http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-04-11/crunchyroll-kadokawa-announce-partnership/.100932
>Media distribution service Crunchyroll and Japanese publisher Kadokawa Corporation announced a partnership on Monday that will grant Crunchyroll exclusive worldwide digital distribution rights outside of Asia for anime titles published by Kadokawa in the next year.
>Additionally, Crunchyroll will co-finance Kadokawa's future anime titles.
>The announcement stated that Crunchyroll has more than 20 million registered users worldwide (outside of Asia). The company previously stated last November that it had 20 million registered users and expected to have 750,000 paid subscribers by the end of 2015.
Well I guess this proves it, streaming and the West are irrelevant to Japan.
I thought Kadokawa was like, buddy buddy with nicovideo for streaming. But then again maybe that streaming is only for japanese users.
I really fucking miss 2009-2011.
>>139970260
>streaming and the West are irrelevant to Japan.
I don't get it, doesn't this means that it's really relevant?
Isn't this a plus for piracy as well? Most rips come from CR.
>>139970383
You're a retard and need to kill yourself.
>>139970383
That's the joke.
>>139970394
Probably.
>>139970416
I see.
Look on the bright side, at least this might keep more future shows out of Funi's astoundingly incompetent hands.
>>139970383
Well considering AssClass nearly paid itself through streaming in China. I think they're starting to see the potential in streaming.
Wew kado gonna be shoving that fucking re: born show whatever down our throats im sure
>>139970383
If it was relevant, they'd be trying to do the streaming theirselves since that would generate more profit. It is more they are testing the waters.
Wait what? I thought Kadokawa was in cahoots with Funi. But now this, and they've got a majority stake in Yen Press to boot. You know what this means.Haruhi S3
>>139970260
Way to fuck Funimation in the ass, Kadokawa. Well, if CR is able to inject enough money to produce more season of Kadokawa's LNs anime adaptation without second season then it'll be very cool.
>>139970394
Hopefully CR doesn't add a DRM similar as Amazon Prime's.
>>139970438
More specifically, the joke is that all the shitposters who talk about streaming going nowhere and the Western market being irrelevant (e.g. >>139970543) are a bunch of silly geese.
>>139970452
This is the only positive, The less Funi are around the better.
No fucking way that company makes a profit with the amount of retards and low quality stuff they put out.
>>139970551
>Haruhi S3
On the one hand it seems like easy money; on the other, the franchise has been dormant for a long time.
>>139970551
This + them buying Yen Press also making news on the same day makes it obvious what Kadokawa's up to - they're looking to expand Westward.
I'm expecting all of re: zero to be animated at this point.
>>139970543
Nips are eventually going to buy every official distributors of manga, anime and LNs. Aniplex bought Wakanim, Kadokawa bought Yen Press, CR and Kadokawa announcing partnership.
It's only a matter of time.
>>139970585
Nah mate, my post wasn't a shitpost. Western market really isn't too relevant and is barely a piss in the ocean in the anime industry. However, just like daisuki, this seems more like testing the water to see how much they can profit and whether the market should be relevant. If it proves to be successful, they'll probably drop CR when the license expires and make their own service or a more interesting future is they'll attempt a buyout of CR.
>>139970543
That's like saying they should make their own tv channel if they cared about television. This deal gives them full profit with barely any investment.
>>139970260
Sounds like more HorribleSubs to me. Great.
>>139970260
Yes, fuck funishit.
>20 million registered users
It could be much more if not for ridiculously retarded content (un)availability.
>What, you want to pay us money to watch anime in english, but you're not from this particular country(es)? Too bad, get fucked.
Well, fuck you too. Torrents all the way.
>>139970260
>750,000 paid subscribers
Membership is like 15 a month right? 11Mil isn't too bad in revenue for a streaming site. I'm honestly surprised it's that high
>>139970763
>Western market really isn't too relevant and is barely a piss in the ocean in the anime industry.
You can keep telling yourself that, but no matter how many times you post it, it won't be true.
>>139970835
I'm surprised it's that low.
Less than a million is nothing.
>>139970835
commercial revenue is much higher.
>>139970763
"Here, take global distribution rights for all of our shows and help fund some of them" and "testing the water" are different things, shitposter.
>>139970835
That's not counting ad revenue, either.
>>139970568
>Hopefully CR doesn't add a DRM similar as Amazon Prime's.
Isn't that exactly why people flock to CR and shun Funi? Aside from Funi's ridiculously shit hardsubs and video quality.
>>139970835
And not even a percent of that goes back to the industry.
