Redpill me on Urobutcher. he's a genius or a hacker?
He is an edgy author that sometimes makes good stuff and sometimes doesn't.
He's good when someone is there to keep his edginess in check.
>>141148712
I believe Urobuchi is an optimist BECAUSE he knows and accepts reality’s cruelness. Which is something I can and even want to identify with. To me, Urobuchi's style of optimism seems like the only kind with real weight to it – optimism in spite of realism, in spite of accepting and never turning away from the harshness of the world. He accepts the cold realities of these places, but his faith in people is stronger for it.
>Redpill
>>>/pol/
>>141148712
I really love Madoka.
Everything else he's put his name to has been a horrible disappointment.
>>141148712
Just read saya no uta.
Why do underage plebeians love to swallow this guy's shit?
According to his Wikipedia page:
>He is known for his dark style, nihilistic themes, and tragic plot twists, earning him the fan nickname "Urobutcher."
Literally Intelligent, Nihilistic, and with a wicked sense of humor.
Let's take a look at his most popular works:
>Madoka
"deep" moeshit. This anime would appeal to those still in highschool (perhaps ones who are struggling to keep up their English grades - Shakespeare is too hard to understand right?). The same can be said about Serial Experiments Lain but another hack (not Urobuchi) was responsible for that.
>Fate/Zero
The modern Naruto and Bleach combined into one.
>Aldnoah.Zero
One of the worst mecha shows of recent times and all time. There's a reason us from /m/ say "stick to A/Z".
>muh light novels
Read a real book nigger.
Anybody who likes an Urobuchi show has clearly seen less than 20 series, all of which were made after 2000.
>>141148854
Psycho Pass is a great work. Fate/Zero can be hard to enjoy if you aren't familiar with the visual novel though.
>>141148712
He will make the Philippines great again.
>>141148895
>moeshit
I don't think you know what that word means.
>>141148905
Psycho Pass didn't draw me in. I liked the Fate/Stay Night VN up until Heaven's Feel, but I can't take it seriously, which is why Fate/Zero fell completely flat for me.
But there's the other ones. Gargantia. Aldnoah Zero. That tabletop thing nobody remembers. Absolute trainwrecks. The only defense is that Urobochi isn't credited as an episode script writer on most of the series, but his name's still plastered all over them.
>>141148895
>Read a real book nigger.
Have you fucking seen what they sell nowadays? The average book today is fanfiction tier and back in the old days it wasn't much better either because stuff like Bear got printed and lauded as great literature.
I generally like Urobuchi, but sometimes he just goes full teleports behind you.
>Emiya Kiritsugu’s right hand continued its work of writing while his left hand mechanically shoveled his nutrition – hamburgers from a fast food restaurant he bought while investigating – into his mouth. For nine years, Emiya Kiritsugu had eaten at the table of the Einsberns, who were merely a hair removed from royalty themselves. He had grown tired of the cuisine. This fast food, filled with the sense of slaughter, was more suited to his tastes. Being able to eat without interrupting one’s words or thoughts was better than anything, no matter how you looked at it.
>>141148712
Kikougai was fun, beyond that dunno.
du30
>>141149091
Wonder what would happen if they let Uro, Sakurai and Haganeya in the same room and force them to collaborate.
>>141149085
Who said you should read a modern book?
>>141148712
How unusual to see a /v/ /pol/ cross breed. Wait that was 3 yeras ago
>>141149234
No, you won't force me to read Joyce again.
>>141148912
>>141149165communist sympathizer
He rips off Ryuki so I say he's a hack.
>>141149046
He had nothing to do with Aldnoah beyond the first 3 episodes, or Chaos Dragon. And he only did series composition for Gargantia, the actual writing was done by someone else.
>>141149046
Why can't you take Bleach/stay night seriously?
He's no Nasu, that's for gosh darned sure!
>>141148712
>Madoka
9/10
>Fate/Zero
7/10
>Psycho-Pass
6/10
>Expelled From Paradise
6/10
>>141149425
Probably because he doesn't want to make the effort to understand complex stories and ideas. It would also explain not being drawn in by a compelling anti-dystopian fiction like Psycho Pass.
>>141149482
Fate/stay night =/= complex
>>141149540
What's the point of this post other than showing me your tumblr gif?
>>141149533
Kamen rider is a shitty rubber monster of the week kids show
Madoka is actually good
>>141148895
>This anime would appeal to those still in highschool (perhaps ones who are struggling to keep up their English grades - Shakespeare is too hard to understand right
I have a degree in English literature (my thesis was on Shakespeare) from a top 10 college and I like Madoka.
>>141149046
I wish a long and painful death upon whoever adapted Red Dragon. Readng the transcripts was an absolute blast and a top tier /tg/ experience. Nasu roleplaying a lazy ass to let those two newbies get the spotlight, Uro going full nothing personnel on everyone, Narita just having a giggle. Then Chaos Dragon takes everything good about the original and either cuts it or butchers it into shit.
>>141149674
>responding to pasta seriously
No fucking shit, anyone with an actual background in literature can recognize how technically strong Urobuchi's writing is.
>>141149742
To be honest, all I learned about in school was Marxism, Freudianism, feminism, post-colonialism and ecocriticism.
>>141149742
How strong is Urobuchi's writing?
>>141149786
Gen Urobuchi is probably one of, if not the best writer in the industry today. I think the problem a lot of people have with Urobuchi is that he writes like he's in a totally different industry. Urobuchi is a storyteller in the classical sense, and he writes anime like a novelist, or a playwright. Urobuchi writes stories that attack big ideas and build complex systems. Urobuchi writes sweeping classical tales about the tragedy of human nature.
He's often accused of using characters as philosophical mouthpieces, and that's not entirely inaccurate, but that also gives his stories a fundamentally profound insight. He doesn't write about clashes of good and evil, he writes about clashes of ideology. Characters in Urobuchi stories often seem like pieces on a chess board because their rigid ideals have doomed them in the eyes of the narrative. They are performers cursed to act out their own tragic scripts.
