Why does /a/ not like this?
Every other Trigger anime is better than Kiznaiver except Inou Battle
But I do.
Perfect example of why Okada can't write and why Trigger needs to pull their heads out of their own asses and realize they can't do anything besides stylish animation.
The characters, dialog and premise are all poorly written. The only people who praise it do so for virtue of it being "different" than most anime, but in this case "different" means "pretentious and poorly constructed story that has characters and themes only a 14 year old would find interesting or moving."
>>141666465
Because /a/ has shit taste
>>141666534
Inou Battle could have been fun if it just stayed silly nonsense. As soon as it tried to add a real plot it went to shit.
The concept is boring, the voice acting is boring, the story is boring, and the characters are boring
![[HorribleSubs] Kiznaiver - 06 [720p].mkv_snapshot_20.29_[2016.05.17_19.42.13].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/0K1VaXX.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Kiznaiver - 06 [720p].mkv_snapshot_20.29_[2016.05.17_19.42.13].jpg")
No plot, just forced melodrama.
The "humor" isn't very funny.
Half of the character designs are retarded.
The way that the characters "saved" maki from the reporters last episode was laughably bad.
>heh, check how smart we are guise, dont you feel intellectually checkmated? :^)
The only thing going for it is the nice visuals.
![[HorribleSubs] Kiznaiver - 06 [720p].mkv_snapshot_22.26_[2016.05.14_18.54.04].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/RLnIgBT.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Kiznaiver - 06 [720p].mkv_snapshot_22.26_[2016.05.14_18.54.04].jpg")
>>141666465
I like it it has my new waifu chidori.
>>141666554
>he only people who praise it do so for virtue of it being "different" than most anime, but in this case "different" means "pretentious and poorly constructed story that has characters and themes only a 14 year old would find interesting or moving."
the only people who find it deep are trigger babbies who haven't watched more than 10 series
The writing is hackneyed. There's a huge disconnect between the viewer and the drama onscreen. I like the animation and the characters are colourful, but that's about it.
But we've still got six episodes left so who knows.
>>141666465
Probably because its not "comfy" enough for some
>>141666465
I like the crazy girl, the red haired girl and the brainy girl.
>>141666824
Don't forget the Okadafags.
>>141666849
>But we've still got six episodes left so who knows.
Are you really sticking it all the way out? I was planning on it, but when last week's episode started with the nutjob megane Maki's "mysterious and interesting" friend from the past falling off the bridge as a joke (or whatever she was doing) I had to stop it. I wish writers would realize that making a character excessively eccentric and chaotic doesn't make them interesting or complex, and then later on adding some sort of sad backstory to it, as it's usually done, doesn't make the behaviors suddenly clever through hindsight.
I like it. The character interaction is great. Only wish chidori would get less of the focus.
Has Okada done anything good since S1 of Wixoss?
>>141667014
It's alright enough not to drop, except for the last episode which was downright terrible.
>>141667132
That's an odd cutoff to use, considering that Wixoss wasn't good.
>>141667167
I thought the first season was pretty damn enjoyable. The second season was a huge letdown and just a general mess of wasted potential.
>>141667163
I have some sort of 6th sense when it comes to dropping absolutely horrible stuff. Glad I made the right call again here.
Though to be fair I did was all of Comet Lucifer, so I can't say it's perfect.
>>141667191
The first season has some good artwork and sound design, and everyone loves a dose of little girl suffering/death games. The actual drama and characters were weak, and outside of the twist at the end with the switch (which was admittedly pretty cool) the "bigger plot" they were building up with that white god like lady and the nature of the game were pretty stupid.
And fuck Akky lucky or whatever the hell her name was. No amount of seeing her spammed in threads will make her not annoying.
>>141667167
The first season was pretty good. The second season was shit.
Good concept that allowed this show to take on a deep philosophical look at how this system could achieve world peace and also the flaws of it and human behavior
Instead it wastes this potential completly and we get a shitty SoL Anime
>>141666465
For once /a/ isn't suffering of shit taste syndrome.
>>141667336
>Good concept that allowed this show to take on a deep philosophical look at how this system could achieve world peace and also the flaws of it and human behavior
Yes, what a great concept. Make people share pain because they can't truly connect, because as we all know, human beings don't have empathy and therefore such a system is necessitated.
>>141667422
Do elevens have empathy?
>all these people dropping because it isn't "deep enough" for them
You niggas need to learn to just turn off your brain, chill and appreciate some animu.
