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Why do people think this is a propaganda show? They could probably replace Japan with any other country and it would get the same complaint.
>>140093577
Not with commie
Because Japanese writers are not allowed to be proud of their country or else gaijins will be furious.
>>140093577
Probably because IRL the JSDF have 0 real combat experience and are pretty much protected by the US if anything big happened because they don't have many troops or funding
>>140093577
Because the writer already replace America, switch it with japs.
>>140093577
It isn't, people just like to whine about anything they can, and propaganda is the easiest target for them to seek in this case
The China is bad meme is getting pretty stale, but it's a shit show regardless.
>>140093577
it's pretty hilarious watching Japan being the champion of international laws of war
>>140093577
>They could probably replace Japan with any other country and it would get the same complaint.
If it was switched with the USA people will praise the shit out of this show
Because they only show the positives that japan has done in history and ignore the mistakes and terrible things it has done. That is called Propaganda.
>>140095305
Yeah, it would basically be "AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!" every single thread. Not that I would mind or anything.
>>140095305
Because the US carpet bombing poor people is cool as fuck and realistic
When Japan does it that takes away the suspension of disbelief because Japan is a nation full of sissy twinkbois now
>>140093834
This. The problem lies in that the JSDF is literally glorified cops, and have no real military power
>>140094219
Well it doesn't help when Tencent the biggest company in Japan is literally more jewish than Jews, more crooked than Wall Street, and I think is ACTUALLY trying to take over the world.
Also public dog eating contests.
>>140095451
*in China
>>140095437
t.jamal jackson
>>140095570
t. Vladamir Vovukshek
>>140095359
But what did Japan ever do wrong
>>140095637
They created the American Weeaboo.
>>140095637
Tons of things.
>>140095637
Anime
Frankly, the show would be better if it was all about promoting the JSDF instead of D Tier waifubait like the elf bitch.
>>140095637
Elfen Lied
>>140095736
It really would've been. The whole Tuka thing was retarded, and Lelei's thing was also completely uninteresting.
>>140095637
>>140095637
Pearl Harbor of course! It's the biggest war crime in history!
>>140095826
motherfucker what is it with Japns and knowing about obscure european history that the natives dont even know about
The author was in the JSDF and today's JSDF is modeled after american military because of WW2
>>140096016
Its like an american soldier writing a book called "Fucking AMERICA
>Gate Thread
>>140093684
You mean Americans think this is a propaganda show.
>>140093577
That's exactly how you know it's a propaganda show, dumbass. If that weren't the case, then it would clearly mean the critics are just being retarded nationalists.
>>140093577
Cause only merica can do this kind of shit.
>>140097118
It'd be pretty funny if Gate was set in North Korea
>>140093577
America as monopoly of the nationalist propaganda.
>>140093577
Because most of Japan is opposed to re-militarisation
>>140095359
Shitty third world country soldiers kill and rape civilians
>Muh humans rights
>Soldiers pay for their crimes
American soldiers kill and rape civilians
>Soldiers get slap in the wrist
>>140095905
>Japanese russo/sino war general
>obscure european history
What?
>>140093577
>>140097701
What do Europeans even learn in history?
>>140097715
>implying you need direct combat experience
>>140097679
>>140097679
Yeah I remember that.
Two american soldiers ran over and killed 2 grade school girls, which prompted PSY to make an anti-american song which he has to apologize for when Gangnam Style became popular
>>140093577
>Why do people think this is a propaganda show?
Gate had problems from strident posters. Well, the chinese government is known for hiring hordes of chinese who know foreign languages. Their job is to go post defensively on major foreign sites to derail or stop or even attack posts or ad hominem certain posters to get them to shut up. The chinese posters in /a/ displayed that pattern as they had no real interest in Gate as a legitimate cultural topic. Both Gate fans and the chinese posters can talk about the same JSDF topic, but one side seems "sterile" and that made their posts suspicious.
China's Officially Hired Forum Commentators (tens of thousands of them).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party
To be a 50center, the Ministry of Culture of the People's Republic of China now holds regular training sessions, where participants are required to pass an exam after which they are issued a job certification.
Water Army: Besides the 50cent Army, there are professional writers also recruited and they are paid more by the Chinese Government as the Internet Water Army.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Water_Army
>>140098189
Is this legit or bait
>>140093577
I expected
>Nipon fakku yea
Instead it had too many cute girls. Pretty funny though.
>>140098344
legit, some chinks and butthurt worst koreans were caught in previous Gate threads shitposting about Gate being a nationalist propaganda. some were caught too in le reddit forums
>>140098344
Both. China does these things. Probably not to Gate. Gate is nationalistic and jingotastic as fuck. Some of its fans don't like admitting that.
because duhhhhhh.......
>>140093577
Because communists fucking hate the idea of a nation
>>140093577
I kinda hated when the special forces were ripped apart by the japanese without counter
>>140093577
Every nation except America would be accused of being nationalist if they made something like Gate.
I'd like to see what would happen if Germany did that.
>>140098439
>>140098441
>literally paid to shitpost
I guess China can be nice sometimes too.
>>140098541
Why? What's wrong with a nation?
