What happens to Shinobu after Kyomi Reverse?
is she still with Kyomi?
>>139532403
Who the fuck is Kyomi?
>>139532403
Of course she is, she loves him.
>tfw no qt donut-eating loli vampire
>>139532403
She goes back to being Princess Beauty and so Araragi can't look at her.
He comes to the conclusion that Ougi is his true partner and that Ougi is the one he needs to actually complete himself as a person.
>>139532639
Sorry, I stuttered
>>139532683
Right, when we all know Hitagi is best girl
>>139533359
What does Hitagi have to do with this? She's irrelevant to Araragi and his continued growth
>>139533762
Well, she was the one present in the last scene.
and she gets him in the end. She's the one arararagi is willing to spend the rest of his life with.
>>139533832
He's also willing to spend his life with Shinobu, they say multiple times that they'll die together.
>>139533832
Let me put something in perspective, anon.
Araragi is willing to spend the rest of his life with Senjougahara.
Araragi is not willing to live without Shinobu.
>>139533886
well, who wouldnt with a vampire like that
>>139533937
Why is Crab so satisfied with being a side bitch?
>>139533992
She isn't side bitch romantically.
The Shinobu relationship is different.
Is Shuraragi immortal? I'm guessing after Gahara dies, Muraragi then gets on with Shinobu
>>139534049
>Is Shuraragi immortal?
Yes. He'll probably outlive everyone except Tsukihi.
>>139534120
But knowing the setting, it isn't exactly too out there to suggest Gahara somehow becomes immortal as well. As far as fanfics go at least.
>>139534194
Who reads or cares about fanfics?
>>139534234
Some doujins with shinobu are cute.
>>139534120
Tsukihi isn't immortal. It's the oddity (the pheonix) that is immortal. Once Tsukihi dies of old age, the Phoenix moves on to its next host by taking the baby's place in someone else's womb.
>>139534255
Well I misunderstood that, my bad.
>>139534328
Does Crab know that Shinobu lives in Araragi's shadow?
I honestly can't remember
>>139534546
Crab was the one who told snake to kill Shinobu first, the damn cunt.
>>139533992
Depending on how you look at it, it's either a 2deep metaphor for flawed human relationships or Nisio can't properly resolve his characters.
Considering Shinobu and Kaiki are the only ones in the entire series who were actually supportive of his relationship with her, it's probably the former.
>>139534546
Hitagi knows everything about Shinobu, which makes me wonder how awkward it is for her, knowing that while she fucks Araragi she's getting Shinobu off too.
>>139534354
Not your fault, everyone calls her immortal when really she just has the power to recover from any wound.
>>139534744
If they ever actually fucked.
>>139534645
Honestly, Shinobu probably would have actually preferred to die first over experiencing Araragi's death through their connection. Especially considering the whole Kabuki shitstorm.
>>139534756
There are different kinds of immortalities that are generally all referred to as "immortality" in casual speech.
I know that Araragi and Shinobu aren't going to live for ever, but I still think about them living on for billions of years until the sun turns into a red giant. I guess though they'd have left Earth long before that. Unless it was still the only place you could get Mister Donut, of course.
>>139534255
Tsukihi is the phoenix, though. You say that as if Tsukihi and the phoenix are different entities but there is no human Araragi Tsukihi, nor was there.
>>139534744
It probably gets her off considering her lesbian tendencies.
>>139534892
>different kinds of immortalities
Immortal means "cannot die", so therefore will live for ever. Except I suppose that doesn't apply to beings like doll and bat who are dead and undead respectively.
>>139534985
Well if the cuckoo parallel holds then Tsukihi Araragi would be the embryo/fetus that the phoenix "replaced".
>>139535013
Maybe that's what it means technically, but it isn't exclusively what it's used for in English.
People who can't die naturally but can be killed are called immortal, for example.
Just like how Kagenui is someone who kills immortal beings.
>>139534985
Nope, Tsukihi is the person who grew up as Araragi's sister. Think of the phoenix's human lives as reincarnation, it's similar to that.
>>139535013
They're really calling them 不死身. "Immortal" isn't an ideal translation.
>>139535013
If you're being really pedantic, immortal means that you cannot be killed and will live forever.
But for example immortal is used to describe biologically immortal creatures as well, especially in fantasy and other works of fiction.
>>139533331
No, you did it on purpose.
