So, now that high fantasy is a trend on anime agian, what are the chances of cyberpunk returning too?
>NEET is transported inside of a postapocalypse setting game.
>Neet is transported to a world that happens to be like a postapocalypse. The world has videogame rules.
>>140616211
the live action GitS will kill cyberpunk forever next year.
>>140616439
>Kill cyberpunk
>Not see a bunch of it after the genre is devalued, making rights cheap.
Why would you need cyberpunk in anime if you can have cyberpunk by opening your front door?
>>140616572
>opening your front door
Triggered
>>140616211
I fear we are going to get so much cyberpunk within the next few years that you will wish it hadn't come back. They are still talking Blade Runner sequels and shit.
But we're already living in the grim and dark cyberpunk dystopia IRL
>>140616211
Cant wait for cyberpunk 2077
Cyberpunk needed (and needs) to go through the process of becoming mainstream. Adding commercials to silly products, having a shitty aesthetic and having generic flat characters.
I love the irony! Soon people will see that the genre of cyberpunk as a parody of itself. Once that happens the self aware will burst from the cocoon that has been spray painted and labeled with monster energy drinks and government propaganda and pit forth good cyberpunk.
Because the best cyberpunk have always taken place during the afterglow of the technology boom. We are at the generation of tech where everything is hopeful and nothing can go wrong!
And then something wrong happens and we go full dystopia. Of course we aren't going to get the proper dystopian stuff yet. We still have to enjoy our cash in video games made entirely by interns, Have sugary carbonated drinks with rats left in the cans, have entire sky scrapers used for marketing the new "feel good" movie.
I love this era because the lies are so easy to distinguish itself from the truth. If you take mirrors edge, age it by 20 years then you would have your blade runner. Until then you must let society enjoy it's time in the sun.
>>140618059
Only 61 years to go.
>>140618501
I was going to say fuck you for wishing this evil upon us but you're actually right.
>>140618643
You still have E.Y.E Divine cybermancy if you want to kill some time.
>>140618501
So you're saying that cyberpunk as a genre will reach its zenith once the cyberpunk genre is trash and creators realize it? I can feel that.
As for the rest, I feel like we're definitely on the edge of reaching the point where cyberpunk isn't about shitto futures, but transforms into plain old social commentary about the present. Maybe that's why it's suddenly so popular again.
>>140618749
But we aren't in cyberpunk yet. We are literally living in the ghost in the shell: ARISE era.
Everyone is happy still. Aren't you happy anon? Why aren't you happy? The bad times haven't begun yet.
>>140618840
Will 4chan be the first place to go, or the last, when the bad times start?
>>140616211
>now that high fantasy is a trend on anime agian
But it isn't. One show does not make a trend.
>>140616211
Anime has never been much for realism, so it dried up a bit once we started living in the cyberpunk dystopia.
We just have less cool cyborgs and VR and stuff.
>>140618916
Go to reddit.
I mean that because it's most likely that the government will use it as a platform for opinions that they will desire you to have.
So if suddenly reddit starts hating Islam and China, that's a good indication that we will soon be going to war with either.
4chan to keep your sanity. Sexbots and oculus rift to keep you occupied before Yellowstone erupts or something.
>>140618840
>Why aren't you happy?
Oh shit. We're in the Psycho Pass universe, aren't we?
We do agree that SAC is not Cyberpunk right ?
>>140618945
What do you mean 1? We have at least 12. And they are all doing well enough as is.
Soon the market will crash, just like the moeblob era
Cyberpunk is a sub-genre of science fiction and sci-fi is becoming our daily life at ever increasing pace. Looking back at most futuristic visions from the 90's (let alone older ones) they don't feel futuristic at all - they are poor designed, impractical or ever outdated, compared to present day technology.
>>140619051
We have barely touched into any real propaganda. The US has been compromised by Saudi oil princes to give positive opinion on Muslims. We are right now in a second cold war. And the government is at arms with itself. Dystopia usually a civil issue. We are at war with other countries still.
>>140619148
What now? I don't know any abbreviated terms. Just spell the whole thing man.
>>140619180
The aesthetics of cybertech was always obvious, even blatant, in its depiction of the inhumanity of its appearance.
It's not surprise that such models were not followed.
