Etotama's 3D was pretty good.
It was ok.
8 years from now is when 3D will truly be great
>>141292452
>3D will truly be great
Kill yourself
>>141292378
Another show I like to be added to the s2 never pile.
>>141292378
Yes, this and Show by Rock had good CGI. I guess, it kinda works if they are chibis.
It had better FPS than most 3D in anime out there
>>141292935
>good CGI
Die
>>141292676
yeah, this show was a lot of fun to watch on /a/ dess dess
Etotama is like the benchmark for 3D for television anime, I hope more studios adopts their workflow.
Etotama was capable of doing full body CG, but it was probably too expensive for the budget they had.
It was heavily stylized chibi, which made it a lot easier for them.
>>141293056
What was her gimmick again?
Favorite Etoshin?
Mine's Rabbit.
>3D
>good
Is this the unpopular opinions thread
>>141293191
Nyaa-tan.
I can't help but love her for some inexplicable reason.
>>141292596
>>141293025
>>141293229
This isn't the thread for you.
>>141292378
yeah, the best CG so far
>>141293081
Seeing that nips hated this because off their inherent shit taste we won't be seeing 3D like this anytime soon.
I miss Etotama. I think it aired together with Punch Line, which was another favorite of mine from that season. Good times.
>>141293250
>genki
>ganbarimasu
>ultimate best friend
>>141292378
so good you can't even be arsed to make good webms
You miss watching it with /a/.
>that week of sheer horror and despair
>>141293191
Tiger because my zodiac is tiger.
>>141293310
If you're talking about the show, then yeah we won't be seeing more etotama.
But other studios can adopt the workflow for 3D from the studio that created Etotama for other shows.
Doing so can cut the costs for 3D if workflow for 3D is seamless. Etotama seemed to have done a good job integrating 2D and 3D into the same show even if the 3D and 2D parts never really interacted with each other.
>>141293329
She makes my heart go doki doki.
Post some precure.
>>141292378
Agreed. Made me upset whenever someone would say that the 3D looked bad while it was airing when it looks fantastic, especially for a seasonal anime. I didn't like Show by Rock's as much even though it was objectively better. It works because of what >>141293086 said, the stylization makes it.
Add on to those parts always being really fun to watch as well as the animations for the CG also being stylized really well and those scenes became basically the best parts of the anime. The kart race was one of my favorite episodes. The non-3D parts were good too though.
Rabbit? More like RabBest.
>>141293414
If there was gonna be a show that would be fully 3D and look good at the same time, I'd say it'd be Precure.
Toei just needs to jump on the 3D bandwagon already for television anime. They clearly have a 3D staff good enough judging by their Harlock movie and Precure.
>>141293477
Didn't everyone hate the Harlock movie?
I still don't get what people hate on 3DCG.
>>141293025
I hate CGI just as much as you, buddy. But, honestly, Show by Rock and Etotama do look ok, it's a rare exception.
>>141293509
The 3D was great, it doesn't matter if the movie was mediocre.
>>141293519
I do, cause it's mostly terribly done. Shit like Etotama, Bubuki, and others are exceptions..
>>141293519
That animation is terrible.
>>141293577
>>141293590
That can only be explained by shit taste then.
>>141293519
It isn't very smooth. Expelled from Paradise looked good, but only when everything was still.
It's good enough if the story, acting, music(and PLOT),etc. is good enough to make you forget that you're watching CG. Pic related for me.
>>141293625
>shit taste
>for animation
That's very stilted animation, friend.
>>141293519
Because i like hand drawn aesthetic. If i want 3d i rather play a videogame
>>141293644
(and)
>>141293665
>>141293537
Fuck you.
>>141292378
Even if the 3D itself looks decent, the choreography is so shit that I'd rather not watch it.
>>141293537
It's a good combination of them only using it during moments where it's not jarring (although they have to do it by hopping through a gate, which counters what I just said, but whatever) and they do it well.
It's smooth, it looks good, it's stylish, and it's not clashing with the 2D animation because it's literally in an entirely different world. It also doesn't feel like they're just using it to get out of animating those scenes traditionally, since they both look good and feel good to watch, at least for me.
Cock all day every day.
