Surprisingly good episode
>>139517621
Really enjoyed cegeta teaching caba, why cant we get more stuff like this and less shitty Lmao food episodes
>next episode done by the guy who did episode 5
>>139517621
The animation was good, the mysic was good, and the character building was good. Is super becoming good?
>>139517701
Sauce or lies
>>139517621
Is there a stream somewhere? I missed it?
>>139517781
look at the preview animation and you'll know
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUYVto3Yb8w
>>139517621
Cabba is like the son Vegeta never had.
>>139518279
Cabba is Vegeta.
will Hit go pshh nothing personnel kid on Vegeta?
>>139518333
You missed the joke, man.
I agree Super is getting good after all the shit redoing of the movies
Anyone still hype about Monaka?
How old is Cabba?
>>139518562
Monaka is a confirmed fraud.
Hit will beat Vegeta.
Goku can beat Hit, but he wants to see Monaka fight so he'll lose on purpose.
Champa will pull some trick that will let Monaka upset hit since Champa does not want to give up his Cube.
Hit is SSB level , nice
>>139518729
I don't see Goku beating Hit since he's stronger than SSB. Hit isn't even trying if you check the preview.
Reminder Hit can sense god Ki.
>>139518279
He should have raised Trunks better then.
>>139518691
that's the point, my guess is Hit's power only works on really strong people, and Monaka is something like the weakest in the universe, so when Hit tries his powers on him it will weaken him to the point of losing
>>139518994
I mean vegeta was a bit tired from 3 fights in a row
>>139519083
Trunks is a halfbreed, he doesn't deserve it.
>>139518994
Maybe if Goku remembers that he's a finesse fighter he'll have a better chance against Hit.
>>139519129
Hit seems to manipulate ki and Monaka probably doesn't have enough to do any good, so you're probably right
this ep was so good.
can trunks defeat cabba?
The highlight of the episode was actually Yamcha having some lines.
>>139519267
No.
Did they fire their previous animators?
I'm not saying this is a masterpiece but look at this fucking drawing
it almost looks as detailed as the drawings from Z
>>139519235
If he can learn from the battle with Vegeta, then he could probably can. Hit probably has some insane attacks that are fatal. That's why you see Vegeta struggling. If Goku could see through his attacks and avoid them, then all is well.
Which episode is the actual start? I don't really wanna watch the whole Beerus stuff again
>>139519367
They found the time to draw more than 5 lines I guess
>>139519367
Except for the mouth that looks like a line made in paint.
>>139519367
Different episodes are made by different studios.
This one doesn't seem like Philippines tier animation.
>>139519525
holy fucking shit you're right.
I jsut saw the preview
look at this monstrosity
>>139519423
watch 15-19, 28-
>>139519525
Although...
being a vegetafag is suffering
>>139519596
Thanks bruh
i liked this chapter a lot
>>139519634
How does it feel being female.
>>139517621
>>139517736
They're all good. Why does every episode have people who say this?
>>139519634
Why? The two last episodes have been good for Vegetafags.
>>139519812
fuck you vegeta is a cool mofo
>>139519367
There were hardly any art problems with face close-ups, it's usually when the shots zoom out that things go wonky.
>>139519320
If you didn't catch it, Yamcha first says "Uh-oh, is he slipping back to his old evil ways?" and then later on says "Oh yeah, I totally believed in him the entire time!" at which point Bulma and Trunks call out his bullshit.
>>139519367
The shot of him holding Cabba by the collar looks even better.
>>139519854
never forget
https://youtu.be/cA-WIynIzzs?t=2m40s
>>139519901
that's not true, though zoomed out scenes look horrible indeed
even close up drawings looked horrible through the entire series as well.
>>139519853
hit is going to beat his ass
>Both Goku and Vegeta lose to Hit's special ki manipulating attacks
>Hit's unique attacks don't work on Monaka since he doesn't have enough ki or something
>The whole take away from this arc is that no matter how powerful you are, you need to learn how to be able to counter unique or special techniques
>Training now focuses on learning new techniques rather than just becoming stronger
It might be too good to be true, but I can dream.
