Expectations for the Heaven's Feel trilogy?
I hope the pace doesn't feel sluggish.
>>139530893
It can't possibly be slow, 3 movies is realistically still only 9-18 TV episodes depending on movie length.
3 > 1 > 2
>>139530037
Worms. and lots of it.
HYPPPEEEEEEEEE
Finally be able to see Shirou vs Berserker animated
>>139531079
*27
>>139530037
>anime only thread
>>139530037
>Expectations
lol
fuck off
>>139530037
Like Star Wars, but anime and not star wars related.
>>139531387
2006-2010 were the days for the FSN PC game threads
2012-2016+ are the days for FSN anime only threads
>>139531330
No way are the movies all gonna be 3 hours long. The longest anime movie ever made is 163 minutes.
We're getting something like 100-150 min per movie.
>>139531387
I was really disappointed this promo art is all we got, but it's pretty good for just being a lame shot of Sakura in a dress.
Really like how the grail sludge is camouflaged as vegetation and how the image takes a completely different tone when you remove the pretty flowers at the bottom half.
>>139530037
What the fuck is up with this spoiler-ish as fuck summary? It's like they're fucking making it like everyone should have watched Zero before.
>>139532041
Does it really matter what a summary on ANN or MAL says?
>>139530037
Oh yeah, just reveal the big plot points of the route in the synopsis. No big deal.
I mean, I get that it gets revealed in the first episode of Fate/Zero, but not everybody has seen it.
>>139532041
No, but you should have read the VN.
I'm sure it'll be fine. Trilogy sounds just about right for the story to be told without really losing anything (well, assuming these aren't hour long KnK style flicks).
Definitely not looking forward to discussing them, though. I really enjoyed UBW, but talking about it has got to be one of the least fun times you can have on /a/.
I assume it's gonna be worse with HF, since it's a much more polarizing route.
Best VN route, but worst girl.
>>139532875
But it's also a more Zerofag friendly route. The worst about UBW discussion was Zerofags being mad about not enough darkness, edge, suffering, Kotomine, Zouken, and Illya. And of course they were confused about Sakura's dark past being brushed aside, or worse, "retconned".
>>139533016
I don't know about that. HF has the darker tone, but a lot of the anime-only Zerofags I've seen really liked it for the whole battle royale element of the story.
If they didn't like a teenage ginger beating Gilgamesh in a climactic final battle, how are they gonna feel about him jobbing to a walking window curtain half-way through the route?
>>139533072
Sakura is a "Fate Zero character", Shirou is that new stupid harem idiot who replaced the epic Kiritsugu.
I could almost see the swallowing this easier than the scenario in UBW based solely on feelings.
>>139533260
I guess it would all really depend on what specifically they liked about Zero in the first place.
I have a hard time thinking HF is going to jive with someone who got into things for the idea of historical figures fighting each other. That's practically thrown straight out the window with this route.
>>139533072
>half-way through the route?
That happens almost at the end though, right before dark sakura.
Will Ufotable adapt the third route?
>>139533443
This is the third route.
DEEN handled the first route back in 2006, and Ufotable some comfortable with not needing to adapt it again.
>>139530037
>Sakura was not supposed to enter the Holy Grail War
If you're going to spoil the whole plot twist, at least do it correctly.
I hate Zero secondaries. By watching Zero you already ruined the whole HF experience.
>>139533499
seems*
>>139531789
what happened in 2010-2012?
>>139533527
So I should wait these movies before watching Zero? I have 0 interest in the VN, I saw it's like 100 hours long to 100% it.
The only preview so far.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtmdnB95Uxc
>>139533592
Then you are a little bitch
>>139530037
>>139533592
Fate/Zero is a prequel that assumes you know the story of FSN.
The problem is, Fate/Zero came out in 2011, and these movies aren't coming out until 2017, so yeah, when all's said and done, if you want to watch things properly, it should be Fate/stay night (2006) -> Fate/stay night [Unlimited Blade Works] (2014) -> Fate/stay night [Heaven's Feel] (2017) -> Fate/Zero (2011).
But we don't live in the perfect world right now, so things are kind of tricky.
How long is the first route of the VN? I'm 23 hours in at the castle scene, am I near the end?
>>139533583
UBW movie, CP, Zero
>>139533592
It doesn't feel that long to me but I understand why people wouldn't want to read the vn. Especially since Fate isn't like those galge where the dialogues only appeared at the lower screen.
You should really watch Zero later if you wanted to enjoy HF. It spoils literally everything.
>>139533709
Also, I'd say watching the 2010 UBW movie after the TV series is not a horrible idea. It's generally regarded as not being good, but it's an alternate interpretation that only takes 90 minutes of your time to get through.
>>139533659
Subbed version but quality is not as good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn8mGbLpjA4
>>139533797
>Needing subs for some shitty song
>>139532041
>It's like they're fucking making it like everyone should have watched Zero before.
