If it weren't for Index shenanigans this show would have been completely unbearable with all its glaring plotholes.
Who reads these plots and thinks to themselves "ya, looks good". This sort of writing wouldn't satisfy 8 year olds.
TL;DR
Index savior girl thread.
>>140980683
Who the hell is that and what does she have to do with To Aru Majutsu no Index?
>>140980683
>Toaru Majutsu NO Index
>>140980683
Who?
>>140980859
Misaka isn't in it enough to actually save the show.
>>140980683
Who?
>>140981168
>>140980907
>>140980758
Stop being mean.
>>140980683
>>140981232
Anon, I guess you are pretty lucky that they probably won't animate more. Those other anons might be spouting memes, but they have reason to do so.
>>140981232
Is she a new character? This series has enough nuns as it is.
I really want to continue the story after the anime but I just can't stand action LNs.
Why couldn't it be a manga instead?
>>140980683
>If it weren't for punching bitches this show would have been completely unbearable with all its glaring plotholes.
FTFY
>>140981232
>>140980683
Who was this again? I remember seeing her on some chapters before
A country that is supposedly filled with smart people manages to produce and proudly market shit like this, it will never not amaze me.
I'm pretty sure no one watches Raildex for the plot. The best thing to come out of this trainwreck is, in fact, Uiharu.
>>140980683
Who?
>>140982149
Well, imagine a poorly written young adult series in your country getting nice drawings that you can fap to. Imagine Animorphs or Goosebumps characters drawn by Haimura. I'd be on those like mad even if the writing is terrible. Most of the fans don't even care about the story much, I am willing to bet.
>>140981637
The manga adaptation of the LN is about to pass the anime in the next few months, scanlations are a bit behind though. You could also read the Railgun and Accelerator manga.
>>140980683
I still care about you, Index.
You may be a side character in your own anime, but I'll never stop
caring!
>>140982736
>comparing Goosebumps series with this absolute mess.
Just because something is aimed at YA does't mean the writing has to be abysmal. I don't think I have ever seen anything fail at writing quite as hard as this shitty series. Nothing makes sense, for every minute that goes by you can point out at least 10 contradictions or plotholes.
The worst of all being the anime being named Index, the character having all the knowledge in the world, then being told she can in fact use magic, only for the remainder of the series to backpedal on that conclusion with a "lolno, she actually can't and we aren't actually going to make the show about her anymore either".
Other shows get canceled while this gets 2 24 episode shows, 2 24ep spin off shows, 2 movie and half a dozen specials/OVA's.
I AM THIS MAD.
>>140983581
There's enough source material for another 48 episodes AT BARE MINIMUM. The anime hasn't even begun covering the best part of the series.
Touma is not going to get s girl. All ships involving him are delusional. No, Othinusfags, you aren't an exception. Othinus won't win him either. Neither will Mikoto, Misaki, Itsuwa, Himegami, Fukiyose, Seria, Index, Birdway, any body/being associated with the Misaka Network, or any person at all. It's not happening. Go home.
>>140984207
I am under the impression that you think this would somehow be good news to me.
The existing 48eps are pants on heads retarded. The first 3-4 or so episodes set up a premise in which we have science vs magic duking it out over a magical girl who has all the knowledge. Now the premise is shaky to start with, but it is still within the realm of "normal" as far as anime is concerned. from that point on wards though it is just silly, no focus on index whatsoever, no focus on the initial premise whatsoever, instead we get 40+ episodes of a water down battle harem show. I am not even getting anything in return for abandoning my disbelief, no comedy, no ecchi, no "so bad its good" pseudo-intellectualism, nothing.
It is quite possibly the worst anime to have ever been produced.
>>140984447
>no focus on index
Hold it right there Indexfag. Just because your whore doesn't appear anymore doesn't mean it's bad.
>Index thread
>No Biribiri birthday greetings
>>140984447
If you disliked it so much, why watch all of it? Don't get me wrong, I love this series a lot, but don't think I'm going to bother getting defensive. If you disliked it you have no one but yourself to blame for wasting your time not only finishing it but complaining about it.
>>140984517
No one cares
>>140981637
I was reluctant too at first but after reading this volume where everyone gets BTFO I got hooked. Not even Uiharu was spared.
>>140984509
I don't care about Index in particular, I care about the entire premise being abandoned. It is like somebody started telling a story and then halfway chapter 1 decided to pick up a different book instead.
>>140984532
I gave it the benefit of the doubt, I also watched it as it aired so it wasn't really time consuming. furthermore I was expecting/hoping it would "get back on track" at some point.
>>140984623
I do think Index should be more relevant than she is. Not romance or waifu wise. I couldn't give a single fuck about waifu/shipping wars. But Index should be far more involved in the story instead of having irrelevant screen time. Pre NT15 I'd have said the same of Mikoto as well but it looks like she's finally getting something more than "that boy blushu"
Frenda is more relevant than index.
Has the last level five been revealed yet?
>>140984961
Everyone is more relevant than index, index is literally the least important character in the entire show. She could be completely removed from every episode except the first 2 and literally nothing would change plot wise, you can't even prove me wrong on this, because it is literally fact. Nobody is seeking the 100k+books and nobody is using them either, they aren't even used by the author to move the plot forward.
>>140985609
No. But there is a talking scientist dog that smokes cigars, pilots a mecha, and owns dog body pillows.
>>140985613
Index was originally supposed to be a one time thing, he didn't expect to go as far as he did. It explains why she's always in such a small role.
Besides the first 12 or so volumes are pretty much there to build up the world, the real shit begins in volume 13 or for the anime, the academy city invasion arc of index 2. It's why so many people are thirsty for index season 3 despite the first two seasons not being so good.
>>140985999
Ya, I refuse to believe the author is taking this shit seriously, probably just opening a dictionary at random and using whatever word the eye falls onto first as plot element.
>>140984517
Eh it's Biribiri's birthday?
Happy suffering from this volume on I guess.
>>140985609
He is relatively unimportant in the story, so no one cares about him. Even Kamachi doesn't care. Don't hold your breath, he will probably never be revealed because of his lack of importance.