>>140098612
the mercenaries were actually lower rung out of army guys and equipped with civilian-grade equipment bought in akihabara so US will have plausible deniability if the operation fails, thats why they dont even have NV goggles
"we dont know these guys, these guys probably just some gun nuts who bought their equipment in akihabara and playing spec ops"
>>140098771
China wants to appear to be the only good nation in asia and no one else, so they do every thing even paying people to shitpost in the internet
>>140098784
They were black ops agents. Not special forces.
>>140099019
semantics.
the point is they were poorly equipped to deal a properly armed and supported saf forces and out gunned to since the LN mentions outnumber the three forces by 3 to 1
>>140093577
Yes, if they replaced Japan with any other country, yet still had much the same narrative, it likely would.
I mean, seriously, that's propaganda for you.
Connecticut Yankee, Conrad Starguard, the Lost Regiment, 1632, Destroyermen, Lord Kalvan of Otherwhen, Lest Darkness Fall, TwoFeathers from America, it's hard not to get the idea that authors are pushing their narrative to a certain extent.
Some more than others.
>>140098668
Well, there was that episode of Star Trek...
The only problem with Gate is the waifu faggotry instead of armed forces faggotry.
I can jack off to bullshit magical girl waifus any day, but what I really want is episode after episode of barbarians being blown away with modern weaponry.
>>140093577
Just butthurt murrikans
>>140098668
>What if Germany did that
/Pol/ would raid the board and post non-stop about how great Germany is
>>140098668
>Every nation except America
ESPECIALLY America
When is this meme going to end?
>>140099364
I mean, it would be nationalist. But it would also be far more believable since America has the best equipped/supplied and (arguably) most experienced armed force in the world at the present time.
>>140099793
Nice meme
>>140099793
Too bad America doesn't know how to use it for shit
>>140099793
How is that matter when the enemy is just some dudes with pointy sticks?
>>140099138
It's not semantics, though.
Mercenarie implies that they are active paramilitary. Those guys weren't. They were basically all the CIA Far East Branch station operatives (undercover spies, technicians, etc) with weapons training that they could get on short notice.
They had exactly one night to do their snatch, which means no intel, no overt support and they were walking into an ambush set by JGSDF special forces who had home ground advantage and extensive support. The CIA people would all have been killed if Motoi was not forced to call them off.
>>140100575
>spies are cowards who can't fight for shit guys, army ftw
>>140100735
Man get the hell outta here, Sakuma.
ELVES IN JEANS
>>140093577
Murricans get triggered when another country's army shows any form of competence, even if it's just in fiction.
>>140093577
Because you can't have a show with military without USA being the center of the attetion it seems.
season 3 when?
>>140097844
yes
>>140098189
Holy shit. An actual internet army. Imagine being paid to shit post and flame.
I'm in.
Also why are we discussing such a gay show like gate.
>>140100735
Spies aren't meant to fight. They'd be very bad spies if they had to fight. They're still trained with weapons, but it's not their job.
>>140095451
Tencent developed the civilian scoring "game," right?
This is the result of having a culture that won't go full PC over its war crimes.
Japan has apologised for their past crimes, but unlike, say, Germany, they haven't thrown themselves at the feet of the Chinese.
Just imagine any entertainment company in Germany attempting to glorify their (present) army and portray anyone else as bad. Liberals would go apeshit.
>>140102128
Hasn't the current government tried to pretend the Rape of Nanking didn't happen?
I'm fine with nations not going full cuck like Germany, but that shit was horrific.
>>140102189
Well, Abe is part of Nippon Kaigi.
>>140098189
Not even /pol/ can make this shit up
>>140102281
Russia does it as well. There's also an American company that does it and is supporting Ted Cruz. Look up Applied Memetics sometime.
>>140093577
>>140093873
>>140095359
Reminder that in America people would look down on you if you don't clap like a retard to welcome the troops coming back from war.
>>140093577
fuck them anon, I enjoy seeing Men with spears getting blown up hard too
>>140102281
I think its a Socialist government thing. In my country, our government has its own agencies to monitor social media and post on them a lot.
People in here have dubbed it the "troll centre".
I think Venezuela's government does it as well.
In Argentina, you have militant socialists like members of La Campora who do this shit as well.
I've heard this is also very common in Russia, under Putin.
>>140102128
We'd just think it's ridiculous and either ignore it or take it as a comedy.
>>140102189
There is an excerpt from Japanese school textbooks that censors the whole event down to "there was an incident".
>>140102189
Unit 731 was better than Nanking desu.
Trying to avoid a tragedy such as genocide/mass murder that your country performed in anyway is pretty sad desu.
>>140102640
>an incident
"Two Japanese soldiers have climbed over the garden wall and are about to break into our house. When I appear they give the excuse that they saw two Chinese soldiers climb over the wall. When I show them my party badge, they return the same way. In one of the houses in the narrow street behind my garden wall, a woman was raped, and then wounded in the neck with a bayonet. I managed to get an ambulance so we can take her to Kulou Hospital ... Last night up to 1,000 women and girls are said to have been raped, about 100 girls at Ginling College. . . alone. You hear nothing but rape. If husbands or brothers intervene, they're shot. What you hear and see on all sides is the brutality and bestiality of the Japanese soldiers" -John Rabe, 12/7/1937
>>140095359
Shit happens. The chinks and the gooks need to just get over it. The only unforgivable thing that they did was Pearl Harbor.
