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Katia is the reason i wake up in the morning
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Do not give automatic gun to cute, confused girls
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>>139739355
< Most oversexed whore I ever see.
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>general
Really? At least wait a few days to start reposting shit.
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ayy lmao
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Mine here
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Who /NVA/ here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yff2xOFo4mg
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>>139739523
i'll fight you and kill you
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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xpp208_pink-floyd-the-final-cut-film-complete-1983_music

Official Schwarzesmarken soundtrack by Roger Waters of Pink Floyd is THE soundtrack, comrades.

Also, commissar Gretel is alive and rocking to the latest Puhdy`s album
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxITXgetyQw
and to some rock classics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt6ZtGpSH4g
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So what's the next muvluv piece to get a shit adaption that isn't part of the original trilogy?
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>>139739355
Best girl
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>>139741333
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>>139740931
probably eurofront or TDA
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>>139741333
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>>139741736
see you later
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>>139741791
In a distant world...
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I see we couldn't stay away!

That is wonderful.

>>139739541
Ah, got your package then?

I'm not sure I'm gonna not regret paying for mine, since the actual story of ML trilogy is...I know it's intense, but not sure I can handle all the little niggles and inconsistencies and YAMATO DAMASHIIIIIIIII

Also, self-inserting as this regular joe who becomes super badass even if he has to suffer to hell and back, still gets more and more awesome.

These are just doubts though. I should excise them.
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>>139741938
> who becomes super badass even if he has to suffer to hell and back, still gets more and more awesome
yeah right

too bad
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ssshhh
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>>139741902
why do instead of one leaving, why cant they go together and leave?
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>>139742712
Because politics
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>>139742478
die racoon
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>>139742712
They only had one boarding pass
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>>139739355
Mine here
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>>139742712
Only 100k spots faglord, the rest of us must fight to the bitter end.

Frankly, that's a lot. I remember an old survival/management RTS called Outpost 2, humanity literally only had a year to research, construct, test, and fly out only 200 people before the Earth was doomed.

It got me interested in the particulars of the spaceship from AltV. I suppose AltVI could be endlessly constructing a fleet of colony ships and fling them in every direction so that humanity is guaranteed survival. Abandon the Earth, the last human region being the deep South being the colonyship construction facilities, launch gantries at Cape Canaverl, defended by an army who volunteered themselves out of the running to be on a ship unless it was the last one out.

Oh and maybe throw in constructing an AI to take command and wage war.
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>>139742068
>His smile and optimism: Gone
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>>139743153
At least now he has his own takemikazuchi
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>>139743558
Couldn't they given him the non-shitty version?
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Best Girls!
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>>139743609
at least it's not a Gekishin
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>>139743630
Agreed! Well, one of them anyways.
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>>139743667
He could have gotten a Shiranui whenever he wanted, but they could have been at least nice enough to give a Red Take to him.
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>>139743630
Right here
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>>139741333
Beat me to it.
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>>139743630
>>139743879
They are not Meiya
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>>139742478
>18 years old Katia
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>>139743710
He's lucky he got inducted at all considering he was under suspicion of being a spy not too long ago.
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>>139739541

That SW patch is nice.
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>>139739355
Did early AK47s not have the recoil spike at the end of the barrel or is that artist fucking up?
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>>139744002
How did they not skip the fact that in that world he's dead?
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PACT PRIDE WORLDWIDE
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>>139743609
>Couldn't they given him the non-shitty version?
thats not fair for the BETAs
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So anyone else excited for the Extra/Unlimited release on steam? It should be released in early April, so any day now.
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>>139744051
because his a useful deadman walking

also political hostage against meiya
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>>139744273
i am cant wait
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>>139744273
>Extra/Unlimited
Is it using the old or new art?
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>>139743973
>> Bou will never draw eroge anymore

How many feels?
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>>139744318

What do you mean by that?
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>>139744436
Cancer Yuuko or normal Yuuko?
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>>139744318
They would have to re-make the game to use the new art
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>>139744273
Sorta. Will have to ready my YAMATO DAMASHIIIIIII pills tho.
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>>139744511
Have your triazolam ready too
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>>139744511
idk why but all YAMATO DAMASHIIIIIII is pretty funny to me
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>>139744682
It's not the outright things. The little things.

