>he saved more people compared to the people he killed.
ARCHER DID NOTHING WRONG.
>>141890332
he slaughtered a bunch of violent Afrikaans dundunuffins. Hes a hero.
>>141890332
Yeah, but the point is that he didn't want to kill people at all, and the more he killed the more he believed that someday he would reach a point when he wouldn't have to kill anyone and that everybody would be happy, but that never happened.
Like Price explained in Extra, humanity must evolve to survive, and humanity can only evolve through war because that force people to go beyond and surpass their limits, hence, wars would never end as long there's humanity in the world.
He trashed Rin's place during his landing. That's not a good thing, considering her money problems.
>>141890462
>humanity can only evolve through war
this meme again
>>141890332
Of course he did nothing wrong.
>>141890332
>he saved more people compared to the people he killed.
But that's simply not true.
>>141890510
He says that he saved thousands by killing 1
>>141890332
He lived his life wrong
Of course he did nothing wrong. He's the planet's agent.
>>141890462
>Yeah, but the point is that he didn't want to kill people at all, and the more he killed the more he believed that someday he would reach a point when he wouldn't have to kill anyone and that everybody would be happy, but that never happened.
This desu. but still, archer dindunuffin.
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>>141890551
>>141890332
Yeah he's right but the hero of justice thing is still fucking cringey.
Archer best girl
>>141890332
His actions were never wrong. If he'd actually believed in what he was doing instead of clinging to an ideal that was convenient things would be fine.
He thought the right thing to do was something else and he suffered for not seeing that through, no matter how stupid. That is his fatestay night.
>>141890381
This always bothers me. Aren't counter guardian absolute last line of defense for humanity? Why is he killing random admiral ackbars.
>>141890332
Fuck Archer what a savage piece of shit.
We Humans can solve our problems without going through violence.
>>141891028
>false flag baiting TM threads
Why such low hanging fruit
How many brown people did he end up killing, /a/?
How dumb is this guy? People are using violence to kill and injure other people...hmm how about I kill them and insight more violence? Autistic dipshit deserved his fate.
>>141890332
He couldn't save everyone. He failed.
>>141890332
am I the only one who likes Archer but hates Shirou?
>>141890499
>>141890462
War is only ever a transitional phase, desu.
>>141892499
>am i the only one who holds this wildly popular opinion
yeah, you're the only one
archer the counter-guardian sacrificing his eternity for the planet sucks. a preteen faggot constantly sperging HERO OF JUSTICE HERO OF JUSTICE HERO OF JUSTICE is a much better character
>>141890462
Humanity isn't heading that way though. Modern society is now leaning towards socialism and automation. Soon enough the trash of society will die out and the only ones left are the elites and quality members of humanity.
lol
swords on the hill stolen from berserk
>>141892796
Doesn't Fate predate Berserk?
>>141891662
Not enough.
>>141892610
He actually is, though.
Archer is just a facet of Shirou. Shirou, overall is a much more nuanced and interesting character.
I will admit though that the most interesting parts of him are directly connected to Archer.
>>141890332
So did Hitler but only /pol/ says he did nothing wrong.
>>141892836
Double kek
Under the kek
archer cant even save himself
how can does save anyone if you cannot save yourself
>>141892610
>a preteen faggot constantly sperging HERO OF JUSTICE HERO OF JUSTICE HERO OF JUSTICE is a much better character
kek no, this is what I fucking hate about shirou.
>>141890332
Saving is not algebra, you can only do it properly.
>>141893253
He doesn't just moan on about wanting to be a hero. He learns about the risks, the dangers, the weight of following his dream, and through the various routes, comes to understand why he should or shouldn't follow it.
Archer is a great character, but he is intrinsically tied to Shirou and his development. He is Shirou, and Shirou is Archer.
>>141893378
he keeps saying muh "hero of justice" over and over again it's fucking annoying and basically autism.
>>141892796
>lol
>>141893696
Well it's the cornerstone of his character.
The entire point of FSN is basically asking what it means to be a hero.
As well as asking who the best girl is, but we all know that's Rin, so it's more of a non-question.
>>141890332
Archer has few regrets about his life. He hated killing people, but he ultimately understood that his actions were "correct". He was pragmatic, but he saw his ideals through to the end.
The problem was his death. Archer was fundamentally misinformed about what becoming a Counter Guardian actually entailed. He believed that being a Counter Guardian would mean he'd be able to save countless people for all of eternity. What actually happened was that he became a mindless slave to the planet, killing endlessly, forever, without reprieve. He was doomed to see pain, suffering, despair and sadness forever and ever. That's when he snapped and started to curse his ideal. You have to understand that this is a literal ETERNITY of misery. It will never end, never stop. For as long as the universe exists, for as long as the Spiral of Origin exists, Archer is forever doomed to his miserable fate.
