>>139552880
>I hope we get a second season.
It's confirmed

http://yaraon-blog.com/archives/82088

>>139552880
If you couldn't tell that this would be a downer anime from the first episode, then there's something wrong with you.

How popular is Rakugo in real Japan? Do they televise it there? Are there celebrities based on their Rakugo? I never heard of it before this show, the show did give it the feeling that it was an art that was gonna be washed out by the other forms of entertainment.

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>>139552983
Thank god

>>139552997
I got it from the second episode on, but I still wasn't ready for it to end on such a sour note. Perhaps Season 2 will have a bittersweet ending at the very least.

>>139553117
Also wondering this.

/a/ doesn't give a shit about this show, unfortunately. Real shame, it's real good.

>>139552880
>Everyone is still miserable
Yotaro will never be miserable.

>>139553256
>I got it from the second episode on
There's something wrong with you. What part of
>man just released from prison
>wanting to pursue an obscure dream via a decrepit old man
doesn't trigger "depressing story" to you?

>>139552880
Let's cut out the bullshit
>This show was so fucking depressing.
>I hope we get a second season.

Yes OP, this show was AOTS and it'll be AOTS again when the second season hits.

>>139553380
That sounds like an hopeful story to me. It only got depressing with the implications of real life Rakugo popularity plus the woman talking about how he killed the other famous dude. That's when stuff started being depressing.

>>139553471
There's nothing hopeful about it. When you go to prison, your life is destroyed. Anyone coming out of prison is depressed by default. The job prospects for people coming out of prison are extremely bleak. Many ex-cons commit suicide. As for this guy's dreams hinging on a decrepit old men, old people are known for one thing: dying. They can also be senile and notoriously moody. Add together someone being an ex-con with very few options in life, and link his destiny to someone who is moody and possibly close to dying, and you have a recipe for a very sad story. There's something wrong with you if you can't see this. Are you autistic?

>>139553117
Yotaro, Konatsu and Sukeroku's VAs have done rakugo. Sukeroku's VA was a member of the rakugo club in college.

The mangaka and the anime have been collaborating in events with rakugo performers.

Yeah I didn't expect the last episode to be that down.
Bon looks depressed as fuck because he is old and lonely.
It started to make me scared to grow old.

The whole rakugo thing dying out is also incredibly depressing. God damn.

>>139553702
Picturing Kobayashi doing rakugo both scares and excites me.

>>139553668
I mean, I knew there was room for misery, but at the same time it started as a show about a man coming out of prison to try to become a master of Rakugo (bear in mind this still back when Rakugo was more popular in the 70s) by becoming an apprentice to an old master that had never taken an apprentice before.

The end of the first episode even has the old man going "Let's rejuvenate Rakugo together, promise me that".

I'm not attacking the show, so I don't see why you're being so defensive.

>>139553735
The theme of passing on to the new generation is there throughout the show.
Even if Rakugo gets less popular there's still hope.

I knew it would be dark but that closing scene on the flashback really got me.

>>139553702
That's some pretty cool facts I didn't know. Do you know if Rakugo is still fairly popular in Japan? Or is it more of an old art that is mostly ignored? Do shows sell out? I tried googling but haven't found any success looking for the answers. Perhaps if I knew moonrune...

>>139553874
You are lacking some serious life experience and wisdom if you think that means that it was ever going to be a story of hope.

>>139553668
Anon, I'm getting depressed reading what you're writing to that other anon. Please no bullying.

I've tried looking for subtitled videos of rakugo performances, and mostly I just turn up people doing rakugo in English, which really isn't what I'm looking for. This is the only one I've managed to find.
https://dotsub.com/view/1f837443-69df-45d8-a786-d78bf7397951

Does anyone know where I can find more subtitled performances?

>>139553380
You know, I was confused about this from the outset. Why would one of the most famed rakugo performers of the era be putting on shows in a prison?

>>139553938
Me too. ALMOST as chilling as his Shinigami, but let's be real there's no topping that.

