anyone know have the original version? i hate to think Japs would actually say "mansplaining"
>>141347860
>adult male unironically using that word
What a specific type of person that enjoys watching his wife or girlfriend have sex with black men.
>>141347959
spot on. actually fapped to his childhood love having sex with his brother
>>141348090
Holy hell, I was just shooting the shit, I don't even know the name of this manga. Welp, any chance this guy also goes on to be a video game journalist or a liberal arts major?
Tokyo DTED
ボロカス = harsh criticism; something worthless or of little value
>>141351181
Ok, so "insult" would be a better translation.
>>141351452
Actually, condescending is probably better, insulting is vague by comparison. And it's the sexist way their business is operating but it's not exactly mansplaining, so I'm going to guess the translator was just overly eager to use the word, though not off on Mars or anything.
Okay, so let me get this straight. Telling an adult woman that they are being a child for wanting to be an idol isn't "mansplaining"?
I'll just assume that's just a trigger word that sets off anons for some reason.
Also, I'm the guy responsible for the line, so direct all relevant complaints to me.
>>141353247
Stop being retarded.
Its the same reason we hate when people use memes or a shit ton of cuss words in their translations.
Its a shitty localization that is only relevant within certain cultures that will be dated years later.
Is this really a confusing topic?
Mansplaning isn't a word. It is something only people involved in stupid internet fights would know. Not a good word for translation.
>>141353533
>Mansplaning isn't a word.
Sorry, you lost me at that point.
>>141353618
>this argument again
Not a real argument. You can find memewords online defined in a dictionary.
The problem is you are thinking within your own culture.
Is someone who's english is their second language going to recognize the word?
Absolutely not. The only way they would is if they were involved in shitty internet fights.
Imagine some foreigner googling a word used in a translation and what pops up is a ton of vitrol and shit. They would lose respect for your translation because they think you are pushing an agenda (regardless of the fact). The reason is because they will only see it used within the feminist/mra debates because that word is almost exclusively used within that circle.
Hell, a lot of native speakers, especially in Australia and Canada where this controversy is even less known, will not know this word.
I respect translation work but I also don't like shitty internet drama brought into my oriental comic books.
>>141353618
Fuck off and never return.
>mansplain
Nigga, learn something for a while
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOXh5repOWI
>>141353834
Ah, this shitbird debate again. So because FOBs won't be able to understand it, that's the problem?
No, I will not adapt scripts for FOBs for any reason. Not gonna happen.
>>141353895
It's a word. The guy was needlessly condescending. Deal with it.
>>141353247
Mansplaining isn't a word, just some feminist meme that changes meaning depending on whether feminists want to offend or feel offended.
>>141353522
Kill yourself.
>>141348090
>Thought it was some agenda pushing scanlator bullshit
>Turns out the guy in-story is a cuck anyway
That's fucking hilarious
I think condescending or patronizing would be a better word choice as mansplaining too heavily focuses on gender issues, which isn't that much of a deal within the context.
>>141354253
You are bringing cancerous /pol/ shit into a manga for no reason. There are tons of other ways to say it.
The problem is foreigners are going to google that shit and be brought into a meaningless debate.
but w/e, it's really not a big deal.
>>141354309
Keep saying it's not a word, even though major dictionaries recognize it as a neologism. It's real and its out there.
Wonder why you're so desperate to negate its existence anyway. Is it really that much of a trigger word?
>>141354644
>Wonder why you're so desperate to negate its existence anyway.
>Is it really that much of a trigger word?
Holy fucking shit, are you getting off on this as well?
You are absolutely inane.
>>141354253
Actual question. Why not just say "That man was extremely condescending to an 18-year old girl" instead as it would avoid the use of a not too common term.
What does this term add?
>>141353247
The use of the word mansplaining in that page isn't a good prose because of the issue within seems to be an older person vs younger person(as the characters talk about adult behaviour later) while "mansplaining" would refer to man vs woman, which, while true, is not the focus of the context in the Japanese text.
>>141354565
Yes, the word can have gender implications. Or actually, it doesn't have to if the anons don't make a fucking point of being more whinier than the feminists.
>>141354601
If I want to write cancerous /pol/ shit, I'd be talking about niggers and jews.
>yfw when OP started this thread just to get more attention for the series they are translating.