So you can see, his despair and anger is justified.
>>141892610
Well, it wasn't Archer who sacrificed his eternity, that was Shirou who ended up making that choice. It's through that choice that he became Archer after countless years as a CG.
And that's why Fate Shirou has it the best. He ends up leading a life that's more or less identical to Archers', but through Saber's example, he learns the folly of giving up his afterlife to his ideal. Fate Shirou follows his ideal through to the end and dies with satisfaction in knowing that he devoted his entire life to a cause he believed in. He doesn't become a Guardian because he knows that he doesn't owe the world that much.
>>141890332
Shirou vs Archer fight doesn't make sense for me.
>Archer: Imma kill you because in the future you'll turn like me. I'll do anything just to erase my existence.
>Shirou: I don't give a shit
>couple of flashbacks
>Archer lets shirou win
>Archer continues being a counter guardian
>>141894787
Well, even Archer knows that there's an extremely low chance that it would work. It's like he said, he was really just venting his frustrations.
In the end, though, none of the Shirous from any of the endings in Fate/stay night become Counter Guardians.
>>141894787
Archer didn't just want to kill Shirou, he wanted to make him admit he was wrong. Admit that his dream was faulty. Show that all the anger and frustration he was feeling was completely vindicated.
Shirou though didn't back down. He saw all the death, all the killing he may very well end up doing, and he accepted it. His dream was still not wrong.
And that made Archer realize maybe he was wrong. Maybe, in his age he had simply become jaded, and that he really did live a life of being a hero without regret.
That's why he lost. He realized the choices Shirou could make, the choices he was making, weren't the mistake he thought they were.
He then goes on to accept his duties as a Counter Guardian as to the best of his ability.
>>141894787
Read the VN. Archer literally states that Shirou made him realize he made the right choice to be a hero, even after the misery of being a CG. Watching and fighting his past self re solidified his motive and ideal.
>>141890332
shit looks like he's on the moon and wtf with the swords.
lel
>>141890934
if you kill someone who might kill two people then you saved more lives than you took
>>141890462
>humanity can only evolve through war
I take issue with this premise of his argument.
Fucking bullshit.
>>141890332
>archer
>uses swords
>"i-it's fine because he shoots them out like arrows!"
Damn, this franchise is fucking retarded.
>>141895121
He also uses regular arrows too.
Sometimes.
>>141895121
But he uses a bow too.
>>141890752
Did you say Hero of Justice? A Hero of Justice is what he wanted to be? I didn't know he wanted to be a Hero of Justice because he barely ever mentioned wanting to be a Hero of Justice. If he did, I must have missed it. Maybe he should have mentioned being Hero of Justice a few more times, because I don't think the show ever really made it all that clear that he wanted to be a Hero of Justice.
Speaking of Hero of Justice, have I told you about Hero of Justice yet. I think that's what that kid wants to be.
P.S.
Hero of Justice
Hero of Justice
Hero of Justice
Hero of Justice
Hero of Justice
Hero of Justice
>>141894903
>>141894917
>>141894953
My point is Archer went all through hardcore shit and then suddenly flip flop cuz his past self didn't gave up.
It's fucking lame..
>>141895376
He was too mesmerized.
Imagine being really passionate about something, but losing that passion as you age. If you were to meet your past self, you might the passion he exudes to be too blinding. That's why Archer lost. He was distracted by Shirou's sheer passion.
Because ultimately, Shirou and Archer are the same person. There is no way that Archer can't feel what Shirou feels. The origins are the same.
>>141895121
>saber
>doesn't use a curved sword
>>141894787
>I'll do anything just to erase my existence.
Archer knows that killing shirou won't change archer's existence. He just wants to shirou to say "Okay I was an idiot"/
>>141890934
>This always bothers me. Aren't counter guardian absolute last line of defense for humanity?
Those are Grand Servants who are individually powerful. Counter Guardians are just janitors.
>>141894598
Re-read UBW and Extra. He was always bitter. The Counter Guardian shit were a realization of how futile everything was.
Kiritsugu doesn't whine or throw as tantrum as counter guardian. Shirou's just a big baby.
>>141892747
So basically nobody on this site?
>>141895121
when will we get a lancer servant that actually uses a lance?