>>139553117
It ranks pretty high among the numerous classical arts of Japan. Its golden age is over so it's not as popular as it once was, but it's definitely still not close to being forgotten or washed up. Specials are televised here and there, there are still theaters dedicated to hosting rakugo performances every day, and DVDs and CDs of performances are still produced. With that said, it's true that people have long preferred other forms of entertainment, especially TV shows and movies.

Regarding celebrities, aside from the really famous ones, most rakugo performers can probably walk on the streets without being recognized by common folk. Much like VAs, I guess.

>>139554080
It's fiction, you bully.

>>139553961
Not very popular compared to manzai and other forms of entertainment but it manages to survive. There was a boom years ago when the dorama Tiger and Dragon aired. The MC of that show was a yakuza too.
BDs have Kobayashi going to a yose/rakugo theater https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHdhe_QfHK0

>>139553755
>>139553702
Man I'm hoping we get to see Konatsu do a performance at some point but it feels like they're setting up for her son to be the next generation instead. In reality the first woman shinuchi promotion apparently happened in 1987 so I guess the timeline would kinda match but it seems unlikely.

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>>139554666
>check nyaa for bd rips
>zero bd rips

What a cruel life.

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>>139554840
In the manga Konatsu does rakugo in front of her son's class. Yotaro pushed her to do it.

>>139555070
Cool, I hope they animate that in S2.

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>>139555176
This season covered until half of volume 5. The manga is going to end with volume 10, they will adapt the whole thing.

>>139554595
That's cool. Thanks for the info.

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>>139555070
I can't handle Mom-Konatsu.
That look suits her so much.

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>And in the end, they commited Showa Genroku Rakugo Shinju
Seriously?

>>139555287
>you really are a yotaro
BRAVO

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Where are the 2deep4u fags now?

>>139555245
So, who's the father? The Yakuza boss? No one here seems to have confirmed this, so far.

>>139555287
When was that? I didn't notice that in the episode.

>>139555070
>>139555245
>>139555266
So beautiful with that short hair.

>>139555266
She is still cute even after having a kid.

Stopped watching it after 2nd episode out of laziness. Should I continue?

>>139555438
I was so blown out by this. I really didn't expect that to happen.

>>139555560
I don't know anon, should you?

>>139555560
If you liked the first and second episodes. It's the most consistent show I've seen in a very long time.

And also consistently excellent in all aspects of its execution, but I guess if the first episode's hooks didn't tickle your fancy then there's not much point.

>>139555438
There's literally nothing wrong with generosity and care.

>>139555683
>generosity and care

That what they call it now?

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>>139555513

>>139555560
Did you like the first two episodes? In my opinion it only gets better. I think the climax of 9 and 10 had its best moments.

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>>139555506
You know, this thing that Kiku claimed happened.

>>139555483
Yup, I'm curious, as well. Despite some anons dumping that image showing panels of that Yakuza boss, it hasn't been TL-ed, yet.

>>139555674
>>139555743

I think it's better than most shows last season. Thanks guys.

>>139555704
Nice. Any more official images of them?

>>139555560
Episode 4 in particular is great, it feels like you've just lived an entire different life in Shouwa Japan in just one episode

>>139555856
Was that the one where they leave for war and Kiku dates a couple girls? One of my favourites.

>>139555954
I loved the constant, ominous rumbling during the wartime period.

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Mother of the year.

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>>139555560
No. All these anons who say they like the show are just saying it to ruse you into watching what I think is one of the most horrible shows I have ever had the misfortune of watching. I mean, look, it's so horrible that anons make threads about it to deceive people into checking it out, in hopes that more anons will get to know the pain they had to endure.

You didn't even have to ask. Don't watch it.

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>>139555831

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>character development
Fucking dropped.

>>139556077
Has the manga revealed the biological father, yet?

>>139556129
JUST

>>139556070
So is this also a lie fed by Kiku, that Konatsu is Sukeroku's child, when in fact she's Kiku's?