>>140102857
And that from a fanatical Nazi.
So this is getting a 3rrd and 4th season right? I heard it was getting them
I need more gate damnit. I cant wait over nine thousand years for the manga
>>140103002
Read the novels
>>140102443
I feel truly blessed to live in a country like Canada where our teenagers spout our government's taglines without being paid.
>>140103047
Are they trnaslated? I cant read moonrunes nigga
>>140102857
>Nazi human rights activist
What is next? Saudi Arabia defending woman's rights?
>>140103231
Always remember who your countrymen elected
>>140103358
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>>140093577
Just enjoy the show man.Rory a qt. Lelei too. Tuka, good enough.
Seeing those medieval folk call our modern weapons shit like "Iron Elephant" is quite.
>>140103343
You'd be surprised. The Germans weren't all fanatic Hitlerists.
The Germans in ww1 were the ones who documented the Armenian genocide, too. They even sent messages to turkey asking them to knock it off because it's making the allied forces look bad.
Nazis didn't see chinese as being subhuman so much because they didn't think about them. It wasn't part of party doctrine so you could think what you wanted about them.
>>140102640
Novel fags, how much more material is left as of now not animated? Spoil my ass, i dont care, the novels will take to long to be tled anyways.
>>140093577
>>140103436
>>140103047
Ok fine it looks interesting where do I start the manga, the show or the novels?
>>140103583
Usually at the beginning of them.
>>140103583
watch the anime, ignore the light novel and manga for now. The anime is literally the furthest youll get into the story since the manga and novel are being tled at a snails pace
>>140103002
>So this is getting a 3rrd and 4th season right? I heard it was getting them
I'm curious where you heard this. Gate was originally planned as a two cour show and that was it. I think it averaged like 5k a volume, not really good at all.
>>140095437
You should read the Salvation War books. There's two and essentially heaven has been closed for the past 1,000 years and God forsakes all of mankind and gives us to Satan. Satan invades via a portal in the middle east I think and fights like they did in the middle ages. We summarily proceed to wipe out the invasion force with our advanced weapons, carpet bombing, missiles, nerve gas, tanks, etc. Then all of mankind unites to invade Hell and kick ass. Second book mankind invades heaven.
>>140103695
I recall a thread where some one posted a poster about a third and 4th cour, and this was while the second cour was airing
God damnit why is it novels getting adapted now. I cant even decide to catch up with the source material anymore because I cant into runes. Why live
>>140093577
>>140093577
>They could probably replace Japan with any other country and it would get the same complaint.
so how is it not a "propaganda show" then dumbass. your argument is weak as fuck.
>>140103583
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>>140103668
Also I heard some people complaining about the differences in character designs for Anime, LN and Manga.Like how Kuribayashi isn't an oppai loli and Rory has a longer skirt.Don't have the comparison, though.
For now, just go with the anime.
>>140103497
Is still hypocrisy though they did terrible things to their enemies but they dont like when others do the same.
>But is not all Germans
Not all Japanese are mass murders either
>But they brainwash their citizens
See
>>140102392
>>140098143
>>140097679
Is the same shit everywhere. Sure the Japanese and Germans did terrible things but the allied forces when rape party on the German woman, Saudi Arabia talks about humans rights
in the UN while beheading their own people. In the end what determinates if you are a good or bad guy it depends of how much power you have.
You guys want more gate, but american? Read the salvation war
bear in mind it was supposed to be a trilogy but due to assmad theists part 3 never
Yes, you guessed it, it sgate except instead of cute grils and faggot knights fighting with glorious nippon, its america taking war to hell and heaven
So much false equivalency in this thread.
Yes, everyone who isn't a jingoistic retard knows that the Allied powers committed war crimes during WWII. While the worst by far (rape of hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of German women by the Soviets on the Eastern Front) were because of the Soviets, there was definitely some reprehensible shit done by Americans as well.
The difference is that the war crimes committed by Americans were isolated incidents rather than systematic occurrences and that they were extralegal actions. By contrast, if you look at Japan, a number of the most serious war crimes originated in orders handed down from the leadership.
Unit 731? They were acting with official sanction.
The Three Alls (Burn All, Loot All, Kill All) policy? It was enacted by the commanding general of the China theater.
Comfort women? Again, the result of an official policy of the Japanese military.
The Nanking massacre is actually the one incident that happened without the official backing of the Japanese military, even though it is the most iconic of Japan's war crimes.
TLDR version: Japanese war crimes were the consequence of official policies by the Japanese military. American war crimes were the result of rogue retards acting contrary to the official policies of the American military. In light of this, equating them is fucking stupid.
>>140105278
The Allies' war crimes are also mentioned in history books. Hell, in middle school my class spent several days debating Fat Man and Little Boy. They aren't just mentioned as "An incident occured."
>>140105278
Yea every one knows that rape committed by is less armful to the victims and if you get killed by an american you get a free pass to Jesusland
Damn this show, it is basically Japanese version of CoD, but instead of Americans making everyone else suck their dicks with explosion in the background, it is the fucking Jap. If you have seen the fucking ending of the second season, you probably understand why this show is a piece of fucking propaganda.
>>140105278
>Ok we might kill and rape but the other guys are worst
Whatever makes you feel better anon
>>140105792
More like Japan trying to make their dick look huge when the JSDF is impotent and they're protected by the US.