>>139519976
what the fuck... is that progressive rock?
what the fuck did america do to the music
>>139520021
Yes but that was expected.
![[SOFCJ-Raws] Dragon Ball Super - 037 (THK 1280x720 x264 AAC).mp4_snapshot_12.05_[2016.04.02_23.03.15].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/iVVEu5e.jpg "[SOFCJ-Raws] Dragon Ball Super - 037 (THK 1280x720 x264 AAC).mp4_snapshot_12.05_[2016.04.02_23.03.15].jpg")
>>139519936
this one?
>>139520067
>not knowing hell's bells
You're a spic, aren't you?
>>139519976
>dub
yeah, no.
>>139520136
That's the one. Really liked it.
>>139519976
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzlX-g1raXs
>>139520252
Yeah that works too
>>139518279
More like Trunks was a cocky shit who didn't need training like that
>>139520252
You can prefer whatever ost you like as a whole, but:
Version with SSJ Vegeta theme > version without SSJ Vegeta theme
>>139520042
My guess is Goku will fight him in base/ non-SS(B) form.
>>139520359
>SSJ Vegeta theme
i dont like it at all, but i respect your opinionfaggot
>>139520182
Hey i watched it on TV when i was a kid in English, It was likely the first anime most Americans watched unless you got into Anime at an older age.
>>139520366
He'd be retarded if he did that.
>>139520683
Goku is retarded, but it makes sense if his ki can't be used against him this way.
>>139517982
>Vegetable is bleeding
I hate the fact he will lose, but at least he tried.
So what's this guy's deal?
>>139519267
Cabba is the eighth strongest being counting both universes
So no
>>139517621
Waiting to watch the episode with my friend tomorrow. Does the fight not end in this episode?
>>139521504
Some magic/psychic/dimension bullshit combined with 2kool4skool "nothing personal, kid" fighting style.
>>139520136
Saved
>>139521686
How would SSJ Cabba stack up against Mystic Gohan?
Speaking of Gohan, how strong is he now? He got some training done with Piccolo for however long that timespan was between arcs.
>>139521504
Think vados mentioned something about him to champa when he entered the arena. Dont know what exactly.
>>139521821
well that didnt take long.
>>139521802
Cabba would destroy Gohan
>>139521803
She said that she convinced him with the God Cube, which would allow Hit to move through universes and escape even from them. And that's supposedly dangerous because he's a legendary assassin
Is Goku going to pull another teansformation?
What was stronger by the way? blue or red?
Is Gohan going to save everyone asses?
>>139521916
I'll have to watch the episode to know.
I guess at this point it won't happen but I always thought Gohan would make the tournament somehow, with Vegeta wanting him on the team from the start and remarking he had the potential to be better than all of them, Buu failing and Gohan starting to train again. Guess not. Hopefully he regains some spotlight next Arc.
>>139521972
I hope that last one happens but I really doubt it.
As much as I love Gohan, that'd be a total asspull, unless Gohan is in Whis' staff or something. That'd be the only way Gohan got strong enough to beat Hit.
FRIENDLY REMINDER THAT THE TOURNAMENT IS ONLY A PRELUDIUM TO A BIGGER AND LONGER SAGA AND HIT IS NOT THE FINAL BOSS
>>139521972
Red doesn't need to breath and can regenerate, plus it has the energy canceller move.
>>139522144
Might be. Through Hit wanting the box thing to travel was interesting. The dude is probably bored of wrecking his own universe.
>>139521802
>How would SSJ Cabba stack up against Mystic Gohan?
Goku as a Super Saiyan right now is way stronger than he was as a Super Saiyan 3 in the Buu saga. Hell, he and Vegeta probably Buu Tier in base right now.
Super Saiyan Cabba would probably be strong enough to beat Gohan.
