Kamina represents everything I hate. He is the douchebag older brother that hurts you more than helps. He forces the archetype of a "manly man" on you. That path of recklessness and irrationality will only lead you to death.
Simon was the reliable one, he was truly the one that got things done while Kamina just dicked around
Kamina actually had depth
Simon was just a self-insert.
>>140175311
I swear I've read this before
>>140175384
Kamina is a coward, he puts on a mask like he is some brave man. He can't even pilot the lagann, Simon knows he's not a brave man yet still fights because he cares deeply about Kamina and the others.
This is such obvious bait
>>140175384
>Manchild with daddy issues and bravado that forces his own ideals on a the only person that takes his nonsense seriously.
You are not wrong he as some depth but he is a terrible person.
>>140175311
>>140175420
>>140177451
>>140180572
This is not a bait thread, I'm sick of people treating Kamina like he's so great. He's just a pretentious asshole to Simon. The only thing he did good was not look down on Simon but at the same time he was using Simon just to accomplish his own goals.
>>140180732
>Ill take the bait
What goals did Kamina have exactly?
>>140175311
Kamina only acted that way so that Simon would look up to him. He wanted Simon to have a role model father-figure like he didn't have.
Regardless of how you feel about Kamina OP, a character being unlikable isn't the same as a character being written badly. The story doesn't at all treat Kamina like a flawless character and they often portray him as a douche. This thread is pointless.
>>140175384
Kamina preached a lot of feel good nonsense that even he failed to entirely comprehend. He had an inferiority complex and could only maintain his bravado so long as someone young and impressionable like Simon was there to lean on. He fucked up by going after Yoko without considering Simon's feelings, leaving him without that crutch to lean on when he needed it most. Kamina would have survived had he followed the golden rule of "Bros before Hos".
>>140180919
He claims to make the surface world a safer place so people underground wouldn't be scared to live there. Although he relies on Simon to accomplish it.
>>140181291
He had good intention, but his decision making was just so recklessly bad it resulted in his death. He didn't take Simon's feelings into consideration he only looked at his power/potential.
>>140175311
As always OP is a fag.
Fucking retard.
>>140175311
I agree. That's the reason it took me forever to finish Gurren Lagann. I could never get past the first 10 episodes where it was just The Kamina and Co Show. That being said, episodes 11-15, with Simon finally starting to be his own character, Nia being absolutely based, the show having actually impressive fight scenes, a plot and a villain, were great.
Fuck yourself, OP. Both Simon and Kamina have great characters
>>140182111
Same. I watched the show up till the bathhouse episode, but for some reason didnt want to watch any longer. I was glad I continued it, though.
>>140175311
>That path of recklessness and irrationality will only lead you to death.
>Simon was the reliable one, he was truly the one that got things done while Kamina just dicked around
But Kamina knew this perfectly well, which is why he relied so much on Simon.
>>140175311
>That path of recklessness and irrationality will only lead you to death.
>Simon was the reliable one, he was truly the one that got things done while Kamina just dicked around
He knew this. He flat out said that without Simon he's fucked. The problem was that Simon needed a confidence boost to get things done at the time and that's what Kamina provided.
>>140181860
>>140182180
If you had an older brother you'd understand that Kamina was only using Simon to seem better than he actually was. He made Simon look like a hang on compared to him and never once thought about his feelings. The only thing he saw in Simon was power. He tried to mold Simon into being a powerful version of him that he could use. It didn't work out because he unknowingly betrayed Simon by kissing Yoko who he loved.
>>140182512
>>140182599
Kamina's influence over Simon served as a poison that only weakened Simon's power. Why do you think that when Kamina died Simon was at his strongest?
Also when Simon tried to be like Kamina when fighting he was weak?
If he really wanted to boost Simon's confidence he would've hooked him up with Yoko who was advising Simon to not be so reckless like Kamina, as well as who Simon had a crush on
>>140182996
>Also when Simon tried to be like Kamina when fighting he was weak?
>>140183163
>>140183402
>>>Why do you think that when Kamina died Simon was at his strongest?
clawshrimpy thread?
>>140182996
>Why do you think that when Kamina died Simon was at his strongest?
Because he started taking his dying message to heart. Kamina even realized that he had been telling Simon the wrong thing and told him to believe in himself directly.
>Also when Simon tried to be like Kamina when fighting he was weak?
His heart wasn't actually in it. Like Kamina, he tried to fake the funk but while Kamina was flat out afraid, he main thoughts were "I can't fail because Simon is watching me". Simon on the other hand had a ton of emotions running through his mind and didn't have anyone believing in him until Nia showed up. The rest of the group had written him off and Kitan was made the leader.
>If he really wanted to boost Simon's confidence he would've hooked him up with Yoko who was advising Simon to not be so reckless like Kamina, as well as who Simon had a crush on
That would have required Yoko to have romantic feelings for Simon, and she didn't. She saw him as something like a little brother a best for a long time. I don't even think he knew Simon had a crush on Yoko in the first place. It's not like he was very vocal about that shit.
Yeah he grew a lot without Kamina being there. But Kamina noticing him and hyping him up here and there was basically the reason Simon had those small bursts of confidence in the first place.
>>140183512
>"I just have to get stronger like Aniki"
>>140175311
Kamina merely got that impression of what a man is from his dad. And honestly even though what little we see of him in the show, his dad leaves that kind of impression. He leaves the underground to forge a new path.
>irrationality.