Of course. That's why it aired first.
>not watching in production order
>not watching chronologically
I wonder how UFOtable is going to handle all the sex that happens in it. It was actually part of the story in this route and not shoehorned in like in the others
>>139533960
Why do people forget Realta Nua was a thing
>>139530037
Worms invading an extremely worn vagina.
1. Play the VN. If you cannot do that, seriously abort thread.
2. Watch F/Z ? Maybe???
3. Fap to Carnival
4. Ignore everything else.
>>139533723
You're a bit past halfway.
>>139533985
Shirou still goes dizzy as hell and implies sex a couple of times, the blood sucking is weirdly sexual.
>>139533723
You're at 75% of the Fate route.
>>139533996
>1. Play the VN. If you cannot do that, seriously abort thread.
>2. Watch F/Z ? Maybe???
>3. Read HF
>4. Ignore everything else.
FTFY
Is it a bad thing if I want to fuck this cute Servant
>>139534037
>>139533996
Okay, are the other routes similar in length? I heard they were shorter.
>>139534075
*HA
>>139534122
UBW is quite shorter, HF is about the same as Fate.
>>139534122
UBW is quite a bit shorter, HF is almost as long as Fate.
>>139534122
If anything, HF was longer
>>139534114
Unless you are a girl, yes, it woud mean you are gay.
>>139533797
That one completely fucks up HF and CCC's meaning
>>139534199
You read the prologue when you read Fate, but most probably skip it in HF so Fate is longer in total.
>>139534211
Oh well.
>>139534155
>>139534182
>almost the same exact wording
Wow, spooky.
>>139533260
>Kiritsugu
>Epic
I almost liked him until I watched his flashback episode. There was no justification of him killing his father in cold blood unless he's just that autistic.
Hopes:
>SoL is trimmed down and reworked, its ultimate point is just to get the player invested in Shirou/Sakura's relationship and there's much more effective and quick ways to do that sort of thing
>Doesn't get edited to try give Saber's story resolution like UBW did, it's not her route and she isn't meant to be happy by the end of it
>Includes more monologuing and breaks in the action for introspection in general since Shirou redefining himself as a person is one of the central aspects of the story
>Fights play out the same - Gilgamesh doesn't do better vs Sakura to appease Zerofags, Shirou lays Berserker down with one exchange of blows instead of drawing it out, etc.
>Does not keep the Realta Nua changes, Zero already confirmed the worst of Sakura's abuse and it'd just be fucking stupid to try cover up the rest in a film - especially since it just harms the story anyway
>True End is adapted
>SLH gets an OVA done of it
>All three films are out by Summer 2018 at the latest
Expectations
>SoL is kept and the first film almost entirely consists of it despite how much it'll destroy the pacing in an animated format
>Fights are edited to be more 'epic' like Gil and Archer were in UBW
>No monologues, Shirou has a lot of his character building cut accordingly
>Saber is made the secondary heroine once again
>Only finished by Fall 2019
>>139534479
>Saber is made the secondary heroine once again
It makes no sense in HF, in UBW you can at least get a saber end, her HF end is Shirou killing her.
Nasu is a hack; Shirou a cuck.
>>139530037
It's the best route in the VN so I have high expectations that I'll like it.
>>139534423
anon pls
>>139534479
>Doesn't get edited to try give Saber's story resolution like UBW did
UBW always implied a resolution for Saber, even in the VN. There's still that conversation just before the final battle with Gil where Saber essentially says Shirou saved her.
The anime essentially just made the character development more clear.
>>139534075
>Ignoring the god-tier material that is Carnival Phantasm
What kind of shit taste is this ?
>>139534601
And I thought how they did it was bad, and came at the cost of screentime that could have been used to develop Shirou a bit more.
Her resolution in the VN was fine on that route, there was no need to make it more explicit or give her added focus
>>139534345
Cute
What exactly does Deen /Stay Night spoil? It was such a long time ago I don't remember but I don't remember out right hating it.
The reality is people don't want to read, but Fate is needed for UBW, the question people had because when UBW was airing was so painful.
Is F/Z then UBW just simply the normie route to go?
>>139534685
I don't think Saber particularly got a lot of original scenes at all, certainly not to the point of where it cost Shirou screen time.
Plus, some of the stuff I thought was good for Shirou's character. It made it really clear that his whole arc is an Arthurian parallel.
>>139534479
>SLH gets an OVA
I get a feeling they'll just incorporate SLH to the Rider fight. Also they'll give it aimer emo song.
>>139534757
DEEN's series spoils that Sakura and Rin are related, more or less adapts the Caster arc from UBW, and makes Archer's identity a bit more heavy-handed (but not to the point of where it's 100% obvious).