Sugawara is such a lucky bastard, he gets to enjoy Sherry's young puffy vulva.
>>140105861
Is funny how you guys get so butthurt over this show. Everyone knows that is not realistic but instead of just laugh and brush it off you actually get mad.
>>140105278
Alied generals gave some fucked up orders too though. Even without neuclear weapons Allied bombing campaigns could be would have been considered war crimes had they lost the war, and they knew it. Most of the bombing contributed little to the war effort and only existed as petty revenge and psychological warfare. It's estimated they could have achieved the same effect with 10% as many bombs had they limited their targets to key infrastructure, but the people in charge just wanted to watch shit burn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II
>>140106021
Who said I'm mad? I just think it's silly that a glorified police for is having itself portrayed like this.
>>140093577
>Why do people think this is a propaganda show?
That has to be bait. If not. It's so obvious it's not even funny.
- Nobody seems to dislike the JSDF for mowing down tens of thousands of people. The enemies basically think it's normal, the others don't care.
- The world really consists only of sheep (innocents), wolves (evil killers), and sheepdogs (good killers), if I may quote American Sniper. "No greys, nothing to argue about, just good and evil."
- On the evil side, no women or children are to be expected.
- Bringing an immortal creature, whose purpose in life is to kill people, to Japan is not worth discussing as long as its trail of beheaded people looks like it's made of wrongdoers.
- Every country trying to intervene in Japan's plans is stupid and overly aggressive
- The JSDF can not only shoot down American, Russian, and Chinese teams with no own casualties, they also don't have to care about repercussions, because those nations are so evil, they couldn't argue about the incident in public.
- Negotiation and forcing enemies to surrender is overrated. In the digital era, nobody cares if you kill uncounted numbers whose equipment seems to come from the classical era. Why stop them with some fireworks and a loudspeaker if you can blow everything up? It's not like anti-war demonstrations exist.
-Japanese soldiers rarely die.
- Collateral damage doesn't exist. Not even if you let your attack helis fire explosives inside of a city.
- Nobody ever discusses these things. It's nothing that people generally care about.
>They could probably replace Japan with any other country and it would get the same complaint.
Of course it would, and it sure do. But it usually happens in non-english spaces, so that's why you don't see it. Hollywood and Michael Bay and it tendencies to show an American flag every 5 minutes of his films are a great example of this.
>>140102189
Yeah, Japan won't acknowledge it.
>>140095451
>no real military power
What? They have American military weaponry, American military vehicles and even elite American training.
They are legally bound to be a defensive force. But if they need to fight, they could probably handily destroy North Korea by themselves.
>>140105856
And is not a thing of the past either it keeps happening but only handful of people in the armed forces has the guts to say something and when they do they are treated like traitors while the rapists/muerders are protected.
>>140106165
My favorite part is when they deduce the soldiers they are fighting MUST be Americans because only Americans have black special forces operators.
So will Konosuba totally kill any hopes for a new Gate season?
>>140103721
Highlights of book 1: suicide bombers allahu akhbar devils and the demons get rekt so hard they get PTSD. Also, PFLH.
book 2 highlights: heaven nukes earth, earth nukes heaven back. Radars are lazers. Angel hookers.
>>140106165
>Of course it would, and it sure do. But it usually happens in non-english spaces, so that's why you don't see it. Hollywood and Michael Bay and it tendencies to show an American flag every 5 minutes of his films are a great example of this
That is the thing when America doest it is ok but when anyone else doest is wrong. But is also weird because is not the first time that anime puts Japan in the center of the universe but this time it actually made a lot of people mad. But why? Is because this time it was with guns instead of katanas/magic/giant robots?
>>140106299
I think it all depends on whether or not Gate was relying on BD sales to influence another season. Gate did not have very good sells.
>>140093577
Because buttmad Americucks.
>>140106549
It's not that Japanese soldiers are the heroes, it's that everyone else is cartoonishly evil.
Michel bay movies usually have the rest of the world rallying behind the merican heroes, same with most anime. In here japan is portrayed as the heroic underdog that has to take on the entire world, that's the difference between patriotism and nationalism.
Patriotism: Other countries are good, but our country is the best.
Nationalism: Other countries are scheming bastards, and we have to constantly defend ourselves from them because we are the last bastion of polite civilization.
Patriotism is a healthy attitude, even if it makes you look like a hick sometimes. Nationalism is a toxic worldview that distorts your judgement and makes you look like an absolute prick.
>>140108095
>Nationalism: Other countries are scheming bastards, and we have to constantly defend ourselves from them
Sounds like realpolitik bro.
>>140093577
It's just amerifat's who can't distinguish between reality and fiction, ignore them.
>>140093577
Is the waifu game strong enough that I can overlook the occasional jap dick slaping my face?
>>140093577
Why do people think Hitler was a nationalist?
He could've done the same things in any other country and he would get the same complaint.
>>140108940
Godwin everybody. End of discussion.
>>140100575
You know spies. Bunch of bitchy little girls.
>>140108095
Nationalism is the belief that every people (nation) should have their own nation state. Patriotism is the belief that your country is good and worthy and you should work for its welfare.
Jingoism /= nationalism.