>>139556129
What do you call this kind of haircut in Japanese?

>>139555070
This part was the cutest.

>>139556198
I doubt anyone that could confirm that is alive now. They've probably all passed on from old age.

>>139556077
I'd love it if you could post romantic moments between Yotaro & Konatsu (- the kid).

>>139556070
Shitiest mother I've seen.

>>139556198
wat
Where did you get that? All that line was saying was that the bitch couldn't even bring herself to love her own kid because the dad who fathered Konatsu was Sukeroku and not the guy she wanted, Kiku.

>>139555683
This is why they call cuckolding the thinking man's fetish. Because of the brain gymnastics you need to justify it.

>>139556334
>what are dna tests
Maybe Bon will tell her the truth on his deathbed, like his master did to him.

If I get the director's cut right, the "shinjuu" is Kiku dying along with Sukeroku's rakugo that he kept alive inside himself all these years. That's what he said after doing Suke-style rakugo for Konatsu. Also, when he talked about their promise at the very end, he says that if Yotaro fails to fulfill the promise, it'd be "shinjuu". Am I right?
I tought that the double suicide thing would be related to Miyokichi at first but after rewatching, I've changed my mind.

>>139556561
Yes, but the story and how its events played out is told by Kiku. Later on in the manga, it turns out he deliberately lied about the events surrounding their death. So it's a possibility this is also a lie, and that his indifference towards Konatsu is in fact varying levels of guilt, shame, and sorrow surrounding the circumstances, rather than him simply not caring about her in his perpetual withdrawal.
I haven't actually read the mange.

So what is this "lie" everyone has been talking about? I guess i have not been paying attention enough.

>>139556665
I need to rewatch the first episode, I feel like there's so much more I'd get out of it now. Hoping the director's cut gets subbed soon.

>>139556255
JUSUTO~!

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>>139557125
I wish someone based enought to sub it exists.

>>139557096
Instead of falling from a balcony like Kiku's lie, Miyo verbally abused Sukeroku for doing rakugo, then stabbed him in the gut. He didn't defend himself like the useless drunk he is, and died. Kiku is heartbroken at the scene of the crime, and, just as he's about to be gutted voilently by a wide-eyed, foaming-at-the-month Miyokichi (who blames Kiku for her whorish behaviour and poor life choices), Konatso comes and stabs Miyo in the back. Miyo collapses onto Kiku, clutching his manhood in desperation, dying grasping the only source of livelihood and comfort she has ever known in her entire miserable existence.

>>139557088
>So it's a possibility this is also a lie
Oh, right. I highly doubt it though. It's been emphasized in the show how Kiku thinks that Sukeroku resembles Konatsu, both inside and out.

>his indifference towards Konatsu is in fact varying levels of guilt, shame, and sorrow surrounding the circumstances
It really is that. He's that way towards Konatsu because of the guilt, shame, and sorrow he feels about ruining the lives of everyone around him, even the poor kid who became collateral damage.
He does care about her but I think he holds himself back from connecting with her to keep pain away. Maybe he believes deep down that anyone he gets close to is taken away from him, and so he treats Konatsu antagonistically on purpose so she stays away. Maybe it just hurts for him to look at Konatsu and be reminded of Sukeroku and Miyokichi. Either way, I don't think it's a plot twist and that he's actually the real father.

>>139558150
>clutching his manhood in desperation
Why does this sound hilarious? Any manga panel to back this up?

>>139554991
>checking /a/ for blogs. Found one.

>>139558639
Found one too.

>>139558150
> Konatso comes and stabs Miyo in the back
Doesn't she blame Kiku for the death of her dad though?
If she is the one who kills Miyo then she should have known all along none of it was Kiku's fault.

Hidden gem of last season, Glad a shitpost made me wach it out of curiosity

>>139559204
She doesn't remember anything. In the first episode, she even asks Miyo's friend to reveal to her exactly what happened on the day of the "accident".