>>141890934
The Heroic Spirits who become Grand Servants are the last line of defense. Compare to them, Counter Guardians are like cannon fodder.
>>141895530
He becomes bitter and cynical, but he himself says that he has no regrets about his life. In Fate/EXTRA, he lacks the cynicism of his Fate/stay night self because as a Servant of the Moon Cell, he doesn't have to spend his eternity killing people endlessly. Archer has no regrets about his actions. He does believe that becoming a Hero of Justice is a silly, childish ideal, but he believe that his actions were ultimately for the best. That being said, if Archer DID have a regret about his life, it's that he wasn't able to truly become a hero like he dreamed. In Fate/EXTRA CCC, he gets an opportunity not just to save the world, but to save a life, no strings attached. It made him happy.
>>141895477
I know that, but Archer still want to give it a try.
>>141895581
>That being said, if Archer DID have a regret about his life, it's that he wasn't able to truly become a hero like he dreamed.
He had other regrets: unable to reach Seiba and save her (he event paused his suicidal mission to try to get her give up her wish) and (in CCC) he wasn't able to save Sakura (or at least he probably left her without knowing her trouble).
>>141895623
Eh, those particular regrets aren't particularly tied to his actions as a hero of justice. Neither the one about Ilya.
>>141895249
Shirou's up there with being one of my favourite characters ever, but I do hate the way he keeps repeating that. I probably wouldn't have a problem with it if they translated it differently.
>>141895121
Isn't there a whole thing about the archer thing being a state of mind or something?
>>141892499
Hi Archer.
>>141895548
arturia alter lancer
>>141895465
From the very start Archer programmed himself to kill shirou and his ideals.
>>141895465
>Imagine being really passionate about something, but losing that passion as you age. If you were to meet your past self, you might the passion he exudes to be too blinding. That's why Archer lost. He was distracted by Shirou's sheer passion.
I think you got it backwards, If my future self told me that I'm wrong I'd probably believe him and move on.
Most would do the same too.
>>141895853
Or you might find yourself disgusted at what you eventually become. Like an artist who finds out his future self is nothing more than a pragmatic sell-out.
>>141895853
I'd probably be pretty mad if my future failure of a self came back in time to teen me and told me to just give up whatever it was I wanted to do.
>mfw you would kill a man to harvest his organs to save 3 accident victims
>>141895874
>>141895940
enjoy failures then.
>>141890694
What is Achaah wearing here?
Did he kill many muslims and fucked every Arabian chick?
>>141890332
SEIGI NO MIKATA
>>141890332
Actually, this is completely true. Archer hasn't done anything wrong, ever. Assuming he acted with the intention of attaining the greatest good for the greatest number, his conscience should be clear.
The problem is that - Like his dad - he doesn't want to accept this as the truth. He wants to make it so that there are no sacrifices. Archer is, to be blunt, throwing a tantrum.
And the thing is, there's no point to what he's doing. I get the feeling that he doesn't really believe his insane plan will work. If he did, he would have just sprinted right for Shirou and cut his head off. Or he'd have blown his house up. It would be easy - There's nothing stopping him from killing Shirou, anyway.
At any rate, he's already sold his soul, so he's already damned. I get the feeling that being constantly teleported to scenes of terror, madness and the worst excesses of humanity would wear down anyone given time. Worse, he's doing it for eternity! He can't even pick and choose, because he'll pop in and out of existence through all of time and space.
Basically, Archer has fucked himself and he cannot unfuck his shit.
>>141890332
I wanna get in the series because of archer.
But every time I watch the first few episode I get annoyed by the MC and that shitty girl.
>>141891028
In a scale to 0 to cuck, how fucked is Canada?
>>141901119
>But every time I watch the first few episode I get annoyed by the MC and that shitty girl.
same here.
>>141901203
>>>/pol/
Take your off topic shit there.
>>141891028
Didn't Justin drop the People's Elbow on a bitch?
>>141891662
All of them. All of them, through infinity.
I like to think that the world placed Shirou somewhere in Syria, where all those boats loaded with refugees were about to cast off. He fires again and again, each shot turning a ramshackle boat full of human trash into a titanic fireball.
And then he strides off into the night, already called to his next mission. For us, who slumber under the great aegis of civilization, we sleep sounder knowing that someone like him is abroad. Forever defending us, doing the work that we never admit must be done.
I swear that board has become an /mlp/ tier virus
>>141890332
Thats why fate is shit
You cannot save everyone, that was the truth archer learned through his battles, so he saved the ones he chose to save.