I'm a full blown commie but don't have anything against nationalism since it's the only fucking system of governance that actually works without devolving into a mess.
>>140093577
Want a non-troll, honest answer to OP question? Because people have watched too few Godzilla movies. All the franchise's "JSDF fighting monsters" cliches come from there. But try to explain that to /pol/'s casuals and plebs.
>>140106253
>My favorite part is when they deduce the soldiers they are fighting MUST be Americans because only Americans have black special forces operators.
Because it is true. Because most Americans are so retarded they don't realise how unusual their nation's racial composition are, and that out of the three major factions who would send black ops, Americans are the most likely to send someone with dark skin. The fact that you don't know that already prove you are an American.
>>140109211
>arbitrary rules
We don't care, what now nerd.
>>140102980
>>140103343
The medical unit of the SS told to the 731 unit to stop with the shit they where making because they where too sadist to produce any viable result
>>140108889
The waifus were massacred from the manga version. THey're all bland J-pop idols now.
>>140110619
>nation matters
One thing that has been clear in history of mankind is that the ideals, symbols, people and all things that basically make a nation mean absolutely nothing in long run.
Thousand years from now there won't be any stars and stripes, double headed eagle or commie stars.
All that will be left are faggots who killed each other for clay/money/different believes.
>>140108215
No, that's the stance that the only thing that matters in international relations is power and the concept of good and bad have no application to nations.
>>140111735
>The strong dictate policy to the weak
>To protect your nation from being exploited, you must be strong
>Do anything to attain that strength.
>Everyone thinks the same way, because people don't become strong by yielding power
>>140111735
You may agree or not with the second, but the first can't be denied
>>140106125
>Who said I'm mad?
Your behaviour
>>140111215
>would send black ops
kek
>>140100575
The reason the op failed was because they sent marines.
If the CIA used real SOF like Pararescue or SOWT they would have made the grab for sure.
>>140112130
CIA should have just sent in CIA. CIA could have nabbed them no problem.
>>140105610
You do have the pleasure of knowing that if you get raped by an American, he wasn't doing it with the approval of his government. If he was caught and proved guilty, he was either discharged, jailed, or shot, or a mix of the 3.
The US is smart enough to realize what a PR disaster rape is for an occupying force.
>>140112173
I forgot to attach the pic
>>140112277
Why should the US still be occupying them? It's been long enough. Trump was right, give them their own nukes and have them look to their own defenses.
>>140111215
If RL US was planning this operation, they would send Chinese Americans with QBZ's (yes they do have a supply of those). And have them communicate in Chinese during the op.
>>140112365
during WW2 dumbass.
The US shot about 40 people for rape, and discharged a bunch more.
>>140093577
shit
>Japan even being allowed to use the gate
Lel
>>140102443
They have to do it in Russia. If the populace figured out that the rest of the world isn't as much of a shithole as Russian they'd have another revolution. You have to keep the old Soviet fantasy alive by convincing your people that everyone telling you your country is shit are just liars and spies.
>>140100575
>with weapons training that they could get on short notice
CIA has has active paramilitary...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Activities_Division
>>140105359
Pft, I can find today, dozens of Internet warriors who will handwave the nuclear bombs as totally necessary, no discussion, no debate, stop arguing you peon.
>>140095359
>only focusing on the positives is propaganda
Only in the recent self flagellating west is this the case faggot
>>140105359
>debating Fat Man and Little Boy
Literally the plebbest and most ignorant examples of war crimes. I honestly am starting to think that "debates" about the nuclear bombs is a honeypot/distraction from the Allies' other, more morally heinous, war crimes.
>>140093577
Because it's completely delusional for Japan, a country without even an actual country, to do what it did in the show. Only a superpower can pull out something like that without any backlash.
>>140116262
Japan is an American proxy, in the manga/light novel they acknowledge this and even mention material aid from the US.
>>140105278
>The difference is that the war crimes committed by Americans were isolated incidents rather than systematic occurrences and that they were extralegal actions
Allied propaganda at work yet again
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_bombing_during_World_War_II
>>140095868
>americans still mad about Pearl Harbour
>>140116291
But they tried to cockblock the US, refused to share any information about the Gate and even talked about closing their border to the whole world, including the US, to monopoly the Gate. No way they could try anything like that IRL. A very traitorous proxy, if you ask me.
>>140095637
Pearl Harbor and East Asia.
>>140116751
When they talked about closing their border to the whole world, US was an exception. Unless you wee talking about Yanagida when he was explaining to Itami, in which case he was generalizing.
They also shared information with the US, even though it was limited, but there was some stuff they weren't willing to share (for logical reasons). Nobody's perfect.
>>140111584
>because getting invaded and genocided sounds like a good idea
When you have a nation ran by people that care about you, you can have a easier life than being under your neighbours rule who wants to kill you and take your resources.
>>140116926
>When they talked about closing their border to the whole world, US was an exception
[Citation needed]
>They also shared information with the US, even though it was limited, but there was some stuff they weren't willing to share (for logical reasons). Nobody's perfect.
If it's not for the US, the chinks and the gooks would have wrecked their shits. They showing any little sigh of not obeying is totally delusional and unrealistic.