It's precisely this and playing things way too safe is what would have gotten everyone killed eventually. Remember that Kamina had been above ground when he was a kid and he was probably told of the danger that would soon encroach his town from his dad. The only way to break that event was to be reckless, as the people of his town had become too docile and complacent with their "safe" place. Fuck you, OP.
>>140175311
every path leads to death though
>>140175311
Gurren Lagann is not set in a rational universe. Recklessness and irrationality are the most powerful forces in that world.
>>140175311
>Simon was the reliable one, he was truly the one that got things done while Kamina just dicked around
Kamina himself said this.
>>140175311
I kinda agree. I didn't give a shit when he died because throughout the whole show he seemed to do whatever he wanted, even if that put all his friends in danger. His character would have been much better to me if he realized how his actions could hurt those close to him and used some amount of caution.
On the other hand, the theme of the show is basically that reckless heroism will give you all the power you need, and he did at least do a very good job of personifying that.
Wow,
OP must have some serious emotional problems.
>>140183975
>Saw him as a little brother
The only reason she saw him like that was because Kamina treated him like one.
None of the crew cared about Simon. They only used him for his power. I admit although there was an ongoing war they just abandoned his feelings.
Once Simon realized it would be enough to just protect the people he cares about is when he becomes the strongest. Also Nia
>>140183929
No, the reason Rossiu and Simon are the strongest is because they are the most rational of the group.
Fuck off with this bullshit
What pissed me off was the clear difference between adult Simon on episode 1 and Simon when battling the Anti-Spirals
>>140182111
I thought i was the only one. the first half was pretty lame until kamina died, and the second half, regardless of what people say about it, is one of the greatest arcs of all time
>>140182693
Nice projection
Kamina was considering how Simon felt right from the first episode when he helped support him during the earthquake
Unless you are a woman then you should be a manly man.
I suppose fags are exempt too
>>140184839
like Rosshiu
>>140184733
That would've been Simon if he went full Kamina
>>140181604
Simon had several chances with Yoko, she was clearly indicating interest in him. She was actually pretty irritated with Kamina at first, but it's not suprising she fell for a man that was determined and would take action and not shy away from her in the important moment.
nia is pretty
>>140184776
No, Simon realized that it was those monsters causing the earthquake responsible for killing his parents.
>>140185085
Pretty dead*
>>140184976
No, she was leading Simon on and using him just like Kamina. She never attempted to kiss Simon like she did Kamina
>>140175922
How is kamina a coward and Simon isn't? You just said they continue to fight even though they're scared, so what if kamina acts like he's not?
>>140185257
>she was leading Simon on and using him just like Kamina
For what purpose?
>>140184764
>>140182293
>>140182111
I agree, TTGL became watchable after Kamina died.
>>140185362
To get to Kamina
>>140184733
I never understood the point of the ep1 intro, honestly.
>>140185751
It was the scene they came up with that gave birth to the show in the first place.
In canon, it merely represents a future in which Simon failed.
Basically it's fucking cool
>>140185316
The difference is Kamina's actions put everyone else as well as himself in unnecessary danger
>hero character A is worse than hero character B because he has confidence
Go back to self-inserting over harem protags.
>>140186330
Kamina is the self-insert it's why people praise him so much. Simon is the true character
>>140175311
>Facing danger is dangerous
>>140186320
I don't remember it well enough to argue that, but even if he did constantly endanger everyone he's still not a coward
>>140186514
Some hot opinions, but I'll have to disagree. It's basically a coming-of-age tale, right? Kamina's the cool older brother character who the viewer's meant to look at and think "I want to be that guy." Simon's the underdog that the view can legitimately identify with, since we all have periods in life where we struggle with confidence and feel uncool, but he grows into "I want to be that guy." Simon's more of a self-insert because he evolves from purely a relatable character to a desirable character, the kind of evolution everyone with any respect for self-improvement wants to go through. Kamina isn't nearly as relatable, he's a cool guy you look on to from the sidelines.
>>140175311
I recognize this, I think.
OP, did you used to be on /m/?
>>140184965
nah, if anything that scene was a jaded simon who was ready to take on the universe after losing so many comrades,not some charismatic maniac like kamina
>>140175311
>Simon was the reliable one, he was truly the one that got things done while Kamina just dicked around
That's the point. They're a dymanic duo.
>>140184733
but that was kaminas father, not simon
>>140184733
It's just kinda meant to represent branching character evolution. It's not like it's an unintentional difference, if you're getting pissed it's because it's different to your vision of the show, not because it's actually lazy or stupid. The difference is even highlighted with the lines they say:
>All the lights in the sky are our enemies
Vs
>All the lights in the sky are stars
>>140184733
Don't know where I heard it so take it with a grain of salt, but apparently they had a vague idea where the plot was going to go and had forgotten to connect to that flashforward in the beginning
>>140186984
>but that was kaminas father, not simon
Kamina's dad died as soon as he made it to the surface
>>140187033
I actually meant those fucking star shaped glasses
>>140175311
>He forces the archetype of a "manly man" on you. That path of recklessness and irrationality will only lead you to death.
Oh hey Rossiu.
>>140187177
I suspected that, but still...Also Rosshiu, and glasses nee-chan
I don't remember seeing a closeup of prologue Simon? I might be wrong.
I think the star-shaped shades arekinda cool
>>140175311
>Not understanding how the aniki relationship works
>>140186575
I cannot see how you got that from the original post
>>140186799
If that's true then why do most people hate part 2 of the show or rather after Kamina died?