>>139559287
It's criminal that this is considered hidden. I remember looking over what would air in the season and by far Rakugo had the most going for it. I dunno what made people glance over it a first, it had been in production forever and the director has already established himself as great.

>>139560604
Such its life for anons looking for good shows, You have to look harder to find amazing shows like this one.

>>139560604
Same. Just a first look at the synopsis and the staff and cast and this was already at the top of my to watch list for winter. I think most anons just dismissed it because
>DEEN
>three male main characters which means "hurr fujoshit"
>the unfamiliarity of rakugo probably made them think that you had to be Japanese or a weeaboo to understand and enjoy the show

>>139560604
I think it's been very visible in AOTS threads, there's always a lot of people mentioning it. But I think there are lots of people who will just refuse to watch it out of principle (because it's apparently 'fujoshit).

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>(Previously Sukeroku)
So he abandons the idea to be Sukeroku later on?

>>139558150
>Miyo collapses onto Kiku, clutching his manhood in desperation
W-what?

>>139562335
He'll probably inherit Yakumo after Bon dies, thus becoming the first Sukeroku that manages to inherit the name.

>>139564323
It says Yotaro, not Yakumo though. So he is going back to Yotaro first.

>>139564323
The headline says "Yotaro, previously Sukeroku" though, they'd call him Yakumo if he was Yakumo wouldn't they? Not sure how these titles work.

Kiku versus Sukeroku

Whose rakugo game was stronger?

Subs for the complete episode 1 when? We even have BD raws
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=789123

>>139564633
Kiku's Shinigami > Sukeroku > the rest

>>139555070
Who's the dad?

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>>139556077
I know it's supposed to be a happy family but I kind of want him to have his own kid with Konatsu.

>>139553317
I care about this show

>>139555704

>raising another man's child.

Looks like the Yotaro name is cursed.

>>139555704
>>139556077
>My wife's son

Fucking really Japan, EVERY FUCKING TIME. I ain't even mad anymore

>>139564653
Well herkz said the show was shit, so no group is going to pick it up from there. Doki is claiming to still continue, but they're on episode 1 only and not sure if they're even willing to translate.

>>139565166
>Well herkz said the show was shit
This shouldn't upset me but it does.

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>>139565166
>Well herkz said the show was shit

>>139565166
>Well herkz said the show was shit
Well herkz is a faggot. What else is new?

>>139565166
>Well herkz said the show was shit
Fuck that faggot. God damn.

>>139565166
stop twisting their words and spraying misinformation.
https://twitter.com/herkzzz/status/716771774222831616

>>139566525
*spreading

>>139566525
I feel like all the talk of the subs being bad must have been some kind of reaction to the untranslatable chants and slang suddenly appearing, because no-one said anything of the sort after episode 1.

>>139562845
Someone please respond. What the hell did it mean by "clutching his manhood"

>>139566951
She probably grabbed his crotch in her dying moments.

>>139564633
They're both best at their own styles, which was the whole point I guess, but I prefer Kiku because he makes it sexy

>>139558150
She never grabbed his crotch. She stabbed Sukeroku and flipped out and when Konatsu came in with Matsuda, tried to trick her into thinking Kiku did it, and then Konatsu pushed her away, throwing her off the balcony. No crotch grabbing was done.

Is there ntr in this? I can take anything but that thank you very much freindos.

>>139570114
No.

>>139570257
Cheers. Should I read the manga or does the anime do enough justice to the story? Sorry for being a fag.

>>139570321
> Should I read the manga
If you know japanese. There's no scanlation for this. Not even one chapter.
Just watch the anime

>>139570114
Not really, though it may seem like it if you don't pay attention

>>139570114
Sort of, there's a love triangle but it's not intended to make you feel like shit about the female involved. The relationship you're supposed to be most invested in is friendship between men, so you just hate the woman for ruining that.

>>139570321
The anime is a very well directed adaptation.

>>139569770
I thought it was that Konatsu assumed Kiku did it at first, but when Miyokichi told her that she was the one who stabbed Sukeroku, Konatsu was devastated and then pushed her mother off the balcony.