>>139534806
I don't know how dense you need to be to watch Monogatari and still think they never banged.
>>139533992
>Why is Crab so satisfied with being a side bitch?
Because she gets dick, while Hanekawa got nothing.
Crab will forever be a side bitch. She'l get old and die (IF Arararagi decides to stay faithful to an old hag) while Arararagi will stay young and he and Shinobu will be together forever.
That's the truth, not even an interpretation.
>>139533992
Because she's a harem MC.
Shinobu and Araragi are basically immortal. Araragis relationship with crap will just be a blink in their life...in their journey. Araragi does can't comprehend that yet only in retrospektiv but Shinobu understands it because she is already so old. Both Araragi and Shinobu will walk side by side, hand in hand forever. They will outlive uncountable generations and eras. They will only have each other. It's the true love story of the monogatari series.
People treat Araragi not ageing as fact, but it was only ever speculation by Shinobu
>>139535715
out of curiousity, what's your native language?
>>139535864
German
>>139535715
>people actually believe that a forever young Araragi would fuck a withering, sagging, 40s-50s-60s Crab
Don't know if sad or cute.
>>139535446
>admit in your own post that their situation impedes a sexual relationship
>call me dense for drawing the obvious logical conclusion
Sure anon, it doesn't matter that them having sex adds nothing whatsoever to the story, was never directly confirmed, only contradicts established development and creates a plothole. Hitagi offered sex therefore it must have happened. Your sexual fantasies are completely safe.
>>139535908
>contradicts established development
>creates a plothole
I think this is a bit too elaborate for a bait. Care to explain?
>>139535900
Dude i was writing about how Araragi and Shiobu will be together forever and how the relationship with crab will be over in a blink from their perspective so what are you arguing against. And it will be sadcute to answer your question.
>>139535884
cool, have you seen kizu?
>>139535908
Thay totally did not fuck in Tsukimonogatari right?
>>139535715
>>139535884
Bist du in Ordnung?
>>139536038
Didn't meant to quote you m8. My point still stands, people who think that Araragi will stay will Crab until she dies are delusional.
>>139536075
Offensichtlich bin ich nicht in Ordnung sonst wäre ich ja nicht hier ;)
>>139536040
Sadly no i'm from Switzerland and i don't think we have it in our cinemas like the Germans.
>>139536136
I think he will stay with her till the end but fool around with other things like he does atm. Maybe he will sometimes be away for months but he will "stay" with her.
>>139535715
Given the way every conflict in the gatari series has been resolved so far, a more probable outcome is Araragi finding a way to turn his entire harem immortal and to just keep doing what he's always doing till the end of time. Bittersweet endings like living forever together with Shinobu while everyone else dies aren't really Araragi Koyomi's style.
>>139535982
>Araragi knows about Shinobu, making sex awkward (if not downright impossible, depending on his or Shinobu's own disposition toward it)
>Hitagi also knows about Shinobu, making sex awkward (if not downright impossible, depending on Hitagi's own disposition toward it)
>Hitagi learned about Shinobu at an undisclosed point in time either during or shortly after Nise
>Araragi didn't even have a healthy relationship with Shinobu during Nise, and he had just got done going through a rough patch with Hitagi
>Shinobu has directly talked about how they experience everything from bath to taking shits together, but Araragi's supposed sex life has never come up in any of their dialogue
tl;dr, it's firmly established in the story that Araragi isn't a scumbag who would get his dick wet at the cost of people he cares about, therefore him actually having sex in his situation doesn't happen even if Hitagi tests him from time to time.
>>139536574
He's canonically tongue kissed Senjougahara already and admits to masturbating to porn with Shinobu inside his shadow, they'll no doubt fuck eventually even if they haven't yet.
>>139536664
The doujinshis tell us the future of their relationship.
If ararararagi fucks shinobu, does she feel a double pleasure ?
>>139536664
>admits to masturbating to porn with Shinobu inside his shadow
eh ? When ?
>>139536826
Yes, hers and Araragi's.
>>139536861
Owarimonogatari (Shinobu mail) when he goes to buy porn mags. In the books he states something along the lines of still buying porn with Shinobu in his shadow which means he'd also masturbate to it logically speaking.
>>139536664
That does seem more plausible. The main thing I object to is people saying he fucked Hitagi during Nise, since it would have been extremely dishonest and irresponsible on his part and contradicted virtually everything the arc revolved around.