As far as I'm concerned, "Urobuchi doesn't write good characters" is basically the same as saying "Urobuchi doesn't write funny jokes". Of course he doesn't, he's not a comedian. Urobuchi doesn't write bad characters per se, he just writes stories that aren't necessarily about characters. He writes about people as a pluralism, using individuals as a vantage point. .
>>141149091
>this fast food, filled with the sense of slaughter
>>141148895
To be fair, Uro only engineered first few episode of A/Z, then Boku no Pico guy took the script over.
>>141148712
Urobuchi and /pol/ are both shit.
>>141148712
A genius hack
>>141149425
Because it's goofy as shit. At the end of the day, it's about a high school student who summons King Arthur (who is a girl) and they power up by fucking. Just think about how that first threesome scene in the Fate route goes down.
I enjoyed it well enough because it does move along and has some fun ideas, but all of the expositions dumps in the world could not make me take the setting seriously.
>>141148712
Kikokugai and Saya no Uta are great and the best things he's written with Kikokugai being his magnum opus.
He is another no name forced in /a/
>>141148712
>redpill
>>141150154
>Just think about how that first threesome scene in the Fate route goes down.
Describe it to us in vivid detail.
>>141150240
Rin Tohsaka discovers her bisexuality thanks to King Arthur's vagina.
>>141148895
>moeshit
Kill yourself.
>>141149482
Please let this be bait
>>141149633
Ultimately, what made Madoka good was its plot borrowed from Ryuki. Slap a few cute girls and it'll sell.
>>141149204
I'm surprised that Haganeya and Sakurai haven't already collaborated already.
Then again,it's hard to collaborate with yourself.
>>141149786
>>141149863
Stop samefagging with your pasta and go back to >>>/reddit/
>>141150549
All I asked was why his writing is strong
>>141150154
Sex scenes are non-canon. Also, Nasu didn't invent exchange of bodily fluids for magic yadda yadda, it's been a fictional concept for centuries.
>>141150366
You know it to be true.
>>141150681
Weren't the porn scenes replaced with lore scenes?
>>141148858
Saya no uta is average
He's a mediocre writer with grandiose ideas who fails to think through the details of the worlds he creates and tries to use excessive gore to cover up plot holes.
Weirdly, it seems to work. So many people lap up even his most pretentious drivel. Even supposed 'seasoned critics' completely ate up the first season of Psycho Pass, despite it having one of the most poorly conceived and inconsistent settings imaginable.
>>141150602
That's just part of the /a/Thread bingo, don't take it too seriously
>>141148712
He's misunderstood because most people only know his anime work and not his LN/VN works so they get a skewed perception of him.
He's never written straight up bad LN/VN, at worst mediocre.
Know this isn't really the thread for it, but what Lovecraft creature do people continuously compare Saya too, I keep forgetting.
>>141150741
>plot holes
>pretending to know anything about writing
lol
>>141148813
Underrated post. Urobochi writes a lot of edge but when all the pretense is taken away, a lot of his stories tend to have an optimistic streak to them.
>>141149480
Can we talk about what makes Madoka so good? Because I thought the TV series was brilliant because of the writing, but then Rebellion is made entirely by how amazing the visuals and music are. I can't imagine a script having a scene where Clara dolls are throwing tomatos at Homura or a throwback to the recap movie's opening to represent her cognitive dissonance. It seems way too abstract and complicated.
>>141150741
There's too many buzzwords here for this to not be pasta.
>>141148712
I like Gen but I despise Fate Zero, I think the influx of retards killed it for me. I should really get around to reading Kikokugai and Saya soon.
>>141150860
Shoggoth.
>>141150861
>plot holes
>pretending to know anything about writing
>lol
Do you fail to understand metaphor? You're failing to communicate what you found funny.
>>141150975
you'll understand when you grow up, take a literature class, and stop watching thatanimesnob
>>141150860
Shoggoth.
That said, Blasters confirms that Saya's race is miraculously a lower lifeform than that.
Imagine. Being lower than a Shoggoth.
>>141150938
Why do you hate Fate Zero?
>>141149091
Our hero the god writer of anime. Some kind of standards
>>141150154
Something something and that's why it's the estimate show ever
>>141150938
>I think the influx of retards killed it for me
>letting the fandom kill your interest in a series
Honestly, in every interview of Urobuchi I read he's a really well-adjusted man with interesting opinions.
>>141148742
/thread
>>141151182
You do know that's over a decade old right?
>>141149677
Where'd you read the transcripts?
>>141149533
He forgot to make an actual sympathetic MC that's more than a bland cutout.Fixed that in Gaim though
>>141150970
Thank you.
>>141151031
>That said, Blasters confirms that Saya's race is miraculously a lower lifeform than that.
Mind spoonfeeding me a bit more, who or what is Blasters.
>>141150932
>There's too many buzzwords here for this to not be pasta.
I was seriously just writing my honest opinion. I don't think he's a terrible writer, but his love of plot twists and convoluted settings gives him a serious weakness when it comes to writing internally consistent plots. Psycho Pass was the worst offender of this in my eyes, as he failed to contrive scenarios that presented real ethical dilemmas which dealt with the role of automation in policing and instead gave us fake 'dilemmas' which could have easily been resolved in a plethora of simple ways.
I think the fact that it was very well directed and had a great aesthetic probably allowed a lot of people to overlook those problems in the writing.
>>141151015
>you'll understand when you grow up, take a literature class, and stop watching thatanimesnob
Ironically, I did take English literature classes in school and I don't watch whoever that is.
>>141151283
>who or what is Blasters.
The recent fighting game I believe, Nitroplus Blasters.
>>141151031
How, shoggoths are fucking blobs, how do you rank lower than tekeli-kun
>>141151242
There was an interview two or three years back with Urobuchi in which he talked about how his writing was influenced by some kind of unrequited love he had, which ended with the girl choosing a different man over him.
Or something like that. I've been searching for it for a while, but I just can't find it anymore.
