Is this even possible or it's just bullshit physics?
>>141758716
I assume moving on the side would help, though the train itself is so heavy I'm not sure it would do much difference.
Pretty sure them "pushing" the wall is just bullshit though.
>>141758794
I'm pretty sure pushing works even if they are inside the train.
>>141758878
No considering the number of people are in the train and how the train's weight is significantly heavier.
>>141758878
I can understand them moving on the side, because it would slightly move the train's center of gravity to the right, and this maybe could help get the train back on track.
But I can't see what "pushing" would achieve. For as much as the push the wall, the wall pushes them, but neither is moving. They're not creating anything here, just spending energy for nothing.
>>141758794
i think they aren't pushing the wall
more like pushing the stuffs around so they won't slide to the other side
![[Kabaneri.org] Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress - 06 [720p].mkv_snapshot_20.51_[2016.05.20_14.09.13].png](https://i.imgur.com/gysMEHT.jpg "[Kabaneri.org] Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress - 06 [720p].mkv_snapshot_20.51_[2016.05.20_14.09.13].png")
>>141759531
Just watched that part again, I think they do.
But oh well, I'm ready to accept this much from chinese cartoons.
>>141759464
They are pushing because of the force they need to do to stay on the right of a derailing train in motion. Or do you assume that it would be easy to lean on the opposition of the center of gravity within a ship? No.
>>141759656
They were probably pushing in order to stay against the wall, if you consider the angle the train was at they might've fallen back to the other side otherwise.
If they really wanted to help wouldn't they all get on the ground too?
>>141759464
I'm talking about the initial push, when they run to the wall.
>>141758716
Of course it's possible. Have you watch Speed?
>>141759689
>>141759723
The way they're doing it seems pretty dumb to me. When I push against a wall, I tend to get pushed away instead. I'd grip on something and pull instead. No?
I feel like I'm thinking way too much about this.
>>141759800
all internal forces on a body are balanced mate, all they can do is shift the centroid of mass famalam
to a stemautist like me, this was akin to watching someone push a door that needs to be pulled on levels of retardedness
>>141758716
Kek.
Inside a wagon, you do not pushing a wagon itself, you just pushing a wall and a floor in differenet directions.
>>141759800
When they ran to the wall they transmitted their momentum.
>>141758716
Obviously 'pushing' against the wall doesn't do anything but distributing their weight differently has a significant effect. This is especially important in aircraft, since the centre of mass needs to be located underneath the wing surface that provides the main lift, otherwise the lift will rotate the aircraft around it and possibly cause it to stall.
This is what happened here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M01RmcKsm2k
The cargo wasn't secured properly and slid to the back of the plane.
>>141758716
No, every child knows that. I mean, moving to the left side of a train is already stretching the limits of possibility, but moving to the right side of a train is outright ridiculous.
>>141759842
This Russian knows his wagon pushing.
They're retarded peasants, they just think it'll work.
Is everyone who watches this show a retard?
How the fuck do those talk tube work on a fucking train made up of different carriages?
>>141760302
the trains are made of kabanes anon
they relayed the message from car to car
>>141760036
/thread
>>141759849
The momentum they generated was countered due to the fact that they were acting against the floor of the train to generate it. All the force they could generate would have been balanced, unless the train didn't have a floor and they were standing on the ground.
>>141760492
>trains
>having floors
What kind of utopia do you live in?
>>141760523
This shit isn't the flintstones, Barney.
>>141759800
>>141759849
It doesn't matter the momentum that they made. What matters is that the shift in the center of mass got sufficiently moved so that the train would get back on the track.
Them pushing on the wall was a result of them countering their own force within their body of getting thrown to the left side of the train because you know it was leaning towards that side. It was not to *push* the train to the right.
>>141760302
nano-kabanes, son
>Series full of zombies with steel-caged heart and has a 12 years old girl with big boobs jumping around dual wielding shotguns
>meanwhile /a/ complains about this
Sasuga
>>141759656
>>141759531
>implying it isn't a human reaction
I'd either be pushing on it thinking 'tip back, please' over and over again or trying to get as low to the corner of the wall as possible.
Sometimes you just do things because it makes you feel better. Pushing on the wall is a pointless release of tension and aggravation. A wat to make you feel like you're in control.
>>141760302
Easy. At both end of every carriage there's a relays office. They receive any message sent and write it down. They then attach it to a carrier pidgeon that flies to the next carriage. The relays office there receives the pidgeon, and relays the information by yelling into their respective tube.
This is basic stuff man. Why do I have to explain this?
>>141760808
This.
e.g. pushing a button in a video game 'harder' when performing a tough jump even though it doesn't do anything.
>>141760816
But the princess's voice was coming from all the tubes.