His level of intimacy with Shinobu has grown and presumably her and Hitagi have managed to get to know eachother too, however it's hard to say if they'll ever actually reach that point. Araragi has kissed a lot of girls, having another girl participate in deflowering your girlfriend seems like a pretty monumental step above that. Even masturbation is just a foregone conclusion because of male biology.
That said, something probably would happen once they hit drinking age.
>>139537058
It takes until the end of Owarimonogatari for him to even start calling Senjougahara by her first name, it's pretty obvious they haven't fucked by that point in time.
>>139537115
To be fair, I don't think anyone actually likes Hitagi's first name.
>>139537115
She's stuck in "maybe someday" status just like Shinobu.
>Nisio in charge of satisfying romantic conclusions.
>>139536664
If he's having sex why would he need to masturbate?
>>139537403
If he's having sex, why does he keep Cat's underwear?
>>139537058
Does Shinobu even care about sex? She's supposed to be an ancient oddity, not a 11 year old girl. You'd think she thinks of sex as a normal human behaviors.
>deflowering your girlfriend
>Hitagi
Yeah.....about that......
>>139537508
>If he's having sex, why does he keep Cat's underwear?
Family heirloom to be passed down the generations you fucking mouthbreathing aqualung
>>139537508
why not?
>>139537058
>since it would have been extremely dishonest and irresponsible on his part and contradicted virtually everything the arc revolved around.
You may think so, but Nisio almost certainly doesn't see it your way. It's not treated as a problem.
>buying porn to jerk off
>keeping underwear to jerk off
>lolicon
>lusts after multiple girls
This dude can't have a satisfying sex life.
>>139538743
Why does he have to suffer?
>>139532403
she becomes a drug addict addicted to araragi's cock
>>139536495
But there won't be any of that, Nisio will either just end it with everyone to decide or drop it somewhere when it stops being popular
>>139533992
Cause crab understands her immortal husbando goes by different rules.
>>139536574
are you that walk home gently guy? crab is probably the biggest case of a violent girl turned into a doormat due to the power of the cock
>>139540680
The term is overused but Crab is a cuck.
If you want a blunt confirmation, in Karen Ogre (which is set sometime after Suruga Devil) they're both present and both still bound to each other.
>>139540680
>crab
>>139533992
She absolutely gets off on Araragi getting intimate with other girls only for him to come back to her at the last moment.
Frankly I feel sorry for Kanbaru in the weird three-way relationship that they have. Kanbaru likes both of them, Araragi likes hanging around Kanbaru in general but tries to be wary of getting too close to her but Gahara insists that he should "spoil" her and has Kanbaru encourage it even, and both Araragi and Kanbaru know how pissy Gahara would get if anything actually happened between the two.
>>139541298
Crab reminds me of that manga where there's this cuck who gets off of his wife fucking other men.
At first she's reluctant but in the end she becomes a massive slut but the cuck still wants her to fuck other men.
>>139535715
Considering the whole mess in the latter half of the series involving Ougi and Gaen was caused by Koyomi and Shinobu both being reluctant to split up, they better end up together. The "humans and oddities can't co-exist" thing that Meme says at the beginning is sort of ominous. Also >>139535833 is correct, Araragi might not have an extended lifespan at all for all we know.
I doubt Nisio will even go there though, he'll just leave it at an open ending and drop it when gets bored of it or it gets too unpopular to continue, whichever one comes first
>>139537115
Wasn't it also mentioned that they haven't gone on a single date since the one in Tsubasa Cat?
>>139541790
Because she was focused on making him study so he got into the same uni as her
>>139541790
No.
>>139541891
I know the reason why, but that makes it really unlikely that they've had sex.
>>139541931
No, it doesn't. The name thing doesn't either.
>>139533992
because she's actually getting the dick
>Crab wants threesome wih Kanbaru or Cat
>Araragi doesn't get the message.
>>139533992
She's not though. She's the only one Araragi actually likes romantically.
>>139535446
related autism
>>139534806
better be careful anon
next thing you know you're going to be saying he walked her home gently like
>>139542351
>>139542340
Hanekawa doesn't want a threesome with Araragi though, she wants Araragi either all to herself or not at all. If Hanekawa doesn't push for it then Araragi won't either
and Senjougahara doesn't see Kanbaru in that way period, she's the only one in the three people involved here who would have a problem with a threesome even
>She's the only one Araragi actually likes romantically.
