>tfw
>the whole whitewashing casting controversy is merely a sociological manifestation of our collective immaturity as a species.
>Simular to how the major is reluctant to let go of her identity at the end of GITS, we are reluctant as a species to let go of our own identities. This racial miscasting is a self-perpetuating paradoxically phenomenon that highlights our insecurity as individuals.
>Social Justice Warriors may be the product of a stand alone complex in which the motives of the individual warriors is not of real social justice, but a desperate attempt to define ones own individuality. Therefore, they lie about their motives as individuals but collectively, their behavior as a group emerges as a cohesive effort for social justice.
It wasjewwashing.
It's Hollywood, what did you expect.
>>140785502
you went too deep.
Denial of races is just denial of reality.
But some races are just inferior.
>>140785502
So has controversy over racewashing actually been proven to affect profits of movies? For all the negative publicity it gets, publicity is still publicity.
FE: Fates was shit on for censoring a bunch of content, but all the discussion about it just attracted normalfags who didn't care about the removed material and made it the bestselling in the series.
what is terministic screens
>>140785742
Cameron Crowe's 'Aloha' proved to be a box-office bomb and critically scathed, though it's unclear how much was owed to the whitewashing controversy and how much to the quality of the film itself.
>>140785502
Wrong. It's advertising. I know because I would have never known about this movie if not for the "controversy".
The movie's gonna suck
but not because of the racewashing.
social justice wouldn't exist if not for facebook, twitter and youtube, it's just a fad that will go away when our economy crashes
>>140785502
>a self-perpetuating paradoxically phenomenon
whites are superior to nips anyhow. so why don't we just be glad that the major got upgraded to white girl?
>>140785502
20th century White americans are too immature. Don't fucking generalize it.
Op here
Also
> 1995 movie
> best major
>>140788914
desu I thought the original movie was lacking. the major was good in it but the whole storyline to me was pretty subpar. I enjoyed gits 2 more as the puppetmaster was really entertaining. also it had a lot of togusa.
Literally wrote an article about this yesterday. The whole fucking franchise is about how our sense of identity isn't going to matter/doesn't matter in a post-modern, technological age.
The very first page of the manga cynically calls Japan a corporate network rather than a nation, and most arcs unravel into in-fighting between different factions of the government and it's industries. Then, on an introspective individual level, characters are constantly doubting their sense of self because it seems like everything can be replaced by something created in a factory.
Anyone who doesn't get that didn't watch/read the series and should therefore should have their bigoted, ignorant opinions thrown out.
>>140792082
>bigoted
>>140792170
They are bigoted though. They're shoving their politics and viewpoints down everyone's throats, even if they're Japanese. Anyone who doesn't agree with them is seen as inferior, whether they be white or not. It's the exact kind of behaviour they constantly decry, not that that's news.
>>140785502
Everyone should be more focused on the fact that it's a cheap cash grab with a shitty actress.
Either way, who gives a damn? Everyone knows Hollywood can't adapt for shit when it comes to Japan. The closest thing was Godzilla (2014) but even that fell a bit short if not for the CGI. Hollywood just can't do anything right when it comes to relateable characters because they're too focused on drawing as much money as possible with a recognizable name, not drawing money with the quality of a film.
So, what's the best design ? I would say 2 and 6 are away above the rest.
>>140792839
I think 7 looks good but I'm just into the type of fashion she is wearing.
This is a case where they could explain it away super easily.
>hey Major why are you white all of a sudden?
>new body lol
>>140792839
In terms of just asthetics.
1 = 6 > 2 >>> 7 > Shit > The rest
Damn, I was just reading the original manga a few days ago and it was really good.
Now for the real hard hitting question.
Will or will this not be worse than Dragon Ball Evolution? The production value looks like garbage.
THAT'S NOT WHAT WHITEWASHING FUCKING MEANS
>>140795473
That's pretty retarded. You might as well say lions will always go extinct because deers will always win in the end.
It's not that they changed her race that makes a big fucking deal, it's the fact the producers have nothing but a trail of shitty live action adaptation movies under their belt and they typecast ScaJo. The whole movie reeks of cashing in and shitty entourage hiring.
>>140792674
This.
I had the same reaction when someone mentioned the where trying to get Keanu to do a cowboy bebop movie.
I'm a bit tired of people telling me Scarlet is a good actor and the sexiest woman alive. Even if she was either of them, you can't be both at once.
>>140792839
1 Reminds me of that dude from Trigun that got Vash to kill him.
What makes me more pissed than anything else is that they're gonna go for AKIRA once they're done with this.
>>140795952
Legato Bluesummers.
So does anyone think Ghost in the Shell 2.0 was in any way a good idea???
I don't care what race they are so long as they fit. Scarjo doesn't fit, they're just casting a big name instead of a big talent.
>>140799253
Actually I would care if it was a nigger, so nevermind.
>>140799253
>robots
>needing human muscle
>>140799377
I said as long as they fit not as long as they are /fit/.
>>140799415
>>140786999
Aloha was absolutely terrible, the whitewashing controversy was the least of that movie's problems
>>140785502
>even japanese people think that anime characters resemble more whites than asians
Someone post that video
>>140785502
I know right, just hurry up and put a black lady on the 20!