I know CR is the lesser of 2 evils but can I expect this deal to give CR higher bitrate sources so every show that has any mild action in it doesn't look like a pixelated shitfest? This is under the assumption no one else is pushing subs out for a show.
>>139970906
What are licensing fees?
>>139970835
Actually, they have 20 million registered users aside from the 750k paid subs. From previous threads, the ad money they get from the remaining 19million 250k unpaid users apparently get them the same amount of money as the paid subscribers.
So if we use your math, CR actually gets 22mil a year as a streaming site. The big question is: how much do their servers cost?
>>139970946
>but can I expect this deal to give CR higher bitrate sources so every show that has any mild action in it doesn't look like a pixelated shitfest?
Why would that happen? CR is for stupid normalfags. Normalfags would eat literal pixelated garbage. Unless CR does something like hire Daiz, their quality is never going to improve in any form.
>>139970260
Good side of this: guaranteed rips
Bad side of this: fansubbing is dying even more
>>139970906
Kadokawa, Kodansha, and TV Tokyo wouldn't be partners with Crunchyroll if they're not getting anything out of them.
>>139970970
Well, if you count broadcasting stations as part of the industry then sure.
>>139971000
>tfw less and less shows without glorious typesetting
Nice trips, btw.
>>139970981
>remaining 19million 250k unpaid users
I don't think that's active users. A shit ton of them have to be dead accounts. Also I thought ad revenue was pretty shitty, like you get pennies per view, unless this works differently since they are an established website instead of a twitch stream or youtube video.
>>139971000
>Bad side of this: fansubbing is dying even more
It's already dead, anon. Face reality.
>>139971040
>Well, if you count broadcasting stations as part of the industry then sure.
>>139970991
The quality of their source is the quality we get the rips, I believe that's what he's saying.
>>139970260
>Crunchyroll will co-finance Kadokawa's future anime titles
With what? Rice bowls?
>>139971000
There's very few good fansubbers left anyway. I'd much rather have consistent subs than fucking flakes that drop shows mid season.
FUCK YOU COMMIE, STILL WAITING ON EP6 FOR CONCRETE
>>139971081
>Also I thought ad revenue was pretty shitty, like you get pennies per view, unless this works differently since they are an established website instead of a twitch stream or youtube video.
Which is why 19.25 million viewers and 750k subscribers have the same money earned I think. It's what they said anyway.
>>139971081
They once said ad revenue is higher than subscription's
>>139971081
They get more than pennies since you have registered users with information to tailor specific ads towards to which is big help in getting advertisement sponsors. That and you already have a sort of demographic to appeal to rather than YouTube which could literally be anybody.
>>139971117
Funny thing is, "fansubbers" (like Hiryuu) dropping shows even is all they do is ripping funishit without any coherent editing. And this after lagging for 1-2 weeks after each episode.
>>139971159
I didn't know advertising money worked like that. Thanks anon
>>139971116
>Rice bowls?
No, with crunchy rolls.
>>139970832
The countries thing is understandable, though. North America is their biggest market, ergo they will get priority. Expanding those streaming rights to other countries is excess cost for less return. If other areas increase participation, they'll come along.
>>139971212
hiryuu suddenly dropping off and not finishing grimgar has left me in a state of unease since I was using them and now I am no longer comfy. this is becoming common as commie or FFF dropping shit now.
>>139971159
Isn't it like $1 per 1,000 views per commercial in youtube? Probably has the same going rate in CR too.
>>139971259
I'm right there with you. I've come to expect groups to either stop or delay for weeks or even months. But whenever I think about just watching HS I get scared that the second I finish they'll upload their versions. For that reason I have like 9 shows in limbo.
>>139970832
Only 750,000 are paying. The rest of the 20 million watch with advertisements.
Wow it's almost as if CR does actually support the anime industry, but that can't be right.
Afterall /a/ said it doesn't help at all and it's not like /a/ to be wrong about everything.
>>139971259
Aren't they more Bluray subbers now?
>>139971304
DELETE THIS
>>139971235
Momoji, you are so cute and funny. I want to pat your fluffy little head.
>>139971304
Wait, you take anything on /a/ seriously? People here don't do anything but shitpost. You should have known to ignore those twats.
>>139971240
>license anime for UsofA
>make english-only sub
>let anyone from whatever country to watch it for money/ads
>?????
>CRUNCHYROLLING IN MONEY
>>139971304
It doesn't, anon. Western streaming is still barely that much and people have provided data for this shit, that doesn't mean it can't be made more profitable. Buying BD's and figs does still do more for the industry than buying a sub from CR.
or just use kissanime
>>139970902
Hardsubs are only shunned by subgroups that don't use their own scripts
>>139971304
That's just /a/ shitposts. Just like when people blame CR for killing fansubs and then any attempt at fansubbing just gets shit on by everyone.