>>141666465
I don't dislike it, but as it is now, it's just about average for this season, which says more about the current season than anything, If this aired summer 2015 instead it would have been top five for me, and just under Shirayuki-hime, NNBR, Rokka no Yuusha, and Haikyuu.
>>141667464
I've got a few elven friends and they're extremely kind people. Not just surface level politeness, but genuinely thoughtful. Can't really speak to the population as a whole, though.
>>141667467
>all these people dropping because it isn't "deep enough" for them
Literally no one has said that.
>You niggas need to learn to just turn off your brain, chill and appreciate some animu.
Why would I appreciate something that has a garbage story? Either don't do something serious and do a comedy or SoL, or do the story correctly.
I think it's alright. They nailed style again and I dig the character designs and some of the dynamics. It's still really underdeveloped. Flashback next week should be a sign of what to expect. The way it is the end game could make it or break it.
I'm watching in hopes that Chidori and Tenga will hook up
>>141666746
But she's a bitch.
>>141667767
Then you should stop since tenga is a top notch bro, he won't go for her and I doubt the group would let him. Take your dumbass ships to the yahari thread.
>>141666465
I feel like it's trying too hard. The magic in Kill la Kill and Luluco is that they're just effortlessly entertaining, bordering on mindless fun. This is just some shitty romance show wearing the guise of a shitty fantasy show, it's disappointing.
>>141666534
But I enjoyed Inou a lot more than this one.
>>141667581
Youve probably watched either Nge, haruhi, k on, madoka any and all idolshits. So its it's really not like you are in any position to talk.
i want twists and mystery and unexpected deaths and memorable music and sick action sequences
instead we get a red head crying about her bullied bf
>>141666465
It's not fun, or comfy.
Plus there's not enoughfujo/u/ bait.
>>141667983
Why didn't you just call it f/u/jo bait?
>>141667897
SoLfag here, Kiznaiver is terrible
>>141667838
Okada doing shitt melodramatic romance with a veil of "serious fantasy story" thrown over it? I don't believe you.
>>141667897
>either
I've watched all of those, and then hundreds more. I'm sure you 20 whole animes makes you a real pro.
>>141666554
Character design is pretty solid.
I'm kind of enjoying it because it's pretty stylish looking but I just don't get where the fuck they're trying to go with it. It's not quite action, not quite comedy, not quite SoL, not quite drama and we're already halfway through. It needs to pick a direction and stick to it or it's going to be really unsatisfying, it's wasted too many episodes already.
>>141668029Well now I just feel silly.
>>141668175
The art style (not animation) and characters designs are usually good with Trigger. That's not enough to save the show.
>>141666465
Kiznaiverfag here. Kiznaiver is terrible.
>>141667808
She's super kind.
>>141668029
>fujo's or yurifags
>having working brains
Pick one.
>>141668211
No, but to say that all they can do is stylish animation is a bit much. In fact, I'd say they're pretty good at almost everything...
except plotting, and that's pretty important.
Their direction, sound, and keyframes are all really nice. Their animation is appalling though. But, that's really just a budget issue.
This is not as bad as /a/ try to make it look.
More than a character Okada is trying to develop the group as a whole unit, but that hurt the pace which it feels a little slow for 6 episodes. Although the last episode was pretty decent due to Maki is a rather interesting character with a great pain inside her heart. I guess the next episodes are going to be quite intense in the feeling department and probably the slow first half is going to pay now in the second now that the gang is more intime between themselves and the secrets behind the Kizuna system are being revealed.
Whatever happens, one thing is for granted: We'll have lot of drama. Is Okada after all, and she's not everyone's cup of tea.
I'm confused if the OP is out or not. Anons said it's not out. Then an anon had a screen cap of the bands twitter showing it's already out, but have not yet found a download of it.
>>141668325
Their directing is wildly over rated. I've seen almost nothing of note. Sound is rarely done in house, as most studios hire composers who work freelance, so you can't attribute that to them. People just really like their artstyle.
And of course, everything related to the writing aspect of their series being horrible doesn't exactly make their shows fun to watch.
>>141668346
>Although the last episode was pretty decent due to Maki is a rather interesting character with a great pain inside her heart.
Stop trying to sound impartial and reasonable. You have absolute shit taste in drama.
>>141668563
Some anons just want to the see world burn.