Watching it definitely isn't wrong. Once HF is out, it's probably the prime way to watch the adaptations of the story. Begin with DEEN, then transition to Ufo's UBW, HF, and cap it off with Zero.
>>139534855
There is no point for Shirou to use TCW if Rider is by his side.
>>139534757
Normalsfags do not care about the greater picture or how a story is woven together, so they should and do watch it however they want.
As long as they shut the fuck up and don't try to talk about things they have no knowledge about.
>>139534925
If they want to be retarded and do more Saber pandering, they'll just make Bellerophon not working against Alter.
>>139534757
It spoils everything like Zero, except Ilya's parents I guess.
People hated Fate because Shirou was a weakass faggot who sounds like a sexist when you take his monologue out of context. Saber vs Gil at the end was pretty hype no matter what though.
>>139535079
>>139534775
>I don't think Saber particularly got a lot of original scenes at all, certainly not to the point of where it cost Shirou screen time.
It was less them giving her new scenes and more them focusing on or including her in ones that were about Shirou. The Archer fight is the prime example, with her being added as an audience member so they can more explicitly confirm that from Shirou's struggle with his ideals she finds the answer to her own - whereas they could have just made her a non-factor for it like the VN and retained the ficus solely on him and Archer, including his inner thoughts throughout it and not just the shit he screamed.
She crops up a lot in the more SoL Rin/Shirou scenes as well, with her antics or reactions getting added focus instead of her being mostly an observer - and in the anime original scenes where this happens, it would have been a great chance to make it explicitly clear Shirou isn't a dense idiot who pisses off the Tsundere by accident, but that he's aware of the romantic tension between them and he's teasing her to provoke a reaction. This is an especially annoying omission already because of the anime mishandling him and Rin, imo.
I'll admit this wasn't really even close to being the biggest fault of UBW in either regard, but it certainly was a contributing factor to a lot of the story changes/fuck ups in it that I disliked, personally.
>>139535154
Still better than "Saber can't fight because she's a girl!"
>>139535246
I think it was not so bad, if a 140 cm girl came to me and said that she would fight for me, I would call bullshit as well.
>>139535246
>"Saber can't fight because she's a girl!"
That always made perfect sense. Girls have no place in a fight against men.
>>139535312
t. Alberto Barbosa
>>139535245
>with her being added as an audience member so they can more explicitly confirm that from Shirou's struggle with his ideals she finds the answer to her own - whereas they could have just made her a non-factor for it like the VN and retained the ficus solely on him and Archer, including his inner thoughts throughout it and not just the shit he screamed.
The thing is, it wasn't a non-factor in the VN. There's a reason she was there in the first place, and it's confirmed in a scene after the fight.
Saber gets her answer from watching Shirou's fight there. This has always been in the VN. The anime just allowed for some extra camera angles.
Saber standing there wasn't just Nasu not knowing what to do with her.
With regards to your other statement, Saber had very few anime original scenes. Rin, by far, had the most. I think Saber might have had two, right off the top of my head?
Miura wanted UBW to be a spiritual successor of Fate/Zero when Nasu had said no. He went with it at the end. You could read more during his interview with Nasu regarding the direction of the show
Could it be?
>>139533260
People were also angered by Shirou's illogical reasoning, and HF has the least of these classic Shirouisms of rushing a Servant on his own etc. Even before he changes, he acts completely different.
>>139535652
I don't think that's right.
Nasu wanted to do the Fate route, but Miura wanted to focus on Shirou and his growth as a character. The only thing I've heard about him talk about Zero and UBW's connection, is him seeing UBW Shirou is a realization of Kerry's dream.
>>139533841
>fate fans go to japan
>w-where are the subtitles
>>139535698
Friendly reminder that HF still opens up with Shirou running face first into Berserker's sword.
>>139535245
Was the second season that disapointing?
>>139535820
Second season was better than the first.
>>139535820
It was fucking great up until roughly the last five episodes.
>>139535820
It was kinda worse but Rho Aias and Last Stardust redeems the whole thing.
>>139535739
The problem is that later he turned UBW into a mismatched something that didn't know what it wanted to be. It was like 30% rewrite and 70% original and it felt off due to that.
>>139535943
>the last five episodes
Episodes 20, 24, and 25 were some of the best in the series.
>>139535946
>Last Stardust redeems the whole thing.
yeah man
cant wait for more emo aimer songs in hf am i right
*high five*
>>139535943
Nah the Akame ga Kill tier flashback boogaloo ruined the start.
>>139535969
Oh come the fuck on Fai, it's 5:00 in the morning.
>>139530037
>Toosaka
Can they not spell?
>>139536054
They also spoiled the plot
>>139536054
How would you spell it then
Toe sucker?
>>139535969
The one who made this image has gotta be the maddest lad in the universe.