Knowing history, knowing politics, knowing military ways, they all start to add up. It's kind of like something always you can feel.
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>>139744682
>>139744511

Am I the only one who truely likes YAMATO DAMASHI in general?
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>>139741333
I politely disagree
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>>139745122
Yes
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>>139745223

Shit taste senpai.
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>>139745122
no
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>>139745122
She is the other half of two best luvs
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>>139745375

Is there a chance of a Total Eclipse release on steam or even a fan translation?
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>>139745464
someone of the alternative project was working on a fan translation
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>>139745122
i prefer the burning american spirit of freedom
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>>139745530
We all know what you prefer
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>>139745295
Now there is no need to respond like that
Meya is my fav girl of the originals, but all the YAMATO DAMASHIIII is absurd as fuck
my taste>you're taste
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>>139745514

That's good to hear.

>>139745530

KII SAMA
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If I were Theo, I'd constantly call her "Lise" just to see how she'd react
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>>139745774
and force her to wear the ribbons
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>>139745810
Also force her to pleasure Stasi goons because that's hot.
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>>139743630
why are they so best?
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>>139745864
1 billon Stasi dicks
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>>139745774
>>139745810
>>139745864
No.
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>>139745912
What are you going to do? piss yourself?
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>>139745912
Doesn't look mad, just pouting, or worried.
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I want Sylwia to kick my ass.
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>>139739355
Not an inmouto
>>139743879
Not inmouto

Wat the hell is wrong with you.
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>>139746049
>Sylwia will never dominate you

why
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>>139746090
Theo pls
Beside you have a new inmouto now
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>>139746090
>inmouto
What did he mean by this?
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>>139746345
He puts it in.
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>>139746387
I want to put something in Lise
and I mean candy in her mouth, because she's too cute
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>>139746490
Me too especially a knife in her gut and eviscerate her whole body.
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>>139746888
Suzy please
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>>139747529
That's a very cute boy!
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>>139746888
Is there a point to this cruelty?
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>>139740011
I will make a better version the moment Gaijin stops with Russian Bias.
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>>139741333
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I want to hide in the dark, imitate Jurgen's voice and tell Beatrix to do lewd things.
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>>139741333
why do best girls always get the suffering and loses?
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>>139747643
muh edge
>>139747879
check the sekirt dokuments
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>>139748662
Because autismal quantum computer
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>>139744273
I'm very certain that the final release isn't gonna release until June while the BETA keys would be given at the end of April.
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>>139748831
i hate it!
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>>139749191
Me too
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>>139741333
I cam here to this post. Well done.
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How old are everyone in the 666th?
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>>139749680
Theo/Lise=18
Sylwia=19
Walter=29
Iris=23
Pham=22
Gretel=20
Annette=18
Katia=15
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>>139749762
So, Katia is the only one who's not a granny?
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>>139749808
>29
>granny
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>reading chicken divers
>oh shit this is cool as fuck
>that orbital drop
>black screen
>oh btw they all died

come the fuck on man
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>>139749808
Yeah, she is underage.

How can they allow her to run Germany when she is not old enough to post on 4chan.
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>>139750029
I'm sure she's still better than Merkel.
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>>139750029
because muh saint ursula
If Gretel was present during the negotiations the DDR would have been in a better possition
I mean, on the side of the DDR we have a 15 years old, Heim (who is a total pushover) and Suzy and the rest of the moderate rebels
What could possibly go wrong
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>>139750227
She sold East Germany to the west so I don't think so
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>>139750335
better than giving all of Europa to the mudslimes
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Just woke up
Time to praise Katia all day again!
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I want to use Lise for boxing practice
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>>139750402
BETA=mudslimes
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>>139750410
You have to be 18 to post on 4chan Katia.
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Beware of this succubus
She's never not hungry
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>>139750629
But it's 2016
I'm sure Katia is old enough
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>>139750707
I'm sorry but my instincts tell me to feed a starving girl
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>>139750783
She is dead by 2016
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>you expect to satisfy me with that?
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>>139750811
It's no use sticking you head cannon in this
Her fate has not been chronicled anywhere yet, so she's as alive as Theo is
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>>139750918
Bitch, I wouldn't touch you with a stolen dick. Those lips look like lips of an experienced prostitute.
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>>139750783
48 years

She is also a 45 years old corpse if she died during the fall of europe.

