![[HorribleSubs] Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress - 01v2 [720p].mkv_snapshot_19.42_[2016.04.24_15.00.41].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/mLRoXmT.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress - 01v2 [720p].mkv_snapshot_19.42_[2016.04.24_15.00.41].jpg")
>Anime in 80s/90s
>lots of shading and detail
>slowly gets phased out because it takes too much time and money
>anime in 2000s is all flat colour shit
>anime in 2010s is flat colour shit but now they don't even draw the cars anymore
>suddenly Kabaneri
>suddenly 4 tone shading out of nowhere
How did this even happen? The story is so so, but looks-wise, it's better than anything airing. Does it just have a huge budget or something?
What happened?
>shadeposting
I want to fuck Mumei.
>>140616763
Ok, name five tv shows with constant three-tone shading from the eighties and nineties. Constant, not high-detail closeups and stills. Go on, I'll wait.
No high budget OVAs or movies allowed.
![Dangaioh OVA 02 - Spiral Knuckle In Tears.mkv_snapshot_02.18_[2015.07.11_16.57.50].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Bf1Nd2Q.jpg "Dangaioh OVA 02 - Spiral Knuckle In Tears.mkv_snapshot_02.18_[2015.07.11_16.57.50].jpg")
>>140616845
Let's make shadeposting a thing.
Yes it has a huge budget. Dem Amazon bux
>>140616971
I'm not sure it's so much the total value of the amazon money as it was the guaranteed nature of it meaning that spending more on the show was less of a risk.
But it looks amazing.
>>140616908
Machine Robo: Revenge of Chronos
Slam Dunk
Dragonball Z
Saint Seiya
Hokuto no Ken's later seasons
>>140616763
It's a return to form and i love it.
A crazy popcorn action thriller with zombies in a steam punk esque japan with interesting weapons and shit.
Reminds me of ninja scroll in some ways except the characters are good here.
Looks like shading's back on the menu, boys!
>>140617102
I remember getting insulted and called a retard for saying this looks great right after episode 1 aired
I mean jesus
![[DBNL] Dragon Box Z (DBZ) - 101 - I'm Staying on This Planet!! A Final Wish Towards Victory [x264].mkv_snapshot_17.23_[2015.11.25_01.36.19].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/A6o74lC.jpg "[DBNL] Dragon Box Z (DBZ) - 101 - I'm Staying on This Planet!! A Final Wish Towards Victory [x264].mkv_snapshot_17.23_[2015.11.25_01.36.19].jpg")
>mfw shading
Otaking was right
>>140617255
Why does this look bad?
Didn't the recent God Eater anime also have 4 shading?
Am I a pleb for preferring no shading? They look too real. I don't want the characters to look real. Why would I want to escape to something that looks like reality?
The darker tone in the 90's ovas still looks better than this shit, also, the art style is fucking atrocious, fuck this gay show.
SHADING MAKES MY DICK
ROCK
HARD
>>140617321
It doesn't.
It looks great.
>anime in 2010s is flat colour shit but now they don't even draw the cars anymore
It's like you haven't watched anything in the past decade.
>>140617369
Yeah.
>>140617356
That was 3D using a toon shader.
Same as this method:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhGjCzxJV3E
>>140616763
>>Anime in 80s/90s
>>lots of shading and detail
Yeah, sure. Now move to consider how shitty and choppy the animation was.
>>140617143
>Dragonball Z
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>140617485
Oh I see, I never bothered to watch it so I wasn't sure.
![The.Transformers.The.Movie.1986.1080p.BluRay.DD5.1.x264-CtrlHD.mkv_snapshot_00.20.25_[2015.07.02_00.44.09].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/tDNtTZG.jpg "The.Transformers.The.Movie.1986.1080p.BluRay.DD5.1.x264-CtrlHD.mkv_snapshot_00.20.25_[2015.07.02_00.44.09].jpg")
>>140616763
Why do unrealistic shadows look so good?
I mean one of the worst aspects of CG is that the shadows actually move how they are supposed to.