Functionality, of course, remains far beyond most expectations.
>>140618059
I hope it's good.
>>140619180
why does the dark one make my dick harder?
>>140620518
Purple hair had always worked better on dark skinned girls. It's probably a pallette thing.
>>140616211
At this point cyberpunk is just a collection of cliches. We know the future predicted in cyberpunk is clearly wrong, so the only appeal is that it's cyberpunk. It no longer serves any purpose in presenting a possible future. It is just cyberpunk.
>>140621268
It's not QUITE at the Raygun Gothic level, there's still a chance! A chance!
>>140616572
>No flying cars
>No clones
>No acid raind or nuclear winters
>No cyborgs
>No genetically enhanced superhumans
Science have failed us and that's the reason we have so much fantasy works nowdays. Now people rather belive in fantasy because science won't provide anyway
gimme good cyberpunk animes!
>>140621268
I think that shouldn't be a handicap. If you watch any old cyberpunk series is still cool despite viewing it from todays point of view.
So we could also have new series with that setting, it having shitty tech compared to tech we already have doesn't really affect the quality of the story or characters
>>140622171
An important part of cyberpunk is the worldbuilding, and that doesn't seem realistic. You can still have awesome cyberpunk themed stuff, but it loses the social criticism.
[by the way I'm in no way a cyberpunk expert, I've only watched a very few cyberpunk anime and read some definitions online]
A problem with cyberpunk is that it's too optimistic about the future. It overestimates the awesome technology and underestimates the bad technology. There won't be any "government vs. corporations", as we can see the real future is "government & corporation vs people". The terrorists we are supposed to cheer for, well in real life they are impossible thanks to total surveyance. And cyberpunk assumes there is a middle class to protect, which seems more and more unlikekly. Cyberpunk will look like a utopia compared to reality in 30 years.
>>140616211
If Kabaneri sells enough, maybe.
>>140621996
Manabi Straight
>>140621996
Boku no pico 2nd GIG
>>140623185
I don't know where you got your definition of cyberpunk from anon. It's not about "government vs corps" and not at all about protecting middle classes.
It's about a character freeing himself from a corrupted society. GitS, Bladerunner, Neuromancer, Dark City and Gunnm all have that element. It's very much about the MC going his/her own way.
The society critic is of course there, but the corrupted corporated/totalitarian society is more like some kind of trial the MC has to face or backdrop for the story. The main point being that it's a universe where humans have lost their value due to science and corporatism.
>>140616211
Has everyone already forgotten about the recent cyberpunk trilogy full of authentic GRAINY GOODNESS.
>>140621908
>No flying cars
Flying cars have always been a terrible idea. Idiots can't even handle cars in two dimensions. Increasing to three will be a massacre.
We have self-driving cars though.
>No clones
Clones are coming soon thanks to China. All hail the honorable chairman.
>No acid rain or nuclear winters
The former is more cyberpunk than the latter. The latter is more apocalypse fiction. But yeah, we have pollution. But not cool pollution.
>No cyborgs
We have these. They are getting more and more advanced. We also have power suits on the cusp of actually being industrially useful.
>No genetically enhanced superhumans
Wait until China's clone program starts pumping out chinese people who are very close to being six foot.
>>140624222
We do have acid rains though, but if I remember correctly it's mainly in places like South America. I wouldn't be surprised if they also have some in China.
Did China legalize human cloning though ? I know we can clone animals and that how we intend to preserve some species, but I don't remember China ever opening a human cloning program. Everyone would have heard of it.
>>140623185
>A problem with cyberpunk is that it's too optimistic about the future
>>140624222
Flying cars are a bit ridiculous if people have to become pilots. The self driving "air roads" are a bit better though, but limit the freedom of flying in the first place .
The problem with cyberpunk is that some people want it to be a neon power fantasy for nerds when that's the exact opposite of what it is.
>>140624484
>The self driving "air roads" are a bit better though,
It's still stupid.
>>140624438
Welcome to reality dude. Cyberpunk stories usually have one thing in common: That there is hope.
>>140616211
NINJA SLAYER is cyberpunk, anon.
So is Pandora in the Crimson Shell.
>>140624410
Acid Rain has dropped, since various mechanisms to control pollution have been developed. There are some places in China and the USSR that have local problems though, and I believe Scandinavia also has some issues.