>>140985613
what kind of creators sucks at this?
making the "main character" irrelevant in their own series.
>>140986082
People enjoy this series because of all the wacky and crazy elements he throws in, and it's not bad by any means. It does maintain a level of seriousness. This would probably make sense if you read the LN.
>>140986148
Touma is the main character. Index is just the title character because she was important in the first volume and it would be bad marketing to rename every volume afterwards.
>>140980683
Is this biz/a/rro?
>>140986185
Did you forget the whole fiamma thing?
>>140986400
I didn't say she won't be important ever again. She just isn't a main character in Index.
>>140986175
It isn't the whacky elements that bother me, magic in and of itself is whacky, it is all the inconsistencies.
He foregoes developing the index plotline in favor of developing a "rich world", but then rarely if ever keeps to his own made in-universe rules.
To give you an example, in season one there is that scene where they fight the alchemist. Barcode gets his skin torn from his body, Touma gets his arm lobbed of. Then there is this big reveal moment and barcode appears again, completely fine. Ok, fine, whatever, so it was all mindtrickery and the damage never REALLY happened? Hold on though, that's not true, because Touma is hospitalized for his lobbed of arm. So all the damage done by the alchemist did actually manifest in the physical world for reals. So why is bardcode back to normal? He should be walking around without skin.
It is shit like this multiple times in every fucking episode that grates on me. What in god's name is the point of building a world if that is how you are going to treat it.
>>140984447
>The first 3-4 or so episodes set up a premise in which we have science vs magic duking it out over a magical girl who has all the knowledge.
Ah, I see, so you are retarded. The series was never going to be about Index. Index is only in the title because the Editor wanted it.
>>140983430
>a bit behind
Yeah sure, it's gonna be years til we get to Vento.
>>140986536
>You're retarded for assuming a show is going to be about the person mentioned in the title.
Ya, Harry Potter was a silly title, should have named it Neville Longbottom instead.
>>140986516
Barcode wasn't actually exploded, he just got turned 'expanded' so to speak.
>>140986591
Hermione would be closer. It's the same as Zelda, title doesn't say everything.
>>140984623
>It is like somebody started telling a story and then halfway chapter 1 decided to pick up a different book instead.
Because that what this series is. The first LN was about Index, the next about someone else, the next about Mikoto, the next about something else etc, with some underlying plot loosly connecting them.
>furthermore I was expecting/hoping it would "get back on track" at some point.
The title can be confusing, I give you that, but if you had known it never was going to focus on Index, would you be mad?
>>140986516
Alchemist just imagined Barcode to be fine for a moment out of fear, so he was fine, which just put him in more disarray.
>>140986591
I heard Kamichi originally intended a one-shot, which is why Volume 1 seemed self-contained. He then wanted to name every volume 'A Certain [adj] [name/descriptor]', but then the editors decided it was a shit idea.
>>140986663
No, you can't remove Hermione or Zelda without fucking up the respective plots. Hermione is basically there to move the plot forwards because the protagonist is dumb and J.K. Rowling can't write. Zelda is everything to the game, no Zelda, no game.
However, you can remove Neville Longbottom, you can also remove index, and neither removals would impact anything major in their respective plots.
>>140986131
>relatively unimportant
>Beliving Kamachi's lies.
>>140986131
But his secret identity is his character gimmick.
So uh
Is this an Index thread?
>>140986828
I guess it is.
NT15 full color scans when?
Time to reread the whole index series.
>>140986656
Who cares what you name it? He got turned back to normal after the "big reveal" whereas Touma does not. Makes 0 sense, we aren't even given a "lol magic healing abilities deal with it". In fact it is established in episode 1 that the guy specifically has "lol no healing abilities despite magic deal with it".
>>140986712
Flimsy explanation at best, Touma would have had a dragonbeast arm after the battle if that were the case, yet he did not.
>>140986828
Does Gabriel-chan have a pussy?inb4 pile of salt
>>140986761
Not that anon, but that's it, Hermione is the one who moves the plot forward, yet the title is Harry Potter.
>>140986858
>Touma would have had a dragonbeast arm after the battle if that were the case, yet he did not
Alchemist-kun didn't imagine the Invisible Thing, that's actually sealed in the Imagine Breaker.
>>140986858
>Touma would have had a dragonbeast arm after the battle if that were the case, yet he did not.
He does.
>>140986761
t. anime only fag
I hate to say it myself, but Index does play a relatively huge part in the world. So much, that she's one of the few characters who can impact the whole world and does in the last few volumes of OT.
Hermione is just as much a walking library as Index, except that she can apply her knowledge better. She acts a lot more than Index, but both are main characters nonetheless.
You could say Zelda is only there to give Link a drive to act, much like Peach. In and on herself, she sometimes plays a rather unimportant role and could be replaced with anyone else with the triforce of wisdom.
It's worse than just plotholes, the authors creates his own rules of story telling, he decides how magic works and at the last minute invents a way to counter it, claiming it was intended from the beginning.
To Aru
>written by an autist
TL;DR
Accelerator and Last Order
only reason to watch the show
>>140986858
>Touma would have had a dragonbeast arm after the battle if that were the case, yet he did not.
Actually, he does have a dragon hand.
>>140986858
>Flimsy explanation at best, Touma would have had a dragonbeast arm after the battle if that were the case, yet he did not.
It was made clear in the same episode/volume, that that thing might not have been Izzards imagination but something else.
>>140986929
>implying WORST isn't BEST for Accel
Also, what kind of counters are you talking about? Seems to me he's pretty consistent in how magic works except for whatever the fuck happened with Invisible Thing and Fiamma.
>>140986694
>The title can be confusing, I give you that, but if you had known it never was going to focus on Index, would you be mad?
I would have been less annoyed, but still would have found it a terrible way to start a series. It isn't even that about it switching to other elements/characters in the world. It is about the index plot line never getting resolved. You are made to believe she is the centerpiece, the one element that ties everything in the story together, the hunt for the 103000 occult books. Then it just gets dropped and nobody seems to give a flying fuck about what is supposed to be the most expansive repository of knowledge to have ever existed. It is bad writing.
>>140986828
>secondary thread
Go to the mikoto thread if you wanna talk about stuff.