>>140186805
Never been there
>>140186908
While he's fighting he says "This is what bro would've done!"
>Watching mediocre garbage like Gurren Lagann because PWETTY PWETTY ANIMATIONS SO PWETTY MOMMY
>Ignoring actual good mecha like GaoGaiGar and Fafner either because EW A TOY COMMERICAL or EW HIRAI TRIGGERS ME
>>140187177
it was a mix of that and also,they realized the original storyline they were going for was not matching up with how the events of the show were unfolding so they decided to redo the last few arcs leading to a new ending and the episode 1 scene being an alternate version.
Kamina is the weaker willed character at the end, he dies because he can't back up the shit he talks all the time. He's good at hyping up others and terrible at actually feeling confident himself beyond just saying positive bullshit about himself loudly.
I'm kind of similar to Kamina so that's how I see it, I'm a better hypeman than I am someone who actually rises to the occasion.
Simon's the one who starts weak willed, he's honest about it, shit happens to him and it sucks. He grows from it though, his experiences add more to his character, making it a stronger and braver one with each episode after Kamina's death. Very much like a drill, he keeps up a momentum and powers through it. Being able to overcome adversity is what makes Simon the stronger character. Not to say Kamina is bad, he's just more flawed than people realize/are willing to admit.
So why was Simon the only one who is able to use that much spiral power?
It was too the point where everyone else was useless and if Simon wasn't there the entire Earth would be fucked.
>>140187431
>not liking all mecha
>>140187260
That's exactly the thing, I feel like the same feelings that would attract you to Simon over Kamina would draw you further the same way to Rossiu. I mean, fair enough, you're not meant to relate fully to either one, Simon's the middle man and also the main character, but I don't see how you can hate Kamina.
>>140187431
>not Tetsujin 2004
>not Shin Mazinger Shougeki Z hen
>not Overman King Gainer
Shit taste in mecha desu
Kamina was just a guy trying to look cool, which was clearly not working until he went to surface and became a fucking superhero thanks to sheer dumb luck.
Whereas Simon was a pussy that grew into a pretentious, aggressive and self righteous lunatic. As "badass" as Simon gets he never really seemed like a good guy to me.
>>140187431
I'm posting this assuming you're not false flagging
listen anon,I like Fafner as much as the next guy,probably even more than you do but please if you're one of the kinds of people to bring it up every time another mecha series is discussed can you stop?
What you're doing will just ruin the fanbases reputation and bad fanbases always cause people to think the source material the fanbase spawns from is shit. Fafner is in my opinion a great show and one of my favorite series of all time, but you can't compare it to gurren lagann just because both are different,all they have in common is mecha and even that is debatable. The themes and tones of the two are so different I have no Idea why you even chose to post it.
>>140187613's post would've been better bait
>>140187403
>If that's true then why do most people hate part 2 of the show or rather after Kamina died?
1. That's not a majority opinion. The only think the majority hates is Rossiu, and even then that's kind of a shitty opinion. A loud minority hates the second part, and even then mostly for other reasons than Kamina being gone. Nia, the shift of antagonist, the shift of scale and theme after Lord Genome, Simon being a complete shitter in the first 3 or so episodes after Kamina dies, those are all reasons people might dislike the second part.
2. People do generally like Kamina because on the surface he's a more over-the-top and fun personality than Simon. Simon being relatable in a real sense doesn't make him better or more enjoyable than Kamina. Personally I like them about equally, but I can see why some people liked Kamina better, because he broke away from the convention of having an underdog protagonist in anime, which just feels like it's carefully designed to mollycoddle zero-confidence japanese teenagers. That's fine and all, but in general Gurren Lagann breaks away from that. And Kamina breaks out expectations of an anime protag earlier and more directly, which is why people get more attached to him. That's fine though, because we are totally meant to like both of them.
I forgot erasing cookies also clear filter. When I tried re-add them this happens. Also I hate langan
t. assmad Yoko shipperfags
I'm sorry you couldn't self insert into the beta and get your way.
>>140188083
>implying
Kittan is the superior self-insert.
>>140175311
That's kinda the point. Kamina is a reckless asshole, but before Simon stopped letting himself be walked over he needed a fraction of Kamina's recklessness to get shit done. Rossiu is a look at what Simon would have become had a spent his entire life playing it safe without taking any risks.
>>140187393
I fully understand the aniki relationship because I'm the younger brother
>>140187454
This guy gets it! Although Kamina doesn't have any bad intentions in mind I hate him as a character because he is in self denial.
>>140187654
No he became a hero thanks to Simon
>>140187455
The difference between Simon and Kamina is that Simon constantly evolves as a character. Kamina keeps the facade on throughout the show and never changes his reckless way of doing things until the end I think.
>>140188175
>The difference between Simon and Kamina is that Simon constantly evolves as a character. Kamina keeps the facade on throughout the show and never changes his reckless way of doing things until the end I think.
Not just Kamina, people like Kittan, Yoko, and all the other various backseat characters that I don't remember. The show really made all of humanity aside from Simon cannon fodder.
>>140187309
>spoilering it
wait, is not liking them a thing as well???
>>140188175
Kamina never had a chance to evolve because he's always right. The only time his philosophy failed on any meaningful level he died and didn't have a chance to change his views, but still urged Simon to carry on in his stead. He'd be a pretty obnoxious individual in a more realistic setting, but then Rossiu would be right in that setting, so if that's your excuse for hating Kamina why not choose Rossiu over Simon as well?