![[HorribleSubs] Kiznaiver - 04 [720p].mkv_snapshot_16.39_[2016.05.01_17.39.40].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/CDwuoKu.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Kiznaiver - 04 [720p].mkv_snapshot_16.39_[2016.05.01_17.39.40].jpg")
>>141667808
How so?
it's really just mediocre all around. boring/shitty characters, stupid plot, stupid romance subplot, terrible mc and nothing happens
>>141667014
The only thing I'm happy they finally did was make it about emotional connections even though admittedly it's on the most basic of basic levels. What I really wanted from this show was something akin to the plot of the first episode of Kino's Journey, but more deeply explored. Unfortunately they didn't move towards that until the show was halfway over and kept a very boring and basic plot for everything up to that point.
>>141668563
Look how nicely framed this shot is, this show had about 5 frames per episode and the fights still felt kinetic. Direction is one thing they do super well.
>>141668699
>It's mediocre
>Everything in it is crap
>>141668772
It's really nothing special if you're looking at "good" directing. They use super basic stuff involving positioning of characters in the foreground/background to make them look imposing and story, or defeated and weak. Or in Satsuki's case, the loved have her with the camera looking up at her in her dictator pose with the light behind her. And let's not forget the "clever" scene where monkey talks about not being in her shadow forever, and then quite literally moves from behind her to in front of her without her seeing him move.
It's all really basic stuff that they do a lot, and after the first few cuts it got boring. It's the same thing over and over again. The art style is cool and I get that people like it, but the directing is very basic and does a couple things decently, then just repeats them ad-infinitum.
>>141666465
/a/ has a lot of hipsters that are still traumatized by KLK and automatically hate any Trigger show. Also, the "Okada is a bad writer" meme has been forced for a while now and most of /a/ forces themselves to believe it in order to fit in.
I really like the gimmick with the kiznaiver system and how the emo MC is actually learning a lot from it at a fast pace.
However it still feels like it has no idea what its going for at times and Maki's secret feels out of place from the rest of the show. I wouldn't mind it if it was just a few people being forced to bond as friends but the character interactions arent strong enough for that.
>>141669009
That's good bait. You might actually convince some people that you're an absolute fucking retard from /v/ who only watches 2 shows a year and only posts in threads about popular off-boarder-bait shows.
Tenga and Chidori look too much like Kamina and Yoko
Because it fucked up what it was trying to do.
>>141669055
It's not bait. It's an accurate description of the people who dislike this show. Though I did forget to mention there's also the awkward pretentious people like >>141666554 who have weird insecurities over "deep" anime.
>>141668945
>it consistently has good composition, so it's bad
>>141669177
>who have weird insecurities over "deep" anime.
Critcizing bad writing has nothing to do with "insecurities about deep anime". There's nothing deep about this, the writing is just shit.
>>141668795
He was being nice. I'll say it straight. Shit's trash.
>>141668945
Here's an example of a kind of "wide angle" style shot that's really visually interesting. I'll concede that they reuse their own tricks (you see shots like this throughout the show, and I'm literally just grabbing nice shots from random parts of a random episode), but having recurring styles makes the direction feel cohesive. You can see how they use a common color palette if you compare with the previous shot, and that makes the whole show have a consistant style that sticks in your head and makes it instantly recognisable. You could take Ryuko, and even the tower in the background, out of this shot and know exactly what show it was taken from. This is what Trigger does well.
>>141666465
Im enjoying it so far, who cares what /a/ thinks?
This is the season people stop pretending like Okada isn't a hack fraud and stop defending her when people say she's shit right? The dialogue in Mayoiga is like it's written by a fucking alien.
It's quite sad people don't understand the difference between their own opinions and actual quality writing. The Okada hate is a meme, and it's worse from the KLK babbies who think Trigger shows all need to be shallow action fests.
>>141669281
No, it uses some very basic techniques over and over again to convey one or two ideas the same way every time, and as a result the directing is nothing noteworthy. If you compare it to something airing now that has absolutely no focus on directing at all like Netoge, then sure it's good. On the other hand if you start comparing it to anime that actually have good directing, it's nothing special at all.
>>141669405
You're pretty much just saying what I said again. They use a couple basic tricks and shots to set up a couple emotions, and do the same thing over and over again. The art is nice and they set up a few cool stillframes (or rather, one cool stillframe over and over), but the directing leaves too much to be desired, especially in motion, to say that directing is really nice or noteworthy.
>>141669481
She's always been hated here. It's just that recently she got some more exposure to the plebs between IBO and this, and now you get idiots like this
>>141669483
who think Okada hate is a meme, and that standards don't exist for writing and everything is an opinion so something can't be technically bad.