>>141148712
Still better than Okada
>>141151342
I only read his interviews concerning Kamen Rider personally, and I liked his idea of necessary "poison" in fiction.
>>141151343
That's not exactly a high bar.
>>141151283
Nitro+ Blasters is a crossover fighting game with Nitro+ properties and some other tangentially related properties like Fate.Essentially, the world in Blasters is a conglomerate of different worlds and the girls fight along the way to go back to their home.
The reason why the world is the way it is in Blasters is Demonbane killed Azathoth and fucked everything up, and Yoguruma Mugen (who is Yog-Sothoth) combines the pieces of the shattered universes into a shitty lil' patchwork universe in part of her plan to have Azathoth be reborn. The reason everything didn't poof in an instant is because Mugen made the instant stretch for an eternity. It's also all canon.
>>141150741
>tries to use excessive gore to cover up plot holes
>using gore
>to cover up plot holes
I don't think you understand what the phrase means, anon.
>>141151491
And i thought demonbane couldn't get more retarded
>>141151499
What would be a situation in which gore could cover up a plot hole? Shit's like a riddle to me right now.
>>141151539
It was certainly out of left field, though.
I was not expecting Blasters to be a prequel to D.Y.N. Freaks.
>>141151499
>tries to use excessive gore to cover up plot holes
To metaphorically cover them up. I'm sure you know what a metaphor is: his use of excessive gore distracts viewers from plot holes in his narrative.
It sounds incorrect at a quick glance, but it's a perfectly reasonable sentence. So was that mixing of metaphors I just did then too.
>>141151342
I've read every interview of him I could find and I don't remember that. His major influences are Stephen king (the name Gen urobuchi is inspired by one of his novels), SF writers like Gibson and Chinese shit, he was so into chinese shit he used to wear something like a Changshan to college.
>>141151594
>So was that mixing of metaphors I just did then too.
Don't tip your fedora too hard there.
Is Kureshima Mitsuzane the pinnacle of Urobuchi's writing?
>>141148712
so hows his chink wuxia live action puppet show going OP?
>>141151643
There was a string of three or four threads when the interview first came out, but with the archives being what they are right now, searching for it through Fireden is an impossibility.
>>141151651
>Don't tip your fedora
I was just having harmless fun with words, don't label me as one of those freaks.
>>141149633
>disliking based kamen rider
Pls kill yourself
>>141149091
>filled with the sense of slaughter
Remove this line and it's pretty much fine.
It says something decent about his character in a way. He's not meant to be stuffed up in ritzy German castles eating gourmet and figuring out which fork to use. He spent his life being a mercenary.
>>141151652
The way his character arc ended was ridiculous. Kouta's a fucking idiot.
>>141149091
What would you do if Kerry tried to steal one of your curly fries?
>>141150741
I did find the premise of Psycho-pass so absurd I didn't finish more than 3 episodes.
>>141151881
>I did find the premise of Psycho-pass so absurd
Basically you can't even into generic soft sci-fi.
http://tsukikan.com/misc/talk-nasu-kinoko-x-urobuchi-gen.html
>>141151924
I ship these two harder than you will ever know.
>>141149677
>Nasu roleplaying a lazy ass
Yes """roleplaying"""
>>141151959
Nasu would never cheat on Takeuchi.
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>>141149677
It was still more fun than Overlord.
>>141150681
>Sex scenes are non-canon.
The original work is the original work. Nasu can't erase history, and I know he wants to.
>>141151881
>I did find the premise of Psycho-pass so absurd I didn't finish more than 3 episodes.
I know what you mean. It's sybil that ruined it for me. There's simply no world in which sybil could have been constructed where it wouldn't have been renovated to the point where the events in episode 1 simply couldn't have happened. Perhaps even more offensive is that no-one on that supposedly intelligent squadron were capable of thinking up simple fixes to Sybil themselves.
Examples of why Sybil is shit that any sane engineer would have easily been able to fix:
>crime coefficient is a single variable instead of at least 2-4 separate ones for things like 'type of crime the target has a propensity towards (i.e. violent/non-violent)' 'distance from potential victims', 'distance from available police', etc.
>can't measure someone's crime coefficient without pointing a lethal weapon at them
>crime coefficient incapable of distinguishing between a perpetrator and a 'victim in fight/flight mode'
>>141152037
Ok. The argument that they're bad on a conceptual level still doesn't hold up, though. And claiming that the VN is "about" Shirou having sex is hilarious
>>141149677
Cry more. Red Dragon transcripts were piss poor and showed that Gen was doing his best to fuck with the GM and not being serious at all.
This is what happens when you have otakushit hack writers playing a game together.
At least Record of Lodoos War had actual Japanese sci-fi writers playing D&D together.
>>141152121
>Examples of why Sybil is shit that any sane engineer would have easily been able to fix:
I think you're slightly exaggerating here but your point is correct.
>>141152121
Have you watched the series? Literally the entire point of Sybil is how flawed and fucked up it is (both practically andin actuality) while everyone thinks it's fine. The entire premise of Psycho-Pass basically utopian/dystopian future 101.
![[Eclipse] Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood - 37 (1280x720 h264) [E4779724].mkv_snapshot_04.07_[2011.09.01_10.34.06].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/cmwjO6K.jpg "[Eclipse] Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood - 37 (1280x720 h264) [E4779724].mkv_snapshot_04.07_[2011.09.01_10.34.06].jpg")
>>141148712
He actually understands concepts like themes and narrative coherence unlike the vast majority of his fellow "writers". He still couldn't write something good to save his own life, be subtle or not repeat the same old shit endlessly, so it's quite a faint praise that he is better than your average LN author but there you have it.
>>141152126
The sex scenes are bad though, it's blatant fanservice, and while the novel is not "about" Shirou having sex, it does showcase that Nasu didn't take the VN super seriously. Hardcore fans make F/SN out to be some sort of magnum opus, as though Nasu has been working on it for 10 years and it's completely polished with no unnecessary parts.