But you want to know what really bugs me? Most people don't seem to know that gurren lagann is a sequel to the gunbuster series
>>140188083
I never got the girl just like Simon, but even I don't self insert into him. He has the will to ride through his suffering and change. I wish I had that
>>140188336
They are all assholes who used Simon. The only characters I respect are Rossiu, the twins, and Simon.
>>140188498
At first, yeah. But I think they gain a geniune respect and friendship with him after he becomes leader.
>>140188345
Rosshiu's betrayal is one thing
but using Kinon as a suicide bomb to stop Simon is another
And the fact that Kinon defended this when Kittan confronted him about it while slapping him is what made me hate her.
>>140187431
I think you might be projecting a little.
>>140188116
That wasn't my point.
Seeing how many people in this thread mention Yoko or that kiss gives me the impression that they wanted Simon and Yoko to get together and were assmad they didn't. They probably were self-inserting in the initially beta MC because he's the MC.
That whole Erased shitstorm with Kayo reminds me of this. Half the complaints are from that ship falling apart.
>>140188394
He felt as long as he had Simon's power, nothing could go wrong
>>140188345
>>140188585
fuck, meant to reply to>>140187349
So are the star shades not considered by every living creature to be the coolest fucking thing in existence?
>>140188585
actually this works anyway since i did reply, I really hated that bitch, but I hated Rosshiu more than man can concieve. He did not deserve to survive
>>140188646
>sensei waits 15 years
>girlfriend doesn't
you have no excuse, kayo is just a bitch
>>140188646
Nope. Yoko is shit, I don't really self-insert into any character - especially not Simon who's almost completely different from me, I didn't want them to get together, and I think the show is absolutely based for bringing in Nia as Simon's love interest instead of forcing him and Yoko into a relationship.
Kamina is just a shitty "brother", a shitty friend, and overall a shitty person.
>>140188860
Hey don't talk shit about Yoko
>>140186799
This. Kamina is supposed to be a sort of role model for Simon, and one of the main points of the show after episode 8 is Simon coming to terms with the fact that he has to be his own man.
This isn't even subtle at all. Simon literally shouts it from the top of a giant fucking robot when he fights Guame.
>>140188498
>The only characters I respect are Rossiu, the twins, and Simon
>Rossiu, the twins, and Simon
>Rossiu
>>140188646
OP here, the reason I made this thread is because I hate Kamina because he represents the shitty older brother that you still love and care for because he's family. If that's what they were aiming for I think they made the perfect character. Although Yoko is a shitter I cannot disregard that the kiss represents betrayal. I'm glad it happened because it made Simon stronger in the end at the cost of Kamina getting rekt
>>140175311
>TEETEE GEE ELL IS MAI FAVROIT AMINEY
>get her robo? whats that?
/v/ fuck off
>>140188498
>The only characters I respect are Rossiu, the twins, and Simon
>Rossiu
>>140183795
Jesus, OP (if that is OP you were replying to) really didn't get it; trying to hook up with Yoko in the immediate aftermath of Kamina's death would have gone disastrously for everyone. It was obviously just a childhood crush for Simon, and she was pretty ambivalent about him at best considering everyone pretty much blamed him for Kamina's death at the time. She finally 'got it' in the episode where she and Simon took on Viral (13 I think) and it was probably the closest they ever got to hooking up, but Simon was already solidly for Nia, and the two just solidified their bro-relationship.
Hell, if anything they probably ended up in a reverse Speedwagon/Erina relationship as they got older. I could see Yoko carrying some kind of torch for him but never pursuing it out of respect for Nia.
>>140188860
Except Kamina always showed love and respect for Simon, saw potential in him when no one else did, and more or less admitted that Simon was better than him. I admit, I'll have to watch back to see how implicit or explicit this was, but ever since I originally watched Gurren Lagann I was always under the impression that Kamina knew his own faults and acted the way he did to prop up and motivate the others, and respected Simon as a brother and as a person, frankly more than Simon really deserved. If Kamina never showed him weakness it was because he was the foundation that the others were building their dreams on. And in the end, he managed to motivate and built Simon into the foundation that humanity could build its future on, even in the face of a borderline-existential threat like the anti-spirals.
>>140188853
I look forward to the sequel in which we find out Kayo also travelled back and planned out the events of the series so Satoru could win the Anribowl.
>>140189180
The only way to promote my favourite anime is to whine about other anime. I swear it's really good though!
>>140189180
do you have actual autism?
>that entire post
holy shit what a faggot
>>140189285
>>140189315
spotted the /v/edditors
>>140189257
this thread basically
>>140189285
to be honest though, i liked pizza girl at the start and was mad when she never showed up later. She won in the end though, so it's all good
>short haired girls
not even once
>>140189336
>acts like turbo autism incarnate
>accuses me of being from autism the board
this is going to be a fun one
>>140189180
this desu
>>140189122
>I have unresolved family issues that I project onto my animes
Holy shit, you didn't understand Kamina at all.
>>140189122
>>140189261
Not directly after Kamina's death but sometime before it I meant. Hooking up would've given him some self confidence.
>>140189598
Who is Kamina then? I don't see what else he could possibly be other than a pseudo role model
>>140189122
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxXEPk3dzFg
>>140189180
I swear to god that every time anybody tries to talk about TTGL some /m/ autist will burst in and start babbling away about Getter.
And those types will almost always be some retard who bared touched Getter, maybe watched Armageddon or another ova but won't shut up about how much they hate TTGL.