>>141669177
More like it has wasted potential and a lackluster story that you can find in almost any other show. Want a better version of the romance and buds helping eachother? Go watch something like ore-monogatari. Want some sweet teamwork and interesting interactions between characters? Go watch Hibiki Euphonium. Want some good drama related to attempting to understand oneanother? Go watch Say I Love You. All of these do these themes better than this show and I have a rather limited list of anime that I've seen. I won't say that those are the best of the best for those themes by any means, but those are ones I could think off the top of my head.
>>141669557
what are the objective measures for good writing then, tough guy?
>>141669557
Okada's writing is objectively good though. She definitely writes better characters and better drama than any of the other big writers in the industry.
Okada hate really is a pure meme and that is undeniable to anyone who isn't new. It's the exact same meme as saying Urobuchi is bad.
>>141667767
Tenga will die. But his soul will choose to go back in time, the time when he was happiest, and he will be at season 1 first episode. Nico who loves Tenga wants to be with him too and wants to be in a time when Tenga'd love her, but since he already loves Chidori she'll go back in time before Tenga is born, and become his mother.
I don't know how Okada can write something as good as Hanasaku but then go on to make something like Kiznaiver
>>141669731
The same way she wrote something as bad as IBO and Mayoiga.
>>141669602
Ore Monogatari and Say I Love You really do nothing better than this. They are standard shoujoshit with poorly directed adaptations.
Hibike is indeed better, but Kiznaiver is still great. Both have beautiful direction and visuals and far better characterization than 90% of anime
It excels in everything except writing. It would probably have the best visuals this season if not for Kabaneri. I'm enjoying it, but it is far from the best show this season due to the poor writing. Maybe, just maybe, if it aired during summer or winter it would be in the competition, but not with so many other good anime. Trigger needs to pull together some good writing staff if they want to stand above the other studios. They should have swapped writers with Luluco.
>>141669513
It's obviously not "basic" when the vast majority of anime doesn't do it
You aren't really communicating any concrete criticism, you just keep implying that it's somehow bad for a show to be consistently well directed
![[HorribleSubs] Kiznaiver - 06 [720p].mkv_snapshot_07.34_[2016.05.16_13.10.57].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kNCgOh5.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Kiznaiver - 06 [720p].mkv_snapshot_07.34_[2016.05.16_13.10.57].jpg")
>>141666465
I kinda like it but I don't visit the threads for it, nor make any.
>>141669646
Characters that have their personalities based on human emotion. A premise that balances super natural and suspense of disbelief ("We got kidnapped and had crzy surgery done on us, so we'll kind of just act like we're on a funny school trip because the kuudere blue haired girl said it's a challenge" is fucking stupid) The characters have to speak to each other in a way that's believable for people, and their development needs to be the result the culmination of their learning experiences. The story should have something resembling pacing and direction with how it reveals the grander plot and leads up to its resolution. As it stands now, the story has no direction or cohesive ideas behind it outside of a generic shadow organization pulling strings and them repeating "share your bonds" over and over again, and like all Okada shows, the dialog and interactions are 100% inhuman. You can't just make everything as overblown as possible and then call it entertaining.
>>141669654
>Okada's writing is objectively good though.
You're objectively retarded. I'm serious, her writing assumes the audience is retarded, lacks any nuance or any clever dialog, and her plots are the same two or three ideas over and over again with a coat of tears and loud crying.
>>141670104
>writing assumes the audience is retarded, lacks any nuance or any clever dialog
All anime is like that bro.
>>141669852
>It excels in everything except writing. It would probably have the best visuals this season if not for Kabaneri.
Watch more anime, you stupid piece of shit.
>>141670003
>It's obviously not "basic" when the vast majority of anime doesn't do it
You can find good shots in a number of shows any season.
>You aren't really communicating any concrete criticism, you just keep implying that it's somehow bad for a show to be consistently well directed
No, consistently well directed would be if it was constantly exciting and interesting. It has one style it uses, and then uses it for still frames, and that's it. It's stilted and devoid of growth, much like the characters in Kiznaiver.
>>141670104
Kiznaiver passes all of those requirements for "objectively good writing", anon
>>141670165
>I think all anime is "moeshit" or cool actionshit that Imaishi directs
Stop posting.
>>141670193
It does not pass a single one of them, but thanks for the attempted shitpost.
>>141670192
You are actually delusional if you think Kiznaiver isn't the best looking show this season, I'm sorry anon.
