mil is God
>>141739978
is mil a fat bastard? He can't draw anything else.
>>141739613
The mom was better
I don't see much NTR here only rape.
The kid was their first and they love his dick much more than the governor.
And you forget they chose to come back home.
NTR killed my childhood
>>141739835
What's is this hive-mind retardness?
>>141740894
to be continued bro
>>141739613
The way mil draws women is delicious. They are so plump and fluffy.
>>141741755
They are american fat levels and the men are vomit inducing
>>141741748
It has been pretty much decided that they rejected the governor.
Even in the darkest moment only the young master image was in their minds.
>>141739978
nah anon Hana Hook is better
>>141739613
Hello, my cucky friends.
Haven't seen your threads in a while. Was it too unlively perhaps, or mods are hunting your head again?
Time to search for greener pastures, I believe?
>>141742172
You are mixing NTR with cuckness again anon, different concepts for different people.
>>141742269
>this shit is not totally not like that shit
Who cares.
You're both shit, litterally.
Read the mood, cuck. No one likes you here
>>141742172
>>141742377
Are you japanese by any chance?
>>141742377
you might want to go back to your containment site of reddit, you can down vote posts you don't like there
>>141742461
Does it matter?
>>141742377
Speak for yourself
>>141742486
Reddit is for emasculated fags and manhandled cucks like you.
Don't give me something you need the most
>>>/Reddit/
netorare is love netorare is life
>>141741748
Afterword says he plans on drawing different characters.
>>141743772
So the good ending is canon?
>>141743981
Bittersweet is what I would call that.
>>141744336
Pic related smiles are genuine.
>bittersweet
you mean pregnancy? that's easy to fix in ancient japan, ninjas did it everyday.
>>141744684
It's bittersweet in my book until they do something about the milf.
>>141744890
Damn you made me remember we just needed 1 page with the old fart dying of heart attack to be complete.
>>141744980
I don't get why she didn't just sit on him, or break his neck or something. She was much bigger, younger, and had more muscle mass and bone strength than that weak stick.
>>141739613
This hit all my fetishes then FUCKING FAT OLD MAN OUT OF NOWHERE
I FUCKING HATE YOU JAPAN
NTR is for beta cucks.Fuck off cucks.
Americucks and Yurocucks do NTR irl.
I love them
![[angry screech].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/B1L4I6o.jpg "[angry screech].jpg")
>expect /ss/
>get this shit
>>141746939
>>141746742
It's like your learned nothing from the Greatest Love Story Ever Told
>>141742065
sauce
>>141747005
She beat the cock tho senpai
The rapist are doing life in prison
>>141747247
Just look for "Hana Hook"
>>141747295
Is that the LN ending?
>>141747295
>She beat the cock
Why can't we have more good women like Kyouka-san in anime?
>>141741908
Ah you are new to xration I see, you will learn.
>>141747495
What, I thought xration was a skilled writer. Are you telling me he's a one trick pony?
>Reading my first X-Ration doujin which just happened to be vanilla.
>Didn't learn the artist's name until much later.
>Find out the name of X-Ration and eagerly look for more of his works on Sadpanda.
>Almost all of his works are NTR
>Find out the doujin I liked had a second chapter which ended in NTR
Why do the best artists cater to the worst fetishes?
Is it too wrong for X-Ration, Darabuchi, and Carn to do more vanilla than what little they already do?
Can someone explain the appeal of ntr? Is like getting cucked or being the guy who does the cucking?
>>141748037
There are three different appeals I can think of.
Firstly, some sadists like to imagine they're the guy stealing a girl from someone else.
Secondly, some cucks like to imagine they're being cucked because they're subhuman trash.
Thirdly, some anons have watched too much happy feel-good stuff and feel like experiencing something unpleasant, almost like a palette cleanser, or a jump into unpleasantly icy water before you go back to a hot spring.
why do vanillacucks always shit up ntr galleries with their blogposts?
I wish there's an option to turn off the comment section in sad panda. I try not to look but I always see them in the corner of my eye.
>>141739613
you and your fetish, FUCK OFF
>>141748215
>faps to ntr
>vanillacucks
The best type of netorare is childhood friend ntr, prove me wrong.
>>141748274
>vanillacuck thinks ntr afficionados self insert as the betafag mc
>>141748343
So you self insert as the fat balding old man?