>>141148742
>He is an edgy author that sometimes makes good stuff and often doesn't.
There we go.
>>141148803
Yeah, this. With someone to hold the reins on the UroButcher and only let it slip once around the middle of the show, it can go great.
>>141151913
I like sci-fi in general, but I just couldn't somehow square concept of people being potentionally dangerous. I just couldn't make any sense of it and its implementation and imagine it being realistic within the universe.
It's not just adding a simple concept like "there is some element that gives infinite energy", sure it'd be unrealistic, but I can take it aboard, just as long as it is being implemented properly.
But in the Psychopass it seemed like he wasn't making people really different from reality and I just cannot imagine such a concept being realistically applied. It just didn't make any sense and was coming from perspective that made it seem like a pure dribble.
Maybe it'd come clearer evetually, but I had beyond low hopes of that happening.
>>141150926
>Can we talk about what makes Madoka so good?
Shock value, yuri, and SUFFERING.
>>141152251
I don't consider people in a romantic relationship having sex to be fanservice. It's something people in relationships do. Maybe you've been conditioned by anime and manga to think "anything sexual = fanservice"
It's definitely not a perfect work, though.
>>141152221
>Literally the entire point of Sybil is how flawed and fucked up it is
The point was supposed to be that Sybil was flawed on some sort of deep philosophical level, but the problem is that it's also broken in terms of the sort of design elements which shouldn't be a problem to fix very cheaply and within a matter of days, and which any major project team wouldn't have overlooked.
>>141152360
>I don't consider people in a romantic relationship having sex to be fanservice. It's something people in relationships do.
I would be ok with this if the sex scenes in F/SN weren't so hamfisted and telegraph. It was literally [insert h-scene here], it was a calculated move and as a reader I don't like seeing the calculation, I want it cleverly hidden away from me. Had it been more natural I would be fine with it.
>>141148712
You know what, Urobuchi kind of reminds me of Yoko Taro, but less...
Less...
Less "earnest", I guess. Dearest Taro can write some shock value schlock for sure, but a lot of the time his fascination with violence/ill intentions comes from how much he doesn't understand it but wants to.
Urobuchi, with much (but not all) of his work, seems to want to push "suffering, suffering, suffering" almost like that's all he's good for. It gets on my nerves such that I really don't respect him as an author. I don't hate everything he does or has worked on, but I sure don't like a lot of it.
>>141152420
I agree, I just thought you were saying the very idea of people having sex is bad. Tsukihime had more tastefully handled sex scenes.
>>141152153
The same sci-fi writers that didn't give a shit about when one of them died in the campaign and looted their corpse asap?
>>141152331
It's very unrealistic yes, but the actual world of Psycho-Pass plays more like a screwed up would-be utopian society until the series gets into why it's flawed and what (literally) makes it tick. Funnily enough, the series makes a small point abouthow this system isn't something global but only isolated in Japan, to the point of brainwashing its citizens to think it's the "right" answer to crime.
>>141148905
>Psycho Pass is a great work
You're a complete moron. Psycho Pass is terrible, and it's the definition of creating an edgy world with no substance whatsoever.
>>141152470
I should've said I'm not the guy you originally responded to.
>>141152470
Why do people say Tsukihime is better than FSN?
>>141152504
Huh? Sybil was a pretty direct argument against the cruelty of utilitarianism. How you could interpret it as "edgy", "without substance", is beyond me.
>>141152375
Not saying that it excuses the premise or anything, but the series does go through some lengths to show that the citizens in the world of Psycho-Pass are damn-near brainwashed that the Sybil system is perfect.
>>141152581
>Sybil was a pretty direct argument against the cruelty of utilitarianism
This is exactly why it's shallow you stupid idiot. This is all the story is and you pseudo philosophers eat it up because there's a grain of symbolism.
>>141152422
>urobuchi loves suffering meme
>>141148813
As far as Psycho Pass goes, the show is an attempt to create a second Ghost in the Shell, where every dialogue is supposed to address some really heavy existentialism issues, but the result is definitely weaker and sillier. The GitS cast was all mature and cynical, while the Psycho-pass one is a bunch of psychopaths and girl scouts, too emotional or acting in a way that is highly unfit to their age or line of work.
There is no room for the characters to be anything more than caricatures for the same reason. The criminal cases are stand-alones, so they leave no room to develop a character or theme before they are thrown to the side. You are not supposed to get a clear answer to the moral questions, or even a rightful catharsis to the characters. You are supposed to feel shocked with all that and start thinking yourself where will all that lead. Meaning, it’s the usual Uroboshi style of mentioning something but never elaborating, as means to get an emotional and mental reaction. It’s just cheap and leaves no room for characterization. And it is not even presented so well, since eventually there are several plot holes in the core rules of the show.
>>141152699
It's not a meme, its in too much of what he does to ignore it (not all, sure, but a lot).
You realize there are just writers like that, right?
>>141152693
>there's a grain of symbolism
>grain
Psycho Pass's setting is the future, when technology can now measure a person’s stress levels as means to estimate if it’s unstable and violent. Basically you get this numeric scale, if you pass the safety limit you need medical treatment, and if you refuse it or get to danger zones, they send people after you to capture or kill you. The police are using such people with high numbers in their missions, as means to fight fire with fire. And said people are armed with specially designed guns that measure the target and decide the proper course of action. It sure has some very interesting themes regarding morality in it. Here are some I have pinpointed.
- Is it ok to treat someone as a criminal without having committed a crime, just because his “soul” reads negative?
- Is it ok to shoot at people just because you are ordered to?
- Won’t a criminal be pushed into doing far more violent actions if he is told he can’t be treated as a citizen anymore?
- Is it ok to treat other people in an inhumane way, as long as you manage to keep your head cool?
- Does life have any significance if it’s devoid of pain and suffering?
And that is pretty much all there is to it. It addresses all its themes in a superficial and pretentious way. Although it does manage to make you wonder a lot about them, it is otherwise not doing anything besides scratching the surface and trying to scare you with gore and mystery.