>>140624663
The most stupid thing about it is actually the energy costs rather than other things. Having a car store enough energy for flight makes it an exploding missile, too.
Lot more efficient to use wheels.
>>140624758
What about moe coils & grumpy jii-san?
>>140616211
No, because we live in Cyberpunk era and its worse than dystopic Cyberpunk predicted.
>>140624798
It would be a stretch to even call coils post-punk.
>>140624222
>wait
So, yeah, we don't have any of these yet.
And that kind of thing takes years to work. If we get to see any of that, we will be already old as fuck.
>>140624795
How would a super high speed car/highway be any different?
>>140624784
>There are some places in China and the USSR
>USSR
A-anon...
>>140624844
Coils was cyber present
>>140624913
We don't actually need much more speed.
There's room for improvement for intercity or intercontinental movement.
But you don't need to do that with private cars or open-air streets.
Vacuum-tunnels go.
>>140624903
Who cares about being old ? By the time we're 80 we'll be able to get fixed by NANOMACHINES, get into debt and become a corporate slave in Neo²-York/Dublin/Paris/Munich/Berlin/Tokyo/Rome.
How about a cyberpunk SoL?
>high school is in the middle layer of the multilevel city
>the ojou-type character lives in the top layer where sunlight can still reach
>one girl talks about getting augs, and gets her eyes replaced in the middle of the season
>searching for the legendary onsen hidden in the Old City district
>>140624961
Even if reality fails me, at least let me dream.
>>140625044
Its called Battle Programmer Shiraze
>>140624913
Well slipstream would mitigate most of the increased air resistance.
With flying you've got gravity and air resistance to worry about.
Assuming that internal friction of whatever moving parts in each vehicle is roughly the same.
>>140616211
We had one show last season.
There was great cyberpunk show airing now much long agoPlastic Memories, not even joking. Best proper cyberpunk in many years despite mostly showing cover side of society.
>>140625082
I was thinking something more like Blame Academy. Needs more cute robot grills.
>>140624976
There wasn't really any cyber to it. Computers might as well have not existed beyond the single robot character who behaved 100% human at all times anyways.
Coils was more or less very loosely speculative science fiction with environmental/energy-focused leanings. It was a "what-if" scenario looking at a world where fossil fuels had been phased out by an unlimited source of portable energy that then got side-tracked, forgot it was supposed to be looking at the world and instead got caught up in the minute technical details of its macguffin, which was just a loose allegory to nuclear power anyways.
>>140619110
Bwahahaha look at this fucknugget.
4chan cooperates with the US gov and it's now been handed over to SJWs. This place won't 'go down', it will die a slow death. And you will be the frog in the pan not noticing a damn thing until it's too late.
This place is already slowly becoming a 'safe space'.
To me cyberpunk is more about the "dark urban future" feel than the actual technologies present. So looking slummy/dirty is a must.
Mardock Scramble was one recent show that actually tried to capture that setting again, at least at first
>>140625161
I never finished moe blade runner, but I assume it ended with tears in the rain.
>>140625521
Cyberpunk is often confused with post-apocalypse or dystopian setting, while it not like that at all. Its just many cyberpunk books deal with the "underside" of society - criminals, outcasts, gangs, corporate hit teams, electro drug junkies, corporate wars, ghettos - whatever. Does not mean the world is fucked up on surface, not at all.
Its only like that when you are "off the grid", and the magical attraction about cyberpunk is exploring that dangerous "wonderland" when something forces you into this swamp, seeing all the dangers and corruption underneath the facade.
Complete dystopias with corporations using people for food are entirely different genre.
>>140625610
Careful, spoiler.
>>140624961
Sorry, I meant to say the former USSR.
>>140623854
Yes, please give us a name
>>140619143
No we aren't.
Technology is too slow we aren't even at Psycho Pass era.
Real cyberpunk doesn't start until we reach Neuromancer era
>>140616439
But it will be saved when Blade Runner 2 starring Harrison Ford and Ryan Gosling comes out.
Psycho-pass was a nice cyberpunk/post-cyberpunk anime even if S2 was a thing. The whole sybil-akane relationship was pretty cool.
Gits pandora had a cyberpunk/post-cryberpunk setting too, but that was more a girl meets girl anime so I guess it doesn't count.