It's the opposite, Araragi 'loves' almost all the main girls to the point where it's a problem. Senjougahara got there first and he's devoted (or atleast he tries to be) to her as a result.
>>139542650
Sorry but hanekawa has always been and always will be shit
>>139542798
don't hate on the cat you fag
>>139542650
In the novels, Hanekawa says she loves Senjougahara, too.
>>139542899
Sounds like you just can't accept the truth.
She has a boring backstory, never had any interesting dialogue, and switches from stereotypical classroom leader with glasses cancer into random ass neko shit
>>139543053
I'm aware, that doesn't change her stance regarding Araragi though.
In the novels both Araragi and Kanbaru openly admit that they'd probably be dating if they met each other earlier and casually confess to each other (before Araragi even formally confesses to Senjougahara even, I think? This all happens in Nadeko Snake) too, doesn't mean that anything will happen there either.
>>139543185
No it's not before, it's after since the Hitagi confession happens in Snail.
>>139543506
Koyomi didn't confess to Hitagi in Snail. She confessed to him.
>>139534120
Araragi isn't immortal anymore. He outright said it at the beginning of Bake.
Ararararagi wouldn't have so many problems with aberrations if he was single and able to fuck those girls
>>139543803
That means he can be killed. He still has regen.
>>139543849
Moral of this story: never commit to anyone, you'll just end up being harassed by school girl Silent Hill
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>>139544501
>not wanting your own Ougi
Kabuki and Kizu are best love stories ever told.
>>139544655
The banter in Kabuki was great and all but the core premise behind the scenario was too dumb
>>139544573
BIG
>>139546465
FAT
>>139546605
DOUGHNUTS
Bat is endgame.
Rate her foot game
>>139544655
Kizu pushed Araragi/Hanekawa more than anything, though.
>>139547537
karen is endgame
I haven't seen it yet but where does Koyomimonogatari place in the chronological order? Isn't it just a novel full of side stories?
>>139551361
Yeah, the stories start from being ones set early on to the latter ones being towards the end of the timeline. Mostly pretty self-contained outside of the last few which start explicitly referencing Nadeko Medusa and Yotsugi Doll and stuff.
>>139551361
Literally all over the timeline, and it ends before Owari 3 I believe.
>>139551361
It's one per month of Araragi's school year
>>139551663
I just realized this. Fuck.
>>139548230
lickable soles
>>139543069
kill yourself shitter
>>139553676
Seriously? The title is "Calendar Story."
>>139555512
I mean that I didn't realize it was Araragi's school year.
>>139548230
Pummelled.
>>139551594
I love you
>>139551594
I'm pretty sure Koyomi Mountain is before Nadeko Medusa
>>139555923
You're right. That chart is outdated.
>>139555923
It should be, yes. I don't know if there is an updated chart, this was just the first one I saw when I looked for it. If only there was one like this with the Koyomi bits put in, it's much nicer.
>>139556723
The newest one is also incorrect. Suruga Bonehead and Tsukihi Undo are after Suruga Devil.
>>139556879
>shinobu house
what?
>>139558420
http://bakemonogatari.wikia.com/wiki/Monogatari_Short_Stories
>>139537546
Kizu, Kabuki, and Oni all pretty heavily imply that she's doesn't know much if anything of sex.
>>139538726
How would it be portrayed as a problem when it's never been acknowledged to exist in the first place? Araragi's masturbation and bathroom situation have come up in the text, but him having sex has never been acknowledged in the entire story.
also
>one of the most crucial events in Nise is Hitagi accusing him of cheating
>araragi having sex with her without coming clean about Shinobu
>Nisio, a japanese LN author, not seeing this as a problem
>>139540743
>>139542351
>>139542519
>>139535446
Oh look, it's the guy from /v/ who thinks that memes are an adequate substitute for actual story discussion.
>>139558838
>jealous Shinobu
CUTE
>>139559005
>Oh look, it's the guy from /v/ who thinks that memes are an adequate substitute for actual story discussion.
You're not helping your cause with your meme logic. They're a couple and it's normal for them to have sex. See: the end of Tsuki.
>>139558838
Karen Arm Leg translation when
>>139537546
If anything sex would probably be a step down in terms of intimacy for the two at this point.