The setting is dystopian, so nothing is really rosy in it. The society depicted in the show is messed up and the security system is all full of loop holes and things that make no sense. Basically, you see lots of neat stuff regarding “how they work” but very little regarding “why they are as such”. And that is why I never liked Urobucher’s plot-driven/shock factor overflow stories. Everything may sound nice on paper and shinny on screen but when you try to analyze them, they are all confusing and contradictory.
They are never elaborated past the obvious, since as soon as one case is over, so are its themes. I especially don’t like how he never gives free will to his characters and strives mostly to manipulate the emotions of the superficial viewers instead of elaborating upon his concepts. The result is a show full of annoyance and derp moments for not having characters with an actual opinion of the world they are living in. What follows is an analysis of all the interesting stuff you can find in this show and how they fare when analyzed.
1) Concept: The police are using criminals to capture other criminals. They don’t want the police officers to experience too much stress that will raise them to dangerous levels. But it’s ok to use those that have already crossed the limit, since there is no salvation for them. Technically, the police is fighting fire with fire by letting someone else to lit the fuse, not risking to think or act like those that it tries to lock away.
Analysis: That is a bit silly of course, since the criminals are unstable to be considered trustworthy, forced like slaves to capture others like them. Plus it is stressful to have police officers LOOKING at these atrocious crimes, even if they don’t need to personally press the trigger against the criminals. In fact some of them end up becoming criminals because of that. One could say that the present police force is not any better, as many police officers are corrupt or become too violent because of their jobs, and there are many cases where they use criminals in order to uncover and arrest other criminals. The investigators of the show are not a better variant, just a different one.
>>141152693
>This is exactly why it's shallow
Nah. It's a decently ambitious and sharp social commentary. Not Urobuchi's best work, but that's a high bar.
>>141152737
He writes about people suffering and maintaining hope in spite of that suffering. That's called optimism, not cynicism or "edginess". Remember how Madoka ended with her making a positive change through hope? How Kiritsugu found happiness in saving a single life despite ending hundreds?
>>141152780
>Nah
Thank you for confirming your idiocy. Discarded.
2) Concept: New police officers are completely oblivious to what they are supposed to do. They don’t even know how to hold a gun.
Analysis: A rookie that doesn’t even know the fundamentals is bound to cause more trouble than help in a job that required a lot of cunningness and readiness. But that is the thing with the society of the series; it doesn’t really prepare you for violence since it keeps its citizens in complete bliss, as means to protect their sanity. Most of them don’t even recognize a crime even when they see it happening. Police officers are just observers; it is the criminal executioners who are supposed to do all the work, like profiling each case or shooting. The police officers are of course still exposed to violence and death but supposed they are kept safe if they do close to nothing. In fact, even when they need to shoot, they first need to get authorization from the computer that controls their society. This way they don’t even need to feel stress for if the criminal deserves to be shot or even killed. They obey without having to worry about making the wrong decision. Even so, there are cases where the computer made mistakes in its evaluation; thus even the whole concept of a computer helping you becomes pointless. It is not better to our system, just different.
3) Concept: The educational system of such a society is useless outside of academics and theoretical knowledge. It is hard to be so advanced in the first place, if its citizens are incapable of doing anything after they graduate.
Analysis: Machines are supposed to do all the actual labour and dangerous parts in any profession, leaving the human factor as an observer who just presses buttons. This is why everybody acts in a very simple way, like they are mentally challenged. It is not better to our system, just different. This is even used in a smart way for narrative purposes, as the heroine is so oblivious; the others need to explain the tiniest detail to her.
Are those MAL reviews?
>>141152793
Thank you for confirming your inability to form a coherent argument without the use of ad hominem. Discarded.
Indirectly this expands to the audience and thus we get a sort of excused infodump about everything that is going on.
4) Concept: The heroine decided to be a police officer even when she could have become anything else she liked. Her mental stability, combined with her will to help her society and learn more about how it works fundamentally made her the ideal candidate.
Analysis: Well, that is sort of weak, since she literally acts like a scared girl scout amongst ruthless murderers and rapists. We never get any more reasoning than “Well I want to help my society so I might as well expose myself to violence and death.” In our society, nobody would agree to that if he wasn’t in for the money or the action. The nihilistic way of life in the series just leaves this to be sort of like deciding to become a criminal hunter instead of a florist just because your brain can take the heat. Where is the motivation in that? Nowhere.
Now if you ask me, is there really something wrong in this sort of a concept, when to the most part it is so well presented and excused to the most part? Well, the most basic problem it has is the same most dystopian stories have. Instead of being presented as a society that is different to our own but still viable, it is presented as a fake paradise that ends up being worse than our own. They are presented as if their systems of government are pure evil or amoral to the point they become hated from the average person of today. The ones that manage to get over this snag are those that manage to excuse themselves as being grey (not good or evil) or at least trying to maintain their control even after their usage is over (clinging to the past out of fear of change). Anime like Ghost in the Shell and Shinsekai Yori manage to succeed at that, Psycho-pass doesn’t; it feels so evil and non-viable it becomes loathed very fast.
>>141152824
>inability to form a coherent argument
That's exactly what you did in your previous post >>141152780 , idiot.
>>141148813
Frankly, that just seems like your colorful interpretation to me.
In my eyes he seems much more cynical. Like, two examples off the top of my head: in Saya no Uta Saya screws with a guy's head to make him perceive things like the MC and he goes and rapes her because she's the first normal thing he's seen. Of course, you could argue he was just cuhraaazy but why immediately go for rape? That's not realistic and is in no way optimistic. It's much more likely a man in that position would NOT decide to rape the one normal thing he can find.
Or you can look at Madoka overall, in which I personally think many characters make bumfuck retarded decisions that I could really just call contrivance for the sake of making the story darker, like setting Homura down a dark path or having Sayaka murder those guys on a train. This is again working from a place where you could say "it's [x], so who cares" (where here "x" is "despair" instead of madness) but this is also a series where the main character is so powerfully saintly and loving she becomes a god figure. Why is it so harshly divided on how the magical girls act?