>>140117098
http://skythewood.blogspot.sg/2016/01/GJ49.html
>Only the American foreign minister was smiling. The TMCSUSJ permitted American soldiers to bear arms on Japanese soil, so the above conditions were largely irrelevant to them. As for the deposit money, there was no need for the US to worry about getting it back, given the relationship between the US and Japan. In addition, the sum was a pittance compared to the potentially vast benefits they could gain from the Gate.
>If it's not for the US, the chinks and the gooks would have wrecked their shits.
Wrong, the chinks and gooks wouldn't be able to touch them in the time period of WW2, and still would have problems today (though China is getting larger). At the time, the Russians were wrecking their shit and a swift US takeover prevented any encroachment from Russia outside the continent (other than the Kuril islands)
>any little sigh of not obeying is totally delusional and unrealistic
You are the one being delusional and unrealistic, welcome to the world of politics.
>>140106234
>They have American military weaponry, American military vehicles and even elite American training.
The Iraqi army also has those thing, even more than the Japaneses, and guess what happened when 30 thousands of them facing a JV team consisted of hundred of sandal-wearing hobos?
>>140117716
>The Iraqi army also has those thing (elite American training)
No they didn't, the US literally trained the Iraqi Army as checkpoint guards. Because, guess what, building an army from scratch (they completely dissolved Saddam's Republican Guard) is incredibly hard and takes a long time.
>>140117937
>No they didn't, the US literally trained the Iraqi Army as checkpoint guards
Nope, they trained them as counter-terrorist forces because Al-Qaeda and Saddam's remnant are still there, so they needed an army strong enough to maintain order once the US military pulled out, or that's how things're supposed to be.
>>140098668
>>140118209
>or that's how things're supposed to be
And that's the problem. In the Iraq war a lot of thing that were supposed to be, were not.
https://next.ft.com/content/a089e41e-081c-11e4-9afc-00144feab7de
>>140118209
Actually, both of us were right.
http://warisboring.com/articles/the-u-s-militarys-poor-record-training-the-iraqi-army/
“The Iraqi army that we left in 2011 was an army that had been trained for counterinsurgency. That means route clearance, checkpoint operations, and IED [improvised explosive device] reduction, for example. The Iraqi army that collapsed in 2014 was … not trained and … not ready for a conventional fight — the conventional assault that ISIL brought to Mosul and beyond.”
Is the dark elf in the show yet? Should I bother watching the show? Does it being anything new to the table, compared to the manga?
>>140111584
>no double headed eagle
>>140108095
This. It's not that the Japanese are doing cool shit and kicking ass, its that Russia and China are cartoon evil, and America is both cartoon evil and inexplicably just as hostile to Japan, despite the past... Seventy years at this point.
And yes, I date that from 1946, and this is also on the running topic of war crimes.
However many people LeMay might have killed in the strategic bombing campaigns, plus the atomic bombs, all that the U.S. would have needed to do to cause an order of magnitude more deaths in Japan after the surrender was to do nothing, and let several million people starve.
What actually happened was that the U.S. provided 92 million dollars worth of food aid (slightly more than a billion in 2016 dollars) in 1946, and three times that amount in '47. It's one of those things that you never really hear about that much.
>>140118495
Yes
No
Only color and movement. I despise the designs, art, and direction. Manga is much better, but the anime has gotten ahead of the manga (S2) so watch if you're craving (poor delivered) plot and you don't feel like reading some guy's summary on animesuki forums.
>>140095637
They raped koreans and gave them tsundere stockholm syndrome with daddy issues.
>>140118473
>Actually, both of us were right.
Agree. But my original point is that the Japaneses received no more, or could even less than the Iraqis, military training and equipment to face any conventional force. At least, the Iraqi army still had real experience fighting terrorists, insurgents and the US forces trained them with the mindset they would pull out soon. While the Japaneses have no real combat experience at all, and the US don't plan to retreat anytime soon.
>>140108095
>Michael Bay
That is just a resent example. Old American media is filled with stories were everyone else is either evil or an smelly, uncivilized retard.
>Toxic
>>>Tumblr
>>140118609
Who is being evil? Countries are looking out for their interests, just like in the real world and how realpolitik describes.
US, Russia, and China (maybe) doing shadowy shit with their intelligence agencies is also 100% completely accurate.
>>140118704
Fucking Independence Day.
>frenchman #1: americans found out how the save the world
>frenchman #2: about fucking time.
>>140093577
People are mad because they are getting a taste of their own nationalistic medicine.
>>140118609
This. The nukes were actually an act of mercy, it was done to breakdown the Japaneses' resistance and make them surrender. Because if they didn't, Downfall would have been conduct and millions of Japaneses would have been killed, half of their country could have even been occupied by the commies.
>>140118691
While experience is important, I think you're overestimating it's importance. The Japanese have actual training and the necessary institutions to fight conventional war, Iraq did not. It's an unfair comparison, literally comparing the capabilities between a toddler and an adult. The Japanese also holds regular joint exercises with the US.
>>140111584
>>140118550
In all seriousness, though, that's a dangerously nearsighted view. Maybe the symbols disappear (but the Aquila has had a solid run so far) and don't matter, but the question of 'how did we get here' is a valid one.
Eight hundred years ago, a group of petty lords were tired of their King making capacious decisions, so they decided to go make him agree to some ground rules - if they hadn't, modern society would be radially different.