>>140799549
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DhoBuU1Dtc
>>140799549
>based on the opinion of a single Jap
Talk about anecdotal bias to the extreme.
It's okay /pol/, you don't have to feel so guilty about watching degenerate little girl cartoons.
>>140799618
White people do need to be reminded of slavery more often. What better way then on their ill gotten gains
>>140785502
This is why casting on all movies should be done with a random number generator.
White people default is way overdone.
>>140785679
What other human race is there besides the human race itself? There are different breeds, sure, like how there are different breeds of dogs. They're still dogs though. And humans are still humans. And we have even less differences in our varying breeds. Does your amount of melanin and your favorite geographical location mean so much to you that you absolutely must label yourself like a special snowflake? Ultimately that is what's happening now. It's this special snowflake mentality of nonconforming individuals that feel like they need their own special label and individuality. That's what is holding the human race back. It's completely pointless. We've conquered the entire planet as a species and yet we still have to fight each other over petty labels. We could be out conquering and pillaging the rest of universe right now if it wasn't for you degenerates.
>>140799999
Quints knows it
>>140799999
>We could be out conquering and pillaging the rest of universe right now
But once our soldiers start raping the blue space elves, there's be a new race of filthy half-breeds.
We've got to keep that from happening.
>>140800257
That is why you send Military Aproved Condoms.
Just dont go and watch it mission accomplished, Jews love money more then ppl.
>>140792839
4 Major a best Major
I fucking love that outfit
>>140792839
2,5,6
Rest is shite.
>>140799999
You do realize that over 6 billions of politically and culturally divided human beings could never work together for the same cause, right? The only way I can see this happening is in the case of an alien invasion
>>140785502
>falling for SJW viral marketing tactics
It's like Mad Max all over again.
>>140803326
Nah, we'd fight among ourselves. You see, an alien invasion would happen like an invasion of the mongols in the 15th century.
They'd go to one big group and say 'hey we'll let you live if you ignore us massacring the other half of the world'. Then they massacre one half, then move onto the other.
Or not do much at all since the humans will fight amongst themselves.
Mountains of skulls.
>>140803620
Not in the age of modern communication. The reasons the Mongols got away with that is because they could attack one half of the world and the other half would never know or care about it. With the ability to collaborate worldwide and without the ability to ignore the atrocities happening throughout the world, people would mount a united front.
>>140799999
Have you ever seen an aboriginal?
Pure-bred abos have an average iq of 67
They literally never reached the stone age in terms of technology.
How would they contribute to space travel?
>>140801710
My nigga.
>>140785502
Nah you're just an idiot
i don't see how that's important, interesting or worth discussing
>>140785742
The latest Fantastic Four completely bombed, and at least one character was made black when they were supposed to be black.
Again though, its difficult to separate whether its due to that or the quality of the movie itself
>>140805118
depends on the type of aboriginal, most of them are climatized to different extreme conditions.
inuits would be pretty ideal working class astronauts given their short stature and resistance to cold.
>>140805632
Anon if you give an aboriginal a car and instruct him how to use it he will abandon it when it runs out of petrol and then sleep on the middle of a road a week later.
No he can't operate a spaceship because lol it's hot sometimes.
>>140805731
do you even know what the term aboriginal means
>>140792839
#1 Manga
#2 SAC
#3 ???
#4 Anime
#5 puppetmaster movie
#6 anime?
#7 Arise
where is #3 from?
>>140805763
It's the name indigenous Australians have.
>>140785502
Actual fans don't give a shit because The Major doesn't look Japanese in any way, neither does she look like any other race of person. It's just normalfags using the garbage adaptation as a battlefield for their dumb identity politics.
>>140805903
yeah I didnt think you did
>>140805968
Unless you just hopped out of a time machine from the 1700's the only race colloquially called aboriginals are aussie natives.
>>140795473
>justice
>social justice
pick one, underage
>>140806123
no
you should probably stop being wrong on the internet though and go back to catching mudcrabs by hand
It's gonna suck because it's being directed by that faggot who made Snow White and the Huntsman. Whitewashing the cast is just insult to injury.
>>140806261
Lol maybe you should stop preaching
>race is just a social construct
When the only minority you know is Joe your one Asian friend.
I don't even know how you could use this site and be unaware the abo race exists. They a literally a meme race.
>>140806388
there are multiple aboriginal races you retard
>>140806468
What is another name for Australian natives?
Where have you ever heard Eskimos called aboriginals outside a classroom?
Just stop digging mate.
>>140806564
last time I talked to a new zealander or went to a town council meeting in up here in canada.
but i mean hey feel free to think the rest of the world calls australian aboriginals aboriginals instead of australian aboriginals
we have our own
aboriginal is literally just a synonym for native
and no synonym is not a something you put on your toast with marmite go home
>>140806745
Really because you know many boards on this site have flags. Despite the many threads about aboriginals including many started by Canadians like yourself, never has anyone used the term Australian aboriginal.
>>140806564
Nigga, aboriginals are a synonym for the indigenous people. Yes, it is more used when referred to Australia's but is not exclusive.
>>140805839
SAC, she uses it for a brief moment.
>>140807050
Did I ever say it was exclusive? You were the autist that assumed you were talking to David Attenborough or some shit.