>>139522160
True. All that stuff never really got explained in the show though. You even see Beerus heal after he gets a cut on his face, and yet it is never mentioned.
>>139522226
Hopefully it's not that way for long. The prodigal Son needs to return (see what I did there?).
>>139522358
What about Goku being able to read minds?
>>139522140
Still he is the one who fucks Bulma
>>139522358
>All that stuff never really got explained in the show though.
Gods are broken. That's it.
>>139522455
High gravity pushups.
They got greenlight for another arc after u6.
Interns are animating super.
>>139522455
Goku being psychic was played off as a joke. Didn't Krillin ask him how he did that and Goku just ignored him?
>>139522519
Wait, wasn't 100+ episodes already confirmed?
Why would they need to greenlight another arc when they still haven't even reached 100 episodes yet?
>>139522519
>Interns are animating super.
Source
>>139522566
Its not a joke so much as a useless ability with almost no application, since it requires him to sit still and touch someone for a minute.
Two or three other people in the series can do the same thing, including Piccolo.
>>139522568
I meant to say they greenlit season by season. Don't let anybody tell you otherwise.
In the pitch they said every episode would be movie quality. See how well that turned out.......
It is doing okay but not like it should.
>>139522568
100 Episodes were confirmed, few day ago it was annouced Toei wanted more than 100 episodes
>>139522690
Top 10 anime airing every week, merch sales are better than Sentai's. Super's doing phenomenally in spite of the quality drop.
>>139519817
because they're not all good
>>139522611
Also the staff changes have to do with toriyama fighting with toei to have more control. Appearantly cussed toei staff out back in ep 5 and for some odd reason are doing everything in their power to keep toriyama away from the animation production. He wants better people, toei doesn't want to put that type of money into super to pay for better animators. He got shafted hard.
Pretty cure and onepiece are the moneymakers.
>>139522611
I-Is that good?
>>139522830
They are though.
>mfw everyone predicted how the tourney would play out
is frost dead or what
>>139521821
The art is great...too bad it's champa.
>>139522940
He's alive. He just gotHitby asmooth criminal.
So is Hit as powerful as a God of Destruction?
Because he clearly didn't break a sweat when fighting blue Vegeta.
So he must be as powerful as Beerus or Champa.
And if so, if he wanted the cube, why not just beat Champa and get the cube himself?
>>139522689
I only remember Goku using it. It was just a Toriyama-tier way of Goku getting caught up with what was happening on Namek.
Its a very small part of the series, but it's so Toriyama that I love it.
>>139520136
The lines are too thick.
>>139522940
Is not really that hard when you mention every outcome possible.
>>139523001
>>139521821
Still better than the actual anime.
>>139522788
Its because of the merch sales that keep super going. They are doing the bare minimal with the quality of the show to push merchandise because they feel db already has a name so they could push a shit quality show and push merch.
They screwed toriyama and told him what was going to do after he signed the contract.
He only owns the rights to the manga not the anime. Which is why he cant go anywhere. So every week you see a shit episode toei is mocking toriyama like " what are You gonna do about it? You can't go anywhere else"
He is really not happy with toei screwed him twice. Its because of new management recent shows from toei have been fucked. Toriko, saint seiya, sm crystal, one piece from time to time, list goes on. Dbs got hit the hardest.
>>139523034
Its like that time Goku shot eye lasers right before he buried Vegeta in Freiza saga. The higher power level you are, the more random powers you develop, and most of them are functionally useless in battle so they're quickly forgotten in favor of just punching.
I think Roshi can also do that mind-reading trick, but since it requires you to sit still, its pretty useless to Goku.
He probably forgot he could do it already.
>>139523033
Vados or Whis are literally broken at this point in the Dragon Ball universe
>>139523124
Yeah, Tori already spoke out about being pissed off about animation quality, so much so that it made him realize that he had begun to start to care about Dragon Ball again.
I wish Mad House would just throw money at Toei to buy the rights.