![Megazone 23 Part II [OnDeed] [2441270C].mkv_snapshot_00.46.14_[2016.01.01_21.56.32].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/F0LMBPr.jpg "Megazone 23 Part II [OnDeed] [2441270C].mkv_snapshot_00.46.14_[2016.01.01_21.56.32].jpg")
>>140617516
YOU GOT THE TOUCH
YOU GOT THE POWER
![The.Transformers.The.Movie.1986.1080p.BluRay.DD5.1.x264-CtrlHD.mkv_snapshot_00.22.22_[2015.07.02_00.44.51].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/PVWb1n7.jpg "The.Transformers.The.Movie.1986.1080p.BluRay.DD5.1.x264-CtrlHD.mkv_snapshot_00.22.22_[2015.07.02_00.44.51].jpg")
>>140617625
No.
>>140617616
It's flashy and kinda of gives the rule of cool vibe to it.
>>140616763
They're using CG for shading in some fashion.
>>140617616
Style.
The same with stylised animation vs rotoscoped traced animation. Rotoscoped looks completely real because it's traced from real movements, but stylised animation looks way better because there are no constraints.
>>140617616
Because it is cool and gives that dark noir-esque feel to the anime. Makes it look more like an old film.
>>140617680
>kyoani
>ever not looking great
It's a shame that that is really all their shows have going for them.
But damn if they don't look outstanding.
![Neo_Tokyo_[H264_AC3]_[C659B3E8]_[v2].mkv_snapshot_14.22_[2014.01.31_02.15.41].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/yq3v5Nn.jpg "Neo_Tokyo_[H264_AC3]_[C659B3E8]_[v2].mkv_snapshot_14.22_[2014.01.31_02.15.41].jpg")
>>140617790
>>140617680
Hibike was amazing. Next piece soon.
>>140616845
Why does WIT use 4 tone shading?
Hokuto no Ken looked so fucking good. It's shocking to watch the first episode and then watch episode 50 or something. The progression is remarkable.
Now the opposite's true. One piece and Naruto started out looking competent and 400 episodes in look like Deviantart-tier.
>>140617321
It reminds me of bible black.
Hentai always brought the shading back then.
>>140617369
>They look too real.
I'm afraid that you don't even remember what the real world looks like, anon
>>140617975
Hokuto Ken was a slideshow for most of the series.
>>140617493
>AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>140617616
>I mean one of the worst aspects of CG is that the shadows actually move how they are supposed to
I actually love this
I will never understand the hate hate for CG, it is superior to both 3D and 2D
thisisbait.jpg
>flat tone babbies on full damage control suicide watch
Shading has returned, comrades!
Shading in the 80s and 90s was fucking shit. It had no respect of any light source hald of the time and was just there for the sake of it. Not to mention the even shittier frame rate.
Not only that, for every heavily shaded OVA that fuckwits like OP are thinking of, there's a dozen unshaded, shittier TV anime.
>>140618132
It's a shitty imitation of 3D and nowhere near as cool as 2D.
It just looks stiff as fuck.
>>140618245
See >>140618221
So is this show just a prettier Attack on Titan or something?
>>140618290
It's objectively better.
>>140618290
Yes. But it's not based on a manga so maybe this will actually have some kind of resolution or maybe even an ending!
>>140617280
You are retard and deserve to be insulted. Kabaneri looks like shit and shading is very sloppy.
If you want proper shading, could have brought God Eater as example - as shit the show was, Ufotable actually did their homework unlike WIT, that seems to hire random koreans and told them to slap random shades on characters regardless of style or lightning.
>>140618314
>>140618335
Sounds good to me!
>>140618290
No, it's actually good
It's a rare combination of looking good and actually being good.
Why is shading so manly?
>>140618221
I still can't believe that people think Hosodas movies look good.
>>140618399
SUICIDE
WATCH
>>140617485
>That was 3D using a toon shader.
Do you have some proof of that?
>>140618439
Try fucking watching the show, dumbass.
>>140616763
>OP is unironically equating art quality to the number of layers of shading
Nothing like plebs talking about shit like they have taste
>>140618289
Flat tones are equally shit. Summer Wars, like in >>140618221 is a perfect example of why it is so shit.
Autistic shadebabbies think >>140617617 is good. It's fucking hilarious how bad that is. Shadebabbies need to actually turn a light on once every so often to see how shadows are cast instead of having a 2010 otaking tier obsession with black lines.
>>140618430
They have so-so animation and that's it.
>>140617485
It didn't use any 3D shaders at all. The characters and weapons in the God Eater anime are hand-drawn.
>>140618399
God Eater looked like shit.