>>139971368
I like to take screenshots with subs in the way tho. I make tons of wembs too.
>>139971346
I'm not completely up on the business practice, but I believe that Crunchyroll has regional licenses, which means anime licensed in Country A but not Country B means Country B gets the "this video is blocked in your country / region" like they do on YouTube, etc.
Unless I'm wrong about that entirely. Might be only a premium membership problem.
>>139971333
Since you got trips, I'll allow it.
>>139971389
You can do that with softsubs too though.
>>139971304
Most of the money comes from licensing fees.
I won't deny that some of the membership fee does go to them, crunchy however doesn't wish to disclose how much they actually give for whatever reason.
>Crunchyroll wins
FUUUUUUCKKKKK
ANIME IS KILL
>>139971368
Hardsubs are shunned because they are retarded to use and degrade video quality.
>>139971117
The good fansubbers found out they could make money doing what they love.
>>139971317
Nope. Other people doing blurays with their subs (well, there's not much to do).
>>139971259
Watch NotVeryFuni/Merchant - they did the same as Hiryuu, and I say did it even better. "Faster" and 'till the end" doesn't matter now.
>>139971415
You can only do that with softsubs. He said only subgroups shunned hardsubs. I was merely replying with why I and other people might also shun them.
>>139971368
I like being able and having the option to watch anime without subs (since I can understand Japanese). Also, hardsubs ruin the quality.
Softsubs also allow you to watch shows in different languages.
Gundam Unicorn did that with their official release and it's fun being able to read in Spanish and German.
>>139971419
>FUUUUUUCKKKKK
Kill yourself
Is this the crunchyroll shill thread? It's really weird that no one is dissing the shit out of them.
>>139971304
No, CR is cancer incarnate, ok?. They've contributed nothing to this world. I hate CR so much. I only need HorribleSubs in my life because their subs are fast and reliable.
A-all according to keikaku? I don't know anymore.
>>139971476
Yea fuck any legitimate discussion. If it's not filled with shitposts than its clearly a shill thread.
>>139971486
Add the death of that digimon singer and this recent news.
>>139971419
At least it isn't Funimation that wins.
>hardsubs and shitty dubbing
Why can't American actors just use their normal voices?
>>139971496
Where do you think you are?
>>139971461
>>139971432
>hardsubs ruin the quality
What did they meme by this?
>I like to turn off subs
Then DL the fucking raws, they're better quality either way. That's what you get for downloading an encode.
What is the problem?
Cruncyshit stuff is softsub and is fast.
They are much better than funishit. I don't understand the hate. Fansubs have not been relevant for years now. Literally dead.
>>139971416
Because it isn't relevant except to people who want to shitpost on the whole thing. CR isn't the only one not talking about it; the stations they partner with aren't talking either.
However, some information leaking recently showed that FUNimation was paying a lot of money for exclusive rights to Academia, so there's money to be made in the industry.
>>139971533
Fansubs are very relevant for uncensored HD shows.
>>139971366
This. My family always uses Kissanime for our chinese cartoons needs. Yesterday i just bought a premium account for my wife's son to watch boku no pico.
>>139971401
They do, and that's why most Southeast Asian subscribers are gimped on CR because they get almost nothing licensed on their region.
Fucking Odex needs to disappear.
When will they actually crack down on HS, or up their DRM, or involve anti-piracy companies to send angry letters to torrenters?
>>139971401
Still a stupid practice.
I mena, we're on internet, you can block the content but you shouldn't block the user from acessing the global site for example.
It would generate more revenue.
>>139971522
I always have a faint glimmer of hope that /a/ could be a decent place for discussion for some reason. Then I wake up and realize that I was being a moron.
>>139971533
My only problem with CR is their shit quality and low bitrate sources. Also it would help if the people subbing learned how to do proper typesetting so it isn't ugly as sin.
>>139971546
Why yes, which is why we have Reinforce and people can just mux the .ass into the files.
That many people actually pay for streamed anime? the fuck.
>>139971563
They won't, because the owners of CR were once pirates so they know the down-low. Besides, they've been growing exponentially even with HS around.
>>139970946
>can I expect this deal to give CR higher bitrate sources so every show that has any mild action in it doesn't look like a pixelated shitfest?