>>140189833
>I don't have a shitty older brother the post
>>140189122
>he had a crush on a girl his older brother fucked
>>140189122
>>140189371
Honestly m8, I feel like it was inevitable. Kid Satoru was always kind of a fake persona, I mean if you think about it, it was just adult Satoru trying to act convincingly like his kid self while preventing the dark future, right? His character development as a kid wasn't what Uganda saw, which was kid Satoru changing into someone much more competent and confident, it was more adult Satoru trapped in a kid body understanding what he was overlooking in his "present day" life and overcoming his cynicism. By the same token, his relationship with Kayo wasn't so much as a legitimate adolescent romance, it was adult Satoru stuck in kid Satoru's body, coming to understand other people and understanding the value of their lives and getting to know them and all that. Anyway, it was never going to be a legitimate relationship on Satoru's part because he was 30-something, and it was never going to be a legitimate relationship on Kayo's part because she was like 10 when it started, still 10 when it ended and like 30 by the time he woke up. It was kinda delusional to think it was leading anywhere.
Meanwhile, the relationship with Anri was at least established by the real protagonist, adult Satoru, even if it originally happened in an alternate timeline.
>>140189870
But it is true that Getter Robo is leagues better than TTGL.
>>140189122
>projecting your shitty family life on animu
>>140175311
Look guys I just finished my first anime the thread
>>140189887
>I'd rather write fanfiction about an anime I watched than deal with my self-worth issues
>>140189997
But if you genuinely liked Getter and enjoyed it before TTGL why would've you enjoy more of the same? Especially more of the same with stylish hq visuals and sound direction? I mean, it's not like it's a straight ripoff, and that kind of ultra-redblooded mecha isn't a sub-genre that's super common nowadays Or if you were introduced to Getter through Lagann, why wouldn't you be thankful for it breaking you into the sub-genre and letting you discover better things? Seems to me the only reason you'd expend this much effort to hate TTGL is to look cool in front of /a/.
>>140189997
Not the anime. Getter's anime can't touch TTGL. It's the manga that is the seminal work of art.
>>140189904
>>140189931
>>140190003
>>140190211
kek fuck you guys don't read between the lines in my post damn it I hate you all. This doesn't change the fact that Kamina is a shitter
>>140190264
Man, if Kamina was your brother things would be different around here.
>>140187431
>good mecha
>Fafner
>>140190211
I dropped Lagann at like episode 5, watched the Getter OVAs, then read the manga. Tried to get through Lagann again, dropped it at episode 20.
>>140190233
The Getter anime is way too different to be comparable, honestly. Its a MotW toy commercial for kids. Its also way more niche than the entry level TTGL.
>>140190264
>read between the lines
motherfucker you just posted
>I hate Kamina because he represents the shitty older brother that you still love and care for because he's family
Kamina's relationship with Simon is something entirely different, you ARE projecting
>>140190435
>this bitch too casual to even watch Lagann after his babby pseudo-Nagai shit
>>140190264
Kamina is literally the first character to see any potential in Simon, and the only one to have any expectations for him before he becomes a badass. If you can't handle the thought of other people appreciating or expecting anything beyond indecisive beta behaviour, maybe you should stick to harem anime.
>>140181604
>>140175311
subtle trolling
Kamina is shown to have self-doubt but puts on a bravado front in order to raise morale and lead. he is aware of this. it's a burden that he has to assume because he is the leader of the gurren dan.
blaming Kamina for kissing yoko just because simon was watching from teh bushes and is so much of a cunt that he'd give up in the middle of a life and death battle just because of jealousy is patently stupid.
>he didn't take Simon's feelings into consideration!
>he didn't tae simon's feelings into consideration!
>He betrayed simon by kissing yoko!
>why didn't he set up Simon with Yoko?!
holy shit what is this vicarious whiny entitlement ?
Is it trolling or genuine autism?
>>140189720
The whole point of the Simon's character was that he had to forge his own path. You want to give him a crutch before he ever had a chance, and an artificial one at that.
In terms of the story, Kamina's just a catalyst. He's a sendup/homage of Sleggar Law/Roy Fokker/Gai Daigoji and the like; he's larger than life and puts up a massive wall of bravado to hide his insecurities. His life and death meant different things to different members of the crew. Your ideas about his character show a distinct lack of comprehension though; you're stuck on his surface qualities and it is utterly clouding your judgement.
>>140190264
I don't think you understand. Someone like Kamina is a lifesaver for people like Simon, who are timid, and have no goals or sense of direction. Do you think all of Simon's growth would have just happened by itself without Kamina? You can't be a beggar and expect people to treat you like an equal. You should be grateful for people's kindness. By the time Simon is strong enough to stand on his own two feet and be Kamina's equal, Kamina is already gone.
>>140190684
>>this bitch too casual to even watch Lagann after his babby pseudo-Nagai shit
Rude.
>>140189997
no it isn't.
That's something that hipsters say.
The only touching thing that has ever happened in the history of getter robo is Musashi sacrificing himself.
Getter robo has maybe 5% of gurren lagann's emotional impact.
all it is is badass and awesome. Gurren lagann has a heart too.
Gurren Lagann is like Terminator 2 or Aliens while Getter Robo is like maybe Bloodsport.
>>140175311
Follow Kamina's path and you'll end up as a hobo mourning for your dead waifu.