>>139536087
Tousaka
>>139536087
Tsundere
>>139535986
I don't remember which exactly those were, but if the Shirou fights with Archer or Gilgamesh happened in them then you're wrong and I hate you.
>>139536124
Tohsaka is more visually pleasing
>>139536104
He's a potentially legitimate autist who prowls every place TM is discussed in English, and foams at the mouth about hating the UBW anime.
>>139536135
20 - Shirou vs Archer
24 - Shirou vs Gilgamesh / Saber blowing up Grail
25 - Epilogue featuring Waver
>>139536135
Hate away. Fucking great episodes.
>>139536183
The epilogue was shit
The Rin vs Luvia scene, while not bad on its own, felt really out of place.
>>139535993
I mean the whole scene in general. It explains Shirou's resolution more clearly than the VN.
>>139536178
Every place except Beast's Lair, which is kinda ironic as it's the biggest English speaking T-M autists nest.
>>139536272
Could've been better. Could've been worse.
inb4 defense force
>>139536312
Anything can be better or worse. That's saying absolutely nothing.
>>139536272
The whole episode is out of place. The last episode should've been a 40-minutes special that combines Gil fight with the epilogue and have it end the same way as the VN. Have a flash forward to Shirou and Rin in London but don't give it an entire episode.
>>139533996
I did step 1 correctly.
I kinda messed up step 2 by reading the Fate/Zero light novels.
I'm not gonna watch Carnival Phantasm until I finish reading Tsukihime.
I know, I fucked it up, but I like it more this way.
>>139536374
>The whole episode is out of place.
I agree, just that part is particular stood out more than the rest.
>>139536312
Could have been worse is that they played out the exact ending from the VN.
The anime did that, but actually pushed the story forward, and gave fans answers to questions they've had for 10 years. What's Shirou and Rin's life in London like? What happens to Shirou in the end?
I remember people thinking a London epilogue would practically be impossible.
>>139536374
Nasu talked about how he wanted to give UBW a proper resolution. As it was, the VN ending was written with you, the player, going on to HF in mind.
I feel like these threads are deja vu as the same guy posts the same things over and over
>>139536440
>same guy
Same guys.
How many fucking people do you think actually participate in TM threads?
>>139536440
I've felt like that for the last 8 years I've been a Fate fan.
>>139536469
I know how you feel but this time it's a very specific one. Considering the 32 posters I guess it was inevitable.
>>139536440
This is why I really like Hollow Ataraxia. It's really accurate in that fatefags were trapped in some kind of time loop.
>>139536394
> I kinda messed up step 2 by reading the Fate/Zero light novels.
Nah, you did good, Ufotable fucked up some parts of Volumes 3 and 4 in second season anyway.
>>139531079
Missed the joke
>>139536540
I'm pretty sure a good chunk of us have innately picked up the posting habits of a lot of the people here, it's just, what do you fucking say? "Hey, you're that guy who always types like that. Neither of us know each other on anything other than a superficial level, but I recognize your existence."
>>139536469
>>139536304
Modern day Beasts Lair takes nothing seriously, the core userbase is tired oldfags who just don't give a shit anymore and have succumbed to ironic memeing. This guy isn't on Beasts Lair only because he is a super serious obsessed militant purist that overrates FSN as a whole, he'd be laughed out of there in a heartbeat.
>>139536304
>Beast's Lair
>DDD translation
10 YAERS BOYS
10 YEARS
>>139536799
I miss the days of the Moonlit World
>>139530037
No one actually believed there was only going to be one movie, right? People only claimed that to troll HF fans, right?
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>>139537724
We've been there before.
>>139537664
Every time there is but the slightest consideration in my mind to visit a con of any kind, images like these pop up and remind me why not to go.
I'd deck Shiremo in the face for not being able to get a t-shirt in the right size, let alone puke all over fat saber and fat rin.
Everything nasu writes is bathroom novel garbage, bereft of characterization, themes, symbolism, ideas, or representation of the human condition. They are not about anything; they are just about the plot.
Other anime and manga aren't like this. They are about youth, coming of age, young love, the horrors of war, nihilism, and what it means to be Japanese in the modern world.
Fate shit is literally just
>and then this happened and then this happened and then this happened and then this happened and then this happened and then this happened and then this happened and then this happened and then this happened
There's no structure. There's no goal. There's no destination. There's no arc. The story isn't heading anywhere. There's no conclusion or climax. It's just a giant masturbation without end.
>Nine Lives Work
>make mapo tofu scene as awkward as possible
>a few minutes on Kotomine's past and wife
>Kotomine and Shirou beating the shit out of each other with All Evil of the World preluding the fight
This is all ufotable needs to do to please me.
>>139530037
"Synopsis". That's not a synopsis. That's half a summary of F/SN.
>>139539279
i found his yorokobe shounen delivery underwhelming.