And you all fell for it.
>Wonder why you're so desperate to negate its existence anyway.
Please stop talking to this cancerous retard.
Just this single line within 5 minutes of viewing tells me all I need to know.
>>141354968
Except no one will read his garbage now.
>>141354758
It describes the "don't be so naive, little girl" factor to that guy's spiel, to which you really have to actively ignore.
>>141354759
But the guy was encouraging of the younger men who are with him, who are about to embark on a similar risk of starting businesses.
>>141354940
>Yes, the word can have gender implications. Or actually, it doesn't have to if the anons don't make a fucking point of being more whinier than the feminists.
But the word is a portmanteau of "man" and "explaining" used to depict the subject in a negatve light. It's not a "can have" gender implications word, it is a word that heavily implicates gender.
It's a very odd choice of word when more common and less complicated words exists for expressing the issue.
People are going to look back and see the word mansplaining and have no fucking idea what it means.
>>141355259
Mansplaining is a word that focuses too much on the "superior gender" aspect instead of the "superior age or profession" aspect.
>>141354968
Actually, kind of wish I did start this thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOXh5repOWI
"Mansplaining" is an idiotic word and ironically sexist itself.
>>141353522
kill yourself
>People unironically paying attention to tumblrfag tripfag
>>141355302
Hasn't the word been tossed around so much that the gender implications have become meaningless?
>>141355430
Okay, so the guy was daddysplaining Nanako.
>>141355702
I know, right?
>>141353999
Wasn't he buying time for the aussie equivalent of a filibuster? Regardless, he was fucking gold.
>>141355259
So the reason I originally thought condescending and that mansplaining missed the mark was because usually mansplaining isn't just broadly about men talking down to women, but doing so in the context of why they, as a super smart and rational man, understand this situation while you, as the naive and emotional little girl, do not. Even more so would be if it implies that they understand her own problems (particularly oppression) better than her. So like men explaining to women why sexism happens, or why it's justified.
>It's not a problem, you just have to look at it more rationally.
Yeah he's treating her as naive, yeah it's condescending, and if he were attributing her choices solely to being a girl, it might be closer to the right word. But as sexist as fat tub is, there's a totally imaginable role reversal where his protege is an ambitious ball-kicker, and the aspiring idol is a bishounen, and I think the conversation would've been the same. Any sexism that may be contributing this is a little lower level and I think him calling it mansplaining based on what he heard is overly sensitive.
I hope we'll be able to keep talking about this manga.
>>141355539
Would it really kill you to disable AdBlock for this site?
>>141355904
How can you talk about something that's clearly been "translated" by a total retard?
>>141355996
This being brought up again is what I'm afraid of.
>>141355831
I really don't think guys are conscious of their gender superiority or whatever when they happen to talk down to women.
Besides, the term has gotten so overused that guys mansplain other guys, if you can believe that.
>>141355720
>Hasn't the word been tossed around so much that the gender implications have become meaningless?
It has not, the word is still relatively new and obscure, outside of gender issues arguments.
>daddysplaining
Still bad prose, you're adding something that's not originally there, the line already includes "an 18 year old" that already points out the issue, say we replace the word with condescending "that guy was condescending an 18 year old to death" the line is clear cut, the subject was acting superior towards a younger person.
Mansplaining and daddysplaining adds too much focus to gender and detracts the adult issue.
To your credit, the Japanese line was informal in nature and mansplaining too is informal.
I think the absolute proof that /a/, if not 4chan as a whole has gone to shit is that there are genuine SJWs here.
>>141356114
Better learn Japanese soon, even your manga translations aren't safe from the retard plague.
>>141356034
>Besides, the term has gotten so overused that guys mansplain other guys, if you can believe that.
The fuck? If you use this word outside of tumblr and in real life you'll get laughed outside the room.
>>141355968
Would it really kill you if you don't to use tripcodes?
>>141356034
They're not conscious, that's kind of the point.
And the word has made it to comedy/news, so it's getting circulation, but I'm not sure it's lost its meaning yet. Doing stuff like this will sure help that happen, though.
I'm mostly with >>141356079, though I think using the word pretty distinctly makes the character look very SJW (or what people would call one, anyhow). Because of >>141356199.