>>140987014
To be honest she still becomes relevant once in a while, but I'm supposing that by this point, Index's knowledge is far outshone by the Magic Gods.
>>140987034
That one died already.
>>140987034
Which one, the birthday thread? That one is just going to be waifushit
>>140981637
too stupid to read non picture books?
>>140986910
>>140986920
>>140986944
>>140986950
That was the point. Alchi's powers are arbitrary and inconsistent.
>>140986929
>>140987112
What the fuck are you talking about though? Touma literally always had the stupid Dragon it even pops up later like three times and is looking to be a plot point soon.
Alchemist-kun's power is consistently 'if he imagines it then it happens'
>>140986991
>Also, what kind of counters are you talking about?
Pretty much everything.
One of the dumbest things I remember, not really related to magic but rather just general retarded writing, is when beachboy is tracking Oriana with the magic spell and directing barcode and Touma towards her over the phone. Then he gets cut off because, DUNDUNDUN, she has found him and stopped his tracking.
At what point did the author forget that beachboy, the guy who got caught off guard by an attack, was the guy tracking the person who he got caught off guard by. He can literally see that she is coming for him, that was the entire point of his magic spell, yet he still gets caught off guard?
Who comes up with this shit? Author doesn't even try to explain it away with magic, it is just left there as this ugly hole.
>>140987158
Last Order and Worsts feelings are real and pure.
>>140987257
I honestly don't remember Oriana except for being pure sex and probably a porn actress so I have no counter
>>140984447
>Story didn't go as I exptected
>"IT'S FULL OF PLOTHOLES!"
You're not as clever as you seem to think you are.
>>140987257
>At what point did the author forget that beachboy, the guy who got caught off guard by an attack, was the guy tracking the person who he got caught off guard by. He can literally see that she is coming for him, that was the entire point of his magic spell, yet he still gets caught off guard?
At this poit, I think it's a possibility you are baiting. Please don't be a retard.
Only reason I suffered through this was Accelerator and the occasional side character. Touma, Index, and Misaka were just a fucking pain. Touma was the worst of all. Most of the side characters were a pain too, generic moeblob in different costumes, and the plot was all over the place and even without the plotholes it was just shit.
>>140983581
>I don't think I have ever seen anything fail at writing quite as hard as this shitty series.
Thank you.
>Nothing makes sense, for every minute that goes by you can point out at least 10 contradictions or plotholes.
Academy City. Just... the whole thing. All of it.
>>140987163
Barcode turning back to normal because he supposedly still has his power and imagined barcode to be normal again, but the dragonhead not manifesting as an actual physical object onto Touma, instead remianing part of the etaphysical Touma.
Why is Alchemist imaging Barcode back to normal in his fear, but when he sees a dragonarm it doesn't manifest onto Touma as a physical thing? It is inconsistent.
Worst is, you, I and everyone else in this thread know exactly why it was done like this. It was because having barcode explode like that would be cool and add to the drama, but having him stay that way wouldn't, so "lol, writing, deal with it" is what happens.
>>140986694
>with something claiming to be an underlying 'plot' allegedly connecting them.
When the hell is she going to be relevant again?
>>140987421
Because the dragonarm is actually there and is sealed within the fucking Imagine Breaker.
>>140987421
Because he didn't imagine the dragon, it existed outside of his spell.
>>140987332
No, not baiting, what part of my post makes you think that?
The guy is staring at what is basically the equivalent of a minimap in a game, directs his 2 buddies towards the target, but somehow misses the fact that the target is heading straight for his location? Come on buddy, there is suspension of disbelief, then there is a leap of faith, then there is bullshit you are willing to swallow and then there is this.
>>140987360
Liking accelerator is how a lot of people get into the LN, because his role becomes a lot bigger. Stuff like >>140984599 made it worth the time.
>>140987421
The dragon is the Invisible Thing and is within Imagine Breaker. Imagine Breaker, having been re-attached, re-sealed the thing, and it's likely that Alchemist is unable to do anything to either IB or IT anyway seeing as the only person we've seen be able to fight against IT is a magic god.
Railgun raws when?
>>140987563
Already out, check the archive thread.
>>140987529
It was shown she noticed she was tracked. She is also known as someone really hard to track and can get away easily. She altered the tracking spell and moved unnoticed, while the others tracked something else. I'm sorry you can't understand something unless it's spelled out for you.
>>140987463
>>140987481
How does this stop an actual non-magic arm from being created? I am well aware that Touma has a magic bullshit plot arm, it doesn't explain why the Alchemists vision of this thing doesn't manifest into reality as a separate, real, non magical part of Touma.
Aside from that, it STILL doesn't explain how barcode turns back to normal.
>>140987703
Barcode was imagined to be normal and as such became normal.
As for the arm, either it DID manifest but retained its normal properties (since at that point he wasn't really thinking about the details anymore) or Ars Magna is nowhere near enough to disturb Invisible Thing / Imagine Breaker.
The problem is that it has shit writing and an author who does zero planning WITHIN a volume, let alone for any ahead of the one he's currently writing. But it manages to make that look like something else that isn't shit, and a lot of people fall for it.
I especially like the part where the magic-users are more scientific than the 'Science' Side Espers; their powers are based off the exploration and exploitation of the observable universe (which happens to include things like gods and mana in this world), whereas the other side is 'lolreality warp'.
Then, of course, he insists there's some consistent logic to the universe, when it is eminently clear the whole thing is simply 'whatever serves the needs of the plot right now'.
>>140987678
Holy shit, did the author enter the thread?
They used the same damn spell twice before and it worked, then this time to have her conveniently escape it doesn't. I am afraid that it is you who is doing the baiting.
>>140987793
Espers are really just another kind of magic. They're just called science because of PR.
>>140987799
>They used the same damn spell twice before and it worked,
Yeah, than she noticed it and countered it.
>>140987793
Aleister Crowley is literally one of the greatest mages in the world if you haven't noticed yet, the Science Side is an alternative, ''artificial'' form of magic that uses a different fundamental theory than the Magic Side, whose fundamental logic boils down to 'idol theory'.
