Amagi Park is the only good Kyoani anime of the decade.
Saved by mascots, not the bitches.
>>141204359
I love Amagi but it's mid tier KyoAni.
>>141204693
Compared with their earlier works, maybe. But he talked about the last decade.
>there will never be an Elementario SoL anime
It is good but it's not the only one, no.
>>141205524
It's still mid tier this decade.
>>141205675
Compared with what?
>>141205737
Nichijou, Disappearance, K-On S2, Hibike, Tamako Love Story, Hyouka
>>141205588
but they are adult right as they drank beer?
>>141205795
The current decade is past 2010, so I can concede that Nichijou and Tamako are above Amagi in the KyoAni ranking. That still means Amagi is among their top series.
>>141205943
Not every SoL anime has to have the characters be in high school.I just want more Earth in my life.
>>141205989
bu..but then they are not pure and sexually active
Kobori is cute. CUTE.
>>141205795
>Nichijou
Stopped reading there.
It was shit. SHIT
Will they ever top Amagi's faces? Phantom World had good ones but they just weren't Amagi tier.
>>141206734
Koboring
>>141206793
The only shit thing here is your abominable taste.
>>141206821
>Will they ever top Amagi's faces? Phantom World had good ones but they just weren't Amagi tier.
No because it was a true gem for adults, not some shit otaku pandering show.
>>141206853
My taste is superb and Nichijou was a stinking pile of shit but that's fine because it shows how only newfriends like you would like it, not knowing about real good old comedy shows. Your new generation is the worst I've seen on 4chan since 2004-2005.
>>141204359
I just want them to stop adapting shitty LN. When will they save anime again, /a/?
>>141206933
>using amagi for such a fedora-tier post
Disgusting
>>141206933
You couldn't be more wrong with your assumptions, but hey, I'll play along.
Tell me what you consider a real good old comedy show then. Enlighten me, oldfag sempai.
>>141204359
But KnK was fine.
>>141204359
Average as fuck, mascots were the only saving grace.
>>141207357
It was dreadful.
>>141207357
KnK was the best anime ever made.
>>141204544
Why is Indiana Jones there?
>>141207357
>But KnK was fine.
You are not wrong.
>>141207395
You're dreadful.
>>141207538
I think he meant this.
>>141207509
I wasn't asking for recommendations.
I was just curious to know what you consider good comedy anime, since your taste is so much better than mine.
Put your money where your mouth is, mate.
>>141208659
How do I unsubscribe from your blog?
>>141208707
How do I get you to answer a simple question?
They make good stuff, but they should fire whoever is the one who picks what they adapt.
>>141204359
The mascots were pretty annoying and unfunny. Amagi in general had some of the worst comedic timing I've seen in anime. Takemoto can't into comedy
>>141209106
>They make good stuff, but they should fire whoever is the one who picks what they adapt.
What are you talking about?
If you are talking about Kadokawa and such, those are employers hiring them for a job. They don't get to pick. If you are talking about in-house projects, they don't have many stories they CAN pick, they are literally working with what little they got.
>>141209345
I bet you liked nichishit
Amagi was so shit.
>>141207357
>dose lackluster action scenes
I mean they looked nice and all, but something was off about them, I think the sound design made them feel dull and there wasn't enough impact.Also megane a shit
>>141209549
I bet you liked nichishit
>>141209630
megane is my type
It was alright, better than Phantom World, at the very least.
>>141209345
>Amagi in general had some of the worst comedic timing I've seen in anime. Takemoto can't into comedy
This isn't a good joke.
>>141209630
I barely remember KnK because I hated every minute of what I watched, but I always assumed that I didn't like the action scenes because I couldn't give less of a fuck about the terrible characters.
Yuushibu aired in the same season with the same animation director, had a quarter of the budget or talent, but I was still more invested in those action scenes.
>>141209779
>same animation director
I'm quite the KyoAni fanboy but shit, you're right. How can Kyoani fuck it up so bad?
>>141209779
>KnK had terrible characters
>More invested in Yuushibu
wew lad
>>141209779
Kyoukai no Kanata had bad choreography. I'm impressed with how they improved in its OVA+movie, and Phantom World though.
Also honestly Kyoukai no Kanata's OVA was pretty good. I didn't like the TV series or movie, and I'd recommend it to anyone who didn't either.
>>141210105
>Kyoukai no Kanata had bad choreography
Love this meme, especially when people who don't know what choreography means and started spouting it in a desperate attempt to talk bad about of show.
>>141210105
>bad choreography
bitch please
>>141210219
Amaburi had better midriffs.
>>141210743
God DAMN
>>141211099
Muse just worked harder for hers. Mirai can't afford to eat.
>>141207357
>>141207538
>>141207595
KnK > KnK > KnK
Prove me wrong, faggots.
