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is there any anime you would describe as the 'modern evangelion'?
Himouto! Umaru chan
boku no pico
No modern anime suck. None of them deservers to be compared to evangelion
>>140786851
what time periods counts as 'modern' because even stuff like madoka is already several years old, and still not as good.
>>140787409
>he thinks evangelion is 'good'
The best thing you can say about it is something akin to 'it's the citizen kane of anime' ie. it came up with some things that have since been refined and done better.
I thought evangelion was the modern evangelion.
I mean, if you've been watching anime for longer than three seasons.
>>140787463
Examples of things doing it better?
>>140787463
Evangelion is good, just because something comes allong and does something similar but with more contemporary taste in mind doesn't make it better.
>>140787653
>Evangelion is good
I don't like Evangelion nor think it qualifies as 'good'. That's just your arbitrary taste. Note that I didn't see it when I was young except for a couple scant episodes, so I don't have nostalgia goggles at all. In fact, I avoided it for years.
Again, at best, it invented a couple of tropes used today. Therefore 'relevant, but not good'. Just like Citizen Kane.
No.
Ping Pong and Tatami Galaxy are my two favorites that tie with Eva but that isn't what you are asking about. Yuasa's work is also too positive to be compared to Anno's work, even though both are life affirming.
>>140786851
I took a shit nasty dump a minute ago and it reminded me of NGE
Why do people like an anime about a faggot beta who rapes a girl and beats off into his own hand in the hospital.
Evangelion is alright, but it's nothing spectacular.
>>140787682
>I'll use mah relativism to disprove whatever you say
>>140787463
No it is good.
>>140787682
This is not the right way to talk about art. Eva did not just make progress in concrete examples of animation technique or direction, if that is what you mean.
It's writing alone is good when dealing with loneliness.
>>140787682
Citizen Kane is good too, that one I wouldn't call it the greatest thing ever of it's kind but it's good too.
>>140787772
>if you disagree with me you're not discussing 'art' properly
Fucking idiot.
>>140787787
It is a possibility that I disagree with you and that you are not talking about art correctly.
You can make an argument if you want.
>>140787783
Citizen Kane is considered relevant for inventing techniques that have since been perfected. It's watchable, but inferior held to contemporary standards.
>>140787807
I'm not convinced that your low-tier degree qualifies you as someone with the proper perspective on 'art'. Why waste my time with some idiot sophistic drivel you learned from a failed artist?
Furthermore, I'm not interested in the 'art' construct. It doesn't refer to anything in the real world, it's a cultural label.
>>140786851
>pic related
>>140787812
As I said, just because something is made with more contemporary taste in mind doesn't make it better than the older stuff. Trailblazers don't become bad because they become old.
What would a 'modern Evangelion' have to be to qualify?
>>140787885
No, but it contains techniques and technology that are inferior to contemporary usage. The converse of your claim is "just because it's old and respected doesn't make it good". These techniques aren't different, they're inferior.
>>140787693
Because that's the story of an average /a/ poster.
>>140787918
So which contemporary anime are superior to Evangelion?
>>140787918
Except that things get longevity and respect in the first place because they're deemed good.
>>140787946
Nearly all of them.
The correct question, by the way, was 'which contemporary anime use techniques that are superior to those used in Evangelion'. The answer is, again, 'nearly all of them', because anime as a medium has come a long way.
>>140787972
This isn't true in the case of budding technology.
The only difference between a ford model T and a modern toyota shitbox is that you're not allowed to pretend the model T isn't completely inferior to modern technology.
Fine art hasn't really come anywhere either, but compare techniques that predated the development of artistic technology such as perspective, depth, etc. That art is inferior to art that came after it.
The same holds for art that exists in a technologically maturing medium.
>>140787976
Jesus Christ.
>>140786851
Madoka
>>140787845
Awfully assumptive and insecure tonight anon
>Furthermore, I'm not interested in the 'art' construct
...uh-huh
> It doesn't refer to anything in the real world, it's a cultural label.
>the real word
So it's like, in Bizzaro world? Because its not in the real world?
Do you not understand how language works?
>>140787946
Shit I can even list shounen that are better
>HxH
>That volleyball one
>FMA:B
>Death Note
>Code Geuss
>Food wars
>Attack on Titan
>Hikaru no Go
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>Pile of shit
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>SAO
>Log Horizon
>Magi
>Fairy tale
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>All the shit on earth
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>NG:E
>>140786851
SAO
Eva is fucking garbage aimed at normalfags.
>>140788043
Please, regale us with tales of your Platonic forms of art. I'll wait.
>>140788090
>Better than NGE
>>140788184
As you can see its not hard to be better than NG:E
>>140788157
I don't need to refer idealistic forms.
Constructs are part of the real world, that includes art and language. There being "cultural labels", whatever that means, does not take away any of their weight. There is no need to be some edge lord.
>>140786851
Jojo's Bizzare Adventure Part 4.