>>140618439
You could use your eyes
>>140618399
I fucking love Ufotable, but God Eater looked so bad it's not even funny.
>>140618516
>muh realism
>>140618290
I think the Attack on Titan connection may be overstated. It's a lot like zombie movies too.
>>140616763
>Anime in 80s/90s
>lots of shading and detail
>has only watched a dozen shows from before the 00s
![[Grohotun.com] Kaiba 09 - Warp Attacks! [1280x720 H.264].mp4_snapshot_11.27_[2016.04.23_18.13.39].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/05SXCWM.jpg "[Grohotun.com] Kaiba 09 - Warp Attacks! [1280x720 H.264].mp4_snapshot_11.27_[2016.04.23_18.13.39].jpg")
>>140618265
you just haven't seen above garbage-tier CG
it actually is smoother than 2D when you don't sacrifice framerate, and better looking than 3D when it isn't trying to look like 3D
>>140618503
>>140618554
I have watched it. I don't see any evidence of it being 3D.
![cap_Hokuto no Ken 106 (DVD 640x476 x264 10bit AC3) [85F363F7]_00_09_03_03.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/3cEUmzT.jpg "cap_Hokuto no Ken 106 (DVD 640x476 x264 10bit AC3) [85F363F7]_00_09_03_03.jpg")
>>140618079
A badass slideshow.
>>140618529
How did they manage to make it look like bad 3D trying to look like 2D?
>>140618663
Might as well read the manga then. Shows that don't take advantage of the animated medium are worthless.
>>140618439
Don't you have eyes?
Go watch some making of videos on Youtube.
>>140618663
I would rather they spent more time on storyboard consistency and animation rather than shading honestly.
It is an exchange which must be accounted for.
>>140618640
Post an example.
The most decent one I can think of is the Eva Rebuilds which still look like shit
>>140617957
A lot of quality for a shounen ripoff
>>140616763
Out of those four characters only Eren looks somewhat cool. What's the point of four-tone shading if you're shading bland cookie-cutter shit.
>>140618677
I beg to differ about it looking like bad 3D, but that aside it's down to digital colouring. You can do a lot of things with it.
>>140618696
Feel free to point me to these making of videos then.
Looking at ANN, the show is credited with key and in-between animation production companies, and some of the clips on Sakugabooru are credited with who animated them. This is not how 3D animation is done.
>>140618726
Not him but Show By Rock had good CGI
>>140618696
3D models are too consistent for their own good.
>>140618726
I used to think it was decent, until I gave it a good look.
>>140616763
trace over cgi.
hire lots of vietnamese.
>>140616763
why is the mc such a faggot?
>>140618726
I'm not talking about 3D used in something trying to be 2D. Look at some of the CG FF movies
If this was made like 20 years ago it would no doubt be a classic right now.
>>140617356
god eater looked like shit.
![[HorribleSubs] JoJo's Bizarre Adventure - Diamond is Unbreakable - 04 [720p].mkv_snapshot_01.33_[2016.04.22_19.48.47].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/BPoFd6m.jpg "[HorribleSubs] JoJo's Bizarre Adventure - Diamond is Unbreakable - 04 [720p].mkv_snapshot_01.33_[2016.04.22_19.48.47].jpg")
>shadingfags
>>140618849
A lot of anime made 20-30 years ago were pretty bad. They're just fortunate that there wasn't so much competition that the few good ones god more praise than they deserve.
>>140618877
>lousy friends
>>140616763
>suddenly Kabaneri
>suddenly 4 tone shading out of nowhere
Then why does it look like garbage?
>>140617485
Thesr are some really mighty dick sucking lips
>>140618800
There are even some pictures of the raw key animation lying around on the internet.
http://yoshi-x2.tumblr.com/post/125688848340/some-god-eater-genga-currently-on-display-in
>>140616763
>>Anime in 80s/90s
>>lots of shading and detail
Reminder, not all anime.
>>140618950
How does it look like garbage?
The only reason not to shade your shows is if you're cheap and don't care about quality.
I'm glad that horrendous "superflat" trend died. Tekkikonkreet had such good backgrounds, ruined by shit looking characters with no shadows at all.
>>140618950
>Then why does it look like garbage?
Nobody said it was up to 80s OVA standards. Those infinite money days are never coming back. But it's a step in the right direction.