>>141210743
>>141211954
>KnK > KnK > KnK
are you kidding me?
KnK > Knk >KnK
This is fact.
>>141205588
Because they were the worst part.
>>141211954
>>141212039
KnK > KnK > KnK > KnK
Nichijou is the only KyoAni show that I can't enjoy, everything else after that had been real great.
Now that that's been said,
>>141210219
Who's the flattest KyoAni girl?
>>141213152
Latifa
>>141213152
>Who's the flattest KyoAni girl?
>>141204359
I love the old fart mascots and the sexy bitches too. It was a really fun show. Can't believe it didn't sell more than it did.
>>141213152
i prefer fleshy tummy
>>141213248
I'm pretty sure he has a penis
>>141213442
come on, it is called ''magnetic'' voice
>>141213442
She just has a husky voice you asshole
>>141212474
Godly taste.
>>141209345
>Amagi in general had some of the worst comedic timing I've seen in anime
Pretty much this. It was tolerable when it avoided comedy or drama, which means not too often.
>>141209345
>Amagi in general had some of the worst comedic timing I've seen in anime
is this nigger serious?
>>141207357
>/a/ said it was gonna be THE MONOGATARI KILLER
Kyonifags are so cute
HAIL SHAFT!
>>141210152
Ok let me tell you this, KNK had a real shitty depth for characters that you barely cared for at that point like not knowing the actions of the characters and understanding the villains. It never explained how the mc got his immortality which was very important and was shrugged off as if it was barely anything. The point where it lost the mood of the show by trying to be humorous felt very dry for its setting especially involving the fetishes. Left too many plot holes and left the most powerful world building and setting aspect too unexplored. Trying to add moe aspects to that show really hurt the uniformity of the setting thus does not fit. And adding that bullshit with her coming back was like a real cop out especially with the aspect of her having amnesia.
>>141204359
Mascots were top tier but the girls where nothing to sneeze at.
>>141213939
Pretty sure the only thing that can kill Monogatari is Monogatari.
That is the Otaku magnum opus, they revere it like it's some kind of neckbeard holy book. NisiOisiN can release a giant steaming pile of shit and they will eat it and beg for more.
Monogatari fans are the Blizzard fans of anime.
Personally, I like the girls and the series is okay but I have never thought it was superior to other harems like many of it's fanbase claim it is. Although, they claim it isn't harem at all but some kind of superior transcendent echii series.
>>141216524
Forgot pic
>>141216524
The first season was quite special. It got somewhat repetitive at some point while Nise and the last seasons are just the same formula all over again with more ecchi.
>>141216524
>Blizzard fans of anime
More like the CoD of anime
More like the Pats fans of anime
More like the Game of Thrones fans of anime
More like the Death Grips fans of anime
Anything else?
>>141204359
Hyouka is probably their best TV anime 2011-2016.
Euphonium was also better than Amagi.
Amagi is just average, just seasonal filler. It's generic, and does nothing that well.
It's the level of Free, okay to watch but nothing special.
>>141217830
>Amagi is just average, just seasonal filler. It's generic, and does nothing that well.
Funny how you think that Euph and Hyok have some high ground over Amaburi
>>141217830
Hibike is better than Hyouka.
>>141217933
Almost anything is better than Hyouka.
>>141217922
Hyouka is a masterpiece, one of the better anime of this decade.
Euphonium is just like Free, just much better at everything. At their core, they are literally the same anime.
I also want to mention Tamako Market, the parts without the bird are really good.
>>141218108
Euphonium manages to be more of a sport anime than Free will ever be.
>>141217922
>Hibike
>not better than Amagi
>>141213939
This was the dumbest thing
Who comes up with these pre-airing shitpost phraes
>>141204544
Oh shit it's that world from that nature docs I watched as a kid
>there are people who don't like Tirami
>>141218224
hibekek is hot garbage
>>141219767
Hibike is one of KyoAni's best works and the best anime of its season.
>>141219767
Hibike is a fantastic show anon. What's your problem with it?
>>141219822
best anime of its year*
FTFY
>>141219822
>>141219915
You are baiting harder than Hibike baits the yurifags.
>>141218224
It's not.
>>141220046
>bait
Nice meme.
>>141220046
The moment you try to argue something its the moment I try to substantiate my claims.
>>141220100
It is.
>>141220179
>It is.
Which part?
>>141220203
Which part is not?
The characters are superior, their development is superior, the interactions between them are superior, the music is superior, the art is superior.
Which part of Amagi is better than Hibike? Comedy? Hibike is not even a comedy show.
>>141220312
Hibike characters superior? They are all cut by the same pattern.
Music? Neither of the series has a really remarkable OST.
Art? Arguable, Amagi has better design, Hibike traced backgrounds behind a ton of overused AE filters.