Unless you go full Farka style, you wont be having anything.
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>>139750837
Witnessed
>>139750977
She is dead, why do you think that Theo became the Master
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How dangerous would Lise be if she came back from the dead as a demon powered by semen?
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>>139750435
Eat the infidel
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>>139751202
Well there aren't that many men left so she would probably starve.
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>>139751385
fuck off mohammed
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>>139750837
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Beatrix is good for nothing
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>tfw America comes to save the day again in Schwarzesmarken
Absolutely based.
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I want to suck Gretel's dick
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>>139751173
Theo could think she is dead much like Yui faked her death as well.

Or maybe Theo found it mandatory to turn into what he is today in order to keep his promise to protect Katia.

Or maybe Katia died as everyone seems to think it's the ONLY way.

Either way, the events are not set in stone and Katia dying is not confirmed.
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>>139751590
>america saves the day
>HATO loses western europe in 2 years

[raughs]
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>>139742478
>put on the fucking ribbons Katia
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Alternative Projects is based. TDA 02 fucking when? I need more badass Hibiki.
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>>139751698

>Yui faked her death

Please explain
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>>139752167
never

either it will get steamified or until the alternative projects is done with the help etc
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>>139752274
Yuifag delusions
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>>139747529
Literal perfection, can't believe the anime ruined her in the last five minutes though.
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>>139752559
>confiming her survival
>ruined

The short hair is a temporary setback brother
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>>139752761
Well she's still probably going to die anyway once the line breaks, can't be too hopeful now.
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>>139752851
>not wanting to be with Gretel during the fall of Berlin
Where is your faith You cannot kill the commisar
THIS IS YOUR LAST STAND, NO DOUBT, NO FEAR
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>>139752996
>implying I wouldn't go on a suicide mission with the commissar

I just know there's barely any chance of survival
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Why is Schwarzesmarken still not greenlit on steam?

I am disappointed /a/
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>>139753221
Now that's the spirit

We'll teach those NATO dogs how to fight! Today, we'll show them that the Nationale Volksarmee bows to no-one! Today, we'll show them the might of the German Democratic Republic
Get to your vehicles, we go to war!
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>>139753528
Well it's not like it's not going to get approved
https://twitter.com/muvluvseries/status/717563018981158913
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>>139752325
>>139752274
http://pastebin.com/hNCBauyw
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>>139750629
>>139750707
>>139750783
>>139750803
She, Beatrix and Iris were the only reasons to watch this show.
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>>139753704
HATO, comrade.
Also fuck them.
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>>139753528
>guy on the Greenlight forums asking what kind of game it's going to be
>First reply is online FPS

Man fuck that guy for reminding me that the TSF game is never coming out.
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>>139753819
But she was such a shit in the anime.
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>>139753843
You got the message

More of Gretel inspiring the troops latter
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>>139754132
I want Gretel to inspire my little soldier.
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>>139754181
I want Gretel to politically indoctrinate me
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>>139753957
why was the tsf front cancelled}

fuck they could have at least released the current build they have
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>>139753704
>commissars
>not fucking shit up with their "muh party"
Even if my commissar was Gretel, I think I would shoot her somewhere in the dark place.
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>>139754369
You'd cum in her ass?
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>>139754369
I would shoot her full of cum and then marry her.
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>>139754369
>shooting the commmissar
Into the gulag you go
>>139754453
How is that even a question
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>>139754509
hello there Martin
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>>139753737
Beautiful
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>>139753737
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>>139754453
Sure after
>>139754537
>another soldier deserted
No one will give a fuck
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>>139754847
Yeah you are right, it's better to get rid of cowards for the final battle
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>>139754847
>deserted