The sources they get are already good, the problem is that CR itself doesn't give a fuck. This is obvious when you compare their stuff to what other simulcasters who actually care about encode quality do, like the German Kazé:
http://diff.pics/3sktAIheNLjd/1
>>139971563
It would be pretty fucking difficult and I doubt they have the resources. Hell don't Netflix shows get ripped and torrented? If a massive company like that can't stop it CR have no chance
>>139971593
Well, think about it. If you can watch anime directly right as it airs instead of waiting for the download finishes, most people will go with the faster option.
And since CR makes it cost like one fastfood meal a month or something, it makes it really attractive.
It's like crowdfunding, except to watch anime.
>>139971593
suprise! 700K people actually has decent job to pay monthly, unlike poorpiratefag
>>139971461
CR allow you to watch without subtitles, Funi will also be doing this soon.
>>139971593
The majority are just kiddies that only ever watch the Big 3.
>>139971557
I'm sure CR would like to invade those markets more heavily, but I would guess that Japan is trying to keep most of the Asia market for itself. I know from other people that Australia and the UK (and Europe in general) still get kind of hosed, which sucks. Again, though, CR wants to make money, and if there's money there, they'll expand.
>>139971565
It's about licenses, which comes from two sources: the original station they're dealing with and the country-they-want-to-stream-in's rules. Buying Flying Witch from TV Tokyo (or whatever) is one thing, but buying it to broadcast in France requires cooperation from the French as well.
Another thing that crops up is music rights. I remember Eden of the East and Speed Grapher both getting hosed on their OPs because they were done by Oasis and Duran Duran respectively. That's additional money that has to be spent just to secure the IP rights to blare Girls On Film every episode.
>>139971643
Oh well that's a shame. Thanks for the info. Hopefully they'll change their mind about it in the near future. Probably doubtful though.
>>139971643
If they increase quality, they will have to pay more. Meaning, people will pay more. Meaning less people will subscribe. Meaning less growth. It's obvious why they don't give a fuck.
>>139971645
One group/website that rip CR versus the whole internet ripping netflix.
>>139971576
>I always have a faint glimmer of hope that /a/ could be a decent place for discussion for some reason.
Of course it could be, or should I say "be again", because, believe it or not, it has been in the past. The board culture used to be a lot more rigid and intolerant of bullshit, especially after all the dumbass kids went to bed. "Nighttime /a/" used to be a thing, and it was glorious.
>>139971682
>If they increase quality, they will have to pay more.
What anon? Why would they have to pay more? Quality is shit because they don't give a shit and shit out shit encoding. It has nothing to do with money.
>>139971659
>Funi will also be doing this soon.
They still have shit video quality. This is why I don't even watch Funi shows anymore. Their video player is also complete shit even when you compare it to Crunchyroll's and their advertisement filled video player.
>>139971678
They literally haven't done a single update to their encoding setup since December 2011. I wouldn't hold my breath.
>>139971486
>cosplaying as One-Punch man
Hah
>>139971693
One group of stubborn, autistic weeaboos.
>>139971593
Could be expired trial accounts. You know, "sign-in now and get a 3 day free premium subscription so you can watch all those narutos!" and then the accounts went unused.
>>139971717
>having to use different video player for each streaming provider
This kills me the most. May piracy live forever.
Someone please translate this Japanese article into English.
http://zasshi.news.yahoo.co.jp/article?a=20160406-00010006-otapolz-ent
>>139971643
Daaaasaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiz
>>139971735
They have trial accounts?
>>139971666
>but buying it to broadcast in France
They don't broadcast anywhere aside from internet.
>>139970835
I've been a paid subscriber for years on CR. We've known this for years, you're extremely late to the party.
No wonder all my arguments fell on deaf ears, you guys are horribly uninformed.
>>139971718
I guess they wouldn't care since most of us torrent anyway. If there was a bigger push in their community of subscribers maybe they would consider it.
>>139970260
>Crunchyroll,
Who cares, fuck off.
>>139971259
Hiryuu always were a shit group that almost only subbed ecchi shows. Your fault for placing your trust in them.
>>139971755
Fuck off shill.
>>139971748
I believe they used to do some sort of 30 day free trial. It's been a few years so i'm not sure if they still do them.
>>139971748
Yep. They give members trial codes to give to others to try things out for free for a week or so.
I would imagine that those premium account numbers are legit, though. Cooking the books can lead to some bad juju, so it is probably close, within 10k or so.
>>139971658
>implying the average working people would be watching anime in the first place
Nice try.
>>139971693
Yep. What's more is that even though those download numbers on Nyaa is total bullshit, they still fall very short of what CR getting.
>>139970260
>Additionally, Crunchyroll will co-finance Kadokawa's future anime titles.
What does Crunchyroll even gain out of this? Advertising inside the anime? But thats pointless since obviously Crunchyroll will get exclusive stream rights.