I have read mujaki sometimes, its translated by this guy too, he seems to take liberties when it comes to translating
>>141356205
In a sense, yes, because then the persona known as "derp_commander" would cease to exist.
Anyway, down to more pressing buisiness, we need to get tumblr out of here.
>>141355996
No, it's being translated by a total faggot, get it right.
>>141356079
Nobody's using "daddysplaining," though I will admit that the line is too distracting to people who are too buttblasted over "mansplaining" for some reason.
>>141347860
>I hate to think Japs would actually say "mansplaining"
Then rest assured, because it's clearly something the translator (I doubt it was even the translator, I would assume someone else on the scanlation team whined to change it to a Tumblr meme word) put in to "Americanize" it.
>>141354253
Then use the word "condescending". Christ.
>>141353247
Telling any adult humans a child for wanting to be something regarded as childish, is just a simple condescending insult. Not inherently sexist one way or another.
Mansplaining is a non word used by paranoid SJW who thinks the patriarchy are everywhere, and wanted a word to make people see that a man being condescending towards a woman is worse than a woman being condescending towards a man.
Didn't read the thread before I posted, what a fucking shock that I was spot on. I feel bad for EOPs who are at the mercy of mouthbreathing retards like this in all their manga.
>>141353247
Fuck, I hadn't seen you since you were pushing your translations in OPTs last year, so I'd hoped you'd left /a/.
>>141356530
might as well start bringing the raws to /a/ for non-retarded translations
>>141356530
They made their bed.
>>141356596
Nice joke, dude.
>>141355968
Meh, I blocked the part which tells me to disable Adblock.
>>141356270
No, it's now translated by this guy
>>141356469
Actually, self scanned, so that's why it's shit.
>>141356456
>the line is too distracting to people who are too buttblasted over "mansplaining" for some reason.
You really don't realize that this isn't a common word in speech? That only a very certain niche of people use it? C'mon dude you need to have more sense than this.
>the day /a/ makes another scanclator quit his "job"
>>141356680
If you don't know/aren't learning jap you shouldn't be on this board anyway.
>>141356680
I hope he does. this retard genuinely thinks "masplaining" is a normal word and not some tumblr buzzword
>>141356723
I stopped at 700~ kanji 4 years ago. It's never going to be any better.
I can understand the Japanese if it's spoken or in furigana, but fuck me if I'm going to be reading regular manga or visual novels in JP.
>>141354253
>Oishi
>not fucking Oishi
Shit translation desu
>>141347860
This is unacceptable and nearly as bad as the gamergate ordeal in prison school. If a translator wants to push a shitty SJW agenda they can fuck right off. The japs don't deal with that crap and I shouldn't have to when reading Japanese media.
>>141356672
Apparently it was the Word of the Year in Australia.
>>141356680
No, the online manga aggregators are doing that job fine without /a/
>>141356834
2 い
>>141356456
I never enter any discussions about gender issues and only know the word mansplaining from jokes used in tv shows, reading this particular part was distracting because of how uncommon of a word it is and because it's not a word that has a direct equivalent in Japanese.
The word kind of ruins the reading flow for me because of how strange it was to be there.
I kind of agree with the OP because with what little I know about the word (usually used in a gender issue context, mostly by westerners) and what little I know about Japanese culture (traditional gender roles are the norm) the word having shown up in a manga was unexpected and attention grabbing, which is not something you would want in a character's passing thought.
>>141356896
You REALLY don't want to take cues from fucking Australia.
>>141353247
wouldn't it be agesplaining
gender doesn't really come into it
>>141353247
>tripfaggot has a shitty stupid opinion
Now that is a real shocker.
This is rich. Some random online dictionaries list the latest tumblerina buzzwords, and here we go, some retarded autist scanlator will use it to argue that it is actually a perfectly fine, commonly used word. What is more, it is used so commonly, that it has lost its gender implications!
Please tell me there aren't this many idiots in the scene. Also, please feel free to kill yourself any time. Preferably take as many tumblerite friends with you as possible.
>>141357001
He's tripfagging because he's the scanlator discussing a translation choice in a manga he scanlated. He's a retard and all, but stop the ">using a tripcode" meme when it's actually relevant.