Hence why Kiku can't bring himself to tell Konatsu the truth of that night.

>>139570384
>>139570363
Bless up fellas. If you guys like it i'll look forward to this 3/10 edgy psudeo intellectual drama for the sake of it bull shit. Jk <3<3.

>>139570522
>edgy psudeo intellectual drama
That's not the kind of series this is though

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>>139570515
That could be it, but Konatsu definitely says to Kiku that he killed him. It's one of the first things she says after entering the room in the scene in the manga. I'm not sure what Miyokichi says but she's definitely angry about Kiku killing her dad whether he did it or not.

>>139552880
me too

>>139558301
>ruining the lives of everyone around him
Kiku didn't nothing wrong, especially not something to that degree. I don't know what show you watched to extrapolate such nonsense from.

>>139573315
>Kiku did nothing wrong.

Are you saying he's 100% innocent? He's my favorite character in this show but even I have the sense to know he's not a fucking saint. Miyokichi is the worst but she is definitely not the only one at fault.

>>139564463
>>139564499
True, that being said, I wonder why the translation uses former.
In Japanese the headline says: 落語家与太郎(助六)元ヤクザだった！！, which literally says: The Rakugoka Yotarou (Sukeroku) was a former Yakuza!!

>>139554080
Holy shit dude calm your tits.

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>>139552880
show was top shelf shit, enjoyed the lot and looking forward to drama in 2nd season

>>139560941
>>139560604
Or you could just listen to what $camp says, he's always right except when he's not.

>>139574101
The worst he did was not flat out reject Miyokichi and crush her feelings to the point she couldn't delude herself. But that's not a fair expectation, he was clear enough and it's not his responsibility to consider the possibility of her being a total psycho.

>>139577251
this.

>>139577251
>>139577388
Yeah you'd expect a woman treated the way Kiku treated her to just say 'fuck this guy' and move on.

>>139573315
I probably didn't make that clear, but what I meant was that he felt guilty because *he thought* he ruined the lives of everyone around him. I personally think he is partly at fault (along with Sukeroku and Miyokichi, and the Master maybe) for all of this but he definitely shouldn't blame all of what happened on himself.

>>139554470
ever heard of johnny cash?
sure, not the same thing but...

>>139553668
I might be wrong, but I think it wasn't that much of a deal being a ex-con in those days.

also: there is plenty of stories along the lines of "bad guy finds a mentor, becomes good guy everyone lives happily forever"

someone not knowing the original plot and watching first episode, might think this was one of those

>>139553735
I didn't find it that depressing actually.
most sad stuff happened in the previous episodes.

things are diffcult and all forthe characters , but they're pretty stable.

>>139552880
I loved every episode until the last one. Holy fuck that was a terrible ending

>>139579520
You mean the bit in the middle of the story?

Is it me or Matsuda-san (who was already old) didn't age that much, while Kiku (who was't that old) aged a lot

>>139579882
Matsuda is old so he went bald, Kiku had a stressful life so his hair lost colour.

>>139572884
That's what I meant about Konatsu assuming Kiku as the killer at first, but the next page shows Miyokichi talking to Konatsu before she gets pushed off the balcony. I don't have it saved but some anon posted the untranslated page previously

>>139555287
I don't get it

>>139555438
It's just in her genes to cuck men

Her mom was a double and triple cuck error after all

>>139580843
Remind me who Konatsu cucked again?

>>139580879
She turns men into cucks. It's in her blood.

>>139558150
I as wondering because konatsu memory of it was very different from the story that Kiku told

>>139552880

Sluts ruin everything.

>>139573315
If he didn't crush her so ruthlessly. None of this would have happened. Likely that they would have saved rakugo instead of destroying everything

>>139581261
No reasonable person would think
>well I'm not dating this woman and physically reject her on a regular basis, time to be cruel and harsh about rejecting her in case she tries to murder me and my friend out of spite in the future, even though I don't hate her or particularly want to hurt her