>>141748339
imouto ntr
>>141748343
>not self inserting as the betafag mc
It's like you don't hate yourself or something
>>141748367
>self inserting
that's why you're a cuck. We fap to women being mindbroken and corrupted by dick.
>>141748367
yes since we will all be fat and balding one day
>>141748387
>can't disprove a point
>be grammar nazi instead
everytime
>>141748403
yeah but then why not just read regular rape doujins, why does it have to be NTR?
>>141747989
Mostly I think some authors go the ntr route because they want to do something different, too many good authors do only vanilla, and I never see anyone talking about them, because most vanillas stories are easy to forget.
Stuff like cherry pink stands out, but too many vanilla stories are completely forgotten because they have no interesting plot point.
I like NTR because I'm an emotional masochist. My other fetishes are SPH and humiliation.
>>141748444
NTR has lewder sex scenes on average
>>141748387
Funny how it's vanillafags who are always on the offensive.
>>141748490
>because I'm an emotional masochist
what does this even mean
But why is incest NTR even better?
Mother/sister/daughter
Is it the extra emotional pain?
>>141748444
because ntr provides the narrative on how these women slowly succumb to the pleasure.
I like NTR where the woman is overcome with guilt over her infidelity but ultimately can't resist the superior cock.
I also like to self insert as the woman in these scenarios.
>>141748613
I don't like getting hit, but being treated with scorn is hot.
>>141748667
Of course the best NTR is shota NTR, where a naive young boy has his first lover snatched away from, scarring him for life
>>141748829
>not NTRing the girls with the shota
>>141742065
Anything other artists like her? I've read the four or five stuff by her
>>141748815
>being treated with scorn is hot
This. Extra points if it's a scornful loli.
>>141748886
>>141748919
>no counter arguments
>grasping at straws
>mad as fuck
I'm afraid to read NTR as it is one of the depressing things that can actually be true in reality
>>141746742
I always thought fat was supposed to make your dick smaller. These guys must have fucking meter sticks for dicks.
>>141749330
But does it give you a boner?
>>141748886
NTR isn't a cuck fetish unless you want it to be.
Why does it trigger you so much? Do you get this angry at scat/rape fans?
>>141747943
WIth Xration its either its Thicc Milfs raping shotas or NTR or even Shotas NTR'ing milfs or in this case Thicc and Milfs being NTR'd from shotas
>>141749330
A Kiznaiver NTR doujin wouldn't depressing though. Imagine watching MC being cucked by Tenga after all his bs. That would be downright satisfying.
>>141747495
>>141744684
>>141739613
These are worthless breeding whores, it's a good thing they're shown their place either way.
>>141748403
THIS
ntr haters in suicide watch
I want to actually be those guys who steal girlfriends and make them slave to dick.
How do I accomplish this?
>>141748403
>We fap to women being mindbroken and corrupted by dick
Asanagi's entire extistence revolves around mindbreaking women and would even slaughter them for his own amusement
And yet, he is disgusted by NTR. Guess what that tells you, cuck
>>141752184
Shitpost on 4chan and make lots of doujin
>>141752184
First you need to get out of your house and talk to people.
>>141752184
Win the genetic lottery and have confidence. Money also helps.
>>141748403
>wanting to see a fat old man's dick
This is why tentacle rape is always going to be superior to NTR.
>>141752432
>Not wanting to see a fat old man dick.
It's what we'll all have in about fifty years anon. It's simply looking into the future.
>>141739613
I hope he comes up with a final book where the milf and daughters get fucked in front of the shota.
>>141739613
Because it provides delicious tears.
>>141748155
I like it just to see the girl got mindbroken from resisting to finally give in to the pleasure.
>>141739613
I got into NTR mostly because I hated newfags
I ended up staying because no other genre has that much ahegao
>>141739613
Get back on the boat, Huey.
>>141752184
Become filthy rich.
>>141748403
>women being mindbroken and corrupted by dick
A true coinnoisseur.
>>141748403
Only self hating idiots insert as the beta male, /a/ has a long way to go yet.
>>141748444
>why not just read regular rape doujins
Son, you don't get it.
Rape starts with the premise of the woman not liking it and then getting mindbroken into a sloppy mess, besides, it's too violent for my taste.