Thirteen hundred years ago, the bastard son of a King led an army to fight an invading force, and if they hadn't stood firm, civilization today would be unrecognizable.
>>140116712
>nips still butthurt about the nukes
You reap what you sow
>>140118890
>half of their country could have even been occupied by the commies
This is the real reason we used the nukes
>>140119213
>we used the nukes
Jesus Christ, anon. How old are you?
>>140119334
I AM AMERICA AND (almost) 240 YEARS OLD
>>140093577
>Some fags reveal that the American government as being spying almost every other country even their own allies.
>B-But anime is making us look bad!
>>140118890
More than thirty Million civilian militia troops, including:
>Old men with muskets
>Old women with bamboo spears
>Anti-Tank Schoolgirls
As for the regular army:
>65 Divisions of troops
>40 Divisions of weapons
>30 Divisions of ammunition
>0 Intention to surrender
>>140093834
their enemy is fighting with swords and arrows so its still pretty believable
>>140118259
The original comic ended at the newspaper. Some fag added the rest and killed the joke.
>>140120109
Civilians and the army can't fight if they start starving from a complete naval blockade.
>>140118890
wups http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/05/30/the-bomb-didnt-beat-japan-stalin-did/
>>140121455
>http://foreignpolicy.com
Complete utter garbage.
Anyways the reason is both the bomb and stalin did.
>>140106165
>The JSDF can not only shoot down American, Russian, and Chinese teams with no own casualties, they also don't have to care about repercussions, because those nations are so evil, they couldn't argue about the incident in public.
i wonder what would happen if the US, russia and china would say in that case
"we tried kidnapping your tourists from another world, and since you killed all of our armed super secret special ops soldiers, we demand repercussions"
>>140121555
Do you not understand the principle of black ops? Officially, they don't happen, so you can't do shit like demand reparations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Activities_Division
>Special Operations Group (SOG) is the department within SAD responsible for operations that include high threat military or covert operations with which the U.S. government does not wish to be overtly associated.[2] As such, members of the unit (called Paramilitary Operations Officers and Specialized Skills Officers) normally do not carry any objects or clothing (e.g., military uniforms) that would associate them with the United States government.[3] If they are compromised during a mission, the United States government may deny all knowledge.[4]
>>140121716
..that was kinda my point
>>140121737
Oh sorry, I missed the sarcasm. Because sometimes black/secret ops do become sticking/sore points in international relations.
>>140112363
>JSOG being better than Force Recon
Holy shit. Just fuck my shit up senpai.
>>140122206
>being dropped on a mission by order of the White House with <24 hours notice and even less time planning and scouting
>get wrekt
It makes sense.
>>140118890
>Occupied by the commies
How the fuck would Russia get on Japan? IT had literally no navy; its plan to attack Japan required US ships literally borrowing it from them. Russia had no training in beach assaults or amphibious warfare like the US as well, and then there is the fact the US would've blockaded Russia.
I'm tired of this shit myth USSR was going to invade and occupy Japan.
>>140122538
They occupied Kuril islands just fine and were planning to invade Hokkaido
>>140112442
>If RL US was planning this operation, they would send Chinese Americans with QBZ's (yes they do have a supply of those). And have them communicate in Chinese during the op.
They had 24 hours to do the operation. They barely were able to get the team together in time, there was no means to be deceptive.
>>140122361
Not really, most of American Tier 1 and 2 teams can be deployed anywhere around the world within 24 hours. The training they go through would give them the ability to decimate the JSOG and extract without any further complications. However, it is highly unlikely that we would even need to send in any teams due to Japan being cucked by America.
>>140122538
The one who had no navy anymore was Japan. Soviets still had their navy, even if it was weak compared to the other major forces it was still enough to beat the few leftovers of the IJN.
>>140122538
Don't underestimate the will of Stalin. Red army would find a way.
Actually it would be fun to watch the steamrolling of what was left of Japan after the nukes.
Nowadays all they do is making patronizing statements about how the nukes are bad and how their poor poor civilians suffered.
It makes me wanna spit and I'm not even American.
>>140122919
The problem was that officially the Empire representatives (Pina and Bozes) officially "didn't exist"™ so, officially, it would be difficult to cuck Japan through the official channels in time to have them meet the US.
Also neither was deployment the problem, the problem is intel and operating basically completely blind. All the training and experience in the world won't help you if you walk directly into a death trap, after direct orders from the political leadership.
>/pol/ hour
About time this came back in GATE threads.
>>140108095
>cartoonishly evil.
how?
also you dont know what nationalism is.
>>140119107
>You reap what you sow
I know right?
>>140093577
Every show has "criticism" that is essentially retards throwing shit at the wall and watching if any of it sticks.
>>140125817
My little terrorists cant be this cute.
>>140116712
american still mad "blank blank blank "
could be said anytime
I liked this show too much.
>>140104443
I rather read Gate than that tripe. I can understand the weak to iron weaponry bullshit since that is the equivalent of a religion meme, but curing a fucking supernatural plague through penicillin? That shit went full retard in its wanking.
>>140125012
>anything related to politics and war is /pol/ tier
>>140106549
You don't think American movies get shit on for that?
Because they do.
>>140128860
Well, yes?