That said, I actually like both of these things the most out of Urobuchi's portfolio.
Anyway, it doesn't seem optimistic, it seems bleak and stupid.
>>141152750
>- Is it ok to treat someone as a criminal without having committed a crime, just because his “soul” reads negative?
>- Is it ok to shoot at people just because you are ordered to?
>- Won’t a criminal be pushed into doing far more violent actions if he is told he can’t be treated as a citizen anymore?
>- Is it ok to treat other people in an inhumane way, as long as you manage to keep your head cool?
>- Does life have any significance if it’s devoid of pain and suffering?
I can instantly answer all of those questions lmao. Is this pasta?
>>141152825
Especially after they reveal what the Sybil system really is and how it works; it is making you think the leaders of this society are all devilish pedophiles who drink the blood of the dead and kick puppies when bored. And then they expect you to believe it is a system that works purely on rationality and that it was established with little to no problem. This also becomes evident when you realize how each case the characters face is a crime based on the weaknesses of the system. It is constantly showing us how it DOESN’T work, instead of how it helps its people to live a happy life when it works. It is a sort of a farce, unreal and impossible to appreciate as an alternative lifestyle. They are telling you to hate it on every step of the way and thus make you lose interest in thinking about its possible beneficial aspects.
- Episode 1: If someone is branded as an incurable latent criminal, then he is almost forced into committing actual crimes, since that is the only thing his society will expect from him to do, instead of trying to make use of his talents. Many would rather die than accept to spend a life in isolation, constantly drugged, or working as hounds of other criminals.
- Episodes 3 & 14: The system’s refusal to teach its citizens the concept of crime leads to them not recognizing it or even knowing how to react to it. Some will be literally torturing a weaker person than themselves as means of entertainment or stress relief, and won’t even know that what they are doing is wrong. Others will be looking at a person being beaten to death in the middle of the street and will be unable to understand if they are supposed to call the police or try to stop the crime. And in effect, they are helpless if they are ever the victims of a crime, since nobody will know how to help them.
>>141152870
You're laughably stupid. Come back when you finish 7th grade reading comprehension.
>lmao
Actually, never come back. An idiot like you will never change.
- Episodes 1, 3, & 15: The victims of any crime are usually not treated with care but as criminals themselves. The terror, or pain, or hopelessness, will usually increase their crime rates to dangerous levels, turning them to latent criminals or even actual criminals for things that they never intended. The system treats you nicely only as long as your mental health is ok; if you snap you will be branded as a scum of society for the rest of your life, even if you didn’t cause the initial snapping.
- Episodes 3, 4, & 11: The only way for you to be branded as a criminal is to have a high crime potential score. That indirectly means that you can say or do any horrible things you like, as long as it doesn’t show on specs. If you don’t know that what you are doing is a crime or believe that what you are doing is right, then you are not a criminal. For example if a group of people torture an innocent co-worker just for the sake of steaming out their stress from work, this is not a crime. But if said co-worker fights back in desperation, then he will be arrested and treated as a criminal for crossing the line. Something which of course wouldn’t have happened if he wasn’t mistreated in the first place. There are no means to punish those who indirectly push others to the danger zone, or even to excuse the victims of misuse and don’t place them on the same level as other criminals.
- Episodes 3, 6, 10 & 15: There are supposed to be scanners and droids in every street of the city, measuring the population for possible high crime rates. Yet there is actually very little monitoring done, to the point it is extremely easy to do a crime and move around unnoticed. For a system that is based on making everything measurable and controllable, it is doing a very crappy job. In effect, it doesn’t really matter what kind of a system of justice this show has; it all comes down to failing for not having complete surveillance of the city.
He's apretty goodwriter that's gotten maybe a little too obsessed with utilitarianism in recent years.
Actually in general, thematically-speaking he's starting to become something of a broken record. But for whatever reason, I love his stuff regardless.
>>141152815
Doesn't look like an ANN NICK CREAMER review to me
>>141152920
Does having a well developed moral framework that allows me to answer ethical questions make me stupid? None of those themes are deep or worth exploring as far as I can tell. Did you get triggered by my sick emoticon? kek.
Just imagine how much better it would be if every person had a GPS implant in his body or there were scanners in every house. And yes, it would happen without anyone complaining about personal life; since they are all midless sheep who believe everything they are told. They agreed to create a society where they are treated as morons, they will agree to have no personal space too. The funny part is that the same studio had created Loups=Garous back in 2010, which had the EXACT surveillance system I describe and also shared many similarities regarding a highly monitored world ruled by assholes.
- Episode 6 has a murderer that is killing someone every few days. Nothing is leaked to the population, since this way it keeps everyone happy in his bliss, while people continue to get murdered. So once again, the system is trying to work by not working.
- Episodes 6 & 10: They pretty much tell us how too much safety and bliss turns life meaningless and the only way to feel alive is to start killing others for the excitement. So much for a peaceful way of living.
- Episode 11: There is a man whose crime levels are low no matter what he does. He is supposed to judge the system and even to seek its destruction but in effect he is one big asspull, since he can do anything he likes by magically not being subjected to the universal laws of the show. He is supposed to be the cruel but true voice of reason in the show but it is kind of pointless to hear “drugs are bad” from someone who is immune to a mountain of dope. It’s like that asshole Touma in Index, who has the liberty to throw around morality speeches and hoard all the chicks, just because he is the only one who can cancel out any superpower. No shit smarty pants, I can too challenge the universe if I can defy gravity or friction. Also, despite the attempt to make all cases to have a connection thanks to this ringleader, they still are pointless in the longrun.
>>141152780
That doesn't make for "optimism".
That's called at best a silver lining. People have still suffered and died and in many cases why these dark events have come to pass does not seem like a realistic conclusion to a flow of events, but a simple case of "the writer made it so".