>>140625880
We length passed Neuromancer era. Some "technological" shit like mononuclear melee weapons and other pure sci-fy bullshit we`ll never get, but in other aspects we lengths surpassed it simply because author could not predict the development of science and technology
>>140621908
>psychiatric drugs more ubiquitous than ever and children are being raised on them
>drones in the hands of consumers and generals alike, people growing used to the idea of robots as their emissaries
>autonomous cars right around the corner
>Earth's ecosystem is fucked and humanity is slowly coming to realize it
>genetic engineering growing bolder, non-GMO has become a luxury
>enormous databases and algorithms owned by corporations know enough to get millions of people interested in a product, ostracized or hanged
We are on the cusp, anon, if not already there. Look beyond the imagery and recognize the essence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shimizu_Mega-City_Pyramid
Don't worry guys, Japan is gonna make Cyber Punk great again.
>>140626044
We're probably going to end up in some world like Armored Core.I just want to see giant bipedal robot fights IRL before I die.
>>140626024
>Can't dive into the net
>Can't surf the net 3D
>No VR hacking
>No body implants like HR
>Cant even get built in claws for your fingernails
Anon please we don't have shit compared to Neuromancer era
>>140619143
Technically not but very close all you need is a super AI to control a city with is what Google is working right now ,they are planning to build their own city to test technology
>>140616439
>a hollywood adaptation of something that's already massively popular will kill a huge genre alone
fuck off retard
>>140626162
>>140626135
Giant humanoid weapons are impractical and will never be implemented, and you know it already.
>>140626159
>Can't dive into the net
There are technologies for cognitive interfaces right now, and some of them already used in practice in military prototypes.
>Can't surf the net 3D
Author was actually basing the projection on tech of his time - since already then virtual reality helmets appeared, but proven to be not financially viable so we only have resurgence of this tech now. One thing for example Gibson did not predict is augumented reality development to a degree is now, i.e. Google Glass is more "futuristic" than his 3D visualisation tech. Also, VRML was a thing already back then - we cant dive in net in 3D since its impractical.
>No body implants like HR
Plenty of body implant of any type from pure proteses, to complete mechanical automated cognitively controlled limbs. Artificial organs. And just fancy "transhuman" useless implants like computers under skin for gigles. Educate yourself.
>Cant even get built in claws for your fingernails
You technically can. No one does since its retarded.
>>140626261
Yeah, I know.
>>140626261
At least we'll get armored exoskeletons.
>>140625528
Hiroyuki needs to monetize the site one way or another. He even took out a loan to buy it from moot.
>>140626370
>There are technologies for cognitive interfaces right now, and some of them already used in practice in military prototypes.
Small time compared to the book
Modern implants do not even begin to compare to what they had in the book
>You technically can. No one does since its retarded.
Can you get retractable sharp fingernails, not really.
And its practical as fuck for defending yourself
>>140626449
>And its practical as fuck for defending yourself
What, are you going to scratch them like a girl?
>>140626135
Say no more. Sudobashi Heavy Industries and Megabots are going to engage in a USA vs. Japan robot battle this year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u8mheM2Hrg
Don't expect to see G Gundam paced fighting though
>>140626504
Wouldnt you if you had titanium sharp claws?
>>140626547
>Sudobashi Heavy Industries
What is their reason for not changing their names to Toha Heavy Industries?
>>140626604
I'd rather reinforce my fist and knock them out with a punch.
>>140626135
The world is basically already like what AC4 was like, except we have supersonic combat aircraft instead of nexts, and the pax economica works from behind the cover of westphalian states instead of overtly supplanting them.
It gets absolutely no credit, but AC4 is probably one of the best dystopian clifi worlds of its decade. The social commentary hits so many issues square on the nose, from overcentralizing (sub-)urbanization movement of the late 20th century to the way that post-colonial globalization and economicly-dominated geopolitics inevitably subordinate the rights and freedoms of citizens, to underdeveloped regions becoming an absolute clusterfuck of natives equipped, trained and funded for long-irrelevant proxy wars turning against one another and the rest of the world in ill-conceived attempts to secede from international influence and revert to traditionalist modes of living.
Hell, it even had an evil corporation of jewish zionists plotting world domination by manipulating politics, the economy and the middle-east.