>>140807206
hello my friend from downunder you were talking to the wrong person
I even have a trip
please use your grand australian IQ to use your computer properly and effectively
>>140807300
>I even have a trip
Jesus christ
Real deep analysis Anon
Now what does the director being the twat who made Snowwhite and the Huntsman mean?
Listening to 20 year Olds try to pretend to sound smart is so cringy.
>>140803326
OO Gundam style.
What the hell is this and why should I care?
>>140806123
Not surprised that an Australian is retarded.
>>140806123
We call the natives here in Canadian aboriginals too
>>140785502
Dragon Ball Evolution faggots white people can't kung fu
The game is free to play on steam for 3 days
It's literally worse than CoD though
>>140809784
if it's not region locked for you that is
because
>Nexon
>>140805839
1 manga
2 Original Movie
3 dummy body used in arise
4 SAC
5 Innocence
6 SSS (solid state society)
7 doesn't matter because it is irrelevant (see: Arise)
>>140799377
>>140799415
>>140799455
Samefag.
>inb4 photoshopped screenshot
>>140792839
1, 4, 6 and pic related.
>>140785502
Honestly everyone bitching about racewashing are complete morons. The real issue with ScarJo is that she is nowhere near enough masculine looking. I get that makeup etc can help a lot with that, but something like the scene in the first movie where she tears her arms off trying to open a tank just wouldn't look right with someone like ScarJo.
>>140805904
Actual fans wouldn't watch a garbage adaptation made by Hollywood as a cheap cashgrab.
>>140812308
>implying they'll be faithful to the source material
>implying we won't just see a "HACKING" scene and skip the tank scene
>implying this movie will be anything but shit regardless of who's cast in it
>>140799775
The majority of America is white
Even with RNG you'd end up with mostly white people
It's not a default, it's a majority
Math isn't fucking hard you idiot
>>140799549
Would you have the French speak for your people? Yeah? Does that sound like a good idea to you? Anon?
I don't know why there is so much cont overly surrounding this "white washing" found in this movie. Attack on Titan did the same thing and no one complained as much when the Japanese did it
>>140795900
>Spike isn't a Jew he's a jap!
>>140785502
Japanese characters should be played by Japanese actors. It's that simple.
There is nothing worse than an adaptation deviating from the source material in any way.
>>140795473
"Oppressors" can't lose you fucking retard
Do you even know what that word means?
>>140813457
Motoko is a legendary character in the medium and the series GITS is a classic. Comparing brilliance to AOT is blasphemy.
>>140813457
because people can't stop talking about it, that's why
>>140813473
>don't know who she was before becoming a cyborg
>SHE'S JAPANESE GUYZ
>>140813473
>Japanese character
prove she's japanese
>>140785502
>giving into a hivemind is a sign of maturity
A hivemind is an amazingly stupid idea.
>>140805628
The movie was shit on its own. The casting just angered fans of the franchise.
The controversy regarding GitS doesn't really seem to bother that many fans of the franchise though, and only pisses off a few vocal people, who probably have never seen the series anyways.
>>140785502
>SJWs
>cohesive
>>140815010
Not that guy, but the movie will most likely be shit regardless of who's cast. I think that's what's pissing off more people than what Tumblr claims is doing so.
>>140815278
I wasn't even aware of the live action film until someone tried to get me angry about "Whitewashing grr". I think they were disappointed that I was more against the movie itself existing.
>>140788705
Can't Wait.
>>140815357
I've seen this reaction as well. It's exposing who the oversensitive retards are among the community, if there even is a community.
>>140785502
>their behavior as a group emerges as a cohesive effort for social justice.
Is social justice a code word for tyranny and authoritarianism?
>>140814878
>I have a true identity! That's a hivemind!
The general thematic point of the entire series revolves around the idea that because people incorrectly view themselves as a single unchanging identity, they ironically end up forming an actual hivemind.
The biggest example of this is the presentation of the simultaneous death of "Japan" as a country and the rise of "Japan" as a hub for corporate networks. The Laughing Man tried to really drill this home with the whole "I thought I'd pretend..." but apparently you missed it
Abandoning the doctrine of strict unchanging identity is what ultimately destroys the natural hivemind and allows the construction of something more than just "Human" - it allows personal individual evolution, the freedom of our own intelligent design.
>>140816381
>personal individual evolution
What do you mean by this? Such a term can be interpreted multiple ways.
>the freedom of our own intelligent design
Are we not already free? Any sort of intelligent designer has already given us all the freedom we can have, we just choose to impose restrictions on ourselves.
>>140805904
Actually, she does say in the manga that she has a "generic" body to better fit it in the society. Spec ops and all that shit.
I'd guess Johansson isn't your typical japanese bystander, even by Shirow's standards about the future, personally.
>Actuallly think they should've just made with an american setting, GITS isn't particulary "japanese"
>>140799999
A combined human race would make progress slower, just think of all the innovations that were made from governments and militaries trying to get the edge over the other. Man vs. Nature only gets us so far what really pushes advancement ahead is Man vs. Man.
>>140817435
>What do you mean by [personal individual evolution]?
As things are, we do not evolve.