>>141670192
>No, consistently well directed would be if it was constantly exciting and interesting
which it is.
Because its fucking trash
>>141670345
Whatever you say, anon.
>>141670389
>which it is.
Sorry, Don't Lose your Way starting up while someone delivers a finish blow followed by a wide angle shot of the attacker in the foreground with the camera looking slightly up at them in a freeze frame lost it's shine after the first three times, then it became repetitive and boring. If that's all it takes to fool you into thinking it's got good directing, then enjoy it.
>some guy claims that objective standards of quality in entertainment exist
>he's completely unable to demonstrate and prove that said standards are objective, and not in fact his subjective opinion
every time
>>141666465
this show honestly has nothing going for it
if they were going to air this, they should have done it this season and luluco should have aired next season
luluco destroys it in all aspects
>>141670473
>I never took Literature in college
>And in high school I was busy fapping to furry porn, so I don't actually know what people look for in writing, so I'll pretend standards don't exist
Every time.
>>141670461
show these fucks devila coming out of the fountain, that'll show em where the animation is this season
>>141670192
>>141670461
man, i saw both of these episodes when they aired but these really are some great scenes. BONES handles this kind of high speed moment really well
>>141670192
>Watch more anime, you stupid piece of shit.
Seen over 600 anime. It does excel for the most part. Just has shit writing. Not sure why you are so intent to shit on it.
I like watching for Maki and her tits. The almost reverse-rape got me diamonds.
>>141670582
But what if nipples mod comes back to ban me?I don't have the webm.
>>141670643
It was the Yutapon episode. He's coming back for 21 which has a ridiculous cast on it, get hype.
>>141670666
>Not sure why you are so intent to shit on it.
I meant watch more animation now. If you think Kiznaiver and Kabenri have the best visuals, you're absolutely insane.
>>141670689
Conversely, the virgin-shaming made me rage and nearly drop the show.
>>141670756
>I meant watch more animation now. If you think Kiznaiver and Kabenri have the best visuals, you're absolutely insane.
Only watching 20 shows this season. Of the anime I'm watching they are definitely the best looking. What shows this season are better looking?
>>141670756
concrete shitvolutio has garbage visuals and animation
>>141666465
its getting better, first three episodes were complete garbage however so most of /a/ dropped it, and its not 'so bad its good' compared to okada's other show this season.
>>141670858
Are you being sarcastic or are you really not looking at the webms?
>>141670864
Ok anon, I get that you're mad Kiznaiver is shit, but there's no need to lie on the internet.
>>141670689
I want Maki to rape me so bad
>>141670824
Was it really virgin-shaming? I felt as though the emphasis of her statement was geared towards criticizing him for being a flirt that never takes any action, rather than her looking down on virgins in general.
>>141670921
>Are you being sarcastic or are you really not looking at the webms?
I see the webms and they look good, but that's only one show. If you're sperging because I said they were the best looking when only one show I haven't seen looks better then you're a fucking retard. What other shows are so fucking amazing you stupid faggot?
Also worth mentioning I'm not talking about animation alone. I'm also referring to general art and style including everything from scenery to character designs and the webms you're posting only demonstrate superior animation while lacking in literally every other department.
>>141670192
A few Yutapon cuts doesn't make ConRevo a great looking show.
>>141671032
You're right, how crazy of me to call you an idiot when you claimed 2 shows were the best looking without watching a high profile /m/ show filled to the brim with industry veterans. If Yutapon is doing animation on a show and you're not watching it, and then you start talking about the best looking show that season, you're probably retarded.
Here's another show that looks better.
>>141671097
No, they're just the icing on the cake.
>>141671135
>meme academia
Even less noteworthy than conrevo, im glad both are flopping hard. bonesfags on suicide watch.
>>141671135
Yes, Boku no Hero has good animation. I am watching that already, but I also said I was talking about more than animation alone. You're just being a faggot.
>>141671221
>Talk about visuals
>Start shitposting about studios and sales
Good job!
![[Asenshi] Kiznaiver - 05 [315A63FD].mkv_snapshot_13.58_[2016.05.08_16.31.03].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Fzyc5A6.jpg "[Asenshi] Kiznaiver - 05 [315A63FD].mkv_snapshot_13.58_[2016.05.08_16.31.03].jpg")
>>141671029
You're probably right, but I took it the wrong way regardless of intent, especially because of the question of necessity it brings up in regard to Okada's characterization.
But it seemed like she was more surprised if anything, with him being a pretty boy and, like you say, a flirt, yet never having gotten any so far.