>>140095637
Rape of Nanking
Pearl Harbor
Comfort Women
Enslavement of koreans
Eradication of the Ainu
Being pretentious nasty cunts throughout the majority of history
>>140131100
You should see the books. Tom Clancy was practically masturbating American patriotism into his books at one point.
>>140132891
There's nothing particularly wrong with patriotism if your country is indeed the greatest nation to ever grace the face of the earth.
>>140132071
Pearl harbor was an attack on a naval base instead of civilians ameriterrorist
>>140125817
fuck you
>>140133201
Unprovoked attack.
>>140133612
>unprovoked
nah, they had decent reasons
>>140116751
Because the US was being greedy and trying to snatch a pair of (unofficial) foreign dignitaries in the care of Japan when later events revealed that they would be getting a piece of the pie at no risk to themselves.
>>140122919
I don't doubt they can physically get there, but I doubt they can get there covertly enough to avoid Japanese intelligence finding out. And remember that the location of the resort was deliberately leaked to foreign powers in order to draw in any hidden agents in the rushed mission which followed that night. Not to mention the restriction on equipment (basically they can't risk anything tying them to the US) would have rendered them pretty much the same as the CIA agents save training and determination.
>>140128129
The thing about the Salvation War trilogy is that that things which appear supernatural are just scientific phenomena which people do not understand and which they call supernatural because they don't want/dare to question it.
>>140132071
You forgot
>fucked over all of Southeast Asia in their mad quest for power
>>140133612
>>140133764
Honestly, what the fuck was Japan thinking by attacking Pearl Harbor, the US was the only one hitting them. If they had just chilled the fuck out and raped Asia harder instead then I would probably be part-Japanese from where my grandmother got raped by nips.
Unless the US was planning to step in anyway, then a pre-emptive strike makes sense.
I am very confused by this thread. What I gather is everyone is butthurt because in a fictional cartoon made in Japan, Japan has a military and acted like a first world nation. This is somehow propaganda?
>>140118691
>and the US don't plan to retreat anytime soon.
Not if Trump is elected.
He wants to either pull a large portion of military spending out of east asia, or make the Japanese and Koreans pay more on their end for it.
>>140134326
It's more like because the Japanese were shown as killing Americans in a turkey shoot scenario. Not that it could have turned out otherwise IRL, of course.
After that it's basically the civilized world (through the JSDF) being heroic and rectalragnaroking Iron Age Romans.
>>140134503
Proof that Trump is a fucking idiot when it comes to foreign policy. "Hey guys, let's let China take over".
>>140093577
I don't think it's any more Propaganda-ish than anything we here in the US put out. I mean, it could use the healthy dose of irony and being able to laugh at itself we put into stuff over here in Burgerstan, but whatever.
I just think it's poorly written and the setting could use some serious work.
Plus like, what's the point of throwing a modern military against a fantasy army if it's gonna end with a complete stomp, anyways? Both sides should be adapting and researching like their lives depended on it. Because you know, their lives depend on it.
Pic related did Lost Roman Legion founds an Empire way better, anyways.
>>140134530
>Not that it could have turned out otherwise IRL
A CIA SAD team would rek any JSDF opposition in real life. Those guys are hardcore and experienced.
>>140135881
The JSDF are trained by americans too.
>>140097727
That we've always killed each other in great numbers and that it's only a matter of time before we start killing each other again. Only now we've got nukes so maybe this time we can fuck the rest of the world too.
>>140097727
nazis are evil
>>140135878
>what's the point of throwing a modern military against a fantasy army if it's gonna end with a complete stomp, anyways?
Because it's interesting to imagine what the reactions of both sides might be? And because in all likelihood a purely military curb stomp wouldn't be the goal of the more advanced nation, nor would shooting people with spears to pieces be the major point or attraction of the show.
Dunno if I would call Jim Butcher's work better than Gate. It's certainly better written, but the Gate world feels fresher, at least to me. I enjoyed Gate a whole lot more.
>>140098439
I find that hard to believe, I mean this is 4chan so how'd you even know someone was a chink or gook? How did they manage to out themselves?
>>140093577
because Japan is full of noguns who are afraid of getting America's testicles of freedom dropped on them again if they start having a real military again. And bakagaijin anime watchers are full of noguns who think they'd actually be safe if their country had no guns or military at all and anything pro-military is seen as a threat to their cumchugging ideals.
>>140117716
the Iraqi national military had no faith in their leadership and didn't want to get pointlessly dickstomped by the US Military because the rich guy(s) at the top wanted to measure cocks with Uncle Sam. Then later on some privately funded warlord(s) show up and start offering far better pay than the national military ever did...
>>140135878
>Both sides should be adapting and researching like their lives depended on it. Because you know, their lives depend on it.
I get the feeling that they're slowly working up to that, it's pretty clear that magic could be the game changer for the fantasyfags. Just at the pace the anime is going, it'll only take like 30 seasons to get to that point.
>>140135603
You get what you deserve.
>>140138581
>They are afraid
Actually they are not allowed to have have or develop any mayor military equipment. If anything is everyone else that is afraid of what Japan could do if they become powerful enough to fight again
>>140139474
>Not allowed
If they weren't afraid of getting teabagged with a couple more bombs they'd tell the rest of the world that we can shove that rule up our asses
>>140111584
May not matter in the distant future, but it damn matters in the present and the near future ya ungrateful bastard.