>>139971783
If only. A shill would be someone paid for their posts.
>>139971659
I don't need funi to give me an on/off subtitle button. What i want is saturation or brightness option.
>/a/ will subscribe to Crunchyroll
What a time to be alive.
>>139971822
>What does Crunchyroll even gain out of this?
>Crunchyroll will get exclusive stream rights.
That
>>139970260
I'm still not paying for your shit.
>>139971842
>he actually thinks this will ever happen
The majority here won't even consider it, faggot. It doesn't matter how much better CR gets or how much they do, they are still a streaming service which is garbage quality and by default, is a waste of money.
>>139971842
Hardly, me and my "3rd world continent"Europeain't part of their target demographic and have shitty libraries so I never even considered it and never will.
>>139971593
Me here
>>139971755
If I like something I download the BD rips. I'm not stupid. Half the time I push play on a show and leave the room, I just want them to get my 'pennies'. I'll watch the show in high quality thanks.
>>139971877
Don't call me a faggot, buddy.
the people who think cr supports the industry are worse than the people who think jacob supports the industry
shills go away
>>139971789
Wait, but aren't those just free codes to watch shit that registered users can use? I don't think they open up new accounts.
Why is this Crunchyshit thread still up?
>>139971877
fansubs don't sub every show anymore you fucking bitch
if you're not watching horriblesubs or raws then what are you doing on /a/?
>>139971914
This.
>>139971922
Because it's big news like the Kadokawa Yen Press thread?
>>139970260
figures. just like japan to turn lazily to existing business models and partners out of shortsighted fear rather than pave their own way and securing themselves an actual profitable business model. Have they learned nothing from creation of Viz?
Who will stop this crunchy madness? Meh I still treat this just as a phase.
>2016
>even considering selling your soul to any big corporation for something you can't even keep
I pity those who fell for their ruse.
>>139971957
They tried
http://www.daisuki.net
It's like arguing with squirrels.
>>139971914
Nah people who think jacob supports the industry are still worse
I wonder if Netflix will strike up a similar deal with another publisher.
Though Netflix seem to prefer dealing with studios directly.
>>139971957
Doing the latter takes effort and long exposure to filthy gaijins, of course they would choose the former.
Don't be too happy on this.
Remember that the redhead SJWs and feminists are out to take over every single form of entertainment.
The moment they set their sights on anime, it's fucking over.
>>139971368
>Hardsubs are only shunned by subgroups that don't use their own scripts
So basically 95% of subbers now
>>139972056
About time.
>>139971914
Why am I expected to read let alone place trust in an unsourced wall of text?
>>139971914
Fascinating read, but I don't know what that has to do with anybody today. I'm supposed to be morally outraged over shit that happened years ago that had nothing to do with me?
Okay. Rage on.
>>139971919
Never used one, so I have no idea.
>>139971957
Sounds more like they're piggybacking on an already established and growing system rather than having to invest their own capital into building their own and trying to compete. Lazy it may be, but it is smart business. Make consistent money now, or possibly make bigger money later but only after taking bigger risks.
>>139972084
Don't you trust us, anon?
>>139972004
Stream quality aside Daisuki isn't bad though, it just need more advertising.
>>139972056
Anime has been 99% garbage for the past decade already, get over it
>>139971368
No. Hardsubs are like a fucking watermark, you braindead idiot. There's no reason to not provide the option to turn them off. Literally no reason. You're providing a lesser product to the consumer than what you could with the same amount of effort. Kill yourself.
>>139972022
Amazon already has noitaminA.
>>139972118
:^)
>>139972135
No one gives a flying fuck about noitaminA.
>>139972123
>Anime has been 99% garbage for the past decade already, get over it
Then why is it growing ever larger in official streaming sites outside Japan?
>>139971914
I find it really funny that people keep posting this image because ultimately it boils down to "waaah they removed fansub uploads" when the fact is that fansubbers really didn't give a fuck about CR to begin with, and their stream quality at the time was utter shit (like they actually halved the FPS of videos to save on bandwidth). If you watched fansubs back then CR's existence was basically completely worthless to you, and their transition to a legit company has been nothing but beneficial on the whole.
>>139972056
>>139972077
>>139972123
Japan doesn't give a shit about SJWs.
They even told the UN to fuck off.
>>139972123
>muh bebop
Oh, boy. Here we go again.
>>139972173
They should keep doing that.
>>139972056
Who said that we're happy?
>>139972168
>their transition to a legit company has been nothing but beneficial on the whole.
Except where it, like, you know, killed fansubbing
>>139972135
Amazon has what?