NTR starts with the premise of the woman liking it and in some cases even wanting it but not being able to admit it, that's the point, NTR's whole point is getting rid of all the hypocrisy through the sheer power of the dick.
>>141747295
I don't think so, maybe the others.
IIRC the boss dude settled to start a family with them.
>>141739613
>no longer does full color monster rape image sets
Don't NTRcucks realise how pathetic they sound when they say they self insert as the 'alpha'?
>>141749301
lurk for 2 years before posting dumb crossboarder
Jared is a legend.
>>141756503
What a disgusting whore. That she didn't do it out of malice makes her deserve it even more.
>>141756503
You do know that was written by a troll right?
>>141756643
Did you know most legends are also false?
>>141752184
>slave to dick
Don't tell me you also believe in the pleasure of being cummed inside and the power of dick
>>141739613
>why is NTR so great?
NO
>>141756813
I believe in the power of beating the cock because I have lost every single time.
>edging to monster girl doujins, speedreading them and not paying much attention to the tags or artists
>get to one with a harpy and a boy who are trying to save their temple or some shit
>boy signs some agreement with fat fuck old man to save said temple but gets conned out of his temple and his harpy gf
>think nothing of the story so far and think it's just some regular monster girl doujin with more plot than usual
>start getting closer to the end and a bad feeling starts to develop in my stomach
>the boy ends up getting mega cucked in the end and becomes a beggar
Fucking NTR. I fucking hate myself for not paying more attention, and I fucking hate you faggots who like this shit.
Anyone know of any good ntr with actual plot and story arcs? Ideally something that doesn't focus on the beta.
I've read pretty much everything from mil, kon kit, shindoL
Thanks!
>>141757044
AHO BAKA
>>141746742
>>141748367
>>141752432
>>141752490
>>141757044
I'm not into ntr, but fucking old men turns me on. Too bad I will never be the girl.
Why do people take NTR so seriously?
>>141757276
Because they're newfags that cannot stop themselves from self-inserting as the MC and that's triggering their moralfaggotry.
>>141757044
>the faggot that jacks off to birds thinks anyone cares about his opinion
>>141739613
I like NTR when it's a doujin, but hate when it's an original work.
>>141739978
With the art sure but stories? No.
>>141757276
because bug
Who /RocketMonkey/ here?
>>141761348
literally wo?
>>141763276
Best NTR artist.
>>141764671
no-one can resist the cock
>>141749371
They may be rapists, but they don't want to KILL the women. The fat is a necessary evil so the cock-hungry sluts don't end up like Mr. Hands.
>>141757349
Fuck off me you cuck. I'd rather jack off to qt birdgirls than fat bald men and super cucks any day of the week.
>>141766666
HOLY SATANIC QUINTS BATMAN!
>>141766666
We love NTR because we self insert as the one stealing the girl, not the one getting cucked.
Can CUcK stop being word filtered?
>>141748403
>We fap to women being mindbroken and corrupted by dick
but why
>>141766880
You're supposed to self insert as the filthy cheating slut.
>>141766666
>Still being mad your dad threw you out and call you a cuckboy
>>141767083
Well, that too.
>cuck
>39 matches
>>141761348
It's here!
http://exhentai.org/g/935755/db9b2ccb85/
> still says she loves her boyfriend
> cute slutty idol takes day only off to fuck her sexfriend
> admits to love cheating openly, fucked various other guys
> is degraded from sexfriend to dog
> next story points to an AV filming with a very "look alike" idol
Rocket Monkey makes the best sluts, seriously.
Reminder to report "cuck" faggots.
>>141766666
>Satanic quints speaking the truth
NTRFAGS BTFO
>>141739613
Gangbang is better.
>>141739613
Thinking mans fetish etc
You are a stupid cuck if you dislike NTR
>>141746939
/ss/ is hot garbage
I need to see big dicks mindbreak hot sluts, not little pencil dicks who cant even "kiss their wombs"
>>141761348
Rocket Monkey is my god
>>141768680
>"kiss their wombs"
Do you not realize how painful that would actually be?
>>141769359
A girl told me it hurts a lot when she had my semi hard in her
You haven't fapped until you fap to urakan
>denied glorious /ss/ in exchange for fat ugly NTR man
Into the trash it goes.
>>141767783
I love Rocket Monkey but he seriously needs to cut down on the sameface.