We're only a decade or so off from Shanghai being under water, too.
>>140625902
Even if Riley Scott directs again, we'd probably get Prometheus rather than Blade Runner.
>>140626409
In an industrial capacity. So you might possibly see them in combat engineering units, maneuvering along with proper armored vehicles for protection.
Your best hope for mech combat would be some sapper whose unit gets ambushed, and he ends up saving the day by picking up heavy and explosive stuff and throwing it at the enemy in an act of desperation.
>>140626604
Read up on osseointegration. You can graft titanium onto living bone, and you can have bits poking through pierced holes in your skin.
This is all decades-old surgical practice, and people still don't use it for silly shit like Wolverine claws.
You could probably find a doctor willing to do this for enough money if you look hard enough in South America or the CIS.
>>140627147
I imagine that situation playing out like donkey kong.
>>140627349
There's people getting elf ears. Getting some metal claws would barely raise an eye brow in the right (wrong) neighborhood.
>Koichi Ohata will never return to usher in a new era of cyberpunk schlock OVAs
>>140627147
As the technology (especially power sources) become smaller and more efficient, you may eventually see exoskeletons as heavy infantry. As long as they can be made small, light and precise enough to do everything that infantry are currently relied on for, you could essentially put the fire-support role of light assault vehicle onto the frame of a mechanized infantry and be able to take that kind of role into buildings, tight alleys and other environments common to urban warfare. That sort of function will be eminently desirable if the world ever faces a situation where any kind of long-term military deployment happens in a country with actually developed infrastructure and proper urban centers. Modern combined-arms tactics aren't suited for those kinds of environments and the ability to carry the kind of armored presence and firepower that an infantry support vehicle might offer into an office building is something that would definitely be of interest should the situation arise.
>>140627147
We already have project like Talos though. Wich is an armored exoskeleton made for combat. It's more like a spartan suit than a mecha of course. I guess an accurate name for it would be an "armor-carrier exoskeleton".
>utopia
Canada
Western Europe
Japan
>anti-utopia
USA
Eastern Europe
South America
Australia
Saudi Arabia
>dystopia
China
Russia
North Korea
>>140628329
>>anti-utopia
Around these parts, we call that a dystopia (or reality, depending on what you want to invert).
>>140628329
>utopia
>Canada
Canada is basically what cyberpunk looks like without the technology part. Sprawling urban megacities full of kipple and crumbling, unmaintained infrastructure and preventable overcrowding. An effigy government controlled entirely by domestic corporate interest, a judicial culture that readily subordinates rights and freedoms for the sake of profit and politics and freedom of speech that no longer exists in practice, coupled alongside increasingly draconian censorship and unironic a priori thoughtcrimes and a widespread youth underground that's incredibly well-organized and distributed, all for the express purpose of trading and smuggling controlled substances without government or corporate oversight.
Canada currently is basically how Gibson described China in his novels.
>>140616211
It`s way more plausible to happen something like " throwing into high fantasy the ideas what belongs to science fiction".
For example, Instead of summoning NEETS, some shit happens and summons books about information technology (transistors, operational system, Linux, shit like that.)
Since they don't have time to learn about eletricity and transistors, they decides to use the ideas get from the book to build a PC 100% based on magic, with uses mana instead of eletricity.
>>140628329
>Japan
kek
But Trigger already saved cyberpunk
>>140616211
It could never happen in a good or serious way again.
The anime industry has become to corrupted by tropes, otakus and "fanservice"
>>140632139
You should watch a few old anime before pretending that you've done so.
>>140629883
We don't know if Trump is going to win the US presidency. Even though he's demolishing Ted Cruz in the Primaries, he might struggle with Hillary Clinton in the general election unless Bernie Sanders threatens to take her down with him.
>>140632397
I don't think there are many Americans that would prefer Hillary over Trump. In fact, even being opposed to Trump as I am, I'd rather have America ruled by him than her.
She positively scares me.
>>140625108
>Moe shit by shirow
I prefer his oiled girls/robots
>>140624758
>So is Pandora in the Crimson Shell.
>>140624798
Cyberpunk was about high tech and harsh envoirement, Pandora wasn't harsh at all, so I wouldn't call it cyberpunk at all.