>>141760847
Well she obviously used the officially accepted tube override code. When a relays office receives this code they instead yell the message into every available tube.
The code is only rarely used as it can lead to infinite loops and thereby very sore throats.
>>141760779
it's anime
young girls with tits and shotguns is pretty much par for the course
>>141760833
or texting your ex after 3 years have passed because you still miss her even though you know dead people can't reply
>>141760833
>even though it doesn't do anything.
Pressure sensitive button jumps is a thing. Unless you're playing some kusoge.
>>141761011
No.
>>141761011
>>141758716
Why Hime always end up being meme instead of being actual important part of story?
Why don't they all just move to the top of the train so it starts flying?
>>141758716
> Armor plates are several tonnes a piece
> Crew complement is maybe 2-3 tons if they're well fed
Yes. It will definitely work and is not a jab at Speed.
>>141761177
because trains belong on tracks you fucking retard
>>141761488
So why don't they just jump on the tracks to make those fly?
>>141759778
When they run to the wall they're actually pushing the train's floor in the opposite direction making it tip over even more.
>>141761525
because that would push the world closer to the sun, killing everyone instantly
>>141760492
Only if it's static push. If they dynamically move around, they can exert force on just the wall. But the train is too heavy for this. It's possible to do it to to trams though.
What if they all jumped up and dropkicked the wall instead?
Why are there only human Kabane and not animals
Why are there no animals at all
How do they eat
>>141761624
What? No. If they push the tracks upward with their gravitational momentum, the earth gets pushed down. It's simple preservation of momentum. That is of course unless you do it by night.
>>141758716
Pushing the wall obviously dont do shit since all the force you deliver to the wall you deliver back to the ground, the other way. Standing close to the wall can't hurt tho.
>>141761724
If you do it at night then you'd rocket the earth into space because the sun is gone
>>141761165
What about Himemiya of Utena
>>141761165
Anime is a meme
You're all idiots, goddamm. Yes it works. It the train doesn't tip over by the time they're beyond the curve, then the weight of the will pull it back down on the tracks. Their weight only created a balance so it wouldn't fall off.
>>141761767
Unless you use the moon as the substitute for astrogravitational rebalancing.
>>141759656
I agree,,, only disney make better cartoon.. get out from /a
>>141761855
You're suppose to lean into the curve, but they're just pushing the wall
They're going to make it fall
>>141761893
Pushing against the wall out of desperation, not for any practical purpose.
>>141761867
Astrogravitational re-balancing implies substituting the space-time fabric of gravitational reality with pretentious subjective ideas of momentum based in a system that is self-limited by the Fermi Paradox
>>141761920
>these excuses
it's bad writing and you know it, stop defending this garbage show
![image003[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/qNpewg5.jpg "image003[1].jpg")
>>141761475
Every gram counts.
>>141762047
you watch this garbage show?
>>141761964
>Fermi Paradox
What does the apparent non-existence of extraterrestrial life have to do with a gravatiaionl system?
>>141762121
yes, I watch anime
>>141762047
Shut up faggot. She said "move to the right side of the train" not "lol push the wall guise XD"
>>141762155you dont seem to understand
>>141761964
That principle only applies to subreal vector spaces with limited Kerr constant. In a system displaying multiple alienation effects a near-implementation of astrogravitational rebalancing can be possible under the application of Buys Ballot's law. We can expect characters in this show to know that since they seem to have at least a modicum of education.
>>141762182
that mean you are garbage
It just works
>>141762224
A modicum of education in what amounts to a transitional period of late edo japan transposed into a pre-steam-punk-esque enviroment matters little. I double even the nobles could describe the non-real differences in constants between the quantum theory of Lewis Convergence and the flip of a fair coin. This is, of course, under the implications that both P. Sherman and Ralph Wiggum were within at least 4 significant figures going by Moore's Law
>>141760302
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speaking_tube
>>141762524
>pictures
this is a text board you faggot
pictures belong in little kid books
grow up
>>141762559
I'm pretty sure this post is a bannable offense. Moot banned someone for doing this in the past.
>>141762600
Who?
>implying Hiroshima Nagasaki gives a shit as long as the traffic keeps flowing
>>141762600
Who?
>>141762600
Who?
>>141762447
Are you really completely ignoring the influence of the Gosling-Sheridan-Naughton Act on the educational reforms of late-Edo-Steam-Punk-Japan's railroad school system? The prioritization of quasi-physical effects that govern Watt-style steam-based mechanics had massive influence on the post-early-Edo educational standards.
>>141761593
imagine you sitting inside a walmart cart. you can still make it move bit by bit. or imagine if you just jump up in the air, creating no force in either direction, then kick something in mid-air, it will create a force in that direction without reflecting any backward force.
not saying that's how it worked here tho
>>141762600
>Moot
who is that?
some shitty attention whore moderator?