>>140190920
I like both Nagai and Getter thought, but going into a Lagann thread and complaining that your preferred manga doesn't get more attention is the much more rude thing to do than talk back to your shit. Never mind that your kind won't ever allow a legitimate discussion of the actual quality of both series, you can at least be respectful enough to make your own dedicated shitposting threads instead of invading others, though I can't imagine they would gain any traction on /a/.
>>140190920
Considering that in Japan you can be jailed for years for smoking a joint, this shit's pretty hardcore.
>>140191031
>not the comradery that is Getter Robo Go
>not the hype that is the space fight in Getter Robo G
>not the game changing realization that Getter Rays will destroy the fucking universe in Getter Robo Go
cmon senpai
>>140191155
I wasn't even the one who brought it up.
>>140175311
Kamina represents the person who pushes you out of your shell/shell so that you become the person you can be. Simon represented the person who was okay with the today just eating, doing the mundane, and sleeping without regards to something he could be.
>>140190690
A broken drill will not pierce anything
>>140190449
Kamina represents a false prophet/role model to Simon. What he preaches caters to your needs at the moment so you don't question it. However in the long run it is better for an individual to think for himself and forge his own path. Although you're correct Kamina and Simon depended on each other I think even with Kamina still alive that wouldn't have been for long.
>>140190866
If Kamina was supposed to be a catalyst he was not a very good one. Even Simon realized this although he still respected Kamina for what he did for him
>>140190284
I'm not the drill that pushes through. I'm the mole that hides underground and just gets by
>>140189122
You're just projecting your shitty family onto this. You just seem to have something against older brothers.
>Yoko's kiss
>betrayal
See your problem? This is the shit I was talking about. She liked Kamina to begin with. She went to Kamina and kissed him on her own accord. Why do you fags expect Kamina to just give someone who likes him to Simon? He didn't even know Simon liked her to begin with. And that doesn't change the fact that Yoko fell in love with Kamina and not Simon. In fact Simon and you fags are both dumbasses for interpreting that as betrayal to begin with. God fucking forbid the person you like doesn't like you back.
>>140191101
That's kind of the point though, isn't it? I mean, Kamina's whole thing was about encouraging the next generation and bringing in the future, which is why he was so obsessed with Simon and sacrificed his own life, and Simon sorta took that on. It's pretty blatant as well, Simon straight up monologued about his drill creating the path for the future or whatever. That's kind of what the anime settles on as the message in the end, right? My drill creates the heavens and all that?
>>140191254
You're in a TTGL thread, you can hardly legitimately post that shit without mentioning the equivalent moments in Lagann. I mean, you can I guess, but not while trying to assert that Getter Robo is somehow more deserving of discussion. This entire thread's been filled with actual discussion of Lagann, mostly about one character, your post is the first to mention something that actually happened in Getter. Literally every mention of Getter up to now has been pure shitposting.
>>140191443
>That's kind of the point though, isn't it?
Self sacrifice ain't my thing. It may be cliched but to me the ultimate goal of every MC is to earn their happy ending. I don't watch fiction to realize life is shit. I have life for that.
>>140191404
Ok not betrayal more so jealousy
>>140191401
kamina was the first human being to power a ganmen directly after repossessing it from a beastman as opposed to having core drill to help turn it on.
By episode 8 he's adept enough at piloting that he's has the upperhand against Viral even in the stubby, default gurren form.
And he invented the giga drill breaker.
If he had stayed alive he wouldn't have been legendary spiral-knight tier but he definitely would have been able to generate spiral power himself like Kittan.
>>140175311
Assuming this isn't pasta, you're a fucking retard. Kamina and Simon both needed eachother in order to achieve the ultimate goal, freedom of mankind and eventual liberation of the universe. Neither of them attempted to deny that fact, in fact they fully embraced their relationship as Kamina saw something in Simon no one else did, and in turn Simon was pushed and lifted up by Kamina into the man he knew he had to become. Kamina essentially alley-ooped Simon to his destiny, the Lagaan impact attack where he hurls Simon toward the enemy to claim victory is a highly unsubtle metaphor for this. The final push Simon needed was Kamina's death, so that he would learn the lesson Aniki tried to teach: no one else could hope to do what he was capable of and he had to accept that responsibility on his own, foreshadowed when he told him "You're gonna be the one to do it" in episode 7.
"He forces the archetype of a manly man on you", spoken like a true little bitch. This is a universe where the only way to get shit done is to say fuck it and push it beyond the limits, to have the slightest shred of fear or doubt is the only way to lose everything. I don't know how that could have possibly flown over your head since the show makes it a point to hammer it into your skull every fucking episode, if you were in charge you would've gotten everyone killed. The reason why Kamina was, unequivocally and undoubtedly in every possible way, a true exemplification of manly manliness is because he was essentially a physical avatar of that notion of unwavering bravery in the face of the unknown, he represented everything about the heart and soul of true strength and FIGHTING SPIRIT as dictated by the universe they lived in, and only by carrying that very spirit in their hearts was Team Dai-Gurren able to claim every single victory following his death, up to and including the ultimate battle against the will of the universe itself.
Kamina was a real man and a true hero.
Why does every character exist to suck Simon's dick?
That's what pissed me off the most. Kittan died for his bullshit.
>>140191404
> He didn't even know Simon liked her to begin with.
This, also, it's his own fault for not calling him on that. Kamina loved him so much that he would've probably ignored her advances if he told him.
Anyway this is not an /ss/ doujin, girls that age don't find kids attractive.