The human species may evolve, thrive, adapt, but "me" or "you" do not, cannot.
This is what I mean by hivemind, no-one is in control except for the species as a whole.
By "personal individual evolution" I'm trying to differentiate between change brought on as a product of the hivemind (classical/enslaved evolution where each individual is at the mercy of thousands of generations of their species' genetic history) and change brought on as a product of singular will (proprietary evolution where the individual changes themselves)
>Are we not already free?
I cannot know, however you provide a way to find out:
>Any sort of intelligent designer has already given us all the freedom we can have
>we just choose to impose restrictions on ourselves
You've provided the method for answering your own question.
Push against the restriction of collective evolution, the restriction of concrete identity, or you'll never know where your freedom ends
>>140818145
>Man vs. Nature only gets us so far what really pushes advancement ahead is Man vs. Man.
Not necessarily. Medical advancements aren't really pushed by Man vs. Man in any way. It's usually just things like weapons and long-range communication that have really advanced thanks to Man vs. Man conflicts.
I would say that the existence of the internet (which was, yes, spawned out of military interest) has also now completely overturned the need for Man vs Man conflict to push innovations.
No system is absolutely perfect, and systems that are optimal in one situation become completely broken as time progresses, and the situation changes.
>>140818860
>restriction of concrete identity
Nobody I know actually forces themselves to act away they don't want to at that exact point in time. Nobody has a "Concrete" identity forced upon them.
>no-one is in control except
No-one is in control, period.
>>140819043
>the internet has overturned the need for man vs man conflict
The usefulness of conflict in the creation of technology is the fear of being overrun by an "enemy" if you fail. Complacency and contentedness slows advancement, because nobody is desperately trying to find new ways they can get ahead and stay with their current lives. The internet is good for ideas, bad for advancement.
>>140785502
I'm fine with being an individual, but don't force me to be apart of it.
>>140819044
>Nobody .... acts a way they don't want to
You must have misread, as this is a completely pointless statement that neither agrees with or challenges anything I have written
>Nobody has a "Concrete" identity forced upon them.
Again, not sure what you're referring to since this doesn't agree with or challenge anything I've said.
>>no-one is in control except
>No-one is in control, period.
If you would kindly learn to read you'd see that I said "except for the species as a whole" which isn't something any individual has control over.
Congratulations on shitposting, I guess.
>>140818860
Lets be honest here, the only way you'd be able to break free of human instincts is to create a brain that essentially never reacts to anything. And then find a way to "Transfer" an individual over.
I don't think what you'd get out of it could really be called conscious.
>>140819444
>except for the species as a whole
see
>>140819491
You can't "Break the bonds" of our evolved brain. Our evolved brain is what gives us the state we call "Consciousness". Unless you believe people have personalities that transcend their hormones, what you are proposing is preposterous.
>>140819144
Not the guy you're talking to but there are plenty of people that make things for praise or for money. And there's monetary value in the creation of something beneficial for the populace, it's not all conflict. These things aren't going to disappear from the internet and the connectivity aspect means that people seeking adulation or recognition will probably even increase.
>>140819642
Monetary incentive is still man vs man. I'd argue that the pursuit of money, admiration, or advancement will still work slower than those pursuing continuing their familiar way of life.
Based Gigguk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKkp2jjOk88
>>140819491
>only way you'd be able to break free of human instincts is to create a brain that essentially never reacts to anything
Are you implying that non-human brains lack instincts? Because that's laughably false. Additionally, tons of instincts are not preformed by the brain in the first place - reflexively pulling the hand from a hot stove for instance does not require a brain.
>And then find a way to "Transfer" an individual over.
There's that illusion of strict concrete identity again. You aren't you from 3 minutes ago, you're constantly in a state of "transferring" to something new.
Funny how you're okay with changing your mind or leaning something new, you're okay with puberty and "growing up", but you balk at the idea of changing your own body by your own will.
>>140819555
>You can't "Break the bonds" of our evolved brain.
>Our evolved brain is what gives us the state we call "Consciousness".
"our brain"
>Unless you believe people have personalities that transcend their hormones
>what you are proposing is preposterous.
"you believe"
"you are proposing"
I like how you'll say we're the same at first and then claim we're different. Either those "bonds" are bullshit or you don't even understand what you're saying
>>140819719
>Monetary incentive is still man vs man.
How? From my perspective it's man supporting man for the convenience of all men. Where does the vs come in? It can be used for conflict in certain situations but it's not a prerequisite.
![ghost_in_the_shell_2_-_innocence[1920x1036.h10p.flac][niizk].mkv_snapshot_00.01.51_[2016.04.24_22.02.38].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/yJC4OGR.jpg "ghost_in_the_shell_2_-_innocence[1920x1036.h10p.flac][niizk].mkv_snapshot_00.01.51_[2016.04.24_22.02.38].jpg")
Batou is best.
I like him better without the ponytail, though.
![[OZC]Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex E01 'Section 9' [v2].mkv_snapshot_10.01_[2016.04.29_02.02.33].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/coqZc8A.jpg "[OZC]Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex E01 'Section 9' [v2].mkv_snapshot_10.01_[2016.04.29_02.02.33].jpg")
>>140821386
What happened?