>>140987799
Then she noticed and hijacked it, why is this hard to understand?
>>140987783
>Ars Magna is nowhere near enough to disturb Invisible Thing / Imagine Breaker.
Yet it was enough to lob it off moments before.
Also, the entire concept of Ars Magna is retarded. Doesn't imagine a vampire into existence, doesn't imagine his loli back to normal, doesn't imagine the people he wants dead dead. the author creates an ability that is literally "what I imagine happens" and then puts a limiter on it by making the person wielding this power the most unimaginative person on earth. Then this unimaginative person think of gunblades. I mean, come on, have it one way or the other.
Index is a great character for the first few arcs but she quickly becomes terrible, also she could be a shota and it would change literally nothing.
>>140987955
>Yet it was enough to lob it off moments before.
Touma's arm is not IT or IB. IB is in his hand, and IT is sealed by IB. If you cut off his hand, IB needs a few moments till it reattaches itself, for that time, IT is free.
>>140987955
>Yet it was enough to lob it off moments before.
Imagine breaker stops at the wrist.
>>140987947
>>140987896
Oh come off it. the first time she "counters" it by making the dude using it suffer, the second time she doesn't counter it and actually gets found, then the third time it is a magical decoy.
Also the notion that the barcode and touma don't know where beachboy is despite being in contact with him over the phone for god knows how long. I mean please.
>>140984517
Thats something i prefer to do privately
>>140987955
The whole point of Ars Magna's limitations is that the dude has to believe himself capable of doing whatever he's imagining. You can imagine yourself fighting Goku but for the most part you wouldn't actually imagine winning in a realistic fashion. Similarly he can't imagine the vampire, and imagining a world with Index back to normal would necessitate imagining that he can Imagine before it was too late, which doesn't make sense because he's imagining after the fact. He DID imagine the people he wanted dead dead, but as soon as he saw Touma negate a lot of stuff he lost a lot of confidence and shit stopped working
>>140987969
It would change everything though.
New MAD for recent volume just in case you guys haven't seen it yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPf-WZcOhN4&feature=youtu.be
>>140987955
Just shut up please. You obviously have no idea what exactly you're talking about and just keep asking stupid questions, which are all answered in the light novel and even repeat yourself.
The invisible thing inside Touma's arm is "sealed" (being the keyword here) there by imagine breaker. It has no power or influence in that state, so of course you can chop off his arm. If it does, it comes out to fuck shit up on a level only magic gods can counter.
The rest of the post boils down to "he can't, he can't, he did"
>>140987955
>Yet it was enough to lob it off moments before.
Lobbing it off doesn't kill Imagine Breaker. It just releases the dragon which then regenerates his arm. IB is part of Touma and will always come back to him until he dies at which point it will find someone else.
>>140988080
You are still not explaining why he didn't just imagine his loli back to normal. You aren't going to convince me this was "too hard to imagine" (which btw is a stupid fucking concept to start with).
>>140988102
Apparently it isn't by the usual guy.
>>140988151
>>140988153
>he stops every spell and object created by spells with IB
>except that one time because the plot demanded the IT reveal
Ya, please stop this, you are literally just throwing around "magic deal with it" as an argument, which is fine, just don't act like it is anything more than that.
>>140988156
I just did. To actually be able to imagine a world where Index remembered him, he'd have to imagine either
A. the whole memory loss curse thing never happened to her
B. he found Ars Magna before then
C. he found a different way
C is impossible, he doesn't know any other way
B is contradicted by what he knows to be true
A would mean he'd never have met her to be the Index he knew
This is not difficult.
>>140988245
I don't really remember how he chopped it off but his arm got chopped off at his shoulder.
IB doesn't reach that far. If he shot something at his hand then it would've been negated.
>>140988245
Imagine Breaker has never been able to stop non-magical constructs, that's why one of the greatest threats to Touma is not an archmage or a continent-busting magic laser but a guy with a shotgun. Alchemist imagined a gunblade, which was then a normal gunblade, and shot a normal gunblade at the faggot's arm.
>>140988156
He doesn't even know what's wrong with her. Just put yourself in his stead for a moment before you ask stupid questions. He thought her brain isn't capable enough to store all the information when it actually is. He thought she is normal, which is wrong to begin with.
Not to mention, that even if he knew, he'd have to counter Anglican Church/Laura magic, which is still higher than his flipsy imagination.
>>140988245
Just shut up, you don't even seem to have any eyes and your brain seems to be decoration too.
>>140988260
Oh wow, this is the best post of the week, I have never seen anyone attempt to get Olympic Gold in the mental gymnastics category as hard as this.
>>140988330
I'm pretty sure he knew about the memory wipe thing but the point still stands.
>>140988245
Are you really this retarded? Touma needs to touch the supernatural with his right hand to stop it, if he doesn't react fast enough and it hits his body Imagine breaker is useless. This is explained in the fucking pilot.
>>140988357
The traditional weakness of reality warpers like Alchemist-kun is literally that they have to both control their imagination and be able to imagine the full context and background to the event.
If he imagined that Index never left, he'd have to imagine a full fucking three years of memories that contradict reality and likely would've disabled Ars Magna.
>>140988374
Yes and? What does the memory wipe have to do with Index' condition? Anglican Church only made it seem like she needs it, when she's actually just programed to get a fever and suffer without it.
You only keep proving my point, that you missed the whole dialogue of the series.
>>140988396
>>140988306
Yet he does exactly that repeatedly throughout the series.
Also, now we are talking about shotguns anway, everyone and their mother has heard of IB and its powers. Yet everyone still tries to fling spells at him. The universe contains guns, yet nobody ever picks up a gun and just shoots the guy.
>>140988465
The point is that he has no idea on how to fix her, all he knows is that her memory got wiped.
Did I go back in time to 2008?
>>140988484
>yet nobody ever picks up a gun and just shoots the guy
This happens a lot though, and early on when people just fling powers at him is when the relevant people HAVEN'T heard of IB. Accel didn't know shit about IB, Mikoto didn't, Stiyl didn't. Later on people like Acqua specifically found ways to fight him without getting IB involved.