>>139972173
The progressive invasion of ethics, morals, and values into the anime and manga industry since the 1980s isn't a mirage. Japan DOESN'T care about foreign opinions, but when those opinions influence domestic PTA members and other concerned agenda groups, they care a lot more.
>>139972168
Do crunchyroll have you in their pockets as well, Daiz?
>>139972168
>when the fact is that fansubbers really didn't give a fuck about CR to begin with,
Except being butthurt about them.
>>139972165
Because the worse something gets the more popular it becomes.
>>139972173
Well, obviously we're talking about viewership outside Japan. They got Ghostbusters to be starred by a circus, and they probably have enough voice to shutdown streaming for a majority of shows that they think oppress them.
>>139972193
Bebop is 2 decades old, not 1 decade old
>>139972236
How is that a negative? Fansubbing existed in the first place because there were no official means of getting subbed content. If the official means are present there is no reason for fansubbing to exist. Fansubbing's purpose isn't for you to get shit for free because you're a worthless NEET.
The problem is that the official means have really fluctuating quality.
>>139972218
>>139972246
Keep up with the news. Japan always threatens to cut off funding to the UN whenever the UN says or does something Japan doesn't like and the UN easily caves in since Japan is one of the few countries that help maintain the UN's costly existence.
>>139972242
>noitaminA
>>139972236
Fansubbers died out and gave up for a variety of reasons. CR was only one of them, and not even the biggest one.
>>139972250
Which has spawned proxy butthurt faggots who don't even know why they're supposed to be butthurt, hence all the shitposting.
>>139972173
You don't think they will tone down their animu to appeal to western tastes?
Do you really think they'll let go of that delicious western money?
>>139972287
>Fansubbing's purpose isn't for you to get shit for free because you're a worthless NEET.
Yes it is.
>>139972246
PTA and agenda groups are useless in Japan.
They tried to take down To Love Ru but To Love Ru is even government approved.
>>139970981
>CR actually gets 22mil a year
A month?
>>139972312
Whatever helps you sleep at night or day or when you feel like it in mom's basement.
>>139972298
>CR was only one of them, and not even the biggest one.
Which was the biggest reason? I'm already laughing at you.
>>139972261
>Because the worse something gets the more popular it becomes
>being a literal hipster
Okay.
>>139972287
>Fansubbing existed in the first place because there were no official means of getting subbed content.
The irony that nobody here realizes that.
>>139972298
What are the other reasons, all knowing anon?
>>139972305
>delicious western money
Which is why they kept making anime shows aimed for Westerners after the success of the Marvel/DC anime shows they experimented on years ago.
Oh wait.
>>139972236
Fansubbers being lazy faggots killed fansubbing.
>>139972280
Yes, and?
>>139972248
Do you seriously have a such a black and white mentality that if I say just one positive thing about them then I'm instantly "in their pocket"? Like, I pretty much literally called them lazy fucks in this very same thread earlier.
>>139971755
Nice try, explain to me what are the benefits.
Frist you pay.
Second you get the same shit as everybody else that doesn't pay if not something worse if some group is doing the show or when the BDs are out.
Third if fore some reason you're a moralfaggot your money doesn't even go to the specific chink that drew your chinese cartoons.
The epitome of a cuck.
>>139972333
No, that is the inverse. A hipster would say the more popular something becomes the worse it gets.
>>139972289
You didn't read what I wrote. Japan can tell the UN to fuck off, but the citizens of Japan may listen, and Japan has a harder time tell its own people to fuck off. Like I said, pay attention to the progressive opinion changes regarding the anime industry and censorship over the decades. It has been growing steadily for a while now.
>>139972358
Shush, only memes now. Never logic.
>>139972354
Seems like they were much less lazy than official subbers until official subbers got 2fast
>>139972289
UN a joke. Japan is more docile compared to countries that actually have problems. It's just to keep the image UN does something.
>>139972346
Kadokawa just bought Crunchyroll and Yen Press. Try to keep denying it. They may have failed trying to produce western show for western audiences, but they will can make japanese shows toned down for western audiences.
>>139972335
No, most people here realize that. Stop listening to shitposting and taking banter seriously.
>>139972377
Japan seems to be getting even more into disturbing otaku fanservice shit than ever though
>>139971368
I for one sure love the shitty encode of an encode.
>>139972377
The citizens of Japan never listen to the world.
And the Japanese government has zero problems in telling its own people to fuck off.
Abe got his military upgrades and getting the JDSF the ability to fight back against enemies by telling anyone who resisted, to fuck off.
>>139972358
Why are you replying to shitposters? Also, if one day you get hired by CR, please don't fucking force DRM.And rev up those programming skills and crack Amazon's DRM.