Literally everyone in that story look like someone else from a previous one. I had to read his previous works again to check they weren't the same characters.
Too bad he's on the vanilla train nowaways in his hotmilk releases. June release is vanilla as well.
why does NTR make me cum so fast?
reminder that development on ntrpg3 is advancing nicely
It's out.
>>141769359
for you
>>141770110
It sounds like you don't like RM then.
If the artist does something you enjoy, he should keep doing it. I love his sluts, his thick girls, mild degeneration and cheating (usually confounded with netorare).
For all I care, he should keep doing the same just changing the character's names and I wouldn't care.
The only thing I don't like that much is how he seems to like short hair (60~70% of his works have short hair) when long hair is clearly the superior choice on sluts.
Maybe you only enjoy one aspect or two on his works? That's fine too but don't say "I like artist X but he should do something else" cause that's totally contradictory.
>>141739613
>Ragnarok Online
>NTR
Ok so who's the artist...
>Mil
>pic related, its me everytime I see a Mil work.
>>141766880
So you self insert as the fat bald men? That's just as pathetic.
>>141742065
most of those works have scat in them so it is a no go
>>141768680
>/ss/ is hot garbage
I'd kill myself if I ever had that much shit taste.
>>141770210
It's going to be fantastic.
Meanwhile I've sworn off fapping until the new Blue game comes out next week, it may be generic, but I just can't get enough of idol ntr.
>>141771413
Dicklet detected
>>141739613
You know that doujin of his in which the princess knight gets mind broken in front of the dude?
Right in the fucking feels. Cannot even handle that shit. Ruined the whole series for me.
Fucking mind control.
>NTR means "God" in ancient Egyptian
>Kuk is the ancient Egyptian god of chaos
Why are Egyptians such cucks?
>>141757010
Because the cock is powerless irl
That's why we have hentai
NTR would be great if we had some variety in the guys invovled.
>>141771465
My shota dick is 5x more impressive than any fat man's chode. Accept it cuck, a literal 8 yr old can please a woman better than you.
>>141770278
How many years am I gonna have to wait for oyakodon?
NTR > vanilla everytime
>>141739978
Jin makes the most compelling characters tho. They are literally unforgettable.
>cuckthread
>>141774128
>baby's first "ntr"
>>141770110
Fuck off retard. He did only one vanilla in his whole life.
99.99% of his works are same face pig girls with disgusting oldmen.
>>141770210Where can I find the first two?
>>141768680
>not liking the maximum fetish
Kill your self shit eater
>>141775045
the unbeatable "ntr" master
>>141777251
This one is better then tachibana. Tachibana is decent but overrated. Jin wrote himself into a corner.
>>141778630
not really, he just writes what he likes, if anyone buy his stuff it's never been big deal for him
>>141764605
>>141764671
>>141764832
This shit really needs to be edited again.
>>141764832
>>141764671
>>141764605
>/a/ master plan is becoming a bathing your dick in excrement to fight the netorare
Could you guys fall any lower?
>>141766666
>Satatnic quints
what a sad day to be an NTRfag
What's some good male:netorare
I fap to doujins to escape reality, NTR is too close to it.
>>141766666
Satanic quints confirm that all "cucks" and "cuck apologists" should fuck off forever.
Sanbun Kyoden is the NTR king
>>141780648
> that art
no thank you
>>141747247
>>141739613
Is this a love story?
>>141782234
What else could it be
>>141777251
That's Mashiraga Aki.
>>141784354
That's DATE
>>141785037
>DATE
>ntr
Because of Internet porn honestly. Think about it for most anons a large part of their life as been spent watching/reading porn. In porn your watching/reading from a 3d/2d perspective so your not actually fucking the girl, but watching/reading someone else fuck the girl. This is even more true in recent Internet porn. So it's no surprise that you want to see the one you love in a porn perspective i.e. having someone else fuck them while you watch. Just like your usual porn watching.
>>141747295
Are you sure about that? Carrying a man's child doesn't make her automatically his woman in Japan?
>>141786231
What would you call DATE's work?
>>141787415just fuck-my-shit-upline of work
>>141787415
Mindfuck and possession.
>>141771315
Better than self inserting as the betafag MC.
>>141752212
That he self inserts into the beta male like a cuck.
Plus to answer seriously transferring a quality of a member of a group to the group at large is a legitimate logical fallacy.