>>140988453
>>140988330
All these silly made up rules to make Ars Magna "work". Pretty laughable, but continue, watching you guys jump through all these mental hoops&loops is hilarious.
It's been a while since we've had a "why don't they just shoot him?' thread.
I want to make Index break her sacred vows of chastity
>>140988617
Wasn't that like just a few days ago?
>>140988484
>Yet he does exactly that repeatedly throughout the series.
Find a single instance where he negates a non-magical construct / ability with Imagine Breaker, or where he negates an ability like that with something other than his right hand.
>>140988605
>complains about inconsistencies
>gets blown the fuck out and shown that Ars Magna is consistent in its usage
>m-m-mental hoops y-y-you autists >:((((
Ebin
>>140988617
Blame NT15 translation threads. We had one the day after they were finished, though.
>>140988632
I want to drag Laura into a religious court and have her tried for being a massive slut
>>140988563
Yet an otherwise ordinary schoolkid survives anything and everything, with or without IB. Either the opponent is ignorant of IB and tries to use magic, or they are not ignorant of IB and deus ex machina comes to the rescue.
>watch Railgun first
>hey this is pretty decent
>watch Index after
>this is fucking garbage
>>140988484
>Yet he does exactly that repeatedly throughout the series.
There's numerous times he doesn't or can't react in time. This is such a stupid argument anyway, just because he often reacts in time doesn't mean he has to 100% of the time. You're just grasping at straws now.
>>140988692
>yet an otherwise ordinary schoolkid
Oh fuck off mate, do you actually buy Touma's drivel that he's 'just a normal high schooler'
The guy is a perfectly competent fighter and improviser, he tied a nigga to a live helicopter rotor, and he's good enough to figure out how to counter most things that aren't direct attack magic
>>140988692
What's your point mate? If he dies (permanently) the series is over.
>>140988713
>>140988713
>You're just grasping at straws now.
Now really, you are. It is just MC plot armor, not good writing.
Every time something magical gets thrown at him, he negates it, either that or he just "magically" survives it anyway.
Remember when Orianna goes all out on him in S2? He negates the first half off the spell, but then is taken by surprise by the second half that goes of like a nuke. He just survives that, just like that, no explanation, that just happened.
>>140988757
>The guy is a perfectly competent fighter and improviser, he tied a nigga to a live helicopter rotor, and he's good enough to figure out how to counter most things that aren't direct attack magic
There is no reason to believe that, aside from his magical IB/IT, he is anything special. The only reason he is is because that is what the author wrote, which brings us back to the very first point, that this series has shitty writing.
>>140988692
Congratulation, you found the first plot hole in this series since the beginning of your posts. Touma is even more tenacious than a fucking cockroach and you noticed that. It's like he has a mystical object sealed inside him like some other well known protagonist. So maybe that's even the reason.Could've also posted Naruto or Ichigo for that matter
>>140988814
>Completely change the topic of the discussion.
>Not grasping at straws.
Its been a while since an animeonly indexfag got this butthurt for her lack of screentime
It kinda brings back memories
>>140988808
The point is that bad writing is bad. You are now on the verge of admitting that the only reason MC survives any and all of his encounters is because the plot demands so.
>>140988868
>besides this literally worldbreaking pair of powers he is perfectly normal
>also he can't ever be competent because he's a perfectly normal high schooler
At this point the fact that he's survived countless amounts of bullshit despite by all rights being a ''normal'' high schooler is a plot point.
Touma doesn't stay down, he's a determinator, he's actually quite fucking brilliant in a scrap, and he can negate for the most part any and all powers.
It's like you're saying that the MC needs to respect probability - guess what, 99.9% of all MCs wouldn't have made it to the end of the story.
>>140988897
No, the thread is littered with posts pointing out dumb shit in this series.
Thank you for equating this series with the likes of Bleach and Naruto though, it more or less summarizes the idea of this show.
>>140988900
Topic of discussion was the series being filled with plotholes and inconsistencies, keep up buddy.
>>140988942
This is true of almost all MCs though.
Harry Potter lives due to repeated bullshit and plot armor.
Frodo makes it to the mountain because this is the story of Frodo making it to the Mountain not Frodo getting offed and the Dark Lord winning.
Of fucking course the main character won't die. The best you'll get is him getting fucked up by all the damage. It's more like a plot iron maiden rather than armor.
>>140988995
Finally, the post that admits that it all boils down to MC plot armor. Thank you, I can get a good night's rest now.
>>140989023
>No, the thread is littered with posts pointing out dumb shit in this series.
All of which got refuted and you stopped responding to.
>>140989071
>he can't get a good night's rest before finishing a shitpost
Oh I get it, you're an aussie.
>>140988942
>explaining why he survives is "bullshit plot armor ability pulled out of his ass"
>not explaining why he survives is bullshit plot armor
What the fuck do you even want?
>>140988868
>There is no reason to believe that, aside from his magical IB/IT, he is anything special.
You look at it all wrong. You find a 'plothole' and scream bad writing, when later novels will bring that 'plothole' up and build around it, revealing it was something else, and it really should feel off. Like with the sisters. If you think about it, it's retarded, but later it was revealed what is their true purpose. Touma is similiar, I'm pretty sure his unnaturally sturdy body will be a plot point later.
>>140989126
He's an aussie shitposter, see how he said he could now get a god night's sleep.
>>140989052
If anything dying is the best thing that could happen to Touma right now
His life is so stressful he is going bald
>>140989046
Harry Potter is a shit series, nobody ever praises that as literary brilliance.
LotR main criticism has always been the actual ring part, but at least it is not nearly as contrived as this series, the whole point is that he doesn't have magical powers and has to endure all that shit. Frodo never has any extraordinary abilities, that is the whole fucking point. Really, apple and pears here.
>>140989185
It's become one already if World Rejector's tirade is any indication.
>>140989116
>All of which got refuted and you stopped responding to.
>I am going to profusely lie through gritted teeth because I can't make an actual argument for my case.
Remember that trying to force readers to admit problems to the story is not really a discussion. It's even obvious that he's not wanting to discuss anything. It's just him picking through arguments he can use and saying "but that's wrong" on the rest without expanding on it.
It's taking the bait, although in a different way.