>>139972358
But Fakku literally have you in the pocket, and you were caught doing marketing for them on /a/. Why are you so offended at the question?
>>139972377
>It has been growing steadily for a while now.
Any source? Any kind of evidence that those opinions are held by anything more than a fringe small group of people? Any kind of indication that the average citizen gives a fuck?
>>139972332
Because it is a lot of hard work for very little reward. Over the years fansub groups came and went by their own bits of arguing, drama, changing schedules, growing up, getting jobs, getting done with school, etc etc etc
Fansubbing was a hobby people did in order to help spread the love of anime around, and to have morons stroke their e-peens over how fast subs came out and with superior quality. And all of it got them fucking nothing but a lot of tired asses.
CR gave them an easy excuse to just quit, but the time, work, and money that went into it killed them faster.
Crunchyroll is literally the AnimeJunkies of 201X
>>139972397
Keep samefagging. You are obviously a deluded newfag who thinks Japan cares about America.
>>139972332
In the past there were two main reasons to fansub: To make stuff available, and to provide stuff in high quality.
Simulcasts basically killed the first reason to fansub, so all that was left was the second one (since that's where the simulcasts were lacking).
This naturally lead to the kind of people who were in fansubbing for the first reason to not really care anymore, but there were still plenty of groups and people who cared for the latter.
Any sort of decline in the second type of fansubbing then is pretty much just a result of majority of people not caring about quality, ie. all the people who always download HorribleSubs and never even consider the alternatives.
>>139972323
Let's see the math:
Google says it's worth 6.95/month.
6.95 x 750k = 5,212,500/month
5,212,500 x 12 = 62,550,000/year
Since their CEO once said that advertisement money equals their subscription earnings every year:
62,550,000 x 2 = 125,100,000/year
CR should be making 125 million dollars in revenue a year. Obviously, massive traffic means massive server costs and site maintenance costs.
>>139972248
Yes.Hotpockets.
>>139971551
>weebs
>wife
>family
>having kids
>boku no pico
>>139972377
>It has been growing steadily for a while now.
>there's been more and more fanservice-y shows being made
Huh?
>>139972439
>>139972456
So you admit that simulcasts or in other words CR killed fansubbing. What are the other reasons?
>hurr durr effort
Fansub groups always died and were replaced by other groups. It's a natural cycle, interrupted by simulcasts.
>>139972004
Daisuke has no marketing, and everyone pretty much knows CR.
Though anyone i know who uses CR does not use it on their computer, they watch on their console/android box/smart TV/etc.
Daisuke really needs an app on the xbone/PS4, and android/iOS/tvOS
>>139972456
>never even consider the alternatives.
Better watch HS than memesub like commie.
>>139972420
He thinks people will forget about it if he plays it "straight" for a while.Sadly, he might be right.
>>139972433
Governor Ishihara for one, and while I was one of the few people even here on /a/ trying to convince everybody that the Tokyo Youth Ordinance Amendment wasn't going to do shit, it still represents a significant and influential figure being pretty hard into censoring what he believed was inappropriate material. Granted, it isn't exactly what WE think of as SJW paranoia, but it was still a meaningful moment.
Leading up to that, there were numerous challenges brought about by parent activist groups versus the manga industry over this very topic.
>>139972397
Kadokawa did not buy CR. It bought Yen Press.
They are making shows that people who want Japanese shows watch.
If people wanted to watch Western shows, Netflix exists. Any fucktard CEO in Japan who thinks people who watch Crunchyroll wants "western" type shows is a fucktard CEO.
HEAR THAT JAPAN. ONLY A FUCKTARD CEO THINKS THAT AN AUDIENCE THAT WANTS JAPANESE SHIT WOULD LIKE THEIR SHIT WESTERNIZED AS FUCK!
>>139972193
Listen nigga, I've watched a fair amount of anime now and as much as well known to normalfags and casuals Cowboy Bebop might be it's still one of the best shows of all time so please stop with that retarded logic any time.
>>139972465
How much do servers cost?
>>139972534
>he thinks Japanese management culture isn't fucktarded
Look, the reason they evaded PTAs and the UN was money. Now money gives them a reason to tone it down. Do the basic math, retard.
>>139972456
I remember when one of the guys uploading high quality TV rips onto P2P got busted and that wrecked several fansub groups since their series effectively ended unless they went with much lower quality SD rips
>>139972236
Please, things were worse before CR. Remember, there was a time where having an episode out within a day was a considered a 'speedsub' whereas now, it's a norm. And now, CR etc means at least 80% of shows every season are guaranteed subs. Whereas back then, there's a bunch of shows that never get touched until much later.