>>141357055
>Please tell me there aren't this many idiots in the scene
Heh
>>141357001
he's not doing it for no reason, that's the scanlator
>>141356959
It is agesplaining but the text already points out that the target of the subjects snobbishness is an 18 year old, which already implies that the subject is being superior due to age and the target is younger.
>>141357055
>>Please tell me there aren't this many idiots in the scene.
The scene is literally nothing but retards.
It's gotten even worse in recent years thanks to the rise of half-competent OCR and machine translation tools. So every 12 year old thinks they're a Japanese pro.
>>141347860
Why some retards thought mansplaining is a word? Can't they feel that was retarded as fuck? Just use complaining, it is a correct word.
>>141356956
Just pointing out how much more widespread the word is despite how much butthurt /a/utists want to pretend otherwise.
>>141357055
If I was a tumblerina or a SWJ, wouldn't I have already dropped Mujaki no Rakuen like a drunk cheerleader?
>>141357608
>Just pointing out how much more widespread the word is despite how much butthurt /a/utists want to pretend otherwise.
It really isn't.
>>141356884
>gamergate ordeal in prison school
enlighten me please
>>141358229
I don't really remember, but someone at Funimation/Crunchyroll put Gamergate references into the script to mock them or something
Complete literal agenda pushing, because obviously nothing like that was in the original script or manga.
>>141357608
it may be widespread in fucking America or Australia but it's not in the UK or rest of the world. It is not used by "normal" people in conversation. it's not a trigger word. it is a word specifically created by tumblrites to demean men like the word "wench" which was a derogatory word used for women. you keep saying you're not a "tumblrite/SJW" but you're only deceiving yourself while defending a tumblr buzzword. the word itself is demeaning and insulting to a particular gender and only a fool and hypocrite would use it and call themselves gender rights equalist.
>>141358229
it was a dub thing
Nothing like using a word that the nips would never use. Makes the rest questionable in terms of translations when there are far more commonly used words to use especially when looking at what the the raw actually said.
>>141358229
Funi's shitty localization kicks in. It was them trying to be "trendy with contemporary bullshit" (like the Palin line in their HotD dub) at best, or virtue signalling at worst.
>>141356596
Didn't /a/ used to do that? I think most of the sources for the Watamote manga use /a/'s translation.
>>141358567
It's widespread enough in the UK for the Oxford dictionary to adopt it. The rest of the world is FOB land
>>141359061
If that's true, then UK is a lost cause.
>>141359011
/a/ still does it. both on 4ch and /a/ on 2ch
Tsurezure children, The magic senpai etc
>>141358567
It's not a common or widespread term anywhere. Don't try to make it into some America vs Europe thing, there are retarded tumblrcunts all over the world and they're the only people who use it unironically.
>>141359153
I need to check an Oxford dictionary when I can.
>here
>not a lost cause since WWII
>>141359061
you don't understand. just because it's widespread doesn't mean it's good. it's an offensive word that shouldn't be used outside of your little circle of tumblrites. if a /pol/ tard used nigga or shitskin outside of 4chan do you think that would be acceptable? i mean look at the fucking facebook replies the word gets on the site. did that not give you an ounce of reasoning?
>not a tumblrite/SJW
i'm sure. you guys are just as braindead as /pol/tards in your idealism
>>141347860
>Check this
>NTR
>NTR
>NTR
Fuck this shit
>>141354644
Mankitsu I seriously hope you're just having a laugh with it and not taking this shit seriously.
>>141359776
Why are you shitposting?
I've only ever heard the word mansplaining used on 4chan and tumblr.
The fact that I work in accounting probably has something to do with that though.
>>141358229
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEXurYaIHao
Fixed Version
>>141357608
>widespread
Not really the right wordeither.
>>141353247
It doesn't even matter whether he was "mansplaining" or not. What matters is that MC didn't fucking say that. The guy was also a fat middle-aged man with a combover, are you going to write "Still, that fat middle-aged man with a combover was mansplaining an 18-year-old to death"?
>>141359995
cannot unhear
>>141359554
Honestly, when I first used the word, the whole feminism thing didn't really cross my mind, I was just using it as a general term to mean "talking down to someone." Didn't actually think /a/utists would get this sensitive and emotional about it.
>>141359776
Nah, working on the next chapter as we speak.
>>141360119
>>141360141
Fuck off to a normalfag board with this 3D shit.