You're just giving the guy some fuel to use in a later Raildex thread.
>>140989023
>Topic of discussion was the series being filled with plotholes and inconsistencies
That's a convient way to justify shifting the focus the second someone shows you your argument is shit.
>>140989185
That is the literary equivalent of "I was pretending to be retarded".
>>140989204
Yet Frodo survives anyway. No powers whatsoever yet he makes it to the fucking Mountain all fine and less beat up than Touma. Isn't that your so-called 'plot armor'?
>>140989237
You brought up Oriana, and you got blown the fuck out because she hijacked the spell.
You brought up Ars Magna, and you got blown the fuck out resorting to NUH-UH RESTRICTIONS ARE STOOPID EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE CLEARLY DEFINED
You brought up the Invisible Thing and got BTFO when everyone could see that you knew jack about how it worked.
>>140989263
Please point me towards such a post.
>>140989366
>Yet Frodo survives anyway. No powers whatsoever yet he makes it to the fucking Mountain all fine and less beat up than Touma. Isn't that your so-called 'plot armor'?
Yes, it is, however far less contrived and far more conceivable. Despite that though, it is usually what people will criticize the most in LotR, along with the by now infamous "why not use the eagles".
Series like index are in a league of their own when it comes to plot armor though.
>>140989234
The whole Kamisato arc should be enough evidence that not only is Kamachi aware of the 'plotholes' in the story but also the readers expectations and he is more than willing to troll us if we think he is not
>>140989541
Probably because of how high the powerlevels are involved? Lord of the Rings is utter shit tier as far as powerlevels go, Stiyl could likely solo every army there, and the higher the powerlevels the more 'plot armor' looks like plot armor. A legionnaire can conceivably survive an ambush by gauls but a normal dude can't quite as conceivably survive an encounter with a deity, so whenever they do survive it comes off as contrived.
>>140989614
World Rejector-kun a shit so I don't really mind.
>>140989366
>You brought up Oriana, and you got blown the fuck out because she hijacked the spell.
Please provide proof of this. I have already pointed out that they used the spell twice before successfully. The first time she tries to stop it by making the user (barcode) suffer, despite this it still works. the second time she tries to stop it, she doesn't actually stop anything and they manage to track her to her exact location. The third time she just happens to manage to negate it completely.
>You brought up Ars Magna, and you got blown the fuck out.
It is literally implied that the only reasons he didn't make a vampire was because he simply didn't think of it. All the "restrictions" given in this thread are made up by anons.
>>140989366
>You brought up the Invisible Thing and got BTFO when everyone could see that you knew jack about how it worked.
This was an extension of the Ars Magna argument, although I am willing to concede that the magical IT could stop Ars Magna from creating a physical IT without it being asspullery.
>>140989714
>It is literally implied that the only reasons he didn't make a vampire was because he simply didn't think of it
It's actually implied that he couldn't because he was unable to imagine himself being capable of simply creating a vampire.
>>140989714
>The third time she just happens to manage to negate it completely.
What's so difficult to believe about her trying three methods and the third time it works?
>>140989668
>Probably because of how high the powerlevels are involved? Lord of the Rings is utter shit tier as far as powerlevels go, Stiyl could likely solo every army there, and the higher the powerlevels the more 'plot armor' looks like plot armor. A legionnaire can conceivably survive an ambush by gauls but a normal dude can't quite as conceivably survive an encounter with a deity, so whenever they do survive it comes off as contrived.
Fair enough, not that I like the explanation, but at least it is one. Mostly don't like it because Touma's powerlevel is "just" his arm and being a streetwise kid. No matter how you view it, IB is a defensive ability. All his offensive abilities at first are him brawling, yet he is defeating people left right and centre, at least give him some sort of hardcore martial arts/military background if you want me to believe that.
>>140989916
Touma technically has never beaten an actual fighter in a fight. He gets fucked up every time he has tried to go up against trained martial artists or Saints, because those people can just punch you to a fine mist. He has only ever fucked up people like Stiyl, who are pure mages and squishy as shit if you get close. Remember against even Oriana, he gets juggled like a noobie in Street Fighter. He only wins by pulling dirty tricks against those people, or by waiting for help.
>>140989791
Which in essence is just saying that he can't imagine it because he can't imagine it.
>>140989884
Because you are implying that the third time is the time she decides to "vanish" from the tracking spell. If you don't want to be tracked, this would be the first thing you would do.
You have the ability to not be tracked, yet you first plaster a sticker onto a basketpole that hurts the user somewhat but still allows you to be tracked, then the second time you don't really do anything to stop yourself from being tracked, and only the third time do you think to yourself "lets use that ability I have that allows me to not be tracked". It is contrived, it is dumb, and it isn't confirmed anywhere, it is just your conjecture.
>>140990025
He is resilient as fuck though.
>actually gets shot in the abdomen
>just grabs some stylish clothes from the trash and goes on to punch a loli
>>140990097
>Which in essence is just saying that he can't imagine it because he can't imagine it.
That's exactly what I am saying and I don't know why this is hard for you to understand. To imagine yourself capable of creating a Vampire you'd have to understand how to make one, first off, and second off the nigga's crippling anxiety complex is actually a plot point against him because the shitty needles are his lifeline.
>>140990101
That's probably his only real plot armor.
>>140990025
Again though, if you want me to believe that this guy is beating people at streetfighting, give him a background that makes this believable. You mention Oriana, but in the end he wins that fight as well, he is an inferior fighter, and his IB didn't block all her attacks, yet he still wins. How? Because the plot demanded it. You can't go "well his dad was a navy seal and he has being doing martial arts since he was 4, so he manages to beat her", no, no real explanation as to how he beats Oriana, it just happens.
>>140989714
>The first time she tries to stop it by making the user (barcode) suffer, despite this it still works. the second time she tries to stop it, she doesn't actually stop anything and they manage to track her to her exact location. The third time she just happens to manage to negate it completely.
What's the problem with this?
>It is literally implied that the only reasons he didn't make a vampire was because he simply didn't think of it.
He never saw a vampire. How can you imagine something you never saw, only heard vague stories about? His plan was to get Himegami to lure some vampires to him, so he can see one for himself.