>>140618848
You are joking, Advent children aged like shit. Sure it looked impressive when it came out
>>140619012
The shading is inconsistent and doesn't fit with the digital laden environment. It's not like G-Reco and Lupin Part IV which actually feels old school
>>140617485
the characters and weapons were done in 2d
also that (shading technique) in the video is only used in real time, in 3D anime they mostly use a software called Pencil+
>>140619004
Well, there you go.
God Eater looks like it could conceivably be 3D if you look at it on a frame by frame basis, but it doesn't move like 3D.
>>140619021
No? I just rewatched it last summer, it still holds up. Anyone who likes 2D, with it's plethora of unrealistic and simplified shapes, shouldn't have a problem with "aging" of CG. Maybe i just have a different perspective of this, but the only CG that actually looks bad to me is when it's used in 3DPD movies
>>140619015
>But it's a step in the right direction
Found the retard
>>140616763
>Tries to hard to be retro
>gets it all wrong
WIT can't do anything right
Based otaking was right all along.
If only he'd lived to see the return of shading!
>>140619140
I guess it just goes into another category altogether, since it loses so much of what makes anime anime. Simplification, not aiming for realism, style, exaggeration.
>>140618516
>muh chinese cartoons need to look realistic
>what is visual style
>what is artistic license
I bet you hated how Ping Pong looked, too, you flaming faggot
>>140616763
Because most anime rely on having something else to sell aside being pretty.
>>140619309
Huh, what's wrong with Otaking!?
>>140619309
Otaking grew out of it. He still likes shading, even a bit too much, but he isn't the fanatic that some people on /m/AL are.
He is, however, getting pretty good at animating his own stuff.
>>140619317
Maybe we're not talking about the same things. That said, i still like well done CG in anime, see the jojo openings, or majestic prince. In mecha anime, CG is always preferable to 2D for the action scenes, because 2D looks like shit in mecha battles.
>>140619309
>2015 has 4 tone shading
>1996 has 3
>>140619471
the battles in TTGL looked just fine without CG
>>140619471
>majestic prince. In mecha anime, CG is always preferable to 2D for the action scenes, because 2D looks like shit in mecha battles.
Yeah, no we are talking about the same thing. I just could not disagree any harder. CG is absolute garbage.
>>140618503
>>140618554
>>140618696
>guy asks for proof
>w-well just use your eyes
That's not fucking proof.
Otaking thread hijack:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VemfyQ67Y4Y&lc=z13qzvzgrob1ue2kkom0sjnhplmbf5r01
>>140619471
>In mecha anime, CG is always preferable to 2D for the action scenes, because 2D looks like shit in mecha battles.
>Not enjoying a show's aesthetic purely based on the aesthetic itself and not any specific adherence or non-adherence to an art style
I like both shading and superflat depending on if it's done well, suck it fags.
>>140619542
That's because the mechas had organic style to them, with the teeth and eyes, so changing and bending fit their designs. Also, gainax almost always nails mecha movement perfectly. But for anime like gundam, and pretty much any mecha show where the mechs are meant to look very industrialized and mechanic, having 2D, which changes with every frame, looks bad. Still, almost any 2D animation has QUALITY moments where characters morph and change, which is something i really hate looking at. That said, I'm not exactly a 2D purist, so i don't mind mixing it up
>>140619658
I want to dirty those pears.
>>140619680
Obsessing is the only problem with it, yeah.
>>140619554
>>140619658
I just don't like the inconsistency in 2D when it comes to combat
>>140616763
Mumei's foot is the best thing this season.
>>140619605
How can one animator be so talented?
>>140619652
The power of nuclear shading.
>>140619680
Kill yourself, kid.
>>140619652
>that "smoothing" filter
Why would anyone do this.
Reminder that this is what the unaltered footage looks like.
*cough*
>>140619605
Doesn't this guy just trace 3D animation?
>>140619953
>2-toned shading
Weak shit.
Will a Gundam show ever live up to 0083's visuals?
>>140619605
I'm glad he finally bought a copy of animators survival kit, after people spent years on /m/ suggesting it.
His stuff is still wonky, but it's getting much smoother since he stopped relying on rotoscoping.
>>140620012
Thunderbolt
>>140620035
Someone should suggest him Loomis.
>>140620035
His R-Type animation is looking pretty sweet;
https://twitter.com/OtaKing77077
Distinct tones are fucking weak shit when is japan going to get it together and make a fully painted and rendered anime.