More like executed for attempted murder of a state official.
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>>139755005
We have to save ammunition
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>>139755037
Gretel WILL execute you if she has to.
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>>139739541
I'm jelly. I would like to buy the Schwarzesmarken patch, but Japan is selling it for almost 2000 JPY.
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>>139755005
You seem to misunderstood
>kill Gretel
>pretend she deserted
>her image is ruined
>in death she claimed traitor
shit,I went full Stasi here
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Are these BDrips any good?
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=800719&showfiles=1
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>>139755279
Fuck off Heinz Ketchupman
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How come Theo became a villain post-SM if he had Katia by his side?
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>>139755531
Because he probably couldn't Mamoru Katia well enough and she died.
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>>139755300
>HEVC

I wouldn`t. Only when Holy Daiz says it`s time.
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>>139755378
I want to chain Axmann and rape his fuckboi in front of him.
Then again, he'd probably won't care.
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>>139755602
But all three of the girls he loved wouldn't want him to turn evil?
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>>139755531
No one knows
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>>139755802
I think you will become evil if 3 girls you loved would be killed
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>>139755802
He probably justifies it through being a "necessary evil". Or maybe he just goes crazy because everyone he loves dies.
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>>139755670
Isn't Daiz dead?
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>>139739355
>this is the last thread they said
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>tfw no pet Katia
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>>139756204
>They said the same thing last week.
>Every
>Single
>Day
When will the threads really end? Next month?
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>>139756204
At least people are actually having discussions and it isn't entirely waifushit.
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>>139756204
Muvluv is eternal - The threads will never end.
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>>139756159
>>139755802
>>139755531

It's the Bernhard Curse at work. It destroyed Beatrix, and now it will destroy Theodor.
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>>139756353
>it isn't entirely waifushit.
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>>139756393
>Bernhard indirectly killed Pham, Lise, Sylwia, Walther, his sister, and his girlfriend

What an asshole.
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>>139756506
>dating sim
>no waifushit
Either this,or pactposting
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>>139755680
You are gay anon
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>>139756639
What is there to talk about? How the BMP would totally kill everything?

Muh BTR can kill grapplers since "lol ZSU-23-4" can do it?
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>>139756639
>Muv-Luv
>A dating sim
I only recall one date in the whole series
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>>139756506
>>139756639

>dating sim

Sure.
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>>139756765
With enough concentrated firepower, anything can kill the BETA, even small arms fire.
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>>139756912
I dont like how necrophilia is so stronk in Schwarzesmarken.
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>>139756765
I guess HEAT might be effective against Grappler-kun
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>>139756623
His only ideal was that people should put aside their differences and work together for the betterment of mankind. Such a shame that his waifus did not think the same.

Beatrix is probably closer to that ideal than Iris. Iris was nationalistic, and disagreed and had a deep distrust of supernational organizations such as the European Union, the Warsaw Pact, and the United Nations whereas Beatrix was sucking UN/Western dick throughout the LN. That's right, Theo was basically pursuing the nationalist route in Muv-Luv (though Katia set him straight).

Katia would probably be the closest though, if only she was more pragmatic.
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>>139757100
Iris is /pol/. That's absolutely phenomenal.

Why would anyone waifu her?
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>>139757273
I want to talk about niggers with Iris.
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>>139756960
>even small arms fire.
Only Warrior, Soldier (only in the 90s), tiny-laser and Tank-class.

ZSU-23-4 is used against Tank-class and Grappler

The 23-mm guns can penetrate at 90 degrees:
24.1mm at 500 meters
19.3mm at 1000 meters

The BTR series use a 14.5mm gun and it can penetrate:
30mm at 500 meters
20mm at 1000 meters

Your 12.7mm gun does:
20mm at 500 meters
13.2mm at 1000 meters

The AK does 8mm at 500 meters

The BMP-2 with its 30mm automatic gun does:
55mm at 500 meters
50mm at 1000 meters

Using those facts and considering that the AK was effective only at close quarters (less then 100 meters)

The Tank-class gets killed by pretty much anything above 7.62 at 1000 meters

Your Grappler is fucked at 1000 meters by everything the Motorised rifle platoon has to offer.

