terrible_fly wing on the film stock
>>141995683
Anno got the reins back around episode 33 and it got good again.
>>141995502
okay, if rebuild is just going to be reusing the same ideas as the show, then i guess "it can't be helped"
still, disappointing
>>141995474
Do you know why it was outsourced? it was pretty good at the beginning.
>>141995507
They were bumfuck retarded, but we still had a lot of fun.
>>141995771
That's because people restrained themselves and left everything to the two guys actually working on the BDs, everyone else either pouring over new, higher quality material or talking encoding.
The Generals bring everyone in without any restraint. You know the awful bickering and yelling we get on a daily basis now? Imagine that concentrated and never-ending all in one thread.
Unless everyone can agree to some truces and ground rules, it'll be mayhem.
>>141995845
>it got good again.
Was it good in the beginning? I only got three episodes in but I found Nadia obnoxious and the villains formulaic.
>>141995860
It was originally planned to be just two cours, but it got so popular that NHK, who was bankrolling production, demanded Gainax produce another cour.
Gainax just couldn't handle the demand, so they hired a cheap Korean studio and set Shinji Higuchi in charge of keeping things churining there while Gainax itself worked on more important bits. So the cheap, crappy, cartoony, filler-ish episodes were from Korea, but the Red Noah episodes, where the story actually mattered, were Gainax.
It also gave Anno a chance to get a head start on working on the finale.
>>141995880
Isn't telling that your example of fun is from around the first 50 threads? The time between release and camrip got steadily worse, and then afterwards it simply plummeted.
>>141995938
so you didn't get to see the Submarine? or Nemo?
>>141995891
>it'll be mayhem
But it will be fun
Don't you like fun anon?
There is plenty of time for serious discussion later, it will be like Geass sundays.
>>141995938
Nadia is about as 3DPD as you can get in an anime character. For good or ill, she's very much a typical teenage girl.
She does do a lot of growing if only because Anno gives her so much room to grow.
And the villains? You mean the Grandis Gang? They're a spoof of the Dorombo Gang from Yatterman and they don't stay villains for long. They go on to be some of the best characters in the show.
>>141995990
Nope, just.
>here is invention
>wow invention is cool
>invention breaks
>wow invention is suck
Repeat ad fucking nauseum.
>>141995978
How many threads did it rank up to again? 300?
>>141995995
Do you think the current level of obnoxious bickering we have now is fun? Imagine that on an even larger scale. There's nothing fun about that.
>>141995972
>cours
What exactly does that entail?
how many episodes were originally going to be made?
>>141995978
Oh yes, got really, irredeemable bad around the time the Evageeks cunts came in and then it became the same shipping bullshit over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
I still find it funny to laugh at Reiheart.
>>141996079
Most of it comes from the same 3-4 autists in every thread.
>>141996055
>They're a spoof of the Dorombo Gang from Yatterman
>It's not formulaic its a "spoof"
Just because it's a reference doesn't make it good or interesting to watch.
>>141996073
I think it was a little over 400. It had to be forced down with the help of BRs shitposting and mods finally nuking the threads when everyone finally agreed that yes, the threads needed to stop.
There was also on crybaby autist who kept trying to make more threads, whining about how it wasn't over until the threads reached a "natural death." He wanted to be clear that the only reason the generals were over were because of mods, and that's it.
The funny part is that the generals did reach a natural death several weeks prior when everyone just plain forgot to make a new thread, letting it fall off the board clean.
>>141996066
at least watch the spaceship scenes.
>>141996082
>The Japanese have sometimes subdivided television series and dramas into kūru (クール?), from the French term "cours" for "course", which is a 3-month period usually of 13 episodes. Each kūru generally has its own opening and ending image sequence and song, recordings of which are often sold. A six-month period of 26 episodes is also used for subdivision in some television series.
>>141996082
A cour is a chunk of the year comprised of 13 weeks that follows pretty concurrently with the natural seasons(winter, spring, summer, fall) and so the term "season" is often used interchangeably, though it's not entirely accurate to anime. "Season" would refer to the number of total episodes ordered for production. Which could just be one cour's worth of episodes, or two cours or even three or four. Most shows nowadays are rarely ordered in seasons of more than one cour.
Nadia was originally planned to be 26 episodes, or two full cours. The extra padding brought it up to 39 episodes, or three full cours.
>>141996142
You sound truly autistic. Better stop watching all anime.
>>141996237
>A cour
Its cours anon
A cours
>>141996111
Honestly, I don't think Evageeks was too much at fault. They mostly helped out with the translation project, but when they were done they still had their own forums to go back to. The real problem was when tumblr got involved in the translation project, but then they refused to leave. They have no large board or discussion threads to return to, so they just stuck around and shitposted, talking about fanfiction, gay porn, and linking directly to their blogs. If nothing else, we have to take a hardline stance against those faggots; it's not worth it and we'll have plenty of time to translate things without them.
>>141996115
And you can bet they'll be in the generals, only now they won't have an image limit to deter their shitposting. Again, truces and ground rules will be really important if you don't want the generals to be filled to the brim with toilets and trannies.
>>141996273
>cours
You're right, I just say it in my head and forget the s.
Fucking French. Can never spell anything the way it's pronounced.
>>141996271
But not all anime have this problem, there are plenty of very original anime.
>>141995118
I waited nearly 4 years to watch 3.33 when it finally came out on Blu Ray, and damn that was a mistake. Planning to watch 4.0 whenever there is a decent rip, probably the Japanese Blu Ray.
>>141996273
I taken that from wikipedia.
Also I checked and Secret of Blue Water is 39 episodes, the Island Arc starts at episode 23 and the plot gets back on track in episode 35.
Disregard that
>>141996399
I thought it was about my post, still the episode count is correct.
>>141996399
>I taken that from wikipedia.
You took it from wikipedia, and let this be a lesson that wikipedia is not always, or even often, entirely correct.
>>141996310
I was in the threads and I just remember an Asukafag spamming scat doujinshi every thread. He claimed to be from Evageeks.
>>141996686
Probably one of the tripfag attentionwhores.
They were a lot of them, and they didn't even translate shit.
>>141996686
I don't remember that very clearly. I supposed there is the issue that faggots from that forum may look at these threads as a way to let loose in a way they can't over there due to moderation and reputation, so they may be prone to shitposting too. If you try to keep both out, though, you're left with essentially no one to translate.
That really isn't a problem when Evageeks will be working on translations anyway, and we can just steal their finished product when the time comes.
>>141996686
>reiafag
I was in the threads and I just remember an reiafag spamming scat doujinshi every thread. He claimed to be from Evageeks.
>>141996742
And a lot of them were Asukafags too, go figure.
I wish there was a way to ban all waifufags from these threads, things would be a lot better.