>>141760040
this guy gets it
>>141761593
The tipping point of the train is on top, pushing downwards in the opposite direction towards the rails won't make it tip over more.
>>141763128
That. That is just. Seriously. I mean. For fucks sake.Read up on momentum.
>>141762524
seems legit, why are some anons having an autist fit?
Pushing wouldn't do anything, but I had a situation in a bus where almost everyone was sitting on one side abd the bus driver had to ask some of the passengers move to the other side because it was affecting the bus.
>>141762600
>Moot
you mean Moogle kupo?
>>141763128
>you can still make it move bit by bit
I can crash it with no survivors.
>>141758716
I think it's on the same level of pulling up a bucket while you're inside of it, it achieves nothing.
Them moving to the the right can actually have an effect I think, because of the mass shift, but I'm not a stemfag so I'm not sure.
>>141763726
>Them moving to the the right can actually have an effect I think, because of the mass shift, but I'm not a stemfag so I'm not sure.
The effect is reasonable. You don't even need to have done highschool phys let alone higher ed STEM
>>141763400
Would help wedge them in place so their weight stays in the point to try and counter the tipping. Telling people to push > telling people to gather on the side, because the average person is dumb enough to not brace themselves.
>>141758716
The last of romantic tension in this episode made me sad.
>>141761593
>When they run to the wall they're actually pushing the train's floor in the opposite direction making it tip over even more.
>>141759831
>to a stemautist like me, this was akin to watching someone push a door that needs to be pulled on levels of retardedness
>>141760492
>The momentum they generated was countered due to the fact that they were acting against the floor of the train to generate it.
>>141763400
>but I had a situation in a bus where almost everyone was sitting on one side abd the bus driver had to ask some of the passengers move to the other side because it was affecting the bus.
>>141763726
>Them moving to the the right can actually have an effect I think, because of the mass shift, but I'm not a stemfag so I'm not sure.
Education standards have really gone downhill
>>141764235
> You must be 18+ to browse this site
> Highschool fags didn't learn about Newton
>>141764235
What's your point? None of those are wrong, except for the first one.
>>141763400
Never had a fat guy in a small car before? Shock strut systems don't like being off balance.
>put mirrors in orbit
>converge sunlight onto a single point on the surface of Earth
>get an anti-kabane space laser beam
Why haven't they done this?
>>141762047
You're bad writing you stupid fuck. That's exactly how people would have acted when facing this kind of situation.
>>141761106
delete this
>>141764426
>>Them moving to the the right can actually have an effect I think, because of the mass shift, but I'm not a stemfag so I'm not sure.
>Not sure of simple facts
>>but I had a situation in a bus where almost everyone was sitting on one side abd the bus driver had to ask some of the passengers move to the other side because it was affecting the bus.
>Sounds like the previous guy
>>The momentum they generated was countered due to the fact that they were acting against the floor of the train to generate it.
>Thinks you can't generate any momentum from running from 1 side to another.
>to a stemautist like me, this was akin to watching someone push a door that needs to be pulled on levels of retardedness.
>meant to quote the guy he was quoting
If it would help at all depends on the proportion of the combined weight of the passengers (the "live weight") to the weight of the train itself (the "dead weight"). Having them all move shifts the center of gravity by that amount. As for if the running and shoving would do anything? Probably not, since you can't really generate all that much momentum as a human, especially not in such a confined space.
>>141764834
>Thinks you can't generate any momentum from running from 1 side to another
Isn't he referring to the pushing?
>>141764947
Their combined mass would have no effect on a train that thick with heavy metal plating but it's an anime so ignore that part and focus on the mechanics of their actions.
>>141765010
No check the guy he replied to
>>141765019
Is there any canonical information given about the mass of the train, and how many people were on it at that moment?
>>141763302
He's right though.
>>141763297
You're right, I stand corrected.
Can somebody post the webm already holy fuck please. You know the one.
This reminds me of a Hollywood movie where bunch of sailors running from side to side on their boat repeatedly and later they did flip the boat.
![[HorribleSubs] Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress - 06 [720p].mkv_snapshot_18.23_[2016.05.19_22.28.48].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/xxqrUrz.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress - 06 [720p].mkv_snapshot_18.23_[2016.05.19_22.28.48].jpg")
You've disappointed her. What do you have to say for yourself?
Running into the wall would produce a force towards the wall because of inertia. Simply pushing on the wall is completely pointless. The same reason that if you stood on a tile and pulled it up you don't fly into the air, even if you could otherwise lift the weight of the tile and yourself.
Only space elevator threads get better than this.
>>141765010
Not the guy you replied to.
In order to get to the right side of the train, they need to push on on the floor with their feet to get the momentum necessary to move.