>>139523152
Goku just used his ki for a telekinetic-esqe attack. Kaioshin did the same thing against Buu, though it did no damage.
Freeza used his ki to throw a mountain at Goku, and Beerus beat Vegeta by just looking at him... three separate times. I guess they're just ki abilities.
Soo many gohanfags, let it go
>>139523124
Must be why he's gotten so involved with Toyble's take on the manga adaptation. He's apparently approving every storyboard Toyble does.
>>139523033
Maybe his technique doesn't work on Champa.
Even if it did, he'd have to fight Vados for the cube, and she is much stronger than Champa.
>>139523364
Hey now, I am a very reasonable Gohanfag.
It's obvious he will play a role later on in the series. The question is just whether or not he becomes as powerful as Goku and Vegeta. I don't think he'll surpass them, but it's possible he comes close.
There's already been evidence of Toriyama setting up Gohan for something big.
>>139523356
Dragonball characters are all psychics and shit like in other series. They just don't make a big deal about it because at this level, literally everyone can do it.
>>139523152
I read about a new attack on super ghostpage (got erased) where goku ssjb fights cert. He had an ability while in combat (spirit absorption) and adds to his fighting power while fighting and appearantly said shunkan idou wasn't useful because he could get to any point with raw speed by the time he locked on to a ki signature.
>>139523222
Is there a source on all this
>>139523222
Toei will never sell DB rights, never. They could buy Madhouse for all they care.
>>139523222
Toei wants that unreal money thats the problem. The current board only cares about merch sales. They need better board members who care about quality.
Just like with kai, everyone got their hopes up with that shiny opening animation. As soon as that episode came on quality went to instant shit and millions of japanese kids jumped off their nearest bridge.
>>139523652
What???
Were you not on /a/ for the 30 year anniversary of DB animation? Toriyama spoke out about Super during the anniversary.
>>139523684
But Kai is just the old animation touched up?
Kai looks totally fine to me.
>>139523684
Unlike Kai Super is extremely popular among Japanese kids. Top 10 every week it airs.
>>139523152
>Freiza saga
kys
>>139523825
Fuck yourself. It's the best saga.
>>139523779
Some people thought the entire series would be redone with new animation/art similar to the new intros.
>>139523407
Toyble is not the problem. More people are pleased with the manga. The only complaint is that it takes an entire month at a time for a new chapter with only 20 or so pages.
The anime is the problem. When you only animate 20 seconds of goku and vegitas training in the time chamber instead of displaying the ssb training.
Also failing to give us the flashback fight between bills vs champa that was in the manga.
I know the manga is only a promotional for the anime but damn toei cuts too many fucking corners.
We are gonna turn this action franchise into a still life project.
The story is no excuse though. He needs fresh minds and toyble should be more involved. Explaining if vegita ever went red and how he obtained god ki in the first place and how each went blue.
Also the super dragonballs are just sort of there at the moment. Every series introduces a new set.
I also read he wanted to make the action even more fast paced and impactful than opm (he commented on the quality). Toei doesn't care .
>>139523510
This. Pretty much.
>>139523993
I can see where people would want that, but honestly the old animation already had its own established character and feel.
No need to fix what ain't broken. Especially when Kai either took out the worst parts of animation or fixed it.
As a Vegetafag this episode pleased me. I don't care about Vegeta losing the next fight since he got more development in one episode than 90% of the DB cast since forever
>>139524093
I didn't say he was, I mentioned it might be why Toriyama seems to be the one checking through it. Because Toyble is a huge fanboy and it's a time Toriyama can have a more direct influence on Dragon Ball without forcing himself to make another weekly series (as good as Jaco was you can tell he wasn't really trying for another big project like Dr. Slump or Dragon Ball).
>>139519634
>>139519812
>>139524093
>Explaining if vegita ever went red and how he obtained god ki in the first place and how each went blue.