Amagi is a comedy and manages to be good at it. Hibike fails to excel at anything.
I'm a huge Kyoanifag and I'll never understand why Amagi gets the love.
It was okay and ultimately one of the weakest shows from Kyoani.
it wasn't even funny
>>141220494
You have shit taste. It's a fact.
>>141220494
>>141220561
i chuckle first during where Kannie scream Sento twice in a roll in the dungeon
>>141220425
>They are all cut by the same pattern.
What are you talking about? There are characters with very different motivations and backgrounds in Hibike.
>Music? Neither of the series has a really remarkable OST.
That's subjective, what's not is the fact that Hibike has a great deal of attention put into the music, to the point that you can clearly tell which player is better just by listening to it or when the band is playing awfully.
>Art? Arguable, Amagi has better design, Hibike traced backgrounds behind a ton of overused AE filters.
No it's not, the instruments of Hibike are some of the best drawn instruments in any show.
And the talk about characters is preposterous, every single background character in Hibike has a unique design, even mob characters that don't have a single individual line in the whole show are instantly recognizable.
Tracing backgrounds behind filters is not a rare practice in the industry, what's important is the end result.
>Hibike fails to excel at anything.
Hibike excels at portraying teenager drama in the context of a band practicing to get far in competitions.
>>141220425
>They are all cut by the same pattern.
Why do you mean by this?
>Arguable, Amagi has better design, Hibike traced backgrounds behind a ton of overused AE filters.
I agree somewhat on the latter points (not the tracing, almost all artists draw from referential material), but I really don't think the character designs are better in Amagi (they're really just more vibrant and cartoonish) and Hibike has far, far better color design.
>>141220494
Not as weak as hyoukshit and yurikek, those two are the definition of overrated (by plebs)
>>141209630
KnK isn't about the action.
What's the average budget of a kyoani show?
>>141214843
>KNK had a real shitty depth for characters
Kek
Do you literally need everything spelled out for you? I bet you think Aki loved Mirai because she had glasses.
>>141220715
>What are you talking about? There are characters with very different motivations and backgrounds in Hibike.
They all failed to make me care about them. I prefer Amagi's vibrant characters and I actually could relate with them and their struggles.
>That's subjective, what's not is the fact that Hibike has a great deal of attention put into the music, to the point that you can clearly tell which player is better just by listening to it or when the band is playing awfully.
That's sounds design rather than OST, which was better in hibike (which is to be expected).
>No it's not, the instruments of Hibike are some of the best drawn instruments in any show.
>And the talk about characters is preposterous, every single background character in Hibike has a unique design, even mob characters that don't have a single individual line in the whole show are instantly recognizable.
Tracing backgrounds behind filters is not a rare practice in the industry, what's important is the end result.
Highly detailed instruments copied from reference and which always looked painfully detached from the characters fail to impress me.
I care more about making the important characters distinguishable than making 1000 different hairstyles for every single mob character, to be honest.
Also, the problem with tracing backgrounds is that they fail to create meaningful scenery to support the narrative, which should be the point of backgrounds and not just looking pretty.
>Hibike excels at portraying teenager drama in the context of a band practicing to get far in competitions.
Hibike fails to portray a real teenager at all.
>>141220755
>hyoukshit and yurikek
this is the definition of trying too hard
>>141221175
>They all failed to make me care about them
Dude. That doesn't mean they're the same.
>>141221175
>Tracing backgrounds
I like this meme
>>141221175
>They all failed to make me care about them.
How so?
>Highly detailed instruments copied from reference and which always looked painfully detached from the characters fail to impress me.
Every artist draws from reference and Hibike has far and away the instrument animation of any show I've ever seen. They really don't even feel disconnected from the world, at least not any more so than real instruments do. Instruments do look rather strange.
>>141221175
>I prefer Amagi's vibrant characters and I actually could relate with them and their struggles.
Yeah, you seem like the kind of person that could relate with Sylphy's brain problems
>>141221175
>They all failed to make me care about them.
That's subjective.
You can't really say that every character is the same just because you didn't like any of them.
>Highly detailed instruments copied from reference and which always looked painfully detached from the characters fail to impress me.
But they don't look painfully detached from characters.
And of course they're copied from reference if they want to draw realistic looking instruments, what kind of criticism is that? If they're uncapable of drawing instruments without looking at reference photos they're shit?
>I care more about making the important characters distinguishable
But every single main character is instantly recognizable too.
>Hibike fails to portray a real teenager at all.
The only character that is somewhat unrealistic is Reina.
>>141221392
>arguing with autists
>>141221358
>Yeah, you seem like the kind of person that could relate with Sylphy's brain problems
So mature.
>>141221430
Where do you think we are
>>141221392
Say, what's unreal about Reina?