But then Nasu went full retarded with his HERO OF JUSTICE, and shirou aspulled after aspull like its nothing, got out of every single clumsiest and dumb mistakes (like charging at invincible enemies without thinking) and then when he sees his wounds magically heal because muh sheath of saber asspull without knowing he just does it again without learning anything and gets out alive.
AND THEN HE BEATS GIL,OH WAIT ITS POSSIBLE BECAUSE REALITY MARBLE
He fucking saved everybody with the power of plot armor and asspulls
What the fuck, its just shitty writing
Fuck this game, its like its written by a teenager.
I dropped it after ubw end because it became so insufferable with him being so obnoxious and the same dialogue being played over and over again
>>141893762
still annoying he sounds like a fucking retard I can't stand that shit.
What a shit MC so is f/sn routes.
>>141901544
You're missing the point, you know.
The point of Fate is that the world is ultimately benevolent. Events conspire to fight the madmen who seek to destroy all of existence. A higher power is ultimately looking out for us. (In fact, the mere existence of Counter-Guardians prove that.)
And at the same time, another prevailing idea is that Man is still great. Sure, we're not in the time of legends anymore, where men bestrode the narrow world like colossi. But the spark of heroism still lingers, and the right man - in the right place, at the right time - can save the god damn world.
Shirou does all the stuff he can because he always had that potential. The seed of greatness was within him. His youthful idealism is worth more than Archer's world-weary, nihilistic cynicism, because even today, right now, there is still hope for man. No matter how dark things get, the human spirit ultimately shines through.
It doesn't matter if you're fighting the First Tyrant, or something so old and abominable it no longer has a name. You can still win, through the invincible spirit of the human soul on fire.
>>141890934
Because Miura is a retard who didn't read the VN.
I just watch f/sn because the side characters are more interesting than the MCs.
>>141901715
What the fuck is this bullshit?
>>141901916
It's the main theme of the show. I mean, we're not being subtle here, they're beating you over the head with the symbolism. It's ultimately an idealistic message.
>>141901544
>he just does it again without learning anything
You mean finally accepting that you can't save everyone but trying regardless because there's value in the attempt? Pay attention next time.
>got out of every single clumsiest and dumb mistakes
>4 good endings in 45 scenarios
>>141901789
Then you should read Hollow Ataraxia.
>>141901946
Its pasta right?
Nowhere did I get the idea that Shirou was the 'chosen one' with all the potential, it seemed like the writer just gave him power up after power up so that he could get out of pinch and beat his opponents no matter how powerful they were
>>141901948
No, I mean shit like going to school without your servant and not sleeping beside them because its too embarassing? What the fuck?
And his "ideal" isnt a good ideal, its retarded, you cannot save everybody if you are not a fictious character written by a shitty writer, and attempting to do so without any power and without applying a fragment of your brain and charging in like a bull is called being retarded and attempting suicide
>>141901544
yeah for some reason ginger kid managed to stab kirei while running like a fucking retard Kiritsugu on the other hand can't slice him not even once.
Shirou = KING OF ASSPULLS and PLOT ARMOR
It's not funny anymore...
>>141891028
Fuck I hate this logic.
No they don't win, as long as you aren't a fucking weak willed pussy who goes 'well I've killed this serial murderer, now I will start shooting up Jaywalkers and litterers'.
There are some people you HAVE to kill.
>>141902225
> and attempting to do so without any power and without applying a fragment of your brain and charging in like a bull is called being retarded and attempting suicide
This
These type of characters always die first if theyre not the mc's
>>141902226
>Shirou = KING OF ASSPULLS and PLOT ARMOR
Thats not how it works, the only reason why it seems like an asspull and plot armor, is because you're reading a VN where you get infinite save points until you reach the outcome.
You are literally reading/watching the only possible circumstance where Shiro managed to reach that outcome.
>>141902571
>muh saber's sheath
>muh reality marble
One of the first fate scenario-
Shirou and co encounters a near invincible foe
Saber goes to fight
Starts losing
Instead of trying to capture the master, he waits and then lunges towards the foe
Gets smashed to death
Still they all get spared because "muh too boring" aka shitty writing
Gets to taken to house
LOL HE DIDNT DIE ACTULLY HE HAS REGENERATION POWERS (TO BE REVEALED HOW LATER™)
>>141902225
ITs explained why it would be safe for him to be out in daylight without his servant, and "power ups" in UBW are a result of coming into contact with his future self, read the VN.
>you cannot save everybody
Which he knows and accepts.