Madoka was a good person, but all the other magical girls were driven to despair (most absurd of which were Sayaka and Kyouko, in my opinion). Kyouko actually tries to become a good person herself in the original series, but this is AFTER she's been royally fucking horrible. Her reason? Sayaka resonated with her or something. I don't see the optimism, here, let alone the realism.
This is why I say Urobuchi lacks an earnest quality to him. To me it doesn't feel like he's writing what he's writing because that is, of course, how the story goes and he has something he really wants to convey. Instead, he may have something to convey in mind, but often its hidden within a mire of grimderp.
>>141152979
As everyone can see, Urobuchifags tend to be like this idiot; crossboarders who bring their cancerous dialect along with their general stupidity.
You see, he wants to destroy the status quo by handing over helmets to average civilians that trick crime score scouters. If that was his plan, then he didn’t need those one-episode villains to begin with. Or skip that; he just needed to go to the food refinery and blow it up. Any reason he didn’t do that since episode 1? Of course and there is; you wouldn’t be bombarded with shallow morality and pretentious quoting ala Uroboshi style if the characters in this show weren’t plot devises and had common sense.
- Episode 17: The Sybil system is run by amoral assholes with a God complex. Because what better candidates can there be for monitoring humanity than those who don’t consider themselves human anymore? It makes no sense as you can easily realize. How can you understand the needs of everyday people if you consider yourself a superior being who has no qualms to kill a few thousand for management issues? It’s like telling a nuclear physicist to become a manager of a football team.
Another grip I have with the show is how they are using those fancy guns. It is pretty clear from the numeric value what they have to do instead of waiting several seconds for the computer in the guns to explain the obvious and unlock the safety trigger. If the criminal is running away or is attacking them, this proves highly impractical and problematic. Of course, the truth is the criminals mysteriously stand still for several minutes while the gun is talking, so there is still plenty of time to shoot them. This lazy cop-out solution to the above problem kind of ruins the whole point of the gun talking in the first place and in turn trashes the plausibility of the whole series.
As the show goes on, you keep realizing more things that are wrong with it, such as the investigators doing some spying-around for suspicious-looking people in each case, instead of just scanning them all for high crime levels, thus saving precious time and lives. Or the population acting completely different in some episodes, like they don’t recognize violence when they see it in the middle of the street but otherwise are used to bullying, or being in touch with online anti-government teams, or watch a lot of violent videos on the net. There are many scenes where someone gets shot or a fire breaks out and everybody is very aware of the danger and runs away panicked. That shouldn’t be happening if they were truly ignorant to danger as they want us to believe. There is even a scene where thousands of people went to get helmets with the purpose to kill others and that didn’t show in any street scanner. The show is full of plot holes and inconsistencies such as these.
>>141153023
How am I a Urobuchifag for criticizing Urobutchi? You sure sound like a retarded troll. The post I originally replied to complained that psycho pass didn't adequately explore those themes. I merely pointed out that those "deep philosophical questions" are so rudimentary that they're not worth exploring in the first place.
>cancerous dialect
I have no reason to adapt my posting style for an inferior thinker who unironically confuses style with substance.
>>141153080
>>141153049
>>141153008
>>141152995
DELETE THIS
>>141152866
this is retarded.
The rape thing is because he thinks his whole world is done for.
I guarantee if people thought the earth was gonna blow, there would definitely be a shit ton of rape.
Hell just in haiti there was a ton of rape after the earthquake.
Its almost like you missed the point of the man losing his family and any chance of redemption.
>>141153114
>this idiot is still trying to defend himself
Idiotic pseudo philosophers really are the biggest dumbfucks on this board.
>>141153194
Looks like I successfully defended myself since you have no response.
I don't know anything about the butcher, I just no saya no uta is my favorite vn.
I don't think I've ever sympathized with a rapist/murderer like I did in saya. They did a fantastic job of making you feel the main characters feelings.
>>141153178
The optimistic thing to portray in a time of awful crisis is people coming together, which actually does happen in cases like, say, war torn countries.
Realistically, bad shit happens too, but maybe not in the span of like a fucking HOUR like in SnU. It's also so contrived. Saya just stupidly changes this guy against his will, the guy goes through some wretched shit, she's oh so upset when she gets the rape retribution.
I get that she wanted another person like the MC but christ almighty,
He likes to be edgy sometimes. Kinda like /a/
>>141153222
>Looks like I successfully
Nope. Idiots like you never succeed at anything.
>>141153008
This is a simple case of "I disagree". Urobuchi's stories are optimistic, just a more realistic form of optimism that is rare to find in anime. "Earnest" is exactly how I would describe his work -- he doesn't sugarcoat the fact that the world is a shitty place, but maintains that you should try to keep your head high regardless.
If you're still wondering why Kyouko decided to help Sayaka, it's because she saw herself in her. Kyouko was Sayaka, years back, and this is the reason she decides to help her.
>>141153172
There is nothing good or enlightening about those posts. It's pointless plot nitpicking that would be laughed at in any literary criticism.
>>141153283
I'm not the person you were arguing with, I just saw the rape part and got mad. The rape scenes are my favorite part of the vn and I say that in a non-masturbatory way.
>>141152482
>not looting anything and everything
So you've never played a TTRPG?
>>141148712
So many tints on that shirt.
Someone teach this man how to properly wash black clothes.
>>141153311
>There is nothing good or enlightening about those posts. It's pointless plot nitpicking that would be laughed at in any literary criticism.
>i'm not smart enough to counter argue any of these posts, so i'll just resort to good old ad hominem like the idiot i am
Ok.
>>141153363
It's easier to just buy new ones.
>>141148712
He's a genius hacker, like Kevin Mitnick.
>>141153311
No no.
The world is a shitty place, yes, but I don't think fucking Urobuchi of all people conveys that properly and that is MOSTLY because many of his stories operate within fantasy/sci fi where bad situations are forced to happen or people are made to end up with poor philosophies or wrapped in suffering. The core of Madoka was based on such nonsense of forcing girls into suffering for energy, or whatever. Where does this become realistic? Teenage girls are firecrackers, yes, but they are NOT like the mahou shoujo of madoka.