Dimension W was certainly more close to cyberpunk, we didn't really see lot about the world but in general it looked a pretty depressed ruined world so I think it would qualify.
>>140632532
>>Moe shit
Fuck off.
>>140625108
That was way too optimistic to be cyberpunk
>>140616211
>Will cyberpunk return?
We call it contemporary fiction now.
>>140632528
this election is the weirdest thing
it seems like everyone hates all the candidates and would like to see them all dead before president
yet the campaigns continue
I can't remember one quite like this, and I was around for the Ross Perot debacle
>>140632620
It's not that every voter hates every candidate. It's more that everybody is emotional about this vote which leads to disparaging comments about all candidates that one don't support.
>>140632528
>I don't think there are many Americans that would prefer Hillary over Trump
Most people aged 40+ and black people would rather see her instead of Trump the batshit populist or Bernie the commie experimentalist (quite ironic since his whole campaign is all about promoting himself to black people).
>>140632620
Everybody hates politicians, but for some reason we keep on electing them.
You guys ought to talk more about cyberpunk, or at least about fictional politicians in anime instead of real life politics. That kind of discussion would be better in other appropriate boards.
>>140616211
boy cant wait for cyberpunk idols, cyberpunk harem and cyberpunk neet pandering
>>140634366
>cyberpunk idols
Would actually be pretty cool.
>>140632620
I personally think that all we need is a good old down to earth communist revolution.
>>140616211
I'm holding out hope that the burgeoning VR/AR market in the near future will help to inspire a bit more cyberpunk shit.
>>140635970
Can't we tone it down a bit?
Wouldn't a democratic revolution satisfy your needs?
>>140636077
>democratic
>while FB and paid trolls can easily influence public opinion
>>140636750
Better to have demagogues coloring our opinions against our best interests than to be ruled by an untouchable elite that doesn't care about our interests at all.
>>140636940
But we have both
>>140637756
But no democracy.
(bump)
>>140634271
The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.
To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.
>>140638050
A popular idea that surfaces time and time again.
Does it have any studies giving it weight?
>>140637834
No political system will ever flourish while humans are in charge of them.
That said, democracy may be the lesser evil, though that's still up to debate
>>140638129
I'll take into account real leadership skills, that means not riding on your political party name and blaming your oponent to get elected.
While you are running the country you don't have to know about economics or laws or health care, but you need the skills to choose and command the people with that proficiency
>>140638129
Yes, in fact that quote comes from a very well-respected study on human nature.[1]
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Restaurant_at_the_End_of_the_Universe
>>140635970
>>140636031
That's only going to create more VR MMO anime
>>140634403
>
it is a thing in a world of literature too:
Idoru from W. Gibson
>the heck is Idoru? A tower?
oh I was so young and innocent back then...
>>140632397
I'm hoping that Trump wins your elections.
He wants to improve the US instead of messing with the rest of the world.
>>140638990
Gibson was such a cool weeb.
>>140639169
>He wants to improve the US instead of messing with the rest of the world.
Have you not listened to anything he says?
>>140634271
>>140638050
That's why we have to CREATE the perfect president.
>>140639358
Solidus was such a dreamy guy.
>>140616211
Some loser getting sucked into a fantasy videogame world functioning on videogame rules is not even close to a high fantasy.
Back in the 90's things were great so we dreamed of horrible futures.
Now things are shit so we want fun happy stuff.
I guess thats why cyberpunk has gone away.
Maybe if we make it less depressing it'll work.
>>140639606
My life's actually rather good, and I do believe that life will improve for me while I get older and closer to death.
>>140628329
You forgot UK in dystopia. It's getting dangerously close to 1984.
>>140639681
my life is pretty good too even though most here would describe life here as hell.
Most people. I know are happy here.
It's not a bad thing to live life a little on the edge.
>>140639681
Good on you for winning the lottery of life m8 :^)
>>140639974
It's horrifying thinking of that.
The man's prediction is becoming true.
>>140640026
Don't use emoticons on /a/.
I remember the days when cyberpunk was cool.
>>140632604
Muh social dystopia
>>140616572
lel, wearing glasses makes you a cyborg xD because some who gave TED """talk""" said so. It doesn't matter that he stretched his definition more than condom on horse cock