>>140191401
>If Kamina was supposed to be a catalyst he was not a very good one. Even Simon realized this although he still respected Kamina for what he did for him
But he literally drove the series forward more than the main character did. The character with the most lasting effect on the course of the story were, in order, Kamina, Genome, Anti-Spiral, Simon, Rossiu. Even when Kamina wasn't around anymore he persisted as an inspiration for Simon to push forward in his convictions. Well after his canonical death, Kamina serves as the catalyst for Simon being able to escape the Spiral Abyss. He's the greatest motivating force of pretty much every character in the series, even in death.
>>140191591
And that jealousy was what caused Kamina to die to begin with. Honestly both Simon and Kamina have flaws which isn't necessarily a bad thing. But you're making Kamina seem like a lot more of a slimeball than Simon is when they both have their fair share of shit.
>>140191591
Jealousy is a shit tier emotion. Why get jealous when you could just work hard to attain the same level. And in the very rare case you can't reach the same level no matter how hard you try, that's just the way the world is and anyone with a bit of life experience needs to be able to accept that. Jealousy stems from your own weakness and insecurity and not from anybody else. If you're feeling jealous its your problem and not theirs and you have no right to use it as an excuse for your actions.
>>140191582
It's not about realising life is shit though, nothing in Lagann suggests life is shit. Instead, it tells you that you should push for the future you want, and the ultimate sacrifice is for the freedom and well-being of the next generation. It's very well to personally feel that you'd prefer to follow a different path, but you can't exactly think less of the protagonists of TTGL for what they choose to do. After all, if Simon chose to lead humanity in his nigh-omnipotence, he'd risk becoming like the Spiral King. And Kamina's ultimate choice was between himself and the future of his companions, including Simon.
>>140191880
>>140191869
I'm not gonna excuse Simon's behavior but at the same time how can a heart break NOT affect you?
>>140192036
For sure it will affect you, I'm not disagreeing. I'm just saying using that jealousy as a reason to shit on Kamina isn't fair. He didn't do it to spite you, it's something he happened to get naturally based on his own merits, and you just happened to want it really badly at the same time. You have no right to be angry at him for that, especially since he didn't even know you liked her.
>>140191655
Don't be a fool, Kamina's death made them realize their reckless victories was only luck
>>140192036
By realizing that it's neither Kamina nor Yoko's fault and move on instead of being a weak willed pussy bitch that ruins plans because muh hormones.
>>140192036
That's on him. If he had the balls to speak out about his feelings, there would never have been anything between Kamina and Yoko. Kamina blatantly has enough respect for Simon to hold himself back. Not that it would have made any difference, Simon was a young kid and I don't imagine Yoko to be the /ss/ type. Instead Simon denies both his feelings and Kamina's love and respect for him, and fucks everything up. It's understandable, and human, and fits what we'd seen of Simon up til then, but it's not okay just because of that. It's Simon's greatest blunder, leads to Kamina's death, and to show what amazing people Kamina and Yoko are, neither hold it against him.
>>140192203
That's the thing, Simon is not the type to put up a bravado like Kamina.
>>140192130
>>140192298
WTF don't bring up valid points. Now I can't retort them
>>140192036
It doesn't, i mean most kids duffer seeing that older girl they are in love with dating a punk they hate. At least Simon could find comfort in the fact that she ended up with the best man he knew.
>>140192741
I wish I were as rational as you guys when it comes to these things.
>>140192446
Thing is, TTGL takes a seriously OTT view of human effort and self-improvement and all that, and Kamina is the ultimate culmination of that. I don't look down on you for disliking that, but there's no points in whining that you can't live up to the expectations that TTGL establishes, it's just an exaggerated anime series. Rather than project your personal issues onto a character from it, view it for what it is, an idolized image of what the world could be, and recognise what it really upholds, above the over-the-top bravado, which is simply personal growth in terms of honesty, earnestness, and striving to forge your own destiny. After all, spiral power is essentially sorcery powered by confidence, TTGL isn't exactly subtle in its message. The point is to try your best, and maybe great things come from unexpected places. After all, for all of Kamina's conviction, Simon could have been a total jobber, but he ended up being a big dick G, in no small part because Kamina genuinely believed in him.Stop getting angry about anime characters being too alpha, and join the cool kids club of whining about anime characters being too beta.
>>140175311
No. Kamina knows he is shit compared to what he thinks Simon can accomplish. That's why most of the early episodes Kamina takes the pressure of being the front. But he knows Simon needs the push. So he acts that way to be Simon's catalyst.
>>140193036
Imagine that you are a kid again and that you have a brother who is your hero. Now imagine you like an older girl that you know you have zero chance with.
Would you be mad if she fell for your brother and he went for it? I mean it would hurt, but would you hate him for picking the best girl? Would you hate her for picking the best guy?
If anything you would hate yourself for being a pussy and not saying anything. And that's the moment you become a but more mature and realize that next time you are not gonna wait and see what happens, you'll go and grab the girl just like Simon did.
>>140193233
Don't even bother. If he didn't get it by the time Kamina literally spelled it out for everyone in his flashback he'll never get it.
>>140175311
That's the point. Kamina is cool, but also pretty incompetent. Simon learned to have a bit of confidence from him, which paired with his natural talent and sensibility led him to become the hero he was.
>>140192178
Luck had nothing to do with it, without Kamina they never would've even gotten off of the ground. No one else could've filled the role he played at the time he did, and he knew the biggest part of it was making Simon achieve his destiny. And that's exactly what he did.