>>140819491
>the only alternative to human instincts is no instincts
Where'd you get that idea from? There are plenty of animals in the animal kingdom with their own instincts, human instincts are just one set out of many.
>>140822000
he still thinks that humans are special snowflakes
>>140822240
That's the exact opposite of my point.
>>140785609
>take japanese IP
>develop a hollywood movie, mostly for a western audience
>people are fucking surprised when they cast a successful, and popular white actress
Who would've thought this would happen?
I swear, people get so fucking bent out of shape over fucking nothing.
It's not like you won't be able to watch the original anyways
Who's to say that Motoko is even Asian? She definitely doesn't look Asian.
>>140823388
>Motoko is even Asian? She definitely doesn't look Asian.
Shes a robit. One of dem cyborgs.
>>140823455
Sure, but the robot doesn't look like it was meant to look Asian.
>>140822980
You don't have to be surprised by something to be disappointed that they still went and did it.
>>140823388
>>140823455
>>140823558
>she's a cyborg she doesn't have a race
>anime characters are white
Even if I don't really care what race they cast her as in some trash movie these are still the dumbest fucking arguments.
>>140823820
Obviously if it was made in japan, it would have japanese styled features if it was truly trying to blend in with the populace.
Then again, Japan loves white people so it's kind of a wash.
I mean they got Beat Takeshi in it, that's a step in the right direction.
>>140823820
>dumbest fucking arguments.
Arguments for what? I'm just making a comment.
>>140823878
>Japan loves white people
Yeah, they love making fun of them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBXzHx-jAIo
>>140824779
>Japan is racist as fuck
News at 11.
It's kind of surprising they love stuff like Journey to the West and Romance of the 3 Kingdoms so much when they fucking hate chinese people.
>>140788786
>becoming a jew
>upgrade
>>140824779
>>140824910
White people do tend to have larger noses than Japanese people, and they do tend to be louder and more obnoxious. Plus, it's their country. They're free to be racist if they want.
>>140824910
>they
yes anon
all japanese are exactly the same
>>140824910
They just hate commie china. They like ancient china
>>140822980
>Who would've thought this would happen?
Even Japan knew this would happen, and don't give a fuck.
I don't think any of you understand exactly how racist Japan is.
>Jaw-droppingly racist musical in which grossly caricatured Africans Manbo, Chinbo, and Chonbo causes chaos in civilisation despite the efforts of their pretty tour guide/bedmate to tame their zany, grass-skirted cannibal ways.
>>140825096
That's fucking great. Niggers need to be treated more harshly in first world culture. Long live glorious Nihon.
>>140822980
I wouldn't have minded this except it still takes place in Japan. You have American actors all speaking English, why is the setting still Japan.
>>140824779
Whites are starting to be like Jews at this point, in that everyone is hating them. Now this is where, they do a little self reflection instead of acting like the victims.
>>140825309
>Whites are starting to be like Jews at this point
Shit, we are heading towards Jew-status, aren't we? I hate my race, but I hate niggers, spics, and Arabs even more and I don't want to be subject to their rules and culture.
>>140825096
Just in case anyone is doubting that description, here ya go.
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbyInLTbXGM
>>140811556
What makes you even think "samefag"?
>>140785502
Blacks playing white characters like Lancelot and Jamesbond:
>SJWS ARE TAKING OVER, THE JEWS ARE DOING WHITE GENOCIDE, KEKS WILL LOVE THIS CHANGE
White plays a Japanese character
>It's okay, there is no difference between races. SJWs should stop playing the race card.
I don't know if you guys are retarded or evil. Maybe both.
>>140785502
I don't give two shits that she's white/kike.
SJ is a terrible fucking actress and the director isn't any better.
Why do people care. Are any of you actually going to watch this movie?
>>140825389
Learn to read, I said in terms of how people view you. But you lost your ways of mass manipulation and being cunning. You're destroying yourselves at a faster rate than Jews are.
>I hate niggers, spics, and Arabs even more and I don't want to be subject to their rules and culture.
Yet you spread democracy and feminism wherever you go. And organizations like HRW are mainly white western dominated.
>>140825559
I know, that's why I said that I hate my own race, whites. It's impossible to argue any form of supremacy when you look at white people. I just want to be left alone, but the coloreds are invading everywhere. As the adage goes, "You might not be interested in racial politics, but racial politics are interested in you."
>>140825405
>>140825096
What's racist about this? It's not racist to make stereotypes about hunter gathering cultures. Virtually every civilization has done it about others that shared their "Race".
>>140825669
>Virtually every civilization has done it about others that shared their "Race".
and all of that shit was still racist
>>140825792
Racism is fucking great, go back to Tumblr, Facebook, reddit, wherever you crawled out from.
>>140825820
no thanks my dude, but you can head back to /pol/
>>140785502
Do the same today with a black character and see what happens.
>>140825847
I bet you like rap music and watching 3DPD cuckold porn, don't you? Do you wish you were black? Why are you even on this board?
>>140825553
I might if the reception for it turns out alright.
I get watching something to make my own opinion, but I don't really care to force myself to watch something I won't like, like certain previous adaptations.
>>140825939
>>140825939
Are you trying to justify your own racism by claiming people who aren't racist just hate themselves?