>>140788208
Yes declarative statements without any arguments are fun and prove that NGE is indeed shit.
>>140788214
>Constructs are part of the real world
???
Do you believe the referent of 'flying spaghetti monster' is given form because people believe in it, or something?
The referent of language doesn't always exist. In fact, it rarely does.
>>140788090
>Shounen
You must be 18 to post on this site
Rebuild of Shin Seiki Evangelion™
>>140786851
None.
Eva is the 2001 of anime, in that only uninformed kids hate it, because they don't understand the impact it had on the industry.
>>140788299
Citizen Kane is regularly rated as the greatest film of all time by critics and fillmmakers.
I'm not sure where you're going with this.
>>140787693
It seems /a/ like to project, and so Shinji the beta faggot that he is makes good material for this.
>>140788090
yep Evangelion is trash, and anyone who hates on shounen solely because it's shounen are the real ones who show their immaturity.
>>140788348
It isn't trash, you just hate have awful taste.
>>140788246
>implying that it isn't all just opinions
>>140788278
The proof that the same thing with better technology doesn't make things better.
>>140788382
Here's an opinion.
Kill yourself.
>>140788333
Citizen Kane isn't a good film.
Influential and ground-breaking =/= good.
I mean, really, you dont at ALL get this argument?
>>140788376
nope watch read/watch better series. It's a dull, ponderous mess with awful characters.
>>140788406
we don't, because you're wrong.
>>140788396
no u
>>140788420
>we
>>140788406
>Citizen Kane isn't a good film
It is and Evangelion is a good anime.
>>140788431
you're having a discussion with more than one person anon.
>>140788412
I've watched over 100 series.
Eva was the best one I've watched.
Also, the characters are not awful, they're better than the characters in most shows in fact.
>>140788435
No, it isn't.
The story is dull and meanders with little direction and the groundbreaking cinematographic techniques used have since been advanced a thousand times over.
Kane is barely watchable for a contemporary audience because it's been lapped so many times. That's what happens in an evolving medium.
>>140788406
I don't dislike Citizen Kane nor think it qualifies as 'bad'. That's just your arbitrary taste. Note that I didn't see it when I was young except for a couple scant minutes, so I don't have nostalgia goggles at all. In fact, I avoided it for years.
Again, at worst, it is unfairly compared to the successors of its medium. Therefore 'slightly overrated and outdated, but not bad'. Just like Evangelion.
>>140788382
Nice relativism, idiot.
>>140788465
This also applies to you.
>we
Was just your insecurity showing. Stand on your own two feet little highschoolet.
>>140788466
If I only watch moeshit too, then yeah evangelion is going to look like gold as well.
>>140788482
>Dull
Meaningless argument used by plebs to dismiss anything they can't appreciate/comprehend.
The definitive proof its shit is that /a/ likes it.
/r/anime has better taste
>>140786851
Aldnoah.Zero
>>140788500
I've watched most of the garbage shonen on the list up above actually.
None of them were better than Eva, sorry.
>>140788498
Still wrong.
>>140788485
I don't think it qualifies as bad either. You undermine your own argument by introducing the concept of 'fairness'. There is none. All prior art in a medium is necessarily compared to all subsequent art, and held to be lacking because of the changing medium.
When anime technology becomes stagnant, you'll have a case for older stuff. Right now, you're trying to give objectively inferior work a leg up on its competition with the introduction of arbitrary 'fairness' standards.
>>140788526
bullshit m8.
If you like older style anime like eva try Hikaru no Go.
100x better than eva
>>140788526
I don't think highly of any of the shounen in that list, but most of them are better than Evangelion.
>>140788569
>100x better than eva
If that's the case why isn't it discussed today?
>>140788592
because it not a meme
>>140788570
Then perhaps you just have shit taste.
Is Eva manga worth reading? What are the differences between anime and manga?
>>140788616
Impossible, my taste is impeccable for the fact that I hate Evangelion alone. It can only get better from there.
>>140788665
Manga is generally trash in general.
>>140787730
What is spectacular if Eva isn't?
>inb4 hur dur recommendations
There are people in this thread that believe that Misato is a character that exists for more than filler and will defend her as a character.
>>140788682
Actually I tend to find that people who hate Evangelion have poor taste.
Just something I've noticed.
>>140788716
Name your top 5 anime without trying to pander.
>>140788665
If you liked NGE it's worth reading. it was pretty good but got kind of bad at the end as things dragged along for years. As for differences, it expands on some characters in interesting ways, I think it's worth reading just for that and the fact that the art looks pretty nice.
>>140788759
Logh
Tatami Galaxy
NGE + EoE
Welcome to the NHK
Kaiba
>>140788816
That's pretty entry level, anon.
>>140788716
and I've found that people who dickride this awful series tend to be delusional morons who are full of themselves and tend to buy into the death of the author meme.