This would necessitate an equal amount of momentum given to the train in the opposite direction, but trains are heavy and most of that momentum would probably end up going into the earth anyway.
Once the people hit the other side of the train, from a momentum perspective, everything goes more or less to how it was before.
Now, with a bunch of rice farmers on one side of the train, the train's center of mass has shifted, which, according to the Habanero writers, resulted in enough torque to "counter" the torque the tracks are putting on the train by trying to turn it. The people are pushing against the walls either because the writers are retarded, or it's hard to stand up in a tilty spot, so they're bracing themselves.
The real abuse here is the turns that the train has made in past episodes, it should have derailed long ago.
>>141765465
I....I'll try harder next time
If you don't graduate from highschool, you will think the pushing works when its not. The moving to the right does make the train more stable but if you're pushing something while you're on it, the total force will be 0, just like how you can't move a car by pushing it form the inside
>>141758716
People moving to the right side yes. The pushing is more of a 'stick to the right wall' thing so people don't get shaken to the other side. Similar to what japanese people inside buildings do during earthquakes.
>>141765149
I see you are American too.
>>141765895
The pushing is to brace themselves.
>>141765149
>what is friction
>>141765465
Looks like we'll have to stick something in the burner.
>>141766102
>>141765149
Also conversion of momentum for the second "example" listed.
![[HorribleSubs] Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress - 06 [720p].mkv_snapshot_18.41_[2016.05.19_22.28.16].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Km85QLT.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress - 06 [720p].mkv_snapshot_18.41_[2016.05.19_22.28.16].jpg")
>>141766133
Hope you can take the heat
>>141766202
>conversion
Conservation. Typo.
>>141765984
why would someone push something when they can just grab something to hold. Also, you can just crouch and stay or lay down creating the most friction against the floor
>>141766253
Because if you're holding on your center of gravity is going away from the wall with the tilt. By pushing you're keeping it flat against it.
>>141766253
>...or lay down creating the most friction against the floor
Yeah, that would work greatly in lab conditions where the floor's not moving and shaking and everyone has assigned part of the railing and they do it in non panicky manner.
This thread needs more Mumei.
>>141766727
>she's going to stop wearing her based battle gear and go back to stupid looking civ clothes
why
>>141766253
>or lay down
Enjoy the heavy metal bench hitting your head because you didn't push it against the wall.
![[HorribleSubs] Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress - 04 [720p].mkv_snapshot_11.51_[2016.05.06_16.43.53].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/6mitMpV.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress - 04 [720p].mkv_snapshot_11.51_[2016.05.06_16.43.53].jpg")
>>141761475
i thought the walls were made of paper with how easy they blast apart while leaving the fleshy crew unharmed
>>141758716
While the pushing was retarded, they needed to balance out the train so that it won't fall over.
>>141758716
We don't know how fast the train was going, the precise curvature of the tracks, the weight distribution of the train, or how many people were actually on board. Ayame said everyone go to the right, which would help, however much, weigh the train down on the side that was threatening to flip upwards. It might not have made enough of a difference to matter at all, but in a desperate survival situation you do whatever you can.
Pushing on the wall of the train, while stationary on the right side of the train, would do nothing. The dude who said "push" was some scrub in the back for the train. After he says that, people start slamming into the right wall of the train and staying there. Their initial impact would slightly help to right the train, and he could also have been saying it so people would know to brace themselves against the wall since the curve is forcing them back to the left. If the train tracks curved more sharply to the right, the train would go up more and someone could lose their footing and fall to the left of the train, which would only exacerbate the weight distribution problem. Technically, pushing would also ensure that their center of gravity is as close to the wall as possible. And let's not forget that in emergency situations its good to give people a simple unifying task so they won't freak out.
SO when Ayame says get to the right side, that makes perfect sense. When the guy says push, he does it in the heat of the moment to rally the crowd and aid the situation, though it does seem some of the uneducated passengers are pushing on the wall with all their might as if that might make a difference. You can nitpick whether or not you think the shows creators believed that pushing the wall while stationary made a difference, but a high school physics education is enough for me to tell you that their actions made sense and could have made a difference.
>>141766975
Even habaneros need a day off
Really though, keep the hairstyle, bring back the yukata.
>>141765390
You mean Pirates of the Carribean?
>>141763146
No idea be I see pics posted of him calling him a duck or a truck or something.
>>141768852
>>141763146
>one day such posts will be serious
![Ultra Seven Episode 32.mp4_snapshot_24.56_[2016.04.16_22.58.37].png](https://i.imgur.com/KrE44VD.png "Ultra Seven Episode 32.mp4_snapshot_24.56_[2016.04.16_22.58.37].png")
>>141768083
>that image