>charging in like a bull is called being retarded and attempting suicide
Exactly. Shirou is lacking in self worth so he charges into situations without regard for his own life, it's pointed out in the text, and he does die in dozens of endings for it.
>>141902548
Shirou does die first, read the VN.
>>141902571
>charging to kotomine while screaming like a fucking retard
>kotomine just standing in one place looking at him
>got stabbed
>a skilled assassin like kerry can't even slice kirei
>not plot armor
>>141902834
I wouldn't call that plot armor, there would literally be no plot without Shiro having Saber's sheath. He wouldn't have been able to even summon any spirit and the story would have been about a high school kid whose town gets fucked.
>>141902834
>Still they all get spared because "muh too boring" aka shitty writing
Or because HIS SISTER DECIDED TO SPARE HER BROTHER YOU FUCKING RETARD
>LOL HE DIDNT DIE ACTULLY HE HAS REGENERATION POWERS
Avalon having regenerative powers is from the fucking myth, they also explained you need a catalyst to summon a servant, which is how he summoned Arthur. If you could put 2 and 2 together you would be able to follow this VN but alas
never post again
>>141902839
>read the vn,read the vn, read the vn
Is that all you all come up with?
I've only played the vn
Its shit
>>141902839
>Exactly. Shirou is lacking in self worth so he charges into situations without regard for his own life, it's pointed out in the text, and he does die in dozens of endings for it.
He should die in all of them considering how he gives no thoughts to his action
This is a kusogame
Admit it
>>141902966
What's the point of this post? reading the vn but being unable to understand it is just as bad as being a secondary.
>>141902834
Kerry finding Shirou and bringing him up and then him being able to summon Saber as well as his magic being tuned to swords are all connected and central to the plot. You wouldn't have the story with Shirou having Avalon.
It's not an asspull, it's literally one of the major plot points.
>>141903025
There are six good endings and 40 bad ends.
Heaven Feel route better morally
>muh saving everyone
>muh ideals
>>141903025
>He should die in all of them considering how he gives no thoughts to his action
except that's wrong, he does consider and think about how he approaches a situation, being machine-like is his whole schtick. im guessign you are an anime secondary because the vn shows how in depth his thought process is, calculating steps to escape from lancer for example in the prologue.
>As I expected.
>If I jumped out the window, he would definitely come after me.
>And he would kill me even before I could get up.
>That's why I expected the fatal blow and swung at it.
>I would have died if it was a second too late or a second too early. But considering the difference in our skill, I could never have been too early.
>So all I had to do was get up as fast as possible and swing at what was coming behind me.
>>141903149
So six end where he survives by pure luck
Should have been 46 bad ends
>>141903169
They never actually bring up morals. Shirou is always saying that he does it because he wants to. At no point does he say it's the right thing to do, he even admits the opposite multiple times. That's the whole point of him repeatedly saying it's selfish.
He's just selfish in another way in HF.
>>141902904
Implying Kirei was as strong in his prime fighting Shirou. Also, Zero was written AFTER Stay Night.
>>141903247
the only "luck" ending is HF True, maybe, if you didn't read or watch Kara no Kyoukai beforehand to get the puppet concept.
>>141903247
>So six end where he survives by pure luck
He survives by making the right choices and loving the right girl.
>>141903295
exactly this. I see people calling shirou a "moralfag" all the time and I'm wondering where the fuck they got that from.
>>141903223
>you must have been a secondary
Its like a defence mechanism fatefags have developed
They cant deal with people pointing out mistakes in fate, so they resort to calling them secondary and thinking their opinion must be wrong because they only watched the anime
I have only read the vn
>>As I expected.
>If I jumped out the window, he would definitely come after me.
>And he would kill me even before I could get up.
>That's why I expected the fatal blow and swung at it.
>I would have died if it was a second too late or a second too early. But considering the difference in our skill, I could never have been too early.
>So all I had to do was get up as fast as possible and swing at what was coming behind me.
EXCEPT HE'S A FUCKING LANCER
A lancer stabs, not swing, and considering his lance was as fast as lightening, he should not be able to block it, and even if he did, his sword should have broken and get stabbed anyway.
Also this is not what Im saying about not thinking, this is called reaction, much like spider sense.
What Im talking about is planning out a strategy, what advantages you have, what advantages your opponent has over you, how to proceed, things shirou never does, and always is either aloof, or charges like a madman
Shirou is just a badly written Vash
And even Vash was insufferable sometimes
>>141903491
>A lancer stabs, not swing
semantics
>this is called reaction
>and considering his lance was as fast as lightening, he should not be able to block it
except he didn't react to it you moron, that would be impossible. he throws out the shield preemptively because he's aware that he is outmatched in speed. which is "planning out a strategy, what advantages you have, what advantages your opponent".