>>141206853
ayyy lmao
>he thinks nichijou is good
>>141222980
She's too autistic.
>>141223032
It is.Amagi is better anyway.
>People who like Fumoffu but dislike AmaBuri
Why? It's the same type of comedy.
>>141223175
It's not. Fumoffu was pretty funny but Amaburi wasn't funny at all.
>>141223175
I like Amaburi, but not because it was funny. It just had really hot girls. Fumoffu is fucking dog shit. What is so funny about a kid pulling out his glock at school? That's all that happens. That and Tsundere shenanigans. Fuck Chidorifags.
>>141223305
It is.
>>141208707
your taste is shit and you know it. just admit it instead of running away.
>>141223175
They're both hilarious. I miss both of those shows.
>>141220983
>Do you literally need everything spelled out for you?
This is a non-committal excuse idiots make so they don't have to make a meaningful argument for why their show is good.
>>141220494
Because Kyoanifags are retarded though nowhere as much as you.
>>141225740
GodAnifags are sensible.
>>141211818
>>141220494
>I'm a huge Kyoanifag and I'll never understand why Amagi gets the love.
Oh, Malik, that's because your taste is complete and total SHIT.
>>141205795
Arguable and only four of those are shows (not fair to compare a show with a movie)
Being worse than 4 shows out of 6 years is definitely still better than mid tier
>No FMP
>No Rewrite
>No Planetarian
You lived long enough to see kyoani neglected out of every big project.
>>141226670
>No FMP
We don't know which studio is doing FMP.
>No Rewrite
>No Planetarian
Keyshit is dead. KyoAni was smart to move on when they did.
AmuBuri was the only Kyoani show I enjoyed watching to the end.
Nichijou made me want to kill myself.
>>141226870
>Nichijou made me want to kill myself.
What stopped you?
>>141227087
I decided to dedicate my life to killing kyoani instead, one crappy imageboard post at a time.
>>141227158
Good luck with that, Yamakan.
>>141227158
You are not being very successful at it.
All Kyoani anime are enjoyable, and at the very least nice to look at
Truth
>>141227326
>and at the very least nice to look at
You know, people keep saying this but there's really a limit to how much of the k-on sameface you can take before it starts looking like shit.
>>141227406
The limit was K-ON.
>>141227461
It was K-ON!!
Sento being autistic moe warmed my heart.
>>141227406
>k-on sameface
Old, tired, and inaccurate meme. Let it die already.
>>141227406
That doesn't make any sense. Even if I accept the existence of the "K-On sameface" meme, that doesn't make them magically start looking worse, it would just be you getting tired of a particular type of face.
>>141212474
Knk > Knk > Knk >knk
fuck I though the first 3 already including kabenari
the mascots were the worst part
>>141213515
too far
>>141223495
nah
>>141227657
More like this?
>>141227908
yeah
>>141227821
>the mascots were the worst part
You are the worst part of /a/
>>141227821
What a shitty bait.
>>141227821
I hope you choke on a lego
>>141228603
I hope you step on one
>>141229741
Easy there.
>>141214843
>KNK had a real shitty depth for characters that you barely cared for at that point like not knowing the actions of the characters and understanding the villains
You had to be retarded not to understand the characters and the villains, and no one but shitposters who watched the show specifically to complain got mad that the characters made jokes and had quirks. You sound like the kind of idiot who thinks that Hiromi only followed his sister around because he wanted to fuck her.
>It never explained how the mc got his immortality which was very important and was shrugged off as if it was barely anything
Oh I get, you're one of those idiots who who thinks everything needs to be like LNshit where they explain literally every detail of everyone's power and backstory. That's garbage story telling and you should feel bad.
>Left too many plot holes
Literally 0, and the threads have been explaining to you idiots what happened since it aired.
>And adding that bullshit with her coming back was like a real cop out
Sure, if you weren't paying attention.
And way to completely not mention the choreography which you were completely fucking wrong about, because you shitposting retards desperately looks for bad things to saw about the show despite not actually knowing anything about it. Good job reminding us all how stupid you are.
>>141230138
Yeah sorry that's taking it too far.
>>141205795
I'm gonna puke.
>>141230457
because you realized how bad your taste is?
>>141216524
They're adapting an LN and the stuff on screen most of the time doesn't matter at all. Did you go in trying to hate it or something? Monogatari means story and they deliver one hell of a story.
>>141227821
>the mascots were the worst part
I want Salama to step on me
I have never seen someone provide an educated, legitimate argument as to why Amagi is better than average.
>>141231463
I have never seen someone provide an educated, legitimate argument as to why Amagi isn't better than average.
>>141231514
Textbook Amagifag argument, everybody.
Go be a child somewhere besides /a/.
>>141231463
Textbook anti-Amagifag argument, everybody.