>>141753505
NTR doesn't need those things.
>>141739613
anti-NTR is better
>>141788595
>anti NTR
>posts ntr
>>141788595
Is anti-ntr what I think it is? A promiscous slut turned vanilla housewife?
>>141786777
So you're watching someone watching someone fuck?
>>141788970
Depends of your pov.
I see sister-brother loving each other since they were children but separated by their abusive father.
And the other guy(the kid) is trying to break them up and NTR her away only to fail and crash.
>>141739613
>tfw not enough NTR from the villains' perspective
>Not enough where the villain is handsome
I just want to self insert as the guy who actually has sex.
>>141789113
You can't unslut a slut, especially when the girl said something like "I can't live without this cock anymore". That means the girl had given up on love and put physical pleasure above mental connection.
>>141786777
Voyeurism =/= NTR
What do you call a netorare where's the 'original boyfriend' is a fucking jerk and the thief is trying to pull the woman away from what he perceives as a toxic relationship? Seen from the perspective of the thief?
It's not technically vanilla since there's cheating, but as netorare it lacks the vindictiveness or a 'conquering' of a typical NTR thief.
>>141789294
I hate sister-brother incest so much I would almost want an NTR story where a guy breaks the siblings apart.by mindbreaking the brother
>>141789862
>I hate sister-brother incest
Wow, that's a major case of shit taste
>>141788595
Is this translated yet?
>>141789294
>I see sister-brother loving each other since they were children but separated by their abusive father.
What. Did you just make up the whole scenario or something?
https://vndb.org/v9643
>>141788595
How is old women with perfect bodies manage to stay single in Japan?
>>141789819
netori
why are girls the best at drawing ntr
>>141790031
That's a stupid summary. The "delinquent" is her brother and they loved each other since kids. The dad always beat them and sent him or her away long ago until the history begins.
>>141789512
But what if she was a slut for just one cock? It cures the problem but not the symptoms (she still lusts for cock but just a single cock).
>>141790332
Then she's in love, right?
I prefer futa on trap, self inserting as the trap, obviously.
Make way for the true king of NTR
>>141790591
>king of NTR
>his best work is vanilla
Can't make this shit up.
>>141790103
Is that really the real story? That sounds like the author retconned it just because.
>>141790958
Of course not, the story has always been the same but the summary >>141790031 is superficial
>>141788595
I don't know how much better anti-NTR is when it results in the son killing his mother and half-sister before burning down their house with himself inside.
>>141791256
What the fuck.
>>141791256
I want this translated so badly.
>>141791430
Erectlip games look like they all get fucking crazy towards the end.
>>141791591
Euphoria had an EoE ending, so it's not really surprising for nukige to have 2deep4you endings nowadays, I guess.
>>141765380
I can't suspend enough disbelief for this shit
>old
>fat
>japanese
>monster cocks
>JAPANESE
Has there been an edgelord being produced after getting ntr'd, erectlip seems to be the only one but that MC became ABSOLUTE MADMAN instead of edgelord
>>141790591
third one was garbage, first 2 were good
>>141771315
>not wanting to be the fat bald rapist man from every hentai
Look at this fag.
>>141792203
What were you expecting from the third one?
>>141792268
The second one ended fine. Third one just became flat out disgusting.
>>141792347
So what were you expecting from the third one? I wanted her to become pregnant for starters.
>>141792203
>>141792347
>Third one just became flat out disgusting.
I don't know how people haven't learned to shut off certain parts of their brain and just enjoy the art, but maybe I'm just heavily desensitized. NTR as a genre is so formulaic that most of the time it just feels like I'm reading a parody. Takeda's art is so great imo that I really couldn't care less about the plot.
>>141789896
It's been overdone, in my opinion. Also with the preponderance of non-h anime where the sister loves the brother sort of reduced the 'taboo' of sister-brother relationship that's enticing me to that fetish in the first place. It's just become too normal.
Then again I love vanilla so those excuses might just be bullshit. I prefer mother-daughter or mother-son for my incest.
Is there a 'failed NTR' where the thief successfully stole the woman but turns out the original boyfriend didn't care that much?
I wanted to have my favourite kind of character (christmas cake teacher) in more NTR, but then I realize by definition christmas cakes can't be NTR'd because they're single.