>>141666534
I loved Inou-battle more than this Kiznaiver shit
>>141671029
>>141670824
>>141671246
The point of the 'rape' segment was that Maki seems to stem from the fact that hates herself due to guilt about her friends death. She tried to get down on Yuta because she sees herself as the worst/worthless, which is why she seemed desperate to do it with him if he found any value in her, even its just sexual. He is, after all, an expert in that field right? But, surprise, he's a virgin.
>>141671227
>but I also said I was talking about more than animation alone.
Artstyle in Kiznaiver is ok. Animation is crap. Overall, that leaves it at "average" at best. You're a faggot.
>>141666465
Because it's very predictable
>>141670824
That turned me on even more, especially imagining Maki as Okada's self-insert
>Okada will never shame you, laugh at how pathetic you are and force you to lick her feet
>>141668515It was on soundcloud until just the other day. Seems to have been deleted, sorry m8. Was gonna link it for you and everything.
>>141671335
If the artstyle in Kiznaiver is only "ok", then the artstyles in Concrete Shit and Hero Academia are absolute garbage
>>141671135
I'll admit that I haven't been keeping up with ConRevo, but what I have watched never really impressed me visually outside of a few stand-out cuts of animation.
HeroAca is similar, actually, though it has much more appealing character designs/art.
>>141666465
>I am a self proclaimed animu expert, now let me tell you why my cute girl doing cute shits SoL (with animal); #1000124 reincarnation LN shit; SnK rip off; shonen shit; trainwreck of the season meme show is better than this original anime with a somewhat original concept and well-directed visual.
>Guys I hate Okada as well, am I cool now?
>The MC isnt self insertable, dropped.
>/a/ said this show is shit so it must be shit
Kiznaiver hatebase in a nutshell.
>>141671491
This is a Trigger thread, and there's a higher standard for shitposting. Work on that.
Tbh this is the only Trigger anime I've ever liked.
>>141671135
there is nothing impressive about that webm whatsover
hero academia is a really ugly looking show actually. shame because the manga has some fun character designs
>>141671335
>Artstyle in Kiznaiver is ok. Animation is crap. Overall, that leaves it at "average" at best. You're a faggot.
Holy shit you're fucking blind. Take an art class you stupid faggot.
![[Asenshi] Kiznaiver - 05 [315A63FD].mkv_snapshot_10.55_[2016.05.17_22.34.29].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/lxslYWm.jpg "[Asenshi] Kiznaiver - 05 [315A63FD].mkv_snapshot_10.55_[2016.05.17_22.34.29].jpg")
>>141671326
>'rape'
There is no need to feign ignorance; it is what is is, rape. She raped Yuta, she even admits it in the moment, refusing his denial of her advances, to which he responds the same again. If the teacher hadn't interrupted, there's no saying how far she'd go to ravage Yuta's poor virgin body, probably venting her anger and guilt onto him relentlessly. Then once it'd be all over and done with, she'd try to pacify his shaking slumped body with an egg roll (improperly seasoned at that). It's sick and disgusting.
We're all for equal equality here on /a/, please respect that.
>>141666746
>"seasonal waifu"
>>141671561
>there is nothing impressive about that webm whatsoever
Miles better than anything in Kiznaiver.
>>141671582
>Trigger has the best art style!
>It's got thick black lines and it's not moeshit so it's awesome!
>I can't articulate what I like about it, but I'll pretend it's complex art that you need to study to understand!
The art style is nothing special, and the animation is pretty bad. Get over it.
>>141671667
>seasonal
She's here to stay.
>shitty characters
>shitty drama
>shitty plot
When a popular studio with a rabid fanbase like Trigger struggles to sell 1k with their show, it tells you a lot about that show.
But why is his name Tenga?
>>141671696
Wrong webm.
![[HorribleSubs] Kiznaiver - 04 [720p].mkv_snapshot_20.56_[2016.04.30_19.59.06].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/elPuKjV.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Kiznaiver - 04 [720p].mkv_snapshot_20.56_[2016.04.30_19.59.06].jpg")
>tfw she will never be real
why is she so cute
>>141671692
>Trigger has the best art style!
>It's got thick black lines and it's not moeshit so it's awesome!
I never said Trigger has the best artstyle. Fairly well convinced you're just shitposting or being contrarian for the sake of it at this point. The animation is not bad. You could only think that if you don't watch any of the trash Japan pumps out every season. Probably haven't seen much anime to being with.