Go be a child somewhere besides /a/.
>>141231834
In other words you don't have an argument for him.
Go shitpost somewhere besides /a/.
>>141220494
Amagi actually has some semblance of a plot which puts it miles above anything Kyoani's made in the last 5 years at least.
>>141233847
>plotbabbys
>>141233847
Does anyone here know what plot means or does it only apply to shows you like?
>>141204359
Can't argue with that. Nichijou was nice but it wasn't something that one gets invested in and it didn't sell well for several good reasons despite how pleasant the show was overall. ABP might have had high school as a thing, but it wasn't what defined the characters and it wasn't the main setting for the show; that alone made it so much better. Mascots were top tier and there were enough grown-ass adults to balance it all out. The characters struggled with both everyday and unique problems, there were no main/supporting characters that were simply one-shot garbage templates for a single episode, and were overall engaging. It wasn't perfect(shady businessman who just happens to be the ebul wizrd in disguise)but it was definitely something that had some care put into it.
The rest of KyoAni for the last decade is the same high school garbage with an M Night Shamalamadingdong twist, be it fighting or relationship trash.
>>141235680
Nichijou sold more than Amagi and aired on NHK-E though.
>>141223464
>What is so funny about a kid pulling out his glock at school?
>americans
>>141235826
Thank god. Amagi was just hollow otaku trash. Takemoto is a washed up hack.
>>141235826
>Nichijou sold more than Amagi
Sorry to break it to you but it didn't.
>>141204359
>Kenny West saves misc and anime
How can one musician be so based?
>>141235826
Point still stands; it was easily the best plot-driven show they've had in years.
>>141236584
If anything that's Hibike, but what exactly do you mean by "plot driven?"
>>141235826
>nichijou sold more
lol no
>>141217933
Not even remotely close. You actually have to be insane to think this.
>>141235680
>with an M Night Shamalamadingdong twist
Like what?
>>141231691
Damn, CC is so hot almost no matter what she wears.
>>141238970
Why? I mean even if you prefer Hyouka it's not like there's a massive gap of quality between the two.
>>141235680
Eh, nichijou was significantly more easy to get invested in. Amagi had the more unique plot yes, but in the end plot won't get you far if everything else is dull. Also Amagi's last 2 episodes were dogshit.
>>141239020
Hibike is a good music drama that's structured like a sports anime with solid animation, art and directing. Hyouka is a masterpiece of the medium, and on a different level. There is absolutely a massive gap between the two.
>>141239094
> Hyouka is a masterpiece of the medium
You've said absolutely nothing about it with that sentence.
>>141239160
It excels in literally every area. Art, animation, music, directing, dialog, character development, etc. Every aspect of it is air tight, and it's one of the few shows that actually makes use of the visual medium to show you the story instead of just telling it, and even the parts that tell it are fantastic (to be fair, a lot is lost in translation since the author's writing is very "clever" in Japanese and it just doesn't translate as well into English). Hibike is a by the books sports team story, and despite some nice looking episodes, doesn't push the medium nearly as far as Hyouka. You're trying to compare a Cadillac to a Ferrari.
But hey, I can already tell from your comments that you're going to act like a passive aggressive faggot and start saying "Well I think that's kinda subjective since I don't really see what's so special in Hyouka and I really liked to pretend Hibike was a great yuri romance story, so I'll just say it's all a matter of subjective opinion."
>>141233847
Eh, the plot was thin at best, and some of it isn't particularly unique.I thought Latifa's subplot almost ruined the show.
Luckily, that doesn't stop the show to be wholly entertaining.
>>141239094
I don't see it. Hyouka's a well-executed SoL with light mystery elements but it has plenty of problems, and, in my opinion, bigger problems than Hibike does.
>>141239355
You're basically just saying it's extremely well executed. Pretty much everything you say here can be applied to almost any good show, Hibike included. What pushes Hyouka above other well executed shows?
>>141239355
>comments
That was the first reply I've made to you. I'm not the anon you were talking to prior.
But yeah, that sounds like a load of shit anyways. You sound like you're just talking it up.
>>141204359
>Of the decade.
Amagi is the only good Kyoani anime period.
>>141239644
only bad*
>>141239429
>I don't see it. Hyouka's a well-executed SoL with light mystery elements but it has plenty of problems
That's a gross oversimplification, and I'd love to hear about these imaginary flaws.