>things shirou never does
things he does throughout the entire vn, which you would know if you read it. anime cuts his thought process out so i understand your confusion.
>>141903371
Kirei just stood in one place and didn't even tried block shirou's very predictable attack.
>>141904004
IT FUCKING PISSES ME OFF.
HOPEFULLY STRANGE FAKE SAVE THIS SHITTY FRANCHISE.
DON'T GO FULL RETARD NARITA
>>141903752
>except he didn't react to it you moron, that would be impossible. he throws out the shield preemptively because he's aware that he is outmatched in speed.
What shield? He did it with a sword.
Tell me how do you stop a lightening fast lance with a fucking sword?
The time it would take his sword to move an inch would have him pierced a thousand times.
This is also not called planning, it requires time and patience and thinking over and over again, what shirou does is just reaction
He's too busy with his SoL antics all throughout the vn
Give me an instance when he sits down with her partner, discussing how to find and beat their opponents, how to not get killed while taking a stroll in a war like a retard, how to proceed when identifying or encountering and opponent? His only strategy to find an opponent was "lets just take a stroll and find out"
>things he does throughout the entire vn, which you would know if you read it. anime cuts his thought process out so i understand your confusion.
You're back to ad hominem
I've stated before I've only read your shitty vn minus HF end
I wont say that again
>>141904091
How does it make you feel that Narita doesn't share your opinion of the franchise?
>>141904004
It was explicitly explained Kirei was overestimating himself. Would you take Shirou as seriously as Kiritsugu? He was also a bit shocked at projection abilities.
>>141904147
I respect his opinion BUT F/SN IS FUCKING AWFUL SAME GOES WITH APOCRYPHA.
>>141904219
You're implying a professional assassin can be beaten by a semi-competent retard who runs like madman?
Its fucking insane
Thats fanfic tier writing, like kids thinking they can beat wrestlers after watching a wwe fight
>>141904144
>Give me an instance when he sits down with her partner, discussing how to find and beat their opponents
"Okay, Gil is OP"
"This is how his powers work"
"Looks like UBW can beat it but I don't have enough mana to power it"
"I'll give you half of mine"
*Goes on to beat Gil with said power*
>>141904367
>professional assassin
Out of practice for 10 years.
>kids thinking they can beat wrestlers
They can, if the wrestler is underestimating them and the kid has a grenade on him (read: azoth sword).
>>141904144
>What shield? He did it with a sword.
Yeah. He used a shield later in the shed.
>Tell me how do you stop a lightening fast lance with a fucking sword?
By swinging preemptively.
>This is also not called planning
Indeed, it's called tactics. Which isn't the same as strategy.
>Give me an instance when he sits down with her partner, discussing how to find and beat their opponents, how to not get killed while taking a stroll in a war like a retard, how to proceed when identifying or encountering and opponent? His only strategy to find an opponent was "lets just take a stroll and find out"
Firstly, most of the Masters in the 5th HGW were unprepared due to how early and abruptly it started. This is a point made several times.
What I'm talking about here is when Shirou finds himself in a combat situation, he thinks and considers how to approach it. How do you think he beat Gilgamesh? Brute force? He used calculated pressure and exploited his enemy's weaknesses.
>I've only read the vn
No you haven't. All of your complaints are those commonly made by secondaries like "Shirou has plot armor and never dies" or "Shirou doesn't think". You aren't fooling anyone; read the VN.
>>141904523
>No you haven't. All of your complaints are those commonly made by secondaries
Maybe he just is that stupid.
>>141904377
Wow what a smart planning, at the end of the game.
It was fucking obvious, they didnt even need to think about it.
Also the reality marble asspull came here.
2. How the someone using noble fantasm with every fucking blow be beaten by normal swords?
It only resulted in his swords breaking?
Are you telling me they stopped just after clashing with a sword? They should have pierced right through him.
3. A fucking novice who just learned using ubw beats someone who does it all the time?
>>141904219
WHAT THE FUCK? GINGER KID WAS RUNNING TOWARDS KIREI METERS AWAY FROM HIM!
>Would you take Shirou as seriously as Kiritsugu
Okay?
>Kirei: oh ginger kid is going to stab me? hahaha I'm sure it won't penetrate my tough ass skin so I'll just stood here in one place like a fucking loser who's about to commit suicide on the middle of the road waiting for a car to hit him even though I can easily block him.
that makes fucking sense...