Fucking CANDIDE is darker, bleaker, more realistic, and hilariously more OPTIMISTIC than anything Gen's written and it's pure satire. Of course it's realistic, too, since it's based on actual fucked up tragedies and happenings from reality while cheekily examining them through the lens of a retarded optimist. Then, at the end of the day, the author asks how one should really view the world in spite of rampant and seemingly baseless/illogical/undeserved tragedies.
>>141153172
>>141153311
salty af
>>141153420
Are you saying bad situations aren't "forced to happen" in the real world?
>>141153478
Not often through means of magical or otherwise fateful circumstance.
Sci Fi is actually a prime realm of fiction to put into perspective issues we face in reality while separating them from reality so we can examine those issues somewhat objectively, but with how Urobuchi gets things done I don't think the situations on display feel very believable in the first place so it immediately doesn't work.
Even Zootopia, of all things, gets this right more than I think Gen ever could. That's a movie that asks some fucked up questions and doesn't come to an outright peaceful and happy solution, but a nonetheless optimistic one in the face of problems like prejudice and folks who perpetuate negative stereotypes of groups.
>>141148712
He wrote Kikokugai so he's alright
>>141151643
Stephen king is a leftist piece of shit. I'm disappointed.
>>141153565
Kikokugai was fine until the last part.HurhuryouthinkhewasthevillainitwasmeDIO
I would disown that kind of sister.
>>141153556
So your issue is that of suspension of disbelief. Fair enough, I can't do much about that. I find his stuff wholly believable and I don't care much for plot-centered stories so Urobuchi's thematic approach works greatly for me.
I'm really not sure where all this criticism of Gen's work comes from.
No, not all of his works are exactly realistic, but I feel that the characters and themes are strong enough for me to care. He may not be the deepest writer, but to me, there is more to his works than just grimdark edginess.
Like, for all the darkness that Madoka, Psycho Pass, and Kamen Rider Gaim contain, they never felt overwhelmingly so.
>>141153630All those people dead because a woman couldn't live without her brother's dick.
Genuine hack writer.
>>141153630
>disown that kind of sister.
She'd probably cut off your legs and arms and imprison you before letting that happen
>>141154827
>implying she could do that to the kungfu expert like MCAt the last point of the series, the MC was pretty much done even with the harsh revelation. His point of revenge was totally gone, when he found out his own sister was the mastermind behind all their misfortunes.Really, fuck the butcher. It could have been a good ending. Not this forced irony
>>141153178
>Hell just in haiti there was a ton of rape after the earthquake.
>Haiti
See, those are niggers. What about the Japan quakes?
>>141152420
Never read Forest. I disliked FSN, but Forest was on a whole differnet level of forced. The worst part is relvent here, and thats the writer was FORCED to add that trash to the VN, becuase people didnt think it would sell without it. FSN could have had a similar issue.
I would given Forest a 10/10 without the sex scenes.
>>141152964
>Actually in general, thematically-speaking he's starting to become something of a broken record.
Writers seem to do this a lot. I loved Ever17, then it was repeated in Remember11. The VLR, now I'm reading Root Double and considering dopping it, as it's giving me severe deja vu.
I get writers have their own views and interests, and want to try and repeat previous success, but repetition is boring. Especially when it's supposed to be a mystery story.
I am sure I will enjoy dissapointment in the next WtC, but I think Umineko deviated a bit from his other stuff. Allthoug Umineko went to shit.
Anyone read RGD? How was it?
He liked G-reco and it made him genki
>>141148742
FPBP
>>141149021
>>141150335
Sounds like you're triggered
>>141151643
If I recall, the interview were in a Madoka Magica magazine.
In the Trio Finale, Gen wrote he dreamt about his unrequited love, so it probably were stated around that time.
>>141154927
What the fuck kind of ending could it have had? We raped your sister and fucked you over because we're the bad guys and have to do bad shit for no reason?
The ending was great and you're a faggot.
>>141149091
Me on the left.
>>141151242
>"Reconguista of G made me genki."
>>141148712
He wrote the best thing to ever come out of or be associated with the Fate franchise.
>>141154927
That ending was perfect, the whole VN is about how destructive love can be and it serves to highlight that.
I am very surprised at your knowledge about Urobuchi's works.
Personally, I'm looking forward to watching Thunderbolt Fantasy 東離劍遊紀 in this summer.
http://www.thunderboltfantasy.com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibkDPXYsMiUI want to read their Chinese comments but I can't. Google Translate is shit.Though I had some idea of what was going on from Chinese Characters.I love Taiwanese.Where can we discussthe puppet show?If it is not a proper subject to bring up in conversation here, will I get banned?
The absolute madman.
>>141152347
Except there's no canonical Yuri in Madoka you fucking faggot.
>>141164922
Why are you even in Urobuchi thread?
>>141164657
This line cracked me up for some reason
>>141157952
>disagrees with me
lmao triggered
>>141149091
literally me
>>141149091
>Could I get a Big Mac with extra sense of slaughter?
>>141164657
Ruili was a horrible person.
>>141148712
Both
>>141151342
He was talking about how he wonders if his former best friend and unrequited love remember him. His writing was largely influenced by long term influenza and being in a state of near death for a few weeks.
He gave me my waifu.
I can do nothing but adore this guy.
![[THISFILEHASNOSUBS] Kamen Rider Ghost - 25 [F4845D0A].mkv_snapshot_01.15_[2016.04.03_11.19.22].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/5O1d2g4.jpg "[THISFILEHASNOSUBS] Kamen Rider Ghost - 25 [F4845D0A].mkv_snapshot_01.15_[2016.04.03_11.19.22].jpg")
You should read his interviews related to Kamen Rider. Really explains some things about how he tackles things.
Part 1: http://pastebin.com/LCRJigxy
Part 2: http://desustorage.org/m/thread/13979001/
>>141169322
dubs confirm