>You're basically just saying it's extremely well executed. Pretty much everything you say here can be applied to almost any good show
No I'm not, not even close. The dialog between the two isn't even comparable. The detail in the art in Hyouka is on another level. The movie arc in Hyouka alone is better than anything Hibike tries. The entire thing is them picking apart a mystery movie and making commentary on the genre, while at the same time being in a mystery show that the commentary directly applies to. Things like the point about mysteries be inherently kind of scary because of the element of the unknown, despite no danger present in the story while the atmosphere shifts to that creepy house despite no danger ever being in the story are clever. Seriously, watch how that entire thing is put together from lighting, music and cinematography all the way down to the character interactions and monologues about what's going on. Nothing in Hibike even approaches it. Go watch the conversations Oreki has with Irisu and pay attention to how the visuals complement his state of mind, it's perfectly composed. Absolutely nothing in Hibike is on that level, it's really just a good sports drama, but instead of sports it's music.
>>141239565
>Your post doesn't count because I say so
>Only you have to substantiate what you say, I can just ignore everything and write it off because I feel like it
You're literally retarded and nothing you post contributes to actual discussion. Stop wasting everyone's time.
>>141239857
>Your post doesn't count because I say so
You said nothing. Calling Hyouka a "masterpiece" doesn't say anything about what makes it a better work than Euphonium. He clearly doesn't think it is, elsewise he wouldn't make the comparison in the first place.
So with that post you made you contributed nothing to actual discussion while I was trying to get you to actually say something of substance. It's more contribution than you were doing up to that point, that's for sure.
It took you this many posts to actually say something of value, so you calling me retarded doesn't make you any less wrong.
>>141239857
>No I'm not, not even close. The dialog between the two isn't even comparable. The detail in the art in Hyouka is on another level. The movie arc in Hyouka alone is better than anything Hibike tries.
>No the thing I like is better
>The entire thing is them picking apart a mystery movie and making commentary on the genre, while at the same time being in a mystery show that the commentary directly applies to. Things like the point about mysteries be inherently kind of scary because of the element of the unknown, despite no danger present in the story while the atmosphere shifts to that creepy house despite no danger ever being in the story are clever.
>Here is a vague summary of the thing I like.
>Seriously, watch how that entire thing is put together from lighting, music and cinematography all the way down to the character interactions and monologues about what's going on. Nothing in Hibike even approaches it. Go watch the conversations Oreki has with Irisu and pay attention to how the visuals complement his state of mind, it's perfectly composed. Absolutely nothing in Hibike is on that level, it's really just a good sports drama, but instead of sports it's music.
>Seriously look, literally everything is better in every way.
>Absolutely nothing in Hibike is on that level, it's really just a good sports drama, but instead of sports it's music.
>Hibike is in a genre I dislike so it couldn't possibly be better than my show
I could replace elements from this to make it in favor of Hibike and it would be equally valid and coherent.
>and I'd love to hear about these imaginary flaws.
Hyouka has a boring cast, especially when compared to Hibike. Not a bad cast, mind you, just not a particularly good one.
This is probably one of the best shows that included really great old men characters.
>>141240206
>Two people stated their opinions, but you're the one who I disagree with you can't say anything without substantiating it
No, you're the idiot.
>>141240246
>I could replace elements from this to make it in favor of Hibike and it would be equally valid and coherent.
No you can't, not at all. Hibike doesn't use nearly the same level of detail or nuance with the directing and has nothing approaching a meta commentary. You're just an idiot who like yuri bait high school drama, and now you're honestly pretending that "I like these characters" means that the show has all of the directing and composition elements I talked about.
>Hyouka has a boring cast, especially when compared to Hibike.
Yup, like I said, you just like the yuribait high school drama. It's my fault from expecting anything else from someone deluded enough to say Hibike is even close to as good as Hyouka.
>>141240636
>Two people stated their opinions, but you're the one who I disagree with you can't say anything without substantiating it
Woah, it's like you can read my mind!
But I don't. I think Hyouka is better than Hibike. But you're obnoxious when you make vague statements with no value when you talk something up and call it a masterpiece.
And look at you getting assblasted because you and some other guy don't see things the same way. And with the way you're presumptuously putting words in his mouth and mine, you're also definitely more close minded than he is.
>>141240636
>Hibike doesn't use nearly the same level of detail or nuance with the directing and has nothing approaching a meta commentary.
Can you provide any kind of examples or reasoning for this other than just stating it outright or explaining basic elements of the show?
>You're just an idiot who like yuri bait high school drama
And you're a pretentious pseudo-intellectual who likes trippy, surreal visuals and Oreki's totally cool and apathetic character archetype.
>means that the show has all of the directing and composition elements I talked about.
Anyways, to do a bit of actual substantive criticism to support my own argument, I believe it does. For example, take the episode 8 mountain walk. In it, we are clued into both characters stances toward the things they do in general (Reina going all out whereas Kumiko half-asses it) with the character outfits, the characters' stances toward each other (Kumiko follows Reina up the mountain), and even a slight suggestion of their ultimate ability (both end up at the same heights, and one could even suggest Kumiko's path is superior due to her managing to make it up without hurting herself).