Do you forget how to ride bikes if you havent rode them for ten years?
Sword fighting relies on muscle memory
And he didnt even manage to stab him even once. azoth sword isnt a grenande.
It could at least clash with his sword.
>>141904642
Is this your first week on /a/? Why can't you stop posting like a faggot?
>>141904642
>I can easily block him
*I can easily block this whining retard.
>>141904523
>By swinging preemptively.
Okay let me rephrase that
Can you stop a fucking bullet with a sword?
Its the same
Should have been obvious when I said lightening fast.
Also this is also not called tactics. Not by a mile
Fatefags are retarded
Its like arguing with kids. Im done
>>141904091
>STRANGE FAKE
It's pretty good.for now
>>141904761
>Can you stop a fucking bullet with a sword?
This is actually a good example. Because you can't go faster than a bullet but you can be faster than the person pressing the trigger.
>>141904696
>>141904676
Meant for>>141904484
>>141904829
You were a dumb frogposter all along? Well that explains it.
>>141904824
Not that guy, but
WHAT?
He didnt dodge it, so the question of speed of the one firing the bullet doesn't come, he didnt block it(and even that would have failed and lance pierce right through it), he SWUNG it.
Literally the option with the least chance of survival
>>141904523
>I've only read the vn
No you haven't. All of your complaints are those commonly made by secondaries like "Shirou has plot armor and never dies" or "Shirou doesn't think". You aren't fooling anyone; read the VN.
Okay whatever you say, son
Goodnight
>>141904851
>didn't address shit
>got btfo about shirou being a shitty character armored by plot
>huuurd duuur frog poster
>>141904908
He preemptively swung his strengthened poster in an attempt to block an attack he thought would be coming. Did you miss the part where he has been swinging his poster at lancer up until then and it worked?
>>141904999
He didn't make any point.
>>141905015
>He didn't make any point.
>says the delusional shiroufag AKA king of asspulls
>>141905015
> Did you miss the part where he has been swinging his poster at lancer up until then and it worked?
Um, this again asking like how do you dodge a bullet with a sword.
That just means Shirou has ultra-god tier luck (or shitty writing)
>>141904574
>How the someone using noble fantasm with every fucking blow be beaten by normal swords?
>normal swords
Regardless of whether you read the VN or not, it's obvious you weren't paying attention. UBW was copying every noble phantasm that appeared, projected automatically even faster than Gils swords come out of its portals. They're degrade 1 rank but still enough overwhelm with speed.
>A fucking novice who just learned using ubw beats someone who does it all the time
That's part of Gil's weakness. Gate of Babylon is so OP he never bothered training it above novice level because novice was enough to kill anything.
>>141905107
>That just means Shirou has ultra-god tier luck
Or Lancer has ultra shit-tier luck.
>>141904642
He was shocked by what happened, Shirou took advantage and stabbed him in an instant. Stay fucking mad.
>>141905096
>F/SN
>asspulls
what
Reading so much analysis of Shirou has made me realize how boring he actually is. We even had to deal with this in Drei.
>>141905131
kek
>>141890332
>all these fate and shirou apologists
Just admit fate is shit and appreciate the masterpiece that is prisma illya like me
>>141905205
You can enjoy both. Only idiots limit their tastes.
>>141905205
>one of the highest rated game on EGS and vndb
>needing "apologists"
Shirou is a brilliant and complex character and FSN is good. Your contrarianism is showing.
>>141905205
>Just admit my line of thinking is the absolute truth
>Why do you have differing opinions than mine?
>>141905231
>enjoying shit
>calling it taste
Do you also read LNs written by teenager nips and fanfics?
>>141905138
>shocked
>veteran exorcist who've seen many types of fucked up magic
>shocked by projection magic
Had Kirei not ambushed her, Bazett and Lancer would have won the war.
>>141905244
>Shirou is a brilliant and complex character and FSN is good.
>>141905256
Do you really consider Prisma to be a high horse from which you can judge people's taste?
>>141905244
You know, naruto and sao are highly rated too, doesnt mean theyre good
>>141905244
>Shirou is a brilliant and complex character and FSN is good
>>141905329
Yes
>>141905350
No, they aren't. You're confusing popularity with acclaim.
HOLY SHIT SHIROUFAGS AND F/SN BABIES GETTING BTFO!!!