Your Grappler is fucked the moment it get close to 4000 meters against a Tank.

Everything (not destroyer-kun) is fucked when it meets a HEAT round regardless of the range from the front.

God damn I want to see F-14 TSF with a AGM-65 mavericks fucking everything up.
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>>139756994
Dead/dying girls are moe.
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>>139751001
And she looks the same as she did in 1983.
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>>139757273
Pretty much.
>blonde haired
>blue eyed
>only guns for Aryans like her brother and Theo
>protestant
>nationalist
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>>139757952
If we can preserve comrade Lenin.

Then we can preserve all of Farka for eternal service for the DDR.
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>>139750837
Ahh, mediocre
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>>139758089
>Theo
>an aryan
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>>139750837
>>139758234
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX-FMvt83fA&nohtml5=False
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>>139758267
Yes? He's got red hair and greenish eyes. That's plenty Aryan.
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>>139750837
Witnessed!
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Yui, Cryska and Inia are my waifus.
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>>139758372
>waifus
>plural

Faggot.
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>that scene where Lise announces she had sex with Theo in front of everyone and Katia goes to silently hug Pham
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>>139758507
>silently
I think she was crying in her bosom
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>>139758507
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>>139758507
Katia had a hard life.
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>>139758507
It only get worse from now.
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>>139757002
Pointing and laughing is effective against grappler-kun.
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It's been a few weeks now since she suddenly appeared in your home, and Lise seems to be settling in nicely. Her daily routine involves waking up early and going for a run, tidying up for maybe an hour each day, and spending the rest of her time staring at the tiny screen of the ancient netbook you let her use. One day, as you're getting ready to leave, you feel a tug on your sleeve. You turn, and Lise is standing there.

"I want to see it."

Hm? You tilt your head slightly.

"I want to see that show."

She is of course referring to the Schwarsesmarken anime. Since she arrived, she spent most of her time reading online posts about the world she originally came from, but she had never actually sat down to watch the series.

"Can you watch it alone, or do you want me to be there too?"

"I'll be fine alone, I think. I know more or less what to expect."

You head back to your room, put the show on a thumb drive, and plug it into the netbook. Then, you leave for the day.

When you return, she's sitting on the couch leafing through a dog-eared copy of F.A. Hayek's "The Road To Serfdom" which she picked up at a charity shop for 25 cents. Since she arrived in the modern era, she's been surprisingly eager to learn about other economic models and critiques of socialism. It's maybe not exactly what you expected when she first appeared in your bed. She looks up and greets you, but her smile seems fake, and the sing-song cadence of her voice somehow rings hollow.

"It was bad, wasn't it?"

"Yeah..." The fake smile drops off her face. "It was pretty bad."

You suspected this might be the case, so you reveal the pint of strawberry ice cream you had hidden behind your back. He face brightens a little, and unlike the smiles you saw earlier, this one seems genuine.
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>>139758670
>Grappler was the one that killed Inghild
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>>139758507
Do Katiafags actually think this scene is anything comparable to what Lise, Beatrix, and Iris went through?
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>>139758507
Does the LN/VN go into detail or does it just say "then we fucked like 30 times"
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>>139758746
They don't fuck. The was thinking about Irisdina the whole time.
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>>139758662
Poor Katia.
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>>139758746
The VN hasn't reached that part
They didn't fuck in the LN
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>>139758789
>>139758801
I'm slightly disappointed but figured that was the case.
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>>139758923
Well the VN will probably give you a choice
Who knows how they'll describe it if they're going to make it all ages
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>>139759123
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>>139758686
Cute
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>>139759123
I want be getting any Pham and I'll probably have to kill Beato so I don't really care too much.
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>>139759123
>story involves all kinds of war crimes, torture, rape, prostitution, execution, and child murder.
>make the actual content all ages
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>>139759332
Almost all the uber dark shit is in Requiem, which the anime and VN will probably ignore.
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>>139755300
There is the OST Vol.01 with some tracks not included in the previous rar posted on /a/.
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>>139759372
It feels disingenuous though like if Prince Charming from Cinderella later attains the throne by murdering his father and raping his mother, but thats the part of the story we're never shown. To know what we know about the bigger picture can paint a twisted light on the presented part of the story making it especially uncomfortable if they go out of there way to censor and make it kid friendly.
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>>139758686
What would Lise's critique of Schwarzesmarken be like?
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>>139759123
Which begs the question, how are they going to censor CHOMP in the Vita version, or will they censor it at all?
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>>139759696
The same way they censored it for the console releases in Japan
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>>139759624