You're fucking retarded. This is why your kind should stay contained within /pol/.
>>140826055
That's the most common defense of /pol/ nowadays. It's the reason the word cuck has become so popular.
>>140826055
I don't spend time on /pol/ because they're idiots who think Trump is somehow on their side and actually defend capitalism when it's the very thing that is destroying everything they care about. Plus, they don't see how scummy white people are and actually argue for supremacy when they should simply be arguing for separation.
>>140825025
>i generalize generalizations as being bad
>>140826371
>implying what I said was a negative
they literally are all the exact same anon
>>140825792
It wasn't necessarily. Hating the culture is one thing, it doesn't mean people who look a certain way are inherently like that if they were given a different culture.
>>140826155
>e they're idiots who think Trump is somehow on their side and actually defend capitalism when it's the very thing that is destroying everything they care about.
It's incredible how dumb /pol/tards are. They claim to hate the snooping the NSA does yet supports Trump who wanted Apple to give FBI access and he also sees Snowden as a traitor.
>wanting to see hollywood's adaptation of ghost in the shell
Why? It's going to suck anyways
>>140826418
>dumps a lot of US govt secrets
>flees to russia
yeah seems like a real patriot not bribed by the FSB
>>140826645
>>flees to russia
What kind of argument is that?
Of course he's going to run if he knows what's good for him.
>US govt secrets
Some secrets shouldn't remain secrets.
>>140824910
All I'm saying is that it's dumb to make a sweeping statement like that when there's no real consensus for it. Japan likes foreigners about as much as we do except probably even less because their society is so homogeneous. If anything, Japan likes very specific aspects of western culture and cities like Paris (largely propped up by their own imaginations and it all comes tumbling down when they see the reality, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome#Susceptibility) rather than westerners themselves.
>>140826721
>what kind of argument is that?
not really an argument but deductive reasoning, especially after reading opinions from "the other side" on the matter like: https://20committee.com/2015/07/19/the-painful-truth-about-snowden/
Just read through some of his posts on snowden and maybe you'll think differently about snowden.
>some secrets shouldn't remain secrets
snowden released MILLIONS of documents iirc, PRISM and NSA meta-data collection being only a sliver of the information he dumped.
>>140805839
>>140810625
It's originally from Man Machine Interface
>>140826949
>no sign of leaving Russia
I only got this far and I already question the integrity of the author.
The guy got his citizenship revoked. He didn't even want to go to Russia. He was passing through and got stuck.
If that is used as an argument against him I don't think I need to read the rest of the article.
>>140827045
Fine.
I'm just really triggered at how shit the US is at basic IT security, like the OPM 'hack' (WHY WOULD YOU OUTSOURCE GOV'T IT TO CHINA).
>>140827131
For the record, I think Snowden did 2 huge mistakes.
1) trusting those reporters to keep the leak secret until he was in safety (though this is only a personal problem of his)
2) as you said, releasing data indiscriminately. I guess he was young and very very stupid.
>>140827261
>releasing data indiscriminately
Didn't he try to limit exactly what was leaked? I'm fairly certain he even said he hasn't even released everything, at one point.
>>140827307
Uh, possible.
I doubt he was able to really look through what he was releasing, given the total amount leaked.
>>140826155
>actually defend capitalism
>inb4 you're actually some flavor of Communism Lite or an Anarchist and think that makes you better somehow
>>140827582
Our countries are called democracies.
Does that work democracy doesn't work?
>>140827582
I oppose capitalism, but I don't see any alternatives, unfortunately. I'm not intelligent enough to conceive of a better system, that's for brighter minds.
>>140827617
>Our countries are called democracies.
>Does that work democracy doesn't work?
Could you try that again with a real sentence?
If you're getting at what I think you're getting at, trying to argue that those examples aren't "real" communism is a no true Scotsman fallacy. Marx admitted, and other early communist thinkers readily endorsed, the necessity of a violent revolution and a proletariat dictatorship for "true" communism to be achieved.
>>140827676
>Could you try that again with a real sentence?
Sorry, that first work should have been a "mean". Those damn communists, I tell you. Pushing labor on you at every opportunity.
>trying to argue that those examples aren't "real" communism is a no true Scotsman fallacy.
No, it is not.
A no true Scotsman facility would require that they actually fulfill the criteria of communism.
>to be achieved
Exactly, but not after.
Communism is not a dictatorship.
>>140827582
>that image
Communism, as defined, has never been tried, as anything more than a mask for a military regime, because it's such a pretty concept for people to get roped into a violent revolution.
Not that Communism is that great of an idea anyways.
That said, true democracy hasn't really been tried on a very large scale either, because politicians know the general populace is retarded.
>>140827756
>A no true Scotsman facility
*fallacy.
How shit, holy shit how does that keep happening.
>>140788914
As long as you don't watch the deadpan dub, I agree.
>>140827582
>>140827756
I still don't know what you mean by "our countries". Do you mean Western Europe and America? Eastern Europe? Best Korea?
>that they actually fulfill the criteria of communism.
They do. By defining communism as ONLY Marx's idea of the final stage you're moving the goalposts.
>Exactly, but not after.
>Communism is not a dictatorship.