Dunno about that. I haven't read the manga yet but from what I saw here it's very sudden just like that. Goku went SSJ in one page and beat Freeza right after for example. SSJ3 also never really had an origin scene with them showing Goku discovering it or anything like that. So I don't think we're getting an explanation.
>>139523811
>>139523684
The 2009 Kai did very well ratings-wise and had high young viewership. It averaged over 9% and was always top 10. It just wasn't bringing the franchise additional sales.
>>139523779
It looks fine.
Im saying when it first aired (kai) when people saw the opening they were amazed and thought that would be the quality of the show (because toei company funded it) but we got another remastered dbz which failed to cut out some filler. People were in their feelings about it and lots were pissed.
From what i read the japanese fans were pissed.
>>139524290
I can almost SMELL the fujoshi stench from that picture.
>>139524236
Still haven't seen it. Really that good of an episode for Vegeta?
And what would be your list of best written characters?
Mine
1. Gohan (Saiyan-Cell Saga)
2. Future Trunks (History of Trunks included)
3. Vegeta
And then Piccolo, Bardock, and Future Gohan as honorable mentions..
Bulma could be up there, but my data is inconclusive, since I have not seen all of Dragon Ball.
>>139523470
What evidence? Im a gohanfag and I want hopes
>>139523993
It would of been nice. I wish they would do the first dragonball like saikyo e no michi or better quality.
So basic premise was just Vegeta trying to get Cabbe angry enough to go SS then one-shotting him with SSB? Hit being able to take him down is gonna be some stupid fuckery.
>>139524389
>Bulma could be up there, but my data is inconclusive, since I have not seen all of Dragon Ball.
Fix that. Immediately.
>>139524418
Path to Power is all the original Dragonball will ever get.
>>139523124
>Dbs got hit the hardest.
Nothing got hit harder than toriko. Not even two movies and a crossover with DBZ & one piece could save it when half of it was filler, & the other half was censored to hell & back.
>>139524294
Yeah but at least Goku explained SSJ3. Didn't he say he only achieved it because his body could go beyond its limits from being dead and all?
>>139524427
He wanted to teach Cabbe some pride. Cabbe begging Vegetasenpai to teach him SSJ pissed Vegeta off.
>>139524438
She has character development.
You don't have to like her.
Or do you mean I should finish watching DB?
>>139524427
Cabba asked Vegeta how to go super since he couldn't do it on his own when Vegeta told him to get serious. Vegeta said he'd beat him then blow up his planet and kill his family and race.
>>139524479
Finish watching Dragon Ball, nigga.
>>139524473
Yeah I only understood bits and pieces, Cabbe asking to be taught SSJ, Vegeta telling him to remember the anger he felt in that moment, and something about remembering Saiyan Pride.
>>139524242
Yeah he getting old. Word has it toyotaro will be head honcho and naho ooishi when toriyama retires fully.
Also they are very interested in an artist named Youngjiji.
>>139524502
>Vegeta said he'd beat him then blow up his planet and kill his family and race.
Damn, that's a bit much, but it worked I guess.
I know this isn't related to Dragon Ball Super, but I just watched the Garlick Jr movie and a thought just came to me.
What if Dragon Ball Z didn't try to go for the Saiyan and Freezer ideas, but it tried to stick with the mystic overtones? What if Goku stayed a human being, Piccolo stayed a demon, Kami-Sama a god, etc.? Would you be interested in watching something like that? Goku fighting demons and deities? Would something like that be as popular as the Dragon Ball Z we all know about?
>>139524441
Path to Power is fucking glorious and I'm slightly saddened we won't get a couple more movies that continue the story.
>>139524382Does it smell as bad as a waifufag room?
>>139524506
I will I will. I'll have plenty of time over summer.
Should I finish watching or just read the manga?
>>139524319
It wasn't meant to. It was meant to push remasterd kai dvd sales and more db merch along with getting the younger audience introduced to dbz (revive) and heroes came in 2010 to capitalise.