>I can't articulate what I like about it, but I'll pretend it's complex art that you need to study to understand!
I'm not saying you need to be some pretentious artfag, but if you can't even draw I don't think your opinion is worth shit.
>>141670104
Jeepers creepers anon do you know what objective means?
>>141666746
I'm worried she'll be hurt, hurt real bad, and won't recover.
>>141671821
>contrarian
Thanks, now I don't even have to pretend to address how stupid this
>The animation is not bad
or this
>if you can't even draw I don't think your opinion is worth shit.
or how wrong this
>Probably haven't seen much anime to being with.
is.
I know you' think you're special because you're working on your second wasted year in art school, but everything you've said is utter garbage.
>>141671473
You mean the one that played on the radio?
How was it?
>>141671822
Take a look at all the most praised books and movies that people enjoy and the discussion that surround why people like them. There's subjectivity and variability in there for sure, but let's not pretend to be stupid and deny that standards for media don't exist.
>>141672020
Okay but that's not something that could even remotely be considered objectivity. Are you seriously advocating the adoption of others' standards instead of one's own?
>>141671962
She will be for sure. Probably not as badly as Nico though.
>>141672085
>Are you seriously citing the standards created by the larger community that have been developed over countless years of study and analysis which are used to judge all fictitious media?
Yes, I am doing something that crazy.
Kiznaiver's muted style suits its story. Its animation is solid and subdued without being static. It's not an action anime, so we should be comparing it to some other drama SOL, something like Mawaru Penguindrum (which probably isn't fair either bc ikuhara but whatever).
Visual style is about the only leg Kiznaiver can stand on though. The rest of it has been vaguely dissatisfying to me, but I keep watching hoping for shit to hit the fan.
the show is fine, nothing super good but also not utter crap. if you want to shit on okadas characters and story writing just go to a mayoiga thread and complain there.
>>141671818
Sonozaki is not only cuter than Chidori she also has a better body.
>>141672194
>It's not an action anime, so we should be comparing it to some other drama SOL
Still doesn't look great compared to a lot of SoL.
>>141672270
But her personality is psychotic garbage, and she abuses PEDs to acquire that body.
>>141672203
Mayoiga is supposed to be an absolute mess, and it's easy to laugh at. With Kiznaiver you have horrible characters like the two in your picture, a childhood friend whose crush on the MC is her sole defining trait, and then a bunch of characters with one trait cranked up to 11 making up their entire personality. The worst part is that the show still wants to be taken seriously to an extent and will only get more serious as time goes on.
It's quintessential Okada crap.
>>141666554
Guess what, neither can most studios, especially those founded after the 2000's or which just started working on anime at that point. Some of them can't even do that much and are just a further embarrassment to a dying tradition.
>>141666465
Most users on here don't like it because the premise and the plot does not sit well with them. It's fine and all but it's just as valid to like the show for the character interaction and the revelation of the system and what the ulterior motive of the committee is.
It's a watchable show dare I say fun when you go into it not expecting a lot. I know it's by studio trigger and a lot of people expected an imaishi action production when in reality none of the big names from the studio really worked on this show.
You have a lot of fresh blood working on this show without Yoshinari, Imaishi, Amemiya, nakashima and all those guys. It's TRIGGER as a studio without their house heads, and the overall presentation and direction is very good for just the studio alone.
I try to be open minded about the whole Okada ordeal and it's fair to like or dislike the show cause of it, but to dislike on this show for the sake of it is rather petty and the show just isn't for everyone.
>>141666849
That's pretty normal for Aniplex originals that don't have some big name to distract the masses from the terrible characters, pacing and storytelling.
>>141666465
Because aside from Boom Boom Sattelite, Tenga's manliness and Chidori's delicious suffering, it's a dark abyss.
>>141672194
Penguindrum is not SOL, it's just drama. Same as Kiznaiver.
>>141667231
Honestly I could tell it was going to be absolute dog shit just off the character/plot synopsis and premise readout as well as the typical overkill marketing it got which usually means something is trying to cover for being complete garbage. I'm less surprised more people couldn't so much as that they actually eventually reached that conclusion on their own and rather quickly at that in spite of all the hype marketing and "Hurr Trigger saving the animus" memeing that goes on in the community and instead of just going along with it and singing the shows praises.
Frankly I'm not convinced the anime community actually has rational personally acquired tastes so much as just likes to go along with whatever circlejerk happens to surround what is supposed to be the most "hype" shows. Usually those shows are also really fucking bad to anyone operating outside the communities bullshit.