>>140192130
Not just that but Yoko was the one who came on to Kamina in the first place. Simon only has himself to blame for not coming forward with his feelings, and that's what he did. He accepted responsibility for that and moved on, gaining a love he never could have had with Yoko in the process. Notice how once his balls dropped fully and completely he never had the slightest bit of romantic attraction towards her ever again, working through it and moving upwards just like a drill is how he lived his whole life, it was only when he was younger he had to have his big brother crank the handle of that drill for him. Kamina gave his life to teach him how to gain the strength to turn that drill on his own, by the end he was so strong that he fully accepted the death of his beloved and passed the reigns to the next generation without a hint of despair or regret.
>>140190375
I bet you like IBO.
I bet you think G-Reco is deep
I bet you liked Cross Ange, Aldnoah Zero, and Valvrave
>>140175311
Fuck off shimpy
>>140193553
Valvrave is seriously disappointing, I was expecting a genuine "so bad it's good" trainwreck and instead I just got a disappointing series. Code Geass was both legitimately better and more of a trainwreck at the same time. In just this season, Mayoiga has established itself as a better trainwreck with two pure buildup episodes.
>>140193553
Hey, don't put Cross Ange in that bag, at least it had cute girls.
I personally think the show would've been better if Kamina was the protag the whole time and he evolved from the bravado spewing insecure "cool guy" into a more modest and down to Earth character while stilll retaining his core.
>>140193312
I can honestly not imagine that because I was betrayed by my older brother twice, he knowingly did so. I try to forgive him but it's hard. It's easy to say I do but to genuinely forgive him would take much more than that. I still take care and help him if he needs it because he's family but I still feel the pain inside. I'm avoidant and have a hard time trusting people because of these things.
Sorry for the mini blog
>>140193848
He literally did just that; he was just also dead.
>>140193848
I guess it comes down to what the writers thought was the more effective message - showing the weak, quiet types that confidence can take you a long way, or showing the boisterous and loud people of japan that a more moderate approach might take them further. Frankly, I can't blame them for the direction they took it.
>>140193848
Thing is, he was that modest cool guy the whole time. He let his guard down all the time when it was just Yoko and Simon, and had some very serious conversations about his feelings and ambitions. The only way he could lead humanity to victory was by inspiring his team with overwhelming tenacity and bravado, and he did that with such genuine spirit because that's how strong his desire to create a better future for everyone was, not because he was a reckless moron who just hated to lose a fight like some faggots try to portray him as. I said it once and I'll say it again, Kamina was a hero.
>>140194278
There has to be a balance. A brave heart as well as a calm head
>>140194278
I think for TTGL's message, Simon is the perfect character through which to convey it.
The only reason why Kamina seemed so great to Simon was because he himself was so small. The problem was just that Simon saw that greatness and used it as a crutch. Once Simon at the end of TTGL realized that he has long surpassed the person he looked up to, he resolves to be the same model figure to generations after him who may be in the same pit of smallness Simon had once lived in.
>>140194865
Yes, but out of the two possible transformations, the series focused on the more effective one, to the same end. Simon encapsulated both ideals, trending towards bravery and indomitable will as his character development continued. Kamina and Rossiu both represent one of two extremes, with Kamina dying and Rossiu being presented as a borderline villain.
While Simon represents both, the series does value heart over mind in that way. The anti-spiral is essentially a character who acted out of conscious consideration of what would be best, but did so out of fear of the spiral nemesis. He had no confidence in his ability to battle it head on, and instead took a smart, but inhuman and immoral approach of shackling spiral species. The Anti-Spiral is a pretty amazing example of a villain who's intimidating and evil on a cosmic scale, but also somehow relatable and essentially well-meaning. In the context of TTGL's setting and story, his approach just happened to be wrong - it's an extension of why and how Rossiu was wrong.
Viral and Kittan had more character development if you ask me. Personally I like those two the best out of the whole cast.
Also I can't understand some people's complaints towards Nia or the second half.
>>140180732
>Pretentious
>>>/out/
>>140195418
The only thing Rossiu did wrong was apply logic in a world where you can literally do anything by sheer force of will and spirit. But yeah the Anti-spirals are a pretty great villain.
If Spiral power is fighting spirit and willpower, then it makes sense that its antithesis is an embodiment of despair and fear.
>>140195428
I've heard some people say Nia dying at the end came completely out of left field and it makes me wonder if they had the attention span of a fly during the duration of the show.
>>140195418
It's surprising how many people don't get the most of the villains (village chiefs for simon and rossiu, lord genome, rossiu in 2nd half, and the anti-spiral) were all thematically consistent in that they all choose to take the coldly "rational" option that sacrifices chance of hope and progress for survival.
>>140193553
>I bet you like IBO.
nope
>I bet you think G-Reco is deep
nope
>I bet you liked Cross Ange, Aldnoah Zero, and Valvrave
nope. i don't like shit with aliens and dragons in it.
>>140195428
I didn't like how slow some of the "Rossiu is gonna take over from Simon!"episodes were, and I guess I could see how some might find Nia pure wish fulfillment with how Simon found her in a garbage dump and see pretty much loved him unconditionally.I've only watched the show once because Kamina's death makes me depressed for the rest of the series
These threads never cease to amuse me
>>140175311
its been 9 years annd kamina still trigger faggots like you
>>140193918
No sweat Shinji.
Facing your flaws and becoming a better person by moving past them is what being a man is all about.