>>140990165
Yet he knows the intricate workings of a 10 barrel gunblade and manages to imagine that into existence.
It is silly, intentionally so, stop acting like it is anything more than that.
>>140990243
Touma was a delinquent though before the events of volume 1 and was involved in all sorts of fighting shit even before then (see Misaki's backstory with him).
>>140990307
>It is silly, intentionally so, stop acting like it is anything more than that.
Nah, you're just being a damage controlling fanboy.
>>140990243
The issue is that not even Touma knows anything about his past because of his amnesia. He could've been doing anything and it would still be possible.
>>140990307
He doesn't need to know the intricate workings but he doesn't even fucking know what vampires are like, what they look like, how they work at all. It's like asking an alchemist with a philosopher's stone to make you some tricholoromethane but he has no fucking idea what that even is.
>>140990243
>give him a background that makes this believable
He always gets into trouble even before the series and had to beat up skill-outs. He even says in one of the earlier novels that he can win 3 against 1 if we are talking about normal skill-outs without weapons.
>>140990371
His past was staggered crazy and delinquency if Misaki's backstory is any indication. He's confident in his street fighting skills, he just gets obliterated like any street fighter against actual trained martial artists.
>>140990274
>What's the problem with this?
I told you what the problem with that was. If you want to not be tracked, then why not just stop yourself from being tracked. Why wait until tracking attempt no.3 before you use your "non track" ability. The other problem with it, is that is is conjecture, i.e. you are making it up.
>>140990327
A fanboy would be a person vehemently defending the series.
>>140990377
Yet in his company is a girl who used to be surrounded by them. You say he doesn't need to know the intricate workings of something to imagine it into existence, yet a detailed description, explanation and drawing of a vampire from this girl aren't sufficient. Convenient.
>>140990474
>Yet in his company is a girl who used to be surrounded by them
Where is the proof that Himewhatever knows anything about vampires as far as their magical properties?
Trichloromethane is also known as chloroform but having a girl who said 'I got a weird napkin wrapped around my face and I got all woozy and couldn't move when they stuck it is hardly enough to make the compound.
>>140990474
You have tracking-counter A, B, C. A didn't work, you try B. It didn't work. You try C. It works.
Fucking plotholes man.
How is Touma going to spend his birthday?
>>140990688
A and B aren't even counters on paper though. Also, it still remains your own silly theory rather than anything that is even so much as hinted at in the series.
>>140990788
Maybe he'll get a break and stick it into a normal-sized Othinusnah he'll probably die like twenty times and come back to life
>If it weren't for Index shenanigans
But Index is literally the single worst part of the entire shitty franchise.
The only reason it's even halfway tolerable is Accel and the Misaka clones.
Guys I've got a revolutionary idea
Calm down and post cute pictures
>>140990555
Yet he made a 10 barrel gunblade. You can't have it all ways, either he needs to know all the intricacies of something to imagine it into existence, or he doesn't.
I know what a blade is, but I haven't the foggiest as to how to craft one properly. Can I or can't I imagine a blade into existence with this My Ars power?
The line of alchi's creation powers don't seem to be drawn at any level of intricacy, but rather at what the plot demands.
>>140990789
There are more than one ways to track someone. A and B are counters to some other methods. You are just desperately trying to find something to nitpick about.
>>140980859
Kek
>>140990943
>I know what a blade is, but I haven't the foggiest as to how to craft one properly
How do you not know how to create a blade you imbecile, at least in theory it is incredibly simple
>>140990947
No, you are desperately trying to defend something that is obviously silly. Rather than accepting it as bad writing, you need to fill in the hole with your own made up theory.
>>140990943
>Can I or can't I imagine a blade into existence with this My Ars power?
You can. Do you know what a vampire is?
>>140991002
Because it fucking makes sense. Why is it unacceptable that the third way of disrupting a magic formula will work when one other partially succeeded and the other fell flat? Why is it that the only acceptable answer is that it is shit writing? If you hate the series so much you're willing to become deaf to discussion, you may as well just find another series.
>>140991002
How come the One Ring doesn't turn the chain the keep it on invisible? Anything you say is a theory.
>>140990987
Go on then, enlighten me, a craft that has been perfected over time since the bronze age, a handful of people on earth who can actually craft one, yet according to you it is simple. I am listening.
>>140991015
Yes, I do.
>>140991115
>Yes, I do.
Than please tell me how does a vampire look and how does their immortality works in the Indexverse.
>>140991002
You are just desperately trying to fit something into your definitions of bad writing so you can feel good about yourself, faggot.
>>140991081
I am not deaf to discussion. I would have long left the thread if that were the case. I have even conceded on other points. Not on this particular point though.
>>140991115
>I am listening
Easy.
Melt down iron ore of at least passable purity, purify the ore by blasting it with air and thus raising the temperature, pour it into a mold. Done.
It is practically difficult to actually make work, but it is not difficult in theory, just as an onager or a trireme is not difficult to build in theory.
>Yes, I do.
Great! Please inform me of their specific magical properties, their relevance to idol theory and their specific magical composition and how it warps humans into Vampires.
>>140991115
So you know what a vampire's skin look like?
You know what a vampire's pancreas look like?
You know what a vampire's mitochondria look like?
Do you even know how vampires become immortal?
If you answer "no" in even one of the questions, then you fail this thread, you Argument Rejecter.
>>140991267
I Wish for a New Argument
>>140991196
I didn't grow up in indexverse so that is unfair. I can only give you our universe's vampire, I suggest reading Bram Stokers' work. You can read that, you can fully imagine the creature described in the book, so with hypothetical Ars powers you could (re)create it.
I can't even imagine how this guy can even insist that building a gunblade has the same level of intricacy as a humanoid body.
>>140991267
But anon-kun, earlier you said intricate knowledge was not needed, now you are telling me it is needed. Could you please make up your mind? In case you aren't the same anon, that means even you fans can't agree on what is the correct explanation. In which case basically anything goes I suppose.