>>140620012
For all its faults G-Reco at least looked great. Thunderbolt looks fucking amazing.
>>140619793
By god that Gunbuster picture looks good.
>>140617143
>Slam Dunk
My fucking god, haha. How blind are you? Slam Dunk had more stills than the latest Monogatari season, it also didn't have consistent shading.
>>140619652
>right eye lights up
>shadow over left eye, facing light source, is completely dark
why can't nips into lighting?
>>140619713
>characters morph and change, which is something i really hate looking at.
Sounds like you don't like hand-drawn animation at all.
Girls look cuter without shading
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok2369YY2P8
>>140620370
Sometimes doing the accurate thing isn't the right thing.
why can't you into art
>>140620549
You sure? Because Mumei has been the best looking girl I've seen in anime for some time.
>>140620527
I can appreciate it, but it has to be really consistent, or really well styled. For example, redline has designs that constantly change during the scenes, and the entire animation style is done turning hand drawn inconsistency into art. But for the most part, i can't stand looking at inconsistency
>>140620770
>why are you posting shading in a shading thread?
here's your reply, attention whore
>>140620770
Anon, looking pretty is what kyoani is good for.
>>140620813
>giving her attention
You know better.
>>140620638
Her face is relatively unshaded, that's the important part. Cute faces are simple and smooth.
>>140618289
OVA
>>140620850
>flat shading
>pretty
are you blind?
>>140620370
Even if the shot does contain an error, it is not representative of the entire anime industry. And if you say the Japanese cannot into lighting then you must be implying that others can... but who?
>>140620770
>le kyoanus meme
Much epic.
>>140620850
You mean slapping photoshop filters on everything to distract from the shitty plot is what they are good for.
Good shading.
>>140621023
There is more to filmmaking than "plot," and they aren't trying to "distract" you from something just because you don't like it.
>>140621024
Yes, Haruhi, Lucky Star and K-On are clearly very obscure anime.
>>140620638
>>140621039
Fake shading.
>>140621099
>>140621168
Kill yourself.
>>140621023
Nichijou and Hibike Euphonium are two very good looking anime.
It's a shame that they are completely intolerable to watch though.
>derailed into kyoani shitposting
Every time.
>>140621168
How is it fake?
>>140621056
SHAFT is too good.
>>140621214
True shading must be hand-painted.
KyoAni uses photoshop filter.
>flat tone
>bad
wew senpaitachi
>>140616845
This is good, gonna use this.
>>140621294
you know that this show has the worst art of all anime right?
You know people only watch this for the amazing story
>>140621277
It is hand-painted. How does a Photoshop filter even autogenerate lighting and shading?
>>140621347
Some people try to pass it of as art style.
>>140621408
It is an art style.
>>140621347
>opinions
>>140621381
>filter->glow
>filter->blur->lens bur
done
>>140621432
See what I mean
>>140616845
>Liking forced shading
![Yu.Yu.Hakusho.-.099.-.1080p.BluRay.x264.DHD.mkv_snapshot_20.04_[2016.03.31_14.53.51].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/cKjGOmg.jpg "Yu.Yu.Hakusho.-.099.-.1080p.BluRay.x264.DHD.mkv_snapshot_20.04_[2016.03.31_14.53.51].jpg")
Is this the shadeposting thread?
>>140621381
>It is hand-painted
You are stupid.
>>140621443
I think glow effects were physical lighting tricks in the cel animation era, not hand-painted.
And I thought we were talking about the lighting and shading on the character.
>>140621485
It is an art style whether you like it or not. I don't even like it, but I'm still not going to pretend they didn't do it intentionally.
>>140621550
Ok, then explain how they used Photoshop filters to autogenerate the lighting and shading.
![Only Yesterday (Omoide Poro-poro) - Audio multi - Sub multi - 720p.mkv_snapshot_00.48.10_[2016.04.24_12.16.46].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/i6mMD0v.jpg "Only Yesterday (Omoide Poro-poro) - Audio multi - Sub multi - 720p.mkv_snapshot_00.48.10_[2016.04.24_12.16.46].jpg")
>>140616908
OVAs are basically the equivalent of modern latenight anime though, aka 90% of the shit /a/ watches.