>>140788816
>Memes: The list
>>140788713
I'm a Rei-fag but you can make the argument that Misato is the closest thing to a co-protagonist, Even Rei & Asuka's character arks fall of if Shinji didn't exist, but Misato's own ark about her father, angels and picking up Kaji's quest for truth, stands on her own even if shinji didn't exist.
>>140788862
>french 'philosophy'
>>140788862
>Death of the Author
What's wrong with someone expressing themselves through media?
>>140788816
None of these even break 9.0 on MAL
>>140788937
That's some advanced trolling.
>>140788937
Thank god considering MAL users have awful taste.
>>140788937
so?
>>140788816
True taste right there. Personally I'd add Lain, Haibane, and GitS movie to that list.
>>140788713
Might be the dumbest post in this thread.
>>140788937
Weak bait
>>140789002
It's meta-bait, probably used by that very poster to defend his pleb tastes.
>>140788816
Nausicaa (the manga)
Lone Wolf & Cub
Akira (manga)
Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou
Akage No Anne (anime)
The World is Mine (Hideki Arai)
blow all those series out of the water. Hell Fapnote is a better neet series than NHK.
>>140789026
>being a weeb hipster
>>140789060
none of these are that "hipsterish" well relatively speaking, compared to his list, other than arguably The World Is Mine and maybe Akage no Anne.
>>140788816
>actually thinking logh is great
It's extremely unique and I'd consider it pretty good but holy fuck is it overrated.
>>140789097
You inappropriately posted about manga because you wanted to seem like you had more refined, obscure tastes.
>>140789026
Not in terms of of character development/exploration, theme exploration, or narrative execution. Not to mention that the ultimate judge, the test of time, doesn't care about half of your list.
>>140789137
Obscure anime are obscure for a reason: they're garbage.
>>140789137
it's an anime & manga board mate, I prefer manga to anime.
>>140789167
>Name your top 5 anime
>anime
>>140789153
and the best movie of all time is Star Wars, and best anime of all time is undoubtedly Dragonball right?
>>140789145
>Not to mention that the ultimate judge, the test of time, doesn't care about half of your list.
Why expose the fact you have no idea what you're talking about?
>>140789197
Bad comparison. "Mainstream" isn't just popular shit.
Its more like the difference between Shawshank Redemption and Sharknado
>>140789145
I don't know what you're talking about but most people other than anime hipsters don't care about half your list either. In terms of theme explored Nausicaa and Lone Wolf and Cub are more mature than ANY anime you can post, and are literary level. Lone Wolf and cub's narrative is probably the most well executed of it's type and does it a lot better than Cowboy Bebop or any other series like that could.
And character development and Evangelion don't belong in the same sentence
>>140789153
Obscure anime (or art in any medium) is almost never obscure because of its quality. That's a silly assumption.
>>140789261
>literary level
What did she mean by this?
>>140789261
>And character development and Evangelion don't belong in the same sentence
You're both dumb.
>>140789261
That's what exploration was meant for. Read again
>>140789274
I disagree. Cream rises to the top.
>>140788937
>MAL
wew lad
>>140789261
It's not about who cares about it, it's about what reasons they care about it for.
>>140787463
everything else could only immitate and not innovate.
Additionally Id say eva took real people and animated them, instead of "inventing its archetypes"
>>140789475
The opposite of an idealistic portrayal isn't 'real'.
>>140789383
You're an idiot or this is bad bait, it's a literal logical fallacy to assume something is quality cause it's popular.
>>140789285
That Nausicaa (and to a lesser extent LW&C) deals with many themes of classic literature and does it in a masterful way. War vs Peace, Man vs Nature, Good vs Evil, Purity vs Corruption, Hope vs Despiar etc.It deals with discimrination in ethnics, class, gender, and the meaning of life and death.
That's not even getting into the well paced plot, world building, and well developed and complicated characters.
>>140786851
Non Non Biyori
>>140789517
>something is quality because it's popular
That's a strawman.
Cream rises to the top is a different argument. Try engaging with it if you want a real reply.
>>140789556
there's nothing to engage. You posted bad bait, and assumes something is quality cause it's popular. Your semantics argument can't cover that.
>>140789622
>something is quality because it's popular
Is there something wrong with your brain?
>>140789643
Nope, nice backpedaling though.
>>140786851
Knights of sidonia
Evangelion+diebuster
>>140786851
The only modern anime I have watched is Oreimo. Kirino is a better character than anyone in Eva, but Oreimo is no modern Evangelion.
stop with these threads holy fuck
>>140790024
>Kirino is a better character than anyone in Eva
>>140788937
>MAL
>>140786851
There's nothing that stirs your brain wrinkles the same way Evangelion does, but Madoka movies can be quite obviously paralleled with Evangelion movies.
>>140788937
Oldfags are so bored now they can't even bother to troll or fake their outrage properly.
Evangelion is still modern
>>140793666
>666
trips definitely confirm
>>140786851
K-On!