That's like saying laying a base coat isn't painting because it's not the finished product. Marx identified communism as having multiple stages. A classless, stateless, communal society was simply the last. Before that a state apparatus was seen as a necessary step.
If communist societies either collapse or never advance past the bloody, repressive dictatorship stage then there's clearly a flaw in the ideology. Those communist societies which have survived, and thrived, have done so as they began to unravel the fundamental assumptions of a communist state (like China).
>>140827784
>That said, true democracy hasn't really been tried on a very large scale either
It's also pretty much logistically impossible unless it's at a very small scale or with advanced technology. A small community or a small, rich state could pull it off. But then it'd just succumb to a tyranny of the majority.
>Communism, as defined, has never been tried
There's more than one kind of communism. That's been true ever since people started disagreeing with Marx.
>>140785502
True. People are seeking personal validation from the narrow 2% of films with the largest budgets.
>I would do ANYTHING to see more Asian leads!
>Except watch any foreign film, ew. English only plz
>And I'm not gonna watch your indie film recommendations
>or anything with a small budget
>I want to be exposed to asian actors in my big-budget comic book films, with about 20 layers of CGI filters between us at all times
>step out of your comfort zone Hollywood!
>>140828074
>you're moving the goalposts.
No, I'm not. You are by enforcing that military dictatorships are to be considered communist.
As I said, if they are to be called communist, then the US and western Europe are what defines democracy. That's a silly notion because they are not democratic.
> A classless, stateless, communal society was simply the last.
Yeah, that was communism.
The way there was called socialism.
>If "communist" societies either collapse or never advance past the bloody, repressive dictatorship stage then there's clearly a flaw in the ideology.
In fact there were several communist parties in the west that removed the socialist stage out of their programs after observing Russia.
But socialism in itself has worked, if not permanently. The lack of duration may be attributed to such factors as island status in a sea of capitalism.
>A small community or a small, rich state could pull it off.
So you agree at least on the examples you provided not being the perfect test subjects, what with them being overly large and also badly equipped in terms of infrastructure etc.
>There's more than one kind of communism.
And none of them are dictatorships.
>>140827943
Wow, look at all those failed states! Multiple ones on there that lasted few than 5 years.
If your perfect system falls over from the first breeze, it's a pretty shitty system. You, realistically, share this world with a bunch of people who don't agree with you. If none of your successful examples can cope with armed resistance, then it's not a feasible system.
>>140828300
>>140828300
Our capitalist nations are on the long way down right now.
Don't be too rash to mock failing systems.
>>140828348
wow, countries got into wars it shouldn't have gotten involved in (it took the entire world to take out germany btw), but it took literally no armies to topple communism.
stay mad commie jew fuck
>>140828271
>You are by enforcing that military dictatorships are to be considered communist.
If it's a proletariat dictatorship in which the means of production are seized by the government that represents the interests of low level labor, then yes, it's a form of communism. Deal with it.
>then the US and western Europe are what defines democracy
They are, though. They may also be constitutional monarchies, republics, etc. but they are representative democracies as well.
>The way there was called socialism.
Marx, and other thinkers of the day, tended to use the two terms interchangeably. The proletariat dictatorship was defined as a PART of communism. From the man himself:
>My own contribution was to show . . . that the class struggle necessarily leads to the dictatorship of the proletariat; [and] (3) that this dictatorship, itself, constitutes no more than a transition to the abolition of all classes and to a classless society
Clearly he was wrong, as all of the most "successful" communist communities (those that actually survived longer than a decade) never progressed past dictatorship or, if they did, incorporated elements of capitalism or democracy.
>But socialism in itself has worked, if not permanently
Not well, though. Communist nations have been outperformed (in terms of welfare for most citizens) by most capitalist competitors.
>So you agree at least on the examples you provided not being the perfect test subjects
I was referring to small, rich states and small communities theoretically pulling off direct democracy, not communism. The world isn't ideologically opposed to democracies so they may have a shot at it (not that I think it'd work, given its own shortcomings).
>And none of them are dictatorships.
You should read more actual writing on communism, by communists, than shitty articles at the Jacobin or by modern communists that seek to whitewash their bloody, bloody history.
>>140828348
>implying I'm a fascist
Their shitty track record is the exact reason I'm not. It may work fine until the wars start, but you can't pump up your nation's jingoism that much and get away without waging a self-destructive war.
>basically anyone capable of holding a gun
kek
>>140828368
>Our capitalist nations are on the long way down right now.
We've still got over a century on the best lasting communist nations, so I'll take that as a win.
Of course no system is going to last forever. But choosing systems that have been proven to fail is not progress to whatever comes after our current blend of capitalism.
>>140828507
>represents the interests of low level labor,
Which they didn't.
>it's a form of communism. Deal with it.
Communism is post-dictatorship.
>They are, though.
Only if you think the face of president is more important than the politics.
That's what you get to vote on, after all.
>all of the most "successful" "communist" communities (those that actually survived longer than a decade) never progressed past dictatorship
1) they were not communist.
2) They used the excuse of striving for communism as a legitimization, nothing else.
3) They were everything but transient. That's what made them fail, the unwillingness to change.
If somebody neither is nor wants to be X, then he shouldn't be called X.
>Not well, though.
I would assume so, since the rich countries never tried it.