>>141293626
>>141293663
You obviously can't tell quality even if it hit you into face.
I miss Etotama.
>>141293739
It's shit.
S2 when
3D is just too big of a jump for anime studios in Japan.
You know what you need for good 3D for television anime?
Studios need to hire good modellers just to make pretty much fucking everything. You need people to make assets like cars and shit and other people to make matte paintings for far away shit.
You also need to have people that can rig 3D characters really good so it'd be easier for the animators to animate with.
Not only that, but you'd need 3D animators that actually knows what the hell they're doing. And a 3D animator can only be as good as they can be depending on how well the 3D rig they're using is. If the character rig is bad then the animation can be stilted or just awful because of limitations in the character rig itself.
The most important thing of all though is making the 3D look nice. And you can't just pull that shit off without dedicating an entire staff on just compositing the 3D renders with effects and shading to make it look nice. I'm talking a full department on compositing.
It's a lot of money, and unless you're toei or Bones, studios can't risk taking such a financial decision like that unless they're positive that they can pull it off and make it successful.
>>141293739
It looks like a MMD clip. Shit looks bad, if you are going to defend CGI at least pick a better webm.
>>141293712
Alright, it's nice to know.
Just listen to you, next time you watch an anime.
>I'm watching this because of the choreography
Reaffirm to your postmodern mentality, I'm spending time of my life because of the fucking choreography.
>>141293739
I didn't say it looked bad, just a little choppy
>>141293739
barely any animation happened in that webm, what are you trying to accomplish?
>>141293860
it's the kind of animation a college grad for 3D would be able to pull off.
honestly not that great.
It's too bad that the character designs are awful, though.
>>141293847
>It's a lot of money, and unless you're toei or Bones, studios can't risk taking such a financial decision like that unless they're positive that they can pull it off and make it successful.
dunno but Shirogumi successfully created such nice 3D on etotama, is Shirogumi as big as Toei or Bones?
>>141293975
I'm pretty positive their main thing is effects and shit for live action shows. So 3D was no mystery to them. And they have a good department for compositing as well since that's where most of the effects get poured into for live action.
>>141293871
>it's shit, it just looks alright when nothing is happening
>OH YEAH? How about 'this' webm where nothing happens?
>>141294043
another anon said that, all I said is that the animation you provided as examples are bad.
I never said anything about how it looked visually. You need to get whatever's stuck up your ass out and stop being so anal about it.
![Etotama - 01 [720p].mkv_snapshot_01.12_[2015.04.12_21.41.50].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/llFgdDE.jpg "Etotama - 01 [720p].mkv_snapshot_01.12_[2015.04.12_21.41.50].jpg")
I miss this show and I miss my Tiger
>>141294098
I'm not that anon. I'm actually making fun of him. Expelled from Paradise was rather meh the entire time for me, especially animation wise.
>>141294020
well i doubt that making a 3D anime would cost more money than creating hand drawn anime, i'm not an animator, but i work with CAD, i found it far more simple, faster and easy to draw stuffs using CAD especially 3D design
by using this experience of mine, i could say that "maybe' 3D is way "cheaper" (faster simpler easier) than hand drawn animebut once again, i'm not an animator, and i didn't know how anime studio works though
Post more 3D.
>>141292378
>only three people watched this show
two of them were just me rewatching the episode for the week.
it still hurts
>>141293667
thelegomovie.gif
>>141294258
What are you on about we had a lot of people watching the show while it aired. There's just not a lot to say beyond it was funny or pretty when Etos weren't dying.
>>141293739
Fuck off, there are examples of good CG, but Expelled from Paradise is not one of them.
>>141294226
getting the software is expensive as fuck, you'd also need the money to get good computers to run renders and simulations.
Also the money that would be burned simply to adjust the 2D workflow that's already been established and making it work alongside 3D. Right now some studios are just making a small as shit 3D department just for small shit like toast or a bike. Making a whole department be as big as a 2D department would require adjustments in scheduling and thus affect budgeting and money.
You'd also need to hire people that actually know what they're doing. Most studios only know how to do 2D work, so you'd need to hire people with 3D knowledge to get that shit done.