Feels weird relating Shinobu to the romance angle of the series because frankly she's moreorless outside of it, on the contrary it's something the rest of the cast has to deal with as opposed to something that she has to put up with. Her and Koyomi are pretty much a package deal and the dynamics of their relationship, however you want to intepret it, are too different to everyone elses to even be comparable really.
>>139559752
I love Shinobu.
She's winning in the long term anyway so who cares.
>>139559326
>You're not helping your cause with your meme logic.
And now you're not even using the word meme correctly. If you don't want to be called out for being fresh off of /v/ then don't shitpost in the manner that /v/ is most notorious for.
>They're a couple and it's normal for them to have sex.
You're making the mistake of suggesting any of the characters or scenarios in the story are remotely normal. Is it normal for the boyfriend to be a psuedo-vampire with someone living in his shadow? Is it normal for another party to participate in deflowering your girlfriend? Well, maybe that last one's normal for you.
>See: the end of Tsuki.
Never confirmed or even alluded to. Just like Hitagi, Karen, or Kanbaru in Karen Bee.
>>139560084
so it really is the walk home gently fag. have you already walked someone home gently?
>>139534744
That's pretty hot.
>>139560084
Not him but it is alluded too at the end of Karen bee though severely, how can you deny that? Even if it doesn't fit the theming of the arc, it was pretty obvious what it was suggesting.
>>139560084
>/v/
>walk home gently
Pick one. That shit originated on this board you autist. At least get your facts right.
>>139560251
Simply epic.
>>139560287
What are you referring to? Hitagi offered sex, but it's left open-ended (just like with Karen and Kanbaru). There's still way too much baggage in their relationship at that point for it to be a given they actually did it in that instance, and them actually doing so offers nothing to the story. There's no reason, from a literary standpoint, to assume sex actually happened.
>>139560368
Work on your reading comprehension.
>>139561332
Go take your meds, autismo. It's actually pretty sad the way you're embarrassing yourself.
>>139561332
>Work on your reading comprehension.
ironic coming from a guy who can't even use simple logic. stay in denial.
>>139561332
>There's no reason, from a literary standpoint, to assume sex actually happened.
Of course there is. Crab has been irrelevant ever since she had sex with Araragi. That's good from a literary standpoint because Crab has always been a shit character.
>>139561512
>>139561675
Now you're just getting mad on the internet.
>>139561861
Okay.
>>139556879
>calling the TV specials OVAs
Do people seriously not know what OVAs are anymore?
>>139561332
>What are you referring to? Hitagi offered sex, but it's left open-ended
stop baiting
>>139563532
>>>/reddit/
Koyomi has a different emotion/feeling tied to each girl in the series.
I can't remember exactly which it was, but something along the lines of with
Snail- He confides in her with his issues
Monkey- He's the most happy
Cat- and idolizing relationship
etc.
Hitagi resolved her issues so Koyomi chose her, and he plans to stay with her during her lifespan but in the end there will only be Shinobu.
Their soul link goes beyond 'love', it's more about them living for each other. If one is ready to die, the other will follow through without hesitation. It's kinda explained over in Kizu and I've always found their relationship the most bitter sweet.
i don't get it. are people saying it's obvious they had sex because it's implied? isn't that the definite opposite of what implied means? what's going on in this thread?
>>139563850
>Hitagi resolved her issues so Koyomi chose her
You wot? Araragi got with Hitagi way before she got over her issues. Hell, Hanekawa suggests that she still hasn't gotten over them.
>>139564145
It's just dumb bait, dunno how it even turned into a full conversation
>>139564145
Technically it wasn't even implied sex. It was an explicit offer of sex that was never actually addressed by the story. In fact, the story itself implies that sex never happened, good examples being >>139537115 and >>139541790.
>>139564145
It's one guy trying to keep senjo pure even though we all know she's a filthy cocksleeve at this point. Ignore him.
>>139564145
Retards think that knowing the meaning of "please be gentle with me tonight" makes them next-level readers who discerned the ultimate hidden meaning behind the Monogatari series. They then proceed get angry when someone suggests that Nisio is a step or two above putting blatant hentai cliches into his work without subverting them.
Who cares about Crab, Bat wins in the long run.
>>139564855
stop projecting kiddo. nobody in this thread suggested that.
>>139565168
Their shitposting suggests it quite clearly.
>>139535446
At this point it's a meme. don't take those people seriously