>"Communist" nations have been outperformed (in terms of welfare for most citizens) by most capitalist competitors.
Again, it was mostly poor countries.
GDR vs FRG is a nice example. One side good huge amounts of money from the US. The other side failed.
>>140828603
>choosing systems that have been proven to fail
>define systems to be other systems which failed
>use that as proof
>>140828753
and what country backed the GDR?
What was their economic system?
Why couldnt they funnel monies to the GDR lile the US did with the Marshall plan?
>>140828884
Because they were poor?
Russia was still struggling to get out of the feudal era at that point.
>>140828926
wow, i guess communism isnt all that cracked up to be if it 'couldnt get russia out of the feudal era' 60 years after the revolution, when it took england and germany a few decades under a capitalist system.
>>140829006
>60 years after the revolution,
That was first years post-war.
Retard.
Afterwards Russia wasted all its wealth trying to keep up with the US in 10 races they couldn't win.
The US didn't have to recover from a war (in fact they got rich from WW2) and the US had splendid infrastructure.
Is it a wonder that they came out on top?
>/a/ - Politics
>>140829117
/a/ - Anime & Manga in the OP; beyond that point anything goes.
>>140829006
Why has east Germany still not caught up with west Germany?
>>140829117
Why are you surprised that a GitS thread ends in politics?
>>140819043
>medical treatments haven't been advanced by man vs man
Wooh boy you're lucky this isn't /his/.
>>140785502
Do we have a leaked script yet so we can see how bad it's going to be for ourselves? I really don't care about people being offended by whitey as, unlike Akira, GiTS is a fairly universal tale.
>>140788639
This.
I couldn't give less of a fuck who is playing who, I don't follow movies enough to care about every actor and actress.
What I do care about is how they are just going to shit all over the source material.
>>140829082
>the war made them poor
okay, why did FRG have a higher per capita GNI than the soviet union, by $10k iirc, well after the marshal plan. both were devastated by the war, so what gives?
>>140829181
being a soviet thrall and having a shit economic system takes a long time to remedy.
>>140829291
>why did FRG have a higher per capita GNI than the soviet union
Better infrastructure and a better level of education couldn't have played a role, right?
>>140820392
>non human brains don't lack instincts
Oh, so you are installing new instincts. You are just imposing new shackles, then.
>you are different than you were 3 mins ago
Oh don't tell me you actually believe consciousness is nonlinear. If ever consciousness stops, that consciousness dies. You aren't getting "A new body", a copy of you is while you die.
>>140820392
>our and your
I can acknowledge that we are the same species while still differentiating our arguments, you know. Is English not your first language? That's a pretty baffling failure of basic comprehension.
>our
The human race's
>your
The arguments which you propose.
>>140829352
I doubt the education bit. GDR seemed on par with FRG in terms of smart krauts, but the engineers couldnt utilize their talents in a system that disincentivized innovation and competition.
again, we've controlled for race, culture, even an influx of cash, and the communist system collapsed just by bordering a capitalist one.
>>140829537
Don't forget the inherent human trait of greed that causes Marx's system to inherently cxorrupt itself at a massive rate!
It's such a massive loophole Marx reasoned that greed was an imposed state caused by capitalist brainwashing.
The whitewashing in Starship Troopers was awesome.
When i saw the movie, the impression I got was white people had genocided out the South Americans and settled on their graves. It's the same creepy sensation I get passing through some rural white town in the Northern US with a Native American name. So, that fit Starship Troopers really well.
It can work for GITS. But the movie is going to suck.
>>140829605
>but argentina's white!
Best S.A.C episodes
Episode 25 of the 1st season is pretty damn thrilling and exciting. What the hell does the Major say to Batou beforeher copies' head gets blown the fuck up
I loved Episode 11 with the Major's backstory when she was a kid and had her 'first love'
>>140829671
>episode 11 for 2nd GIG*
>>140822980
Upper class white kids need something to be offended over so they don't feel guilty about themselves as people, even if it means being offended in the place of others. Yes, it's patronizing, but you can really only feel pity for such people at this point.
>>140829700
>pity
Stop that, disdain or contemppt is much more useful. Don't feel pity for people who make it a point to find things to get angry about for the fleeting feeling of righteousness.
>>140807300
Give up. You'll never be lancedjack tier. Never.
>>140822980
>white
>>140807637
Hi Rupert!
One time they wanted to white wash a movie adaptation of a comic about a Chinese Hawaiian superhero.
Said comic book had a big arc involving protags born in China grandfather and getting him to realize that he's been in Hawaii longer then China and that Hawaii is his home.
>>140830553
jackie chan adventures?
should just do an aeon flux reboot and sprinkle some ghost in the shell on it
>>140824779
FUCKING FIRE BOMB THESE RACIST GOOKS, JESUS FUCKING CHRIST. I HOPE ALL OF THESE JAP MOTHERFUCKERS GET CANCER AND DIE PAINFULLY.
>>140785502
No, I just fucking hate that kike Johanson. I'd be cool with an attractive, non-kike white woman.
She's not even white.
>>140829537
You are equating GDR and soviet union?
>>140822980
>popular white actress
>white actress
>white
need more handicrafts than Avatar a shit if use CG