>>139524574
It would have ran out of steam sooner, but I'd probably love it.
>>139524356
>>139523684
I find that absolutely stupid since it was announced as a remaster and promos in the weeks before airing used the original animation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4gNFvNP_Ko
>>139524601
Probably my favorite of the movies.
>>139524615
Sometimes better. Usually as bad.
>>139520042
U7 is going to lose, I don't know why all of you are so afraid to accept this possibility.
>>139524441
If there was a series after gt written well and had beyond 4 it should be like saiyko e no michi and be flawless db story and action.
That ended the cycle of the gods.
And play the theme (choir singing) when goku transforms from his legendary journey. Lol this is all wishful thinking.
>>139524574
It would be closer to something like Yu Yu Hakusho then, and that was good so sure, why not. I'm not American though, so I don't know if it would still be popular there specifically, but I could see it getting popular in general.
>>139522226
There aren't any proofs of this, for fuck's sake. Piccolo being able to fight Frost wouldn't getting his ass destroyed in the first second is a proof of this. SSJ Cabba should be SSJ2 tier.
>>139522140
you are mistaking the horse kung fu stance with the girl stance, it's pretty hard to tell for a non-expert eye but trust me on this one kid
>>139524697
Damn. What a QT
>>139517621
Anyone else wondering who is the King of planet Sadara? Caba said it was someone strong like Vegeta.
>>139518279
>>139519083
Future Trunks is literally the best DB character so fuck off.
>>139524290
Holy shitto.
>>139524443
Well, from the scheduling chart its not hard to see why toriko failed. Toei had it aired when nobody would be home so it didnt even have a proper chance for the ratings.
They fucked it up and the last few episodes were awful........ And its been a pattern. The manga is good though.
I dont think toei realises if you put out garbage dont expect anything good in return.
You may have to spend more money but if it is good quality you will see more cash go to the merch you are trying to push.
>buu, my favourite character, is now a good guy
>he's comic relief and if he ever does fight he's guaranteed to job it
>>139524621
You can finish watching. DB is a solid watch all around.
>>139524953
>written out of the tournament because of a test
He didn't even have to win anything but at least let him fight.
>>139524621
In all honesty the anime does some better storytelling than the manga in a few cases. Especially the King Piccolo arc.
King Piccolo manga: Goku gets his ass beaten, Korin literally hands him a powerup, King Piccolo's takeover has no consequence, Tien's training with the Mafuba is useless because he cracked the jar.
King Piccolo anime: Goku has to earn the Ultra Divine Water through a test of resolve and pureness of heart, Tien actually almost traps King Piccolo with the Mafuba only for Drum to save his father at the last minute, Piccolo's announcement actually shows law breaking down on Earth, Eighter and Suno make an appearance. Hell, Suno's so distraught over the destruction King Piccolo is causing she picks up a dead soldier's rifle and tries to shoot the green fucker in the head, only for another soldier to save her life by drawing Piccolo's attention away from her.
Red Ribbon arc is generally better in the anime too, it makes them seem like more of a threat. And the true filler episodes totally fit in with the early Dragon Ball style, even the early appearances of Tien and Chiaotzu.
The manga clearly goes faster, but the anime actually fleshes shit out. Dragon Ball's filler is leagues better than Z's.
>>139524953
Beerus, Buu and Gotenks will never have a series fight ever again.
>>139524559
That was the point.
>>139524906
FUTURE Trunks is second best character.
Not current Trunks.
>>139524840
Goku as a SSJ is SSG tier, he literally fought Beerus while being a SSJ. He powered up since then so of course his SSJ is also stronger.
Why do people forget this?
>>139525002
>Toei didn't animate Beerus and Champa's flashback fight
Still salty. At least Heroes recognizes it.
>>139524445
They had a clip its hard to find when goku actually went ssj3 in otherworld while training with pikuhan and grand kaio.