>>139972498
I never said CR wasn't a reason, I said it wasn't the biggest one. Fansubbers could have kept up after CR and FUNimation started to dominate, they just chose not to. It gave them an out. A small number of them went to work for those companies.
>>139972534
I just want good shows.
>>139972567
>Please, things were worse before CR.
No.
>Remember, there was a time where having an episode out within a day was a considered a 'speedsub' whereas now, it's a norm.
Anon, I never watch things the day or even the week they release. I get to them years later. My backlog is too big.
>Whereas back then, there's a bunch of shows that never get touched until much later.
Was mostly garbage like Bonbobnobobobobo or magical girl anime.
>>139972420
I work for FAKKU, yes, and I do usually hop into the discussion if people are talking about it. Most of the time this is totally fine by the moderation (as evident by people complaining about getting warnings for reporting my posts), but occasionally I've gotten a short ban for it despite not really saying anything different than what I normally do, which is why I disagree with the bans in question - they're just not consistent. It would be nice if they could clear things up in that area, to be honest.
>>139972498
It did significantly reduce one type of fansubbing, sure, but it's not as big of a loss as you make it out to be. If you only cared about availability, then simulcasts only made things better. Anyone who still cared about quality did pretty much stick around, and simulcasts also helped the quality groups put good stuff out faster.
>>139972552
Except most fansub groups weren't affected at all because they rely on private transport stream providers and web sources anyway.
>>139972358
Come on, daiz. I can't believe you'd even need to ask that. I thought you'd been on /a/, no, the internet, long enough to know that people here has the tendency to deal with absolutes.
>>139972599
Whoa, hey. Don't talk shit about Bobobo.
>>139972498
Simulcasts - or in other words CR - killed fansubbing because their product of instantly available passable subs on passable video was enough to turn the vast majority of anime viewers away from a free alternative.
Considering the influence powerhouse of "free" on top of having better quality video, fansubbing being the less popular choice shows just how bad they fucked up speed and translations. And you know why fansubbers fuck up while CR succeeds? Because CR can commit to a schedule and deliver on time.
>>139972621
4chan, nay, the Internet itself, is the biggest training ground on Earth for the Sith. Soon all humans will be Sith Lords.
>>139972607
>but occasionally I've gotten a short ban
Thanks god.
>>139972645
go back to /r/anime
>>139972607
>I've gotten a short ban
There is still hope for 4chan's moderation team.
>>139972644
I'd rather have delays and HEART.
>>139972645
We're more likely to be Shit Lords than Sith Lords.
>>139972607
What's your honest opinion on herkz and Xythar, and their work?
>>139972671
>>139972674
i said, go back to /r/anime
>>139972567
Pic reminds me: It's somewhat funny that Pokemon, out of all anime, still has a dedicated subbing group who does things "the old way".
>>139972607
>I work for FAKKU
I hope all your loved ones die horrible deaths.
>>139972607
>but occasionally I've gotten a short ban for it despite not really saying anything different than what I normally do,
Good. Like usual, this means a real mod saw the post in the queue and gave you a ban because most of your posts about fakku sound like some giant fucking advertisement.
>>139972660
Pfftt, Daiz is like the least of the problems around here. Call me when the mods actually start to actively ban the faggots in the Madoka threads. Then I'll say there's hope.
>>139972644
One thing that CR does actually need is some QC staff.
I'm pretty sure the translator just hips upload when they are finished and nobody is around to give the episode a test screening to see if the subs are up to scratch.
Not every translator CR employs is bad, but the bad ones stand out.
>>139972666
Then start up your own fansubbing group and have fun.
>>139972692
Yu-gi-oh I believe still have a dedicated subbing group too.
>>139972692
Why not? Pokemon would be censored to hell if they tried to put eps of it out because the audience for Pokemon is kids. Meanwhile we have 30 year old neckbears like us who want to watch it uncensored
>>139972657
I went to /r/ and searched for anime as you said. Only 1 result.
>Does anyone have one of those videos of a guy fuckin an anime thing? It was like a toy. I'll start the thread with regular porn, as I don't have any of what I want.
I don't think that thread has anything to do with the topic at hand.
>>139970260
Now it's only a matter of time before Kadokawa owns CR. All hail the Kadokawa monopoly.
>>139972715
And it has been getting worse, or more frequent. As CR has expanded more titles released seasonally, the flaws have almost reached a "per episode" basis. Grammatical errors run amok, and occasionally some weird shit happens.
>>139972735
Would that mean CR would remove all non-Kadokawa shows and only sub KK?