>>140991300
>so that is unfair
But it fucking isn't, because the whole point of Vampires in Indexverse is that nobody knows shit about them, there's jack all for documentation, nobody knows how they work, iirc mages don't even know if they're real or if it's just a shitty legend. You're saying that we can look up a certain canon's vampire, but it's more like asking whether or not you know what a REAL 'our world's' vampire looks like. You don't even know they exist.
>>140991300
>our universe's vampire
What, they are real? Every vampire is different in ficton though. Just compare Drakula and the twilight gang.
And the vampires of Indexverse are secretive. Just imagine vampires exist in or world. Are they like how Bram Stoker wrote them? Or they are more like stephanie mayer's imagination? There are countless different versions. You don't know how one looks, only how some examples of fiction look.
>>140980859
>>140981146
Toaru Kagaku NO Railgun manga.
Coincide?
>>140991207
>Melt down iron ore of at least passable purity, purify the ore by blasting it with air and thus raising the temperature, pour it into a mold
This is not how you craft a blade. All you have done is create an iron rod. You in fact have no idea how to make a blade, not that I blame you, the vast majority of earth's population doesn't khave the knowhow.
>>140991485
>this is not how you craft a blade
Hilarious, seeing as that's exactly how cast iron weaponry is made.
>>140991377
>intricate knowledge
skin is intricate knowledge? And the immortality part is needed too, that's why he wants them in the first place.
>>140991383
>>140991460
Why are both of you conveniently omitting the fact that Alchi-kun has Hime-whatshername who has been around vampires? So he doesn't have to go on bad info, or some alternate version as envisioned by fiction author XYZ. He has the real information.
>>140985613
Wrong, if you remove Index Touma would have no special person to have his heart attached to before and after losing his memories.
>>140991619
Himewhateverhernameis has shit for knowledge though, she knows nothing about magic.
>>140991485
That is still a blade. A shitty one that would break easily, but still a blade.
>>140991609
I would say that mitochondria, which you now have conveniently forgotten to mention, would qualify as "intricate knowledge", yes.
>>140991668
I forgot to mention, because that really is intricate. Now can you say skin and the mechanism of their immortality is intricate? And remember, you need immortality.
>>140991655
Also, whatever knowledge she has about vampires is mainly the fact that they're either dead or wanting to die by approaching her.
>>140991668
You're still on the defensive. Skin, appearance, immortality, and basic properties are not 'intimate' knowledge any more than knowing that humans take a shit after eating and have skin of certain colors is intimate knowledge
>>140991513
Hilarious, as it isn't.
>>140991667
Doesn't really count then does it, the blades alchiman was creating weren't shitty iron rods.
>>140991619
She saw some vampires and that's all. They probably look like humans, so that's not a big help. She doesn't know what is fundamental for making a vampire. That's why he want to use her to see one for himself.
>>140991762
>Doesn't really count then does it, the blades alchiman was creating weren't shitty iron rods.
Still don't understand what's your problem. He can look up how to make a blade in a library anywhere. There are no books on vampire anatomy.
>>140991762
Oh dear me I've been countered ahh!
Why don't you tell me how blades were made then? Keep in mind that there were many ways of making a blade historically.
>Doesn't really count then does it, the blades alchiman was creating weren't shitty iron rods.
Theoretically with perfect temperatures and such you could make a god-tier blade with that technique. Ars Magna would only give a damn about the theory.
>>140991826
Fair enough then, although I still wish the show would try to actually convey this, rather than imply that the only reason he doesn't make a vampire is because he hasn't thought of it.
>>140991906
It's nigh outright stated though.
>>140991619
She doesn't seem to know much about them besides they being real and not being monsters
>>140991926
It is also nigh outright stated that the only reason he hasn't done it is becasue he simply didn't think of it.
>>140991959
No it fucking isn't.Wait, are you an animeonly?
>>140991906
Well, the anime leaves out many things, the LN explains things better.
>>140992002
I am pretty sure the anime mentions the mystery surrounding vampires, deep blood being the only solid evidence of their existence
>>140992223
Looks like the last way out for the resident retard in the thread just evaporated
Can we get a raw dump here?
>>140992269
>thread about index-san
>240 posts of autists like you arguing over the plot of a show that literally only gets airtime because of the girls
>21 images
>most of them not even of girls from the show
This kills the /a/
>>140992331
At least it's better than best girl wars.
>>140992331
>46 IPs
I've seen worse.Laura best girl
>>140989122
>Frenda, Fremea, Shiage, and Ritoku will never go shopping together
>>140980683
Index is a shit show no matter what you do.
>>140992269
Please no, let the railgun chapter have it's own thread. Or use the mikoto thread, since it's her birthday and she's actually relevant in her own manga again.
On another note, is anyone hyped to see Accelerator carry this board on his back this friday?
>>140992461
>new IP
Sometimes you just have to accept that you've missed the shitstorm lad
>>140992501
Wait is it that time againmate we're never leaving the babby cups again just get over it
>>140992394
>Excluding the rest of ITEM
For what purpose anon? Hamazura barely even knew Frenda.
>>140992461
Still better than Yaharishit and Saekanus.
>>140992371
No, it really isn't. Both consist of shitflinging, one has images though, the other doesn't.
>>140992461
Which is why every index thread turns out like this one, it is one of the easiest popular shows to take a dump on.
Still, would be cool if people would at least post images with their shitposts, considering where we are and all.
>>140992501
>for her birthday Kamachi made Mikoto suffer and bleed and go insane
H-how nice
Frenda etc etc
>>140992568
Yahari is a way better written series than Faildex
>>140992562
Because the rest of them, including Hanzou, are back at ITEM's main hangout preparing food for a nice dinner for everyone and Mugino is the head chef. Shiage just offered to go because he didn't want to be stuck washing dishes.You should have fucking killed yourself, Touma. Omega World > you
>>140992661
Stop
>>140992663
Othinus's pussy > Omega World desu
>>140992659
I've only been monitoring this thread but I will answer the call.
>>140992746
Will you be my friendmate you're an old IP
>>140992703
Pls anon, yoou get the face/hair etc. so right, and then you go and ruin it by letting your inner 3 year old loose on the colouring in of the hat. Not even staying within the lines. NOT EVEN WITHIN THE LINES.