>>141890551
Fuck off touma
>>141902961
She ends up mutilating Shirou and taking his head with her in a bad end. Don't go full retard
>>141905314
Yes, exactly. If Shirou's character wasn't in a battle series with magical elements in a niche Japanese medium he'd be marveled as a literary masterpiece, a modern Hamlet that defines modern protagonists. First he'd need to be moved into a story without magic, and instead his backstory was that he was a survivor of a terrorist bombing 10 years and was then saved by the terrorist who planned the whole event. Then you could replace all the magical backstory with political elements and set the story in the Middle East, replace the Holy Grail War with a regular war, etc. If you had a more "serious" story that people didn't judge on the fact it had porn scenes and was from Japan, people would be regarding Shirou as one of the most interesting protagonists of modern literature. This is a fact that none of us can escape from even if we want to, Shirou's core psychology and thematic progression is absolutely incredible.
>>141905547
You're the only person in this thread who uses btfo and types in all caps. How do you not notice this?
>>141905547
>HOLY SHIT! My opinion is winning because I say so!
>>141905557
You mean the bad end where Shirou opts out of the war? How is that relevant to her deciding to spare him after seeing him almost suicide against Berserker?
>>141905588
>>141905597
>>141905675
>>141905675
This is some pathological delusion. Do you actually believe you've won a debate here? Did you decide that actually arguing was too hard so you'd forgo that step and call yourself the "winner"?
>>141905256
>not liking nasu's writing
痛い奴
>>141905277
>Surprised by generally undoable magic
>Questions who Shirou is momentarily
>>141905788
Autism.
>>141895853
Not if your future self is super strong and completely able to do what you dream of doing.
>>141895121
More importantly
>Shirou's entire character arc, and even the basis of Archet's power and UBW consists of being "fake"
>his origin is sword
Bullshit
>>141905870
>surprised
not this shit again...
>>141891028
They don't win but you haven't achieved complete victory.
Complete victory would be having every single enemy you have become an ally who'd die for you, but that only happens in shounen manga.
>>141905282
They would have still lost to Gil, unless you're also assuming they never would have fought him.
Archer might have stood a chance if he actually went all-out against them with Rin as his master: It mainly depends on if UBW is enough to proc fragglerock or not
>>141906035
Bazett & Lancer could double team Gilgamesh . Remember how long he held Gil off on his own in Fate.
>>141892836
No you 13 year old
>>141905609
From the way the anon I responded to commented , he implies that Illya spares Shirou because theyre siblings and out of love which is strange because she ends up torturing him in several bad ends
I know what's right. What I've protected until now, and what I want to protect right now. I know which choice is correct, and which is wrong. With that in mind, I...
[ ] Persist on becoming a hero of justice. The man who turned away from the Einzberns for something he believed was right. I've chosen the same path.
[ ] I just want to protect Sakura, that's all.
http://strawpoll.me/7273838
>>141902124
This and Fate/Zero. FSN aged like milk.
>>141906189
how'd it age like milk? it's fully voice acted and has great music.
>>141905839
Mahoyo genuinely has the best prose Nasu's written. Shit sets the mood so well, especially with the top notch visuals and sound.
I guarantee whenever it'll sound like shit in english though, whenever it gets translated.
Reminder that Kirei got btfo by Caster's bone creatures while Shirou managed to fight against them.
>>141906558
Isn't he with Rin or Saber every time he fights them? And with Caster nowhere in sight.
>>141905277
>guy who normally has no talent is now capable of doing basic magic at a level so advanced nobody else on earth could match him.
>not being surprised
Tomoko save my soul for hell with her love.
>>141904642
I chuckled
>>141891028
This trudeau is my man
>>141902485
No you fucking retard you dont have to kill anyone.
>>141906826
surprised by what? by a kid charging towards him with a shitty dagger?
>>141907513
Him reproducing Avalon which basically makes him immortal.
>>141907777
Avalon had been inside shirou's body the whole time.
You actually think a veteran exorcist who went through a lot of fucked up shit would be surprised by.... that?
>>141908042
Yeah but he gave it to Saber right before the final fight. The one he used in the fight was created from scratch.
>>141906826
>surprised
>>141890332
>saving peolpe
People are evil and rotten to the core, they don't deserve to be saved if they can't save themselves. the only one who was right was gilgamesh
>>141895492
So there is some sort of X-COM made of dead ancient heroes?
>>141907513
>a shitty dagger
How secondary can you get?
>>141908192
This
>>141895809
And he failed when he realized those ideals were still worth living for.
>>141896219
Shirou doesn't fail though. He not only goes on to live his dream, he goes on to surpass Archer.
He does better than Kerry. He does better than the self a fought against. He gets to forge a new future that hasn't been written.