She probably feels pretty low, so she's not going to get mad if they make her look worse than she is. She'd be upset about how the other Werewolves, especially Beatrix, are portrayed though. Seeing Ketchup might literally trigger her, too.

Finally, she'd be all "What the fuck is this bullshit? Why aren't they giving Iris medical attention? This is fucking ridiculous!" Because regardless of how she feels about Iris as a person, that whole part is just silly.
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>>139759624
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm28354340
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>>139755300
First episode has audio commentary with Iris and Katia's va (spending their time laughing and having fun), unlike reinforce raws.
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>>139758686
Does she know her brother went full nuts some 17 years later?
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>>139759610
Some people seem to think that requiem are these side stories that few people have read.
But they came out while the main story was being published as well.
They took the place of a major numbered release through that time as well.
If anyone was following SM they would've bought SM:requiem as well.

Requiem 1(07/12) came out between Vol 3(03/12) & 4(10/12)
Requiem 2(07/13) came out between Vol 5(03/13) & 6(12/13)

Not to mention that some most of the stories in both Requiems were published before in TSF Cross Operations & TSFIA
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>>139759301
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>>139760617
I hate how obvious they've made it so far confirming it. I doubt she'd be surprised though and it would probably make her more convinced that if he had gone with her instead she could have prevented it.

>>139760867
I didn't mean that those parts of the story were like some kind of lost tome, but that when the tone of the work clashes with the content things feel a bit weird.
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>>139760617
>Mou, Onii-chan is so fucking useless without me
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>>139760617

In that storyline? Yeah.

It's in "Lise in the real world" which is probably the longest thing I've written here.


https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-uMN28GtT68ZPP2gS2Tq5Ipm4yw_odDBLpS3qM_camg/edit?usp=docslist_api

I figured that once Lise realized it was possible to do, she would obsessively research everything she could regarding the world she came from. Finding out about Theo would be the first thing she does, because she loves him.
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>>139741333
good taste
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>>139739355
Saddam leading his final charge against BETAs when?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VhQxqH8KuI&nohtml5=False
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So you know that rumor the Chinkfag threw out about Jurgen's ace color being red, turns out it's true:

Mig-27を使ったのも隻影を読んだ後だとユルゲンのMig-21Pのカラーを模す事でユルゲンに
対する喪の表れと不滅の愛情を表現したかったのかと思えるから、例えマスターになっても

[I realized] after reading Shadow [of Bernhard that] the color of [Bea's] MiG-27 is the exact same as [Jurgen's] MiG-21P.
It's a manifestation of her undying love and mourning for Jurgen and is comparable to the Master [for Iris].

So Jurgen really is the CHAR of Schwarzesmarken, and Beatrix made such a huge deal about her 27 being red to the Soviets in her TSFiA sidestory because it was Jurgen's colors.
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>>139761326
Thanks for the link.
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>>139761390
Love is a hell of drug.
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>>139761363
I wonder what the songs is about.
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>>139761390

Besides Red being 3 times faster, it's the coolest color.
Everyone loves red.
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>>139761390
If Jurgen really is the CHAR of Schwarzesmarken, then that means he's still alive and Theo's nemesis in SM2.
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>>139761533

It would be too sad for Jurgen to come back only after his lover and sister are dead. Then again "too sad" is the muv-luv way, so I half expect it.
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>>139758507
did this really happen?
was waiting for the VN but...
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>>139761390
He probably painted his 21P red because of Beatrix too. Jurgen associates red with her in some of the translated passages of BiS.

That's really, really sad in a way.
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