http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-05-13/merriam-webster-has-noticed-senpai-for-possible-dictionary-addition/.102091
>One word that's caught the Massachusetts-based company's attention is "senpai" (also romanized as "sempai"). Merriam-Webster has noticed sempai, and everyone using the phrase online to denote wanted attention from another person.
>mfw normies still don't know about desu
>>141493050
Normalfags were a mistake
>>141493050
nice anime or manga discussion
What the fuck Merriam-Webster. You can't just literally steal a word from a different language and call it English in the 21st century. That shit doesn't fly anymore. Not only that but their given definition is so off the mark it makes me contemplate suicide.
>>141495054
Are you implying that it's the current year?
>>141493050
>ragecomic
>imgflip
>meme text
>ann
Lurk for 2 years before posting.
>>141495806
But I've been here since 2009.
>>141495896
Your brain is not.
It can't be that bad, right?
>>141495896
fuck off retard
>>141495054
Whether it's English or not isn't up to Merriam-Webster. Their only role in the whole thing is to chronicle the language.
It's up to people who speak English. If it's spreading around the English speaking community, then that means that it's becoming a part of the English language, whether the dictionaries acknowledge it or not.
>>141495054
Tell that to tycoon moron.
Merriam-Webster documents the lexicon that is the English language. If it is used by English speakers and is understood in context by a significant minority of the population it is by definition part of the lexicon.
>>141493050
Enjoy your ban.
>>141495054
So literally something English has done for ages?
The amount of normalfags using Japanese words is fucking stupid. It's like they're trying make fun of weeaboos but end up sounding even more obnoxious.
>>141495054
What definition? The one you made up for them in your head? They seem to have a detailed and informed understanding of the word its roots and the memes that surround it.
Source actual fucking website
http://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/senpai-is-real
>>141498568
>understood in context by a significant minority of the population
I doubt most people would understand what senpai means, meme or no meme.
>>141498707
>English
You mean every human language in the history of human languages. Languages taking words from other languages is something that's always occurred and will always occur.
>wordfilter makes it into a dictionary
Oh wait, this is ANN
Disregard.
THE ERA OF SEMPAI IS UPON US
>>141498784
>minority=most people
Clearly my friend, you are a moron.
>>141498794
ANN only becomes cancer when they do opinion pieces. They aren't bad for actual news.
English is practically made of loan works from other languages, and for those who don't know, there are countless English loan words in Japanese.
fake and gaySage
Literal forced meme.
Might as well have more wordfilters. Filter all the tumbr/twitter nigspeak into real words
>>141498865
You don't understand. Senpai only exists online as slang because of the worldfilter that hiroshima placed on twitter nigspeak that changed senpai to sempai
>>141495054
Forgot the name, but I found an English dictionary that had "ianfu" in it.
>senpai
should have used ohayou instead.
>>141493050
>>141498881
announcing your sage is against the rules, friend
>>141498939
good job retard
>>141499027
Mods don't even know what sage is.
>>141499027
>muh rules
fuck off, retard
>>141493050
Nice fecesbook tier pic nigger.
>>141498939
>mfw there are probably people who legitimately 100% believe this statement to be correctRemember to sage and report.
>sempai
STOP
IT'S senpai
SENPAI!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>141493050
God I hate weebs
>>141493050
>pic
>normies
Kill yourself.
Check this senpai.
>>141493050
>sempai
>people are going to start saying it like that
Fuck. They're doing this on purpose.
>>141499220
newshits don't know how to sage
>>141499010
>;w;
Kill yourself already OP.
Baka desu senpai.
>>141499135
It's センパイ.
All y'all sempai haters just don't understand phonemes.
>>141499336
>センパイ
Exactly! It's not セmパイ
>>141499336
>>141499370
Actually, it's 先輩.
>>141493050
>The meme gained traction in 2012, especially on Tumblr. It got an additional boost when popular YouTuber PewDiePie began using the phrase regularly in his videos.
Wow, the Japanese have been using a meme word in their language and they probably don't even know Pewdiepie invented it!
>>141499243
That's what it sounds like in japanese though.
>>141499370
you can type it as sempai on most IMEs though. And pronouncing ん before a p* or b* syllable makes it sound more like an 'mm' sound anyways, so the 'senpai' spelling is misleading.
>>141495054
Congratulations, you've just realised that English is the most mongrel language in existence.
>>141493050
Kill yourself.
>>141499336
>>141499370
>what is Hepburn
attention sempai haters
ん or ン
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N_%28kana%29
>[n] (before n, t, d, r, ts, z, ch and j )
>[m] (before m, p and b )
You don't really understand Japanese.
>>141499513
Except... you know... Japanese...
>>141499467
>tumblr and literal who in charge of once again ruining things that you could think impossible to ruin.
This is "epic" all over again.
>>141499534
>>141499452
Making both correct.
>>141499586
>...
get out of /a/
>>141499586
least japonesia has the good sense to have a separate set of characters for the words they stole.
>ITT:butthurt weebs
You should be glad there are nip words added to the english dictionary because in the inevitable future Japan as a nation will die off because the people don't fuck a lot.
>>141499513
I know what you mean, but you still need to go to bed, Gilgamesh.
How is this /a/ related in any way?
>>141499561
>[ũ͍] (before vowels, palatal approximants (y), consonants h, f, s, sh and w)
Wikipedia, always a trusted source of totally not bullshit
>>141499674
>nip words
>senpai - means someone relatively senior to you(age/experience/profession/etc.)