CG or lazy paintbucket-tier backgrounds are the worst thing about modern shows. Actual shading doesn't matter much as long as the character designs are well done and the style meshes well.
>>140621701
Modern shows have really good background art.
>>140621507
Dumb shadeposter.
>>140621586
>Ok, then explain how they used Photoshop filters to autogenerate the lighting and shading
Easy as shit, mate.
>>140621701
you do realize that most people are complaining about the shading of the characters not background
in fact, backgrounds has been getting progressively better
>>140621907
>>140621277
So?
>muh superior nippon hands
ISHYGDDT
>>140621701
>paintbucket-tier backgrounds
What shows are you even talking about? If anything the biggest problem is most shows have BGs that are just paintovers of photographs but even then they mostly look pretty good anyway.
>>140621277
If you've seen the raw key animation for Hibike, you can see the shading on the drawings.
>>140621855
>Dumb X poster
Can this meme become a bannable offense? That would be great.
>>140621907
What am I supposed to be looking at here?
Also, why would anyone use Photoshop for creating shading when it's a lot easier and faster to do it during the animation process?
>>140622001
That's bullshit.
>>140622044
>it's a lot easier and faster to do it during the animation process
Fucking retard.
You can literally apply the shadow to every frame with 3 mouse-clicks.
>>140616763
Amazon Prime budget + WIT Studio = greatness
It's just forced shading.
>>140622044
>Can this meme become a bannable offense?
Dumb banposter
>>140622088
This one shows instrument shading, but it's the same idea.
You guys realize most anime these days are adaptations of other things right?
The original artstyle usually doesn't have shading to begin with
Like yuruyuri
>>140622218
>>140622217
lol that's cg rotoscope
>>140616763
Honestly I think most old anime looks like ass, more detail/shading or no.
>>140622139
Or so you claim.
And if they're doing it all on computer then why is there shading in the genga?
>>140622217
>>140622218
Anon, you are arguing with someone giving one line replies, without any argument other than refuting you by fiat. It's not worth the trouble.
>>140622259
You're face is rotoscoped CG
>>140622217
>>140622218
Based GodAni is the greatest studio of all time
>>140622259
>damage control
wew lad
>>140622314
>genga
>look at me i'm so smart I use Nihonese word
kill yourself
>And if they're doing it all on computer then why is there shading in the genga?
Because those are real production drawings.
They're made to sell at the shop.
>>140622271
Yeah same here
>>140618516
nobody cares about shading because it's 'realistic'.
people like excessive shading since it looks cool as fuck.
>>140622426
Why does using Japanese words offend you?
>Because those are real production drawings.
>They're made to sell at the shop.
Huh?
>>140622218
So much effort for such a subpar show. Kind of sad.
Reminder to ignore and report shitty bait.
>>140622426
>Because those are real production drawings.
>They're made to sell at the shop.
Looks like we've got ourselves a ruseman here.
>>140621507
Yes.
>>140622495
>Why does using Japanese words offend you?
Because there's an English word for it: key animation.
Fuck, I hate sakugafags.
Shading isn't the issue for me, I just don't like digital colouring very much.
>>140622592
SAKUGA
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Because Mikimoto returned to save anime.
>>140622592
Genga seems to be understood to refer to the raw animation drawings, not completed animation. So it's more precise.
>>140622592
Cry more gaijin wwwwwww
>>140622044
>Can this meme become a bannable offense? That would be great.
Sounds like someone enjoys using images of Sakura.
>>140622775
>raw animation drawings, not completed animation
That's exactly what key animation means, you fucking idiot.
>>140621492
This man is my hero.
>>140622880
Key animation could also refer to finished animation, not just the raw drawings.
>>140622217
Goddamn Hibike was incredible. Hope S2 can top it.
>>140622931
key frame != key animation
>>140622931
No it couldn't.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Finished animation = cleaned up keys and inbtweens.
>>140622992
>Finished animation = cleaned up keys and inbtweens.
Tell that to shaft
>>140616845
Not bad, not bad at all
>>140622977
Why are you telling me this?
>>140622992
I am talking about genga being more specific and less ambiguous.
>Finished animation = cleaned up keys and inbtweens.
I meant cleaned up and finished key frames.
I don't remember the last time someone got this mad about someone using a Japanese word.
The anime industry is a dead horse.
Nobody will invest into it except for big OVAs/movies.