So while 3D itself is not necessarily "expensive", as you said, it's faster to a regard in comparison to 2D animation, it's just the money required to reach that kind of cheapness is a whole fucking lot.
>>141293414
>footfag bait
>best anything
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQYVsf82K5c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i-sUSQoRjs
>>141294964
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5inMkRulBW8
>>141293414
>>141294830
It has been a year and this is still going on.
Someone post more Nyaa-tan please.
>>141292378
because chibi shit does not require too much work.
>>141292378
>pretty good.
It was a fucking masterpiece(and this come from someone that hate cgi irrationaly) people will talk about in 2'0 years like a classic.
Reminds me of MapleStory
>>141296310
20 years*
>>141296310
nice try, mr. CGI faggot
>>141296310
>like a classic
the show is honestly "okay". If people in the future said it was a classic they'd be singing too many praises for a show that was just "okay" and overrating it.
the 3D though is great for a tv anime. It will definitely be written in history as a stepping stone for 3D in anime.
>>141296416
>the 3D though is great for a tv anime. It will definitely be written in history as a stepping stone for 3D in anime.
That's what i'm exactly talking about, the whole 3D part was magnificent, and I also loved the whole series, if it had any mistake it was only being 1 cour, so many characters, so little time, at least there's the manga.
>>141293414
>>141294830
I look for this EVERY Eto thread, Thank you friends.
>>141296570
I think the one mistake that Shaa-tan fans will remember is that they got fucked over by her character episode literally being a recap episode. I'm not even a Shaa-tan person, though I can appreciate her qualities, and I'm upset for them.
Dick move on the staff with that one, even if they had to save money or something. I think the reason was stated in the episode.
BumpI'm sleepy and drunk, don't know what to talk about but it's always nice to see an Etotam thread.
>>141293519
More than often it looks terrible due to terrible animation and/or shading. But I really like when it's done decently enough.
>>141293414
>>141294830
You guys help keep Etotama alive in my heart
>>141293739
This looks like a MMD animation.
I don't know what this is but it looks like fucking trash.
>>141298557
Like your face
>>141293519
There's nothing wrong with 3d, it's when they paste 3d in a 2d anime and try to pretend it isn't there.
>>141298557
Stop looking at the mirror.
>>141298709
I feel the heat of that burn from here.
Rig animation is fucking awfull. It's not natural and always look awkward. You will never achieve hand drawn level of animation with CGI. That's why CGI is abomination and shouldn't exist.
Reminder that is the year of the best girl.
Why are 3DCG in anime looks like they've been rendered at a frame rate lower than 30?
>>141298777
Hello time traveler.
>>141292378
The framerate bugs the shit out of me.
>>141298792
maybe your GPU isn't strong enough
>>141292378
I fucking hate 3D CGI in 2D shows, but the stuff in this was good and still cute.
Dropped that furshit rock concert one like a stone when I saw it in there.
Best episode.
>tfw no more wacky races on my animu
Step up studios.
>>141298937
>wacky races
Osomatsu-san had one last season.
>>141293739
This doesn't look like anime. It looks like CG. That's the problem.
>tfw there will never be good CG mecha
No, Orange is just as shitty as the rest.
>>141298981
Maybe it's time to adjust your perception as to what anime should look like. CGI is here to stay, might as well get used to it.
>>141298996
>>141298996
To be honest I don't want CG mechas even if they're good. I'm fine with everything else but not mechas.
>>141298953
Still on my backlog, for some reason I haven't start it yet.
I kinda want to see porn done like this.
>>141296713
Oh, Shaa-tan fans won't like what the manga did to her as well.
Good night sweet thread.
>>141299059
In chibi mode?
Ignore the picture, just posting it because.
>>141293519
>I still don't get what people hate on 3DCG.
some few exception, most 3DS is fan made shit or used to cut budget corners, and looks bad, (see bersek movies)
>>141299247
Of course.
On a completely unrelated note, how difficult would it be to create animations/models like the ones in the show?
>>141298752
>You will never achieve hand drawn level of animation with CGI
if the world were full of people like you we would still on hte stone age
>tfw we were given a S2 in Fall 2015 and we didn't even notice
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm27523035
Fine, it's a completely unrelated 5-min show, but it's a cute-as-fuck Cat-tries-to-get-into-the-zodiac anime, with Rat voiced by KUGIMIYA FUCKING RIE.Also Cat gets into the zodiac in the end.
>>141293705
>>141294830
Threadly reminder thatInu-tan kawaii.
>>141299247
>boring swimsuit when she was canonically wearing shimapan bikini in the anime
>>141292378
I remember I dropped Show by Rock that season for the CG but loved the fuck out of Etotama.
Fite me.
>>141293191
Can't decide between Mei-tan, shima-tan, and Uri-tan. Shar-tan and Piyo-tan were pretty good too. Still kinda pissed that Shar-tan's episode was a recap.
A real fucking shame that season 2 never.
>>141300510
I skipped all the CG scenes in Show by Rock. They were so ugly and repugnant.
Every time someone posts Uri-tan, it makes me want to commit a crime.
So please don't post any Uri-tan.
BRS had best CGI
>>141300615
Sorry, anon. It's for the greater good.
Just passing through to remind you that cock worst eto
>>141292756
KING CRIMSON
>>141300840
>>141300683
I think I love Nyaa-tan.
>>141300683
This.
>>141302161
Pretty sure the excessive yuri-bait contributed to that
>>141302403
Not to mention all the attention it got from the fujos with Miyano
>>141298792
Because most of it is.
Why are Etoshins so sexual?
>>141303895
[dubious - discuss]
>>141304033
>>141303895
>she's blue
>Blue bird of happiness
I understand now
It was great. A shame there's no Dog and Monkey focus episode, their fight would've been pretty fun to watch.
I remember some anon posted the nendo Etotamas they bought, it was adorable as fuck.
I'm always surprised to see this show get brought up.
It was really mediocre, and the only thing memorable was the CG.
Especially the ending, I can't see anyone actually liking this show outside of character design.
>>141292378
Black Rock Shooter also had decent CGI (the models at least).
Template.
>>141292378
>chibi forms
easy modo to get out of the valley
>>141304414
I haven't changed out either of their parts yet, I should really get on that one of these days.
>>141306177
Why are 2D perverted girls so great?
>>141300615
Did you know that even Uri-tan is not loli height?
This was so confusing to me given the character designs, and then seeing that for example Cat or Monkey are exactly at the average japanese adult women's height.
>>141302403
>>141302161
Not reaally
>>141303015
The difference all came down to the fujo pandering, and SBR being already a staple title for women.
Back from work.
Posting more Angela.
>>141307249
Are you trying to make me vomit?
>>141307249
Wrong thread?
>>141307321
Angela is always related.
ALWAYS.
>>141307321
Scroll up, he was defending that movie's CG.
>>141307249
This looks incredibly stilted.
>>141292452
>X years from now is when 3D will truly be great
Been hearing this shit since the Final Fantasy movie and the first 3D Appleseeds
One day you'll just have to admit 3D is garbage.
>>141292378
It really was. I wasn't even into the series that much but I archived it anyway because it felt like a big step for technology that I'd look back and appreciate someday.
>>141308891
I don't think it's so wrong if clumsy CG can be saved by a good story, acting, direction, and music. I honestly didn't care most of the time that Arpeggio was CG; and let's be pragmatic, an action-heavy series like this might very well not have been approved with a traditional animation budget.
>>141292378
2cute4me
>>141293783
I do too, Nyaa-tan was a great cat girl, a truly cat-like cat girl.
>>141308986
If you are going to post Arpeggio, then at least post best ship.
>>141293519
3DCG haters mostly are retards, kids and dunning kruger effect victims. Hating CGI is very popular. People even hate WOW CGI and Weta works now
>>141309205
>HEY!
>>141299139
>sleeping with socks on
has anime gone too far?
>>141309503
Iona was cute.
But Kongou is still most elegant ship of my heart.
>>141298752
Sure thing tumblrshitter. No need to try and fit in so hard though.
>>141309302
Because all of WoW movie actors are babyfaced 18 year olds.
It's extremely jarring to see a well-made armor and a fucking teenager in it playing a character that's supposed to be 30~.
>>141309927
>most elegant
Sure.
I guess it boils down to my preference for cuteness rather than elegance.
Still great shipfu you have there.
>>141309205
Fuck retards like Kongou.
The anime faithfully adapted Ark Performance's leg fetish.
>>141309302
As an animator that works on games let me tell you that 90% of CG shows are fucking atrocious. Not only are they skimping on actual animation, but they're keeping the shitty frame rate of most anime.
Also Hollywood can't animate for shit because they just throw up a mess of jumbled scenes and throw excessive blur all over it on top of not understanding how animation works and Warcraft looks like an unfinished mess where everyone standing in front of a green screen is as obvious as blue screen was in old films.
>>141304181
blue bird! blue bird! blue bird!
>>141293105
Pseudo time "stop".
>>141311855
Yeah. She was just very fast. And she still lost. What an useless little bunny. Only good for her sex appeal.
>>141309529
I-is that weird? I wear socks all the time, just feels wrong and cold otherwise.
>>141307701
you should see her boots
>>141299486
In most anime, when a character suddenly goes from 2D to 3D it's extremely jarring. They just made it a transformation sequence. It's brilliant.
>>141308982
creepy as shit
>>141293414
READING THIS IS MY DRUG
Jojo and Etotama had good 3D mainly because it was 3D that was made to somewhat look like anime.
The webms in this thread look like shit because it's 3D intended to replace anime. Scene-specific stuff made to cut costs on having to do that one storyboard in drawing, in hopes that the viewer won't notice. And it has to maintain a weird 2D look in motion, especially when the character's angle changes, by badly emulating actual animation techniques. It has a hard time looking 2D even when not in motion.
3D will never become anime, it'll always either look like that cheap uncanny valley shit or be 3D that's anime-looking.
>>141309205
>tfw. Kongou bites Hiei.
![Eve no Jikan - 02 (BD 1280x720 x264 AAC).mp4_snapshot_01.57_[2013.10.29_01.09.34].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ELVDdlw.jpg "Eve no Jikan - 02 (BD 1280x720 x264 AAC).mp4_snapshot_01.57_[2013.10.29_01.09.34].jpg")
>>141313020
>3D will never become anime, it'll always either look like that cheap uncanny valley shit or be 3D that's anime-looking.
Sufficiently advanced renderers are indistinguishable from traditional media.
Not saying that we're there yet.
>>141313425
Call me stupid, but don't a lot of manga use CG renders?
>>141313355
It was amusing, but everyone was acting a bit stupid or a caricature of themselves when you're used to the manga characters.
Like, sure, ashigara is an energetic goofball. But mindlessly spamming beams in all directions while flailing with an energy anchor is too far. In the equivalent battle in the manga she still coordinates with nachi and has tactical awareness.
Chibi characters work well in 3D but characters that are supposed to look human come off as kinda creepy looking in 3D imo
So anyone got a link for the bluray dance special? I remember seeing a preview for it after the show ended
>>141313516
Hyuuga a shit.
>>141292378
Yes, it was great.
>>141313425
Badly done 3D made to look like badly done anime.
>>141313516
there are several levels, pretty much the same as in anime
>1. do everything the traditional way
>2. use some very rough interior modelling software as reference to get perspective right, but draw everything by hand
>2. draw most things by hand, use CG (+ some post processing in a 2D tool) for some mechanical objects/props/building or whatever
>4. CG for almost everything with minimal retouching or the occasional closeup in 2D
But with the dot-matrix print, no animation and black/white it's much harder to tell apart, especially the intermediate levels of retouching or drawing over models.
![[Pussub][Etotama][BDRip][ED1.Special.Ver].mkv_snapshot_00.17_[2016.05.09_19.58.52].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/dFII5j2.jpg "[Pussub][Etotama][BDRip][ED1.Special.Ver].mkv_snapshot_00.17_[2016.05.09_19.58.52].jpg")
>>141313696
>bluray dance special
It's on the BDrip, obviously.
I'm not sure why people still bother arguing with the anti-CG crowd, it's not like you'll ever convince them.
>>141314112
Why not? If everyone agreed things would be boring.
>>141314112
That doesn't look very "anime" though, not a good example in my opinion. More like an ingame cutscene in a video game.