There is literally nothing cripplingly wrong with this show yet, you dumb mother fuckers. Stop memetically hating shit just because /a/ told you.
>>141673025
It's fair to think that way. I feel like it's more subjective but I get what you mean. I enjoy the show myself, but your dislike for it is valid and you're free to dislike it nothing wrong with that. Take it easy
>>141667464
I know Aniplex producers seem to think they don't. If I just take a look at virtually all their originals in the current decade I think they assume everyone who watches anime is a complete anti-social edge lord that wants to see notions of basic human decency and interaction turned on their head and worked over which usually means really hackneyed character writing and just bullshit world logic, especially on how people apparently behave and act. Also these shows will invariably take themselves 100% completely and deathly seriously as the next big thing and great step in original anime production even as they only end up appealing to fringe otaku who usually end up split right down the middle with shows like Aldnoah.Zero or Charlotte. It's like I love this writer who has mad cred in my social clique, but good god is this shit awful, what do I say or think, somebody tell me please.
>>141668121
>Okada doing shitt melodramatic romance with a veil of "serious fantasy story" thrown over it? I don't believe you.
Nope never heard of it or seen it before ever. Never ever.
It's a fun show. Granted, it's not the deep shit it was set out to be but I enjoy watching it even if it gets plain. The cast is alright (though they are better ones) and Okada's writing isn't even the worst. Also this. >>141673057
Story is progressing slow and character are super boring especially MC. Luluco is the Trigger show to watch this season.
>>141669481
If what Miyazaki says about modern and popular anime industry people not understanding how normal human interaction is true which I see more evidence of by the season lately than Okada is certainly the poster child for it.
>>141670104
So is Urobuchi's writing. Honestly the current industries supposed top people all kind of suck at their jobs, it's something that even gets discussion on 2ch. Nobody from this generation of creators really has any talent and what little they show quickly withers after a project or two max as producers ultimately co-opt them for marketing and branding purposes.
The thing is there is literally nothing good about this show at all, it's just flat out bad.
You can't even turn your brain off and just enjoy like kabaneri or boku no hero(If you guys enjoy these shows for other reason that's fine, i'm not trying to insult them, i think their great/only enjoyable things this season.) ,
kiznaiver is literally painful to watch be it the hideous animation(I swear there isn't a single on model character during motion) or it's generic characters and thei by the numbers uninspired character interactions.
>Throw jealous childhood friend, dense mc, and the main girl in a box and see what happens.
All these interactions literally write themselves and i've seen it all 100x before with characters that are actually remotely interesting.
The "plot" and premise is absolutely fucking retarded, you have to be a special kind of stupid to even remotely think it was a good idea.
Honestly the show would be at least watchable if they just made it about stupid actions with the kiznaiver gimmick.
As it stands now, this show is literally shit. Like a 1/10, like worst than sword art online and i mean that from the bottom of my heart.
>>141673330
I laughed when I read this, would it be alright if I saved this? This made my night
>>141667132
Iroha and I think she worked on Sketchbook too
>>141666465
Watched the first ep, i didn't have much fun, that's it. If i need something to watch maybe i'll do it, but right now that spot is taken since im watching Touch
Do we really need the weekly shitposting Kiznaiver thread everytime? Becuase it's just baiters baiting themselves.
>>141673330
The best thing about Kiznaiver is that it creates the best pasta material of every show this season.
The thing is there is literally nothing bad about this show at all, it's just flat out great.
You don't have to turn your brain off to even enjoy it like kabaneri or boku no hero(If you guys enjoy these shows that's fine, i'm not trying to insult you, i think their just horrible shows.) ,
kiznaiver is literally beautiful to watch be it the gorgeous animation(I swear there isn't a single out of model character during motion) or it's unique characters and thei original character interactions.
>Throw jealous childhood friend, dense mc, and the main girl in a box and see what happens. Just beautiful.
All these interactions can't be writen by anyone else and i've never seen it at all before
The "plot" and premise is absolutely fucking amazing, you have to be a special kind of stupid to even remotely think it isn't.
Honestly the show wouldn't be any less watchable if they just made it about stupid actions with the kiznaiver gimmick.
As it stands now, this show is literally AOTS. Like a 10/10, like better than evangelion and i mean that from the bottom of my heart.
>>141675501
>their just horrible
>>141666746
>new waifu
>new
Good bait.
>>141666465
It's not nearly as clever as it would like to be.