>>141357060
>>141357230
You're right, I really should've been mindful of the fact that, as a scanlator, his trip code has nothing to do with the fact that he's a massive faggot in this situation. My fault.
>>141360146
Unfortunately for you, that's not how it's generally used or understood.
>>141360232
Not by /a/utists, anyway
>>141360027
Dank.
>>141360310
Not by anyone.
>>141360310
>Not by /a/utists, anyway
Not in general. If you say mansplaining to basically anyone, it brings up feminist connotations, and the dictionary you cited even highlighted in its primary definition that it deals with a male speaker addressing a female.
>>141360146
this level of cuck where you start using tumblr buzzword unconsciously. I just wish the old mods would be around to permaban you
>>141360310
>Not by /a/utists
Anyone who uses that word is going to come off as an activist, regardless if that was the intention or not. And they should. It's a word that's rooted in pissing off the other side.
>>141360451
>wants others to be banned for using buzzwords
>while using cuck
>>141360365
>Always using the primary definition.
Read the second and the example sentence, why won't you?
>>141357279
yeah, but the point is more that mansplaining isn't even the correct term
>>141360536
The primary definition is the one that people will jump to and is important for how the speaker comes off, you faggot.
Mansplaining was a word invented by people who can't win with arguments
>>141359776
>when you are so desperate for NTR shit you suck tumblr dick
Just learn Jap, much more reliable and slightly less humiliating than sucking dick.
>>141360536
Even when used in that way it carries heavy connections to gender and gender politics, which is why both their example and your own initial defense of your translation in >>141353247 made specific mention of women.
>>141360690
I thought the x-splaining thing was about people who said stupid shit by virtue of their x-ness.
>>141360900
Sorta, it's this idea that you feel a need to explain something about [insert oppressed group here] that you know so much better by virtue of being white/male/straight/thin, especially apologia. So in a way you're right, but it's a specific kind of stupid shit.
>>141359843
>>141360841
In case you didn't notice, I'm saying the
>not taking this shit seriously
for the tumblr word, not what's happening in this thread. Meaning that I'm pretty disappointed how he seriously defended that word.
>>141361097
My bad. You should learn english first.I don't care if your english is perfect, the joke is too good to pass up
>there are non-tumblrites who SERIOUSLY believe that "mansplaining" is a legitimate word that should be used in actual conversation
Unless this entire thread is pic related
>>141354253
>>141353618
>>141353522
Reminded me of the prison school dub gamergate shitshow, good job man.
>>141361244
it's a word that describes a particular concept, if you didn't use it you would have to say it in long form, as in explain the concept every time you wanted to talk about it
>>141363084
So?
Replace "mansplaining" with "Talking down to"
Oh wow, two whole extra letters! That was so hard!
>>141356034
>I really don't think guys are conscious of their gender superiority or whatever when they happen to talk down to women.
They're not conscious because there isn't any gender superiority. This is some new age college level intro to sociology level bullshit being spread by professors who literally need to justify their shitty degrees.
t. compsci TA
>>141353522
Kill yourself.
>>141363339
>Talking down to
That's not a real word like mansplaining.
>>141364050
You my friend are right. How silly of me.
Who has ever heard of such a way to say things? Talking down to someone...BAH. Nonsense. Never heard of it.
Now mansplaining? THAT'S a word. A word with a rich and enlightening history that goes back generations! Not like that "Talking down to" new age nonsense people are trying to push. People are going to be scratching their heads at the very existence of such a phrase.
>>141364050
It's also too politically correct.
>>141364050
Please tell me you're just joking and that you do not actually believe 'mansplaining' takes precedence over 'talking down to' or 'condescending'.
>>141364050
this just shows how stupid the majority of women are
Daily reminder that almost all translators and scanlators are raging feminists, it's not just this homo.
>>141364504
But why?
>>141360146
What was wrong with just saying 'talking down to'?
>>141364534
I don't know, most of them start out as normal people.
>>141364504
I'm a massive lazy homo, get your shit right
>>141360146
>Nah, working on the next chapter as we speak.
nice, gonna wait for it.
>>141364252
>It's also too politically correct.
CAN'T STOP THE TRUMP!
>le mansplaining memehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOXh5repOWI