Only retards still care about anime, instead of just going for the medium manga.
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>>140618692
Well, you still have amazing voice work for the characters as far as I'm concerened. Also the OP is great.
I don't really care if there isn't much animation, Berserk for instance is an anime I really like.
If the characters/ story aren't interesting good animation doesn't mean anything either.
Is it gory
>>140616763
Unicorn Gundam's success probably had some influence.
Although it didn't use shadding to such a degree most of the time.
>>140621759
>>140621944
>>140621989
Modern anime backgrounds are 99% of the time completely done on computers. If you think those look better than handpainted and watercolored backgrounds you should off yourself.
>>140623309
>digishit '''''''''''shading''''''''''''
As bad as kyoanal.
>>140623309
Unicorn had 1 year per episode
>Retarded assburgers discussing about simplified drawings
It's all about the money or to be more precise the lack of it.
>>140623409
Your point?
>>140623170
OVAs are practically dead, there are as many as 50 new shows coming out every three months, anime productions are striking deals with businesses left and right and Western companies now want to invest in anime production too.
>>140623349
Digital does not equal bad and traditional painting does not equal good.
>>140623442
There's plenty of money, but Japs are woefully inefficient with said money and a shit economy means that the money they do get, isn't worth a lot.
It's also that anime is just a means to and end nowadays. Back when, they were the main product. Now it's glorified advertising revenue for another product, whether it is a game, light novel, visual novel, manga, etc. When the anime is the main product, it will strive to be better. When it's a sideshow, it is treated as such.
>>140619953
Flat black shades
I love that shit. Maybe because if it happens in "normal" show, you know situation is going to get badass
>>140623528
>there are as many as 50 new shows coming out every three months
And?
Quality over quantity
>>140623409
And it's still poorly made.
>>140623528
Looks shit. Anyone could make them after an hour or two of reading tutorials about Photoshop. Old backgrounds and shading required talent.
>>140623528
Detailed does not equal good either.
Most anime is produced outsides of Nippon now.
Glorious outsourcing
>>140618820
>3D models are too consistent for their own good.
At least a few studios are at least learning to deform models when necessary for perspective shots.
>>140623349
>Modern anime backgrounds are 99% of the time completely done on computers
Prove it you fucking faggot, I'm so sick of these bullshit statistic with no facts behind them.
Some studios like SHAFT use digital backgrounds, others like KyoAni use a mixture of both, and some are completely hand-painted.
>>140623643
>At least a few studios are at least learning to deform models when necessary for perspective shots.
Oh, that's really cool, actually. It's good to see that the use of CG is progressing in that way.
>>140623535
The very first anime, Astro Boy, was adapted from a manga and made back its production costs through character licensing and product placement.
"Advertising" is really just another meme because people think it almost literally means an advertisement, when it doesn't. It just means the publisher's intent is to promote their work, but it doesn't tell us anything about the quality of the work and what the actual producers of the anime were thinking. The publisher does not create the anime, they hire professionals to do it.
>>140623577
If anime is so dead and nobody is investing, why are there so many shows coming out?
>>140623579
>Looks shit.
You are just saying that so you don't have to admit you're wrong.
>Anyone could make them after an hour or two of reading tutorials about Photoshop.
Complete horseshit.
>>140623601
Yeah yeah yeah.
>>140623620
How many anime can you name that were produced outside of Japan? I've not heard of any.
>>140623664
Traditional media is dead, dude. Everyone knows that. Maybe one show per season decides to use handpainted background to be "different". And Kyoanus just traces photos and use photoshop filters.
>>140623579
>Looks shit. Anyone could make them after an hour or two of reading tutorials about Photoshop
Do it right now, I'll wait.
>talent
Nice, I bet you can't even hold a fucking pencil you stupid retard.
Protip: Talent doesn't exist.
>>140623577
>Quality over quantity
Having 20 less shows this season wouldn't make the other 20 better. That's not how it works.
>>140623528
Why so bright?
One thing i hate in new anime is using too bright tones that makes swathing show in dark room painful for eyes. Fuck, it's like old shows used black to cover lacks of details and new ones uses white to do the same.
>>140623844
>>140623758
>Nuh uh, you do it.
As expected of modern anime apologists.
>>140623795
Everyone uses Photoshop or something like that now. Anime production is digital. Kyoani isn't doing anything special.