Grand kaio reverted to a younger version of himself and beat goku ssj2 to a pulp. Goku went ssj3 when he broke out of a gravity spell that grand kaio put him under and destroyed the temple and moon that was nearby. Been looking for years. It was from a japanese game show
>>139524953
Why would Buu of all people be your favorite? Really?
>>139525054
>second
Who is first
>Inb4 manlet
No
>>139519423
You should know that the BDs are out of the first 2 arcs. Also that they're REALLY different from the movie. And don't be surprised when you see universes being destroyed or something because that's the powerlevel we're at now
>>139524601
I love that little dance Yamcha does at the 14 second mark.
>>139525073
Because that's not how it works anon. Goku absorbed the God ki for the time being after he lost the God mode, but probably lost it after the fight. That was the whole point of gaining SSJB: to regain the power.
>>139523470
He's been a throw-away character since the start of the Buu saga. I honestly expect Gohan's training to be treated like it didn't happen after the tournament arc.
>>139524574
They could of done it with saiyajins. They would have to be gods of reality or going off in the cosmic realm later on.
Majic and ki are a bitch so before that you could have really strong demons and demigods wrecking everything but keep the humans up there with special means.
>>139525073
>Why do people forget this?
Because that was before he learned to control his god ki and before he discovered Super Cyan. Super Cyan is SSJ + God Ki. Normal SSJ is just SSJ with normal ki.
What happened to the animation team that worked on Battle of Gods and Resurrection F? Aren't they working on Super?
>>139524953
I never got why Buu would job. He's above Cell, has INSANE regeneration and a bunch of instant win moves like engulfing people.
>>139524670
It did but even japanese fans misinterpreted it as a remake. They were probably preoccupied with other anime.
Who do you think moans the sexiest when fucking, Bulma, ChiChi, Videl or 18?
>>139525279
People think that budget + animation team = quality. Animation team is important (obviously) but proper scheduling is more important than budget. The animation teams do not have time.
>>139525129
I mean, my favorite is Ginyu.
>>139525220
That was literally never said. Nice headcanon though.
>>139525252
Same as above.
You're just using your headcanon and saying things but that doesn't mean they're true.
Meanwhile in the series SSJ Goku fought Beerus.
And SSB was said by Goku to surpass God when he fought Frieza.
>>139525279
Not with the salary that was being offered. They're probably working on much better funded anime.
>>139525279
One Piece probably.
>>139525220
>That was the whole point of gaining SSJB: to regain the power.
Nope, Goku says SSJB is stronger than SSJG. And the rest of things you said are never mentioned or hinted in the series.
>>139525320
Videl. She's the most innocent.
>>139525320
Bulma is a whore so yeah.
>>139525190
I'm admittedly a Gohanfag. His character writing in early to mid DBZ is the best in Dragon Ball. Vegeta is third.
>>139525222
He'll be a main part of the story again anon. You'll see. The MC? No. Highly doubtful. But he'll be up there with Goku and Vegeta.
1. Gohan was the main focus of three whole episodes while getting his ass beat. Why? Well anon, Gohan is a Shinji/Gon character. All their character development comes through pain. There's a reason why they accentuated Gohan's beatdown during the Golden Freeza arc.
2. Vegeta says when talking about members of the U7 team, and I quote, "What about Gohan? To be honest he has the most latent potential out of all of us."
3. Gohan began training again as a result of #1 and blamed himself for what happened.
4. Gohan NOT being at the tournament is honestly a bigger indicator that they're setting up a part of the plot for him than if he were St the tournament. I mean he wasn't even there to send them off when they left for the tournament. Don't you think that's at least a little suspicious?
>>139523033
Vados>Whis>Beerus>Champa>Hit and Monaka>>Goku and Vegeta.
>>139525082
Heroes understands the fanboys... Lol.
Not too long from now heroes will bring ssj5 and it will have red hair similar to gogeta 4. Fans will be like WTF no white hair lol. Sike but i dont count anything out after ssjred and blue.
>>139525344
You kinda of have to infer when they don't explain