At any rate, it's a fantastic scene that exhibits all of the elements of symbolic cinematography and I think it does it better than pretty much any scene in Hyouka, though I'm certainly willing to be convinced otherwise in that particular regard.
As to the characters, to compare the MC's alone, Kumiko is far more interesting and relatable. Her primary dilemma is far more reasonable and compelling, and it's brought to a far more conclusive and cathartic conclusion than Oreki's is. She's also just much more entertaining as a character, but that is admittedly far more subjective.
>>141241051
Hey anon, looks like you forgot to say anything of worth or substance and just spouted a whole lot of nothing.
>some other guy don't see things the same way. And with the way you're presumptuously putting words in his mouth and mine
You're an idiot because you haven't actually made a single post of worth, and he's an idiot because after asking why Hyouka was good, he said "Wel that all applies to Hibike as well" when it absolutely 100% does not, and he just likes the high school girl drama.
>>141241138
>Can you provide any kind of examples or reasoning for this other than just stating it outright or explaining basic elements of the show?
Are you fucking retarded, or just pretending?
>And you're a pretentious pseudo-intellectual who likes trippy, surreal visuals and Oreki's totally cool and apathetic character archetype.
Ok, so definitely actually retarded.
Don't feel bad that you couldn't follow Hyouka, but don't pretend the basic high school drama was better because all you could see in Hyouka was "surreal and trippy visuals". This is by far the weakest "criticism" of the show that exists.
>At any rate, it's a fantastic scene that exhibits all of the elements of symbolic cinematography and I think it does it better than pretty much any scene in Hyouka
You have absolutely no grasp of what cinematography is, and I sincerely mean that.
>Kumiko is far more interesting and relatable
Sure, if you're a teenage girl whose level of interest in a character is based on self inserting. Please go ahead and continue pretending that the people who liked the characters in Hyouka all just wanted to self insert as a lazy smart guy.
>>141241278
You know, I actually tried to have a conversation with you, and now you're just saying I'm wrong just because. Please come back when you learn to actually say things of value instead of spouting vague, stupid bullshit.
>>141241394
>I actually tried to have a conversation with you, and now you're just saying I'm wrong just because.
No you fucking idiot, completely misusing terms and making statements that show an utter lack of understanding of the subject material (in this case, cinematography and directing) is not "trying to have a conversation". It's being a pretentious asshole because you think your subjective feelings towards the characters means you can talk about technical aspects of a show and just start inventing new definitions for words and saying asinine garbage like "That entire breakdown of the movie arc could be applied to Hibike as well" when what you're saying doesn't make a shred of sense. You like the pretend lesbians, you thought the mountain climbing scene looked pretty and it made your plus sized panties wet. Stop pretending you've said anything of worth, or that someone who actual knows what the words they use mean is the one spouting vague bullshit.
Let me reiterate again: you are blindingly ignorant and pretentious. Your ideas are worthless when you don't even understand the concepts you're so fervently arguing.
>>141241533
How do you know? What is wrong with my interpretation of the mountain climbing scene?
>>141241598
>What is wrong with my interpretation of the mountain climbing scene?
Because it has fucking nothing to do with cinematography or the kind of nuanced detail in directing and scene composition that we were talking about in Hyouka. On top of it, that was literally the one scene in Hibike that people reference when they want to talk about layered story telling whereas Hyouka was over 20 episodes of that non-stop and of better quality.
>>141241533
As a side note, you are currently engaging in actual, regular adhominem. As to why your breakdown is bad, it's because it's completely generic. You basically just said that it's good and then summarized it.
Also, since when are things like characters positions in frame and in reference to one another not a part of directing or scene composition?
>>141242069
>As a side note, you are currently engaging in actual, regular adhominem
No I'm not, not at all. I swear to god if you try to say that ad hominem means "insulting someone and calling them names" I will find a way to leap through my monitor and strangle you.
>As to why your breakdown is bad, it's because it's completely generic. You basically just said that it's good and then summarized it.
No it's not, not at all. None of that is generic at all. Stop using words you don't understand.
>Also, since when are things like characters positions in frame and in reference to one another not a part of directing or scene composition?
>Two characters positions in reference to each other while they're climbing the (metaphorical) mountain
>This is better cinematography than Hyouka
Oh, I think I get it now. You can't actually pick up on anything that's not extremely obvious and basic. I can see how you'd find Hyouka boring. To answer your question, the relative positioning of two characters in one scene (and that position being one leading the other as both quite literally move uphill) in absolutely no way compares to what was going on in Hyouka.
>>141242251
>You like the pretend lesbians, you thought the mountain climbing scene looked pretty and it made your plus sized panties wet.
This is regular ad hominem. You're implying the only reason I like the show is because I like yuri, and insulting me, and not actually tackling my points.