>in webster it means notice me"
Wow, wonder why some people will get angry.
>>141499695
The most active threads on /a/ that are not generals are not related to /a/.
>>141499484
No it doesn't. They spell it using "ん".
>>141499695
Just look at the motherfucking OP, sage and report.
Am I still allowed to ironically use senpai on /sp/?
>>141499764
And that justifies this thread being here how?
>>141499702
>Implying that that line isn't correct
>Implying that you know better than wikipedia
>implying I don't know that language phoneme translation is a quagmire.
>Implying you can pronounce ũ͍ properly and know what it fucking sounds like.
>>141499959
It doesn't. It's just how it works here.
>>141499959
I think he's trying to tell you to look at the disease, not the symptom
>>141500032
try
>>>/reddit/
Try to pronounce senpai and sempai, the two have 2 different sounds.
Then listen to what the japanese says, and you'll hear seNpai.
>>141500068
Also add that,
![[HorribleSubs] Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress - 03 [720p].mkv_snapshot_19.31_[2016.04.29_11.14.42].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/LZUqm8V.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress - 03 [720p].mkv_snapshot_19.31_[2016.04.29_11.14.42].jpg")
>senpai
>meaning notice me
>add slang words into common dictionary
the fuck wrong with you america
>>141500077
>Japanese is a nasal language
>both n and m sounds are produced by the cutting off of air in the nasal
it's both, desu
>>141500148
>>senpai
>>meaning notice me
That doesn't even make sense, isn't the meme "will senpai notice me" or some variation of it?
>>141499784
Yes, and ん is exactly equal to english n, so you are of course 100% correct, you magnificent human bean.
>>141500157
>implying な and ま are the same
>>141500148
We already covered this read before posting next time.
>>141500198
It's a meme entry for a meme dictionary. A memetionary, to coin a portmanteau. Buy an Oxford.
>>141500247
>implying the n sound in な makes the same n sound in ん, particularly when ん is proceeded by another consonant
>>141500375
>implying it's not
こんなバカ本当にばかかな
>>141500574
>に
wouldn't that be の?
If you listen to people speaking, or even speak it at all, you will find very quickly that n and m are very similar, at least before syllables such as ぱ.
>>141500304
>Buy an Oxford.
The one that chose some emoticon as word of the year?
>>141495054
IMO the definition they choose should reflect how it is used in english, which may differ from the japanese meaning
>>141498370
>>141498568
I basically agree here, but to be fair I'd like to point out that M-W is considered one of the most "progressive" or "descriptivist" dictionaries out there [citation needed]
>>141500853
Listen here you kisama! If you don't fuck off, me and my anon-tachi are going to owari you. Fucking faggot yatsu.
>>141500198
>will notice me notice me?
>>141500853
different people pronounce it differently
>>141495054
>What the fuck Merriam-Webster. You can't just literally steal a word from a different language and call it English in the 21st century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasei-eigo
>>141502841
Yes, that difference is exactly what I'm trying to prove exists.
>We will leave to see the ages where actual teenage girls talk about their senpai
baka desu senpai
>>141495054
>it makes me contemplate suicide.
You mean it makes you contemplate Seppuku? (Merriam-Webster 2017)
Or maybe you mean contemplate Sudoku? (Merriam-Webster 2020)?
Or maybe you want to become an hero (Merriam-Webster 2024)?
>>141504730
>an hero becomes actual English
full circle if I've ever seen one
At least it's an actual word.
>>141504730
the 2020+ versions are more likely to just be skull emoji
>>141499784
Which is pronounced as "n", "m" or even "ng" depending on context
So if I get enough other english speakers to use "C'est la vie" or "Bon appetit" they will officially become english words?
Is the concept of using foreign phrases without necessarily identifying them as our language completely non-existent?
>>141505253
Those are considered English though.
>without necessarily identifying them as our language completely non-existent?
This is impossible in the long run. If a phrase or word is used enough, it no longer becomes associated in your mind as foreign. Just consider many of the words I used in my sentence which were originally thought of as fancy French words, like considered, impossible, foreign, sentence, and originally
>>141505363
I'm so glad my original language isn't so retarded, and that it at least has the decency to try and adapt new words to an already existing structure instead of taking a foreign phrase as is and claim ownership over it.
>>141505465
English does not claim ownership over words from other countries any more than other languages that borrow words. Most people just don't realize the difference because it gets obscured by the lack of necessity to care where the word came from. Phrases that haven't been mutated by the English language through extensive use such as 'bon appetit' are still recognized as foreign, and are only thrown around for style/effect.
If you looked in the dictionary for a random word, you would notice the section where it explains the word origin.
>>141498568
>by a significant minority of the population it is by definition part of the lexicon
Does it make criminal slang part of the lexicon too?
>>141505882
Yes? In their particular subdialect
>>141505882
It's vocabulary that sees heavy use from a sizable group of native English speakers. What do you think?
>But I don't like the people who use it!
That's an extremely weak argument for it not being a part of the English language, and that's basically all that it boils down to.
You can really expect anything now. Apparently now pewdiepie has a dakimakura that shows in his videos he calls "onii-chan" and sometimes shows screencaps of 4chan. All of this while making the obnoxious dank memes shit from 2-3 years ago.
>>141495054
>implying this isn't all going according to the plan
This shit has been available to read since the 1950s and everyone acts like this kind of shit is a big surprise.
Destroy history, destroy language, destroy culture, leave only cattle.
>>141493050
>normies
Just fuck off faggot.