>>141792509
likewise, I don't care what happens to the mc but the way Takeda draw's those curves and his slutification gets me rock hard
>>141792966
there is a series with that exact plot, some dude gets his life wrecked by another dude and decides to take his revenge on his famliy, after he bangs his wife and daughters the guy hes trying to take revenge on reveals he doesn't care and has been a sociopath his whole life, he agrees that his revenge is justified and goes about his buisness.
>>141789512
>You can't unslut a slut
Yes you can.
>>141793477
Does he leave the wife and daughters with the sociopath after he banged them or is there a happy ending for those women?
>>141790332
>a slut for just one cock?
Unless the cock can change shapes to multiple different shapes (and lengths and widths) of cocks, then that's not a slut. A slut is a cock connoseiur, a testicular scholar and a dean of the peen department.
>>141793664
I am pretty sure the last chapter is him just enjoying his new family
>>141793981
Fantastic. I'd ask for source but that's frowned in /a/, so I'll just enjoy the idea that 'failed NTR' exists. Thanks, anon.
>>141794079
>I'll just enjoy the idea that 'failed NTR' exists.
Almost any concept you can think of exists.
>>141794193
They exist but some of the best ones have barely any content, for example, armpit sex.
>>141794079
I didn't give the source because I couldn't remember the name or even find it until I remembered the artist. it's Fukushuu no Uta
>>141794193
Haha, I mean that the exact idea I've thought of is actually true.
Also, not true, many concepts I can think of doesn't exist, such as
>knight with proper armor being slowly disrobed
>NTR where a girl breaks a bara couple
>a girl who loves me
>>141794406
>the dude is literally mental
Hot damn.
>>141793477
>>141794406
I feel like if I'm an NTR-fan this would smell like betrayal.
Speaking of that, I seem to remember lots of vanillafags being outraged when the next chapter of a vanilla work turns out to be NTR. I wonder if there's such a work where the NTR turns out to be vanilla and NTR fans scream betrayal.
I mean, vanillafags are salty because of their thin skin and insecurity and NTR fans aren't like that.
>>141794406
>The only thing NTR was his revenge
You must be the ultimate failure if you can't even fuck another's wife right.
>>141764605
>>141764671
>>141764832
Sauce? This shit is a hilariously refreshing end to NTR
>>141752184
According to the ancient Chinese
>"These seduction cases are the hardest of all. There are five conditions that have to be met before you can succeed. First, you have to be as handsome as Pan An. Second, you need a tool as big as a donkey's. Third, you must be as rich as Deng Tong. Fourth, you must be as forbearing as a needle plying through cotton wool. Fifth, you've got to spend time. It can be done only if you meet these five requirements.""Frankly, I think I do. First, while I'm far from a Pan An, I still can get by. Second, I've had a big cock since childhood."
>>141795787
It's a couple of night stories from a chinese studio of artists, I believe.
I can't remember the actual name, sorry.
>>141794949
>if you don't like getting cucked, you're insecure
How about no.
>>141794949
NTR lovers are aware of their surroundings and what makes people tick.
>>141748155
I think is a 50/50 the first and the third option to me, also I prefer if the NTR is done by a dirty old man...
>>141796718
>NTR is done by a dirty old man
I wonder if there's an NTR where the old man cleans up beforehand.
>An old man visits another old man
>"What are you doing?"
>"We're about to fuck that nubile young girl, aren't we? I'm cleaning up, can't have that girl smelling my armpits."
>"This is why we don't invite you to NTR orgies often, John."
Is this a NTR thread?
Anyone has any idea what are the girls saying
>>141796895
Because we only got the old dude's thoughts translated, not the actual words from the sisters, that's unknown.
>>141748155
>he doesn't simply enjoy watching depraved scenarios unfold
It hasn't anything to do with self inserting in the slightest. The more corrupt and decadent a person becomes, the better. Even more so if it's entirely consensual, no blackmailing or force involved.
>>141796988
Right to left:
"I really don't want!"
(I can't see, I can't see - and my moon is bad so I need to see, I can't make guesses yet) "if it's something like that, I'd rather die"
The left one I can sorta guess the ones I can't read:
"If you're going to beg for your life, do it now"
"I won't forgive you even if you cry or regret it later"
>>141746422
drugs, guess you were busy fapping instead of reading to immerse yourself