>in absolutely no way compares to what was going on in Hyouka.
Alright, then break down a scene for me and tell me how and why that scene is so much better than the mountain top scene.
>>141242694
>This is regular ad hominem
No it's not you fucking idiot. Ad hominem would be "You're wrong because you're a yurifag" not "You're an idiot for misusing these terms, you stupid yurifag." I guess we can ad another term to the list of things you don't understand.
>Alright, then break down a scene for me and tell me how and why that scene is so much better than the mountain top scene.
Already referenced a one in the thread and talked about an entire arc that blew Hyouka out of the water. Since we're talking about the overt ones, this blows the mountain scene out of the water by covering more emotions with better visuals cues and doing it in a fraction of the time. It actually encapsulates his entire thought processes through the excitement right down to the crushing blow of reality and it all happens in a few seconds. Let's see if you can pick up all the viusal cues, since you're apparently well versed in discussing cinematography.
>>141242989
Forgot that webm was incomplete, have this as well.
>>141226546
They've only had 10 shows this decade being worse than four puts them in 5th spot, which is mid tier
>>141242989
I don't want to hear about an arc, I want to here about a scene.
But at any rate, yeah, that scene is good. And yes, I get it, the heart clock implies Oreki's expectation of a romantic confession. Good scene, I don't think the show is bad. But why is that significantly better than the mountain scene, in which character's entire outlooks are portrayed by position and character design?
>>141239857
Is this guy for real?
>>141243317
Yes, he thinks Hyouka is the best show ever made and won't hear anything else.
>>141240246
>I could replace elements from this to make it in favor of Hibike and it would be equally valid and coherent.
No, you couldn't. Technical aspects aren't subjective contrary to popular belief.
>>141243261
>in which character's entire outlooks are portrayed by position and character design?
Because it doesn't do that, which is why you have yurifags try and use that scene for everything.
>>141243449
>Because it doesn't do that, which is why you have yurifags try and use that scene for everything.
But it does? How is my interpretation wrong?
>>141243374
None of those aspects are technical, every single one is thematic or only makes reference to technical aspects.
>>141243501
Because you haven't actually broken down that scene into anything, so fuck knows what your interpretation of it is.
>>141243261
>But why is that significantly better than the mountain scene, in which character's entire outlooks are portrayed by position and character design?
Because the visual cues are more creative and varied, and they happen nonstop. You caught the pendulum, but missed the rosy pink outlook turning back into grey reality when his expectations were broken. So you've got one very straightforward scene in Hibike and I've got one very creative one in Hyouka that does just as much in less time with more flair. Now tell me what's happening in this scene, and then show me examples in Hibike of characterization done that gracefully.
>>141243317
No, the other guy is right. Just saying "I liked these girls" can definitely change facts.
>>141243374
>Technical aspects aren't subjective contrary to popular belief.
But muh subjective opinions!
>>141243501
It's not wrong, but Kumiko doing with without an injury meaning her potential is higher is a stretch that isn't supported b the actual story.
>>141243573
Oh, talking about elements of a composition and what they mean isn't a break down?
>>141227657
Im gonna rewatch this show because of this post. Thanks anon.me being drunk probably has something to do with it.
>>141230204
>You had to be retarded not to understand the characters and the villains, and no one but shitposters who watched the show specifically to complain got mad that the characters made jokes and had quirks. You sound like the kind of idiot who thinks that Hiromi only followed his sister around because he wanted to fuck her.
It never explored the full depth of the characters and how they connect to the main plot especially their characterization and interactions that are lackluster with the jokes, meaningless development and dumb interactions that equals to nothing in the story.
>Oh I get, you're one of those idiots who who thinks everything needs to be like LNshit where they explain literally every detail of everyone's power and backstory. That's garbage story telling and you should feel bad.
This is the main character, he had very little development that was essential to his character and ties to the story with his connection to the supernatural especially. At least with proper pacing, you understand characters and their own ties the story as well as their development without the past being shrugged off. This was important to the plot itself as HIS OWN POWER AND LINK TO THE YOUMU AS WELL AS HIS GOALS.
>Literally 0, and the threads have been explaining to you idiots what happened since it aired.
You fucking idiot, the unexplained like how Mirai came back, or Akihiro's past that could have been explored, the villains ties to the story, Miroku and Izumi having Youmu inside of them which did not make sense especially Miroku trying kill everyone with Kyoukai no Kanata. This was bullshit. No development beforehand.
>Sure, if you weren't paying attention.
Oh I was paying attention alright, how did she survive? Why was she brought back with the power of memories and wishing that is complete horseshit, or the fact that her memories are gone for whatever reason just to add to the drama.
Also, I am not that anon who spoke about choreography as it is dance routine.
>>141245080
Literally 2deep4you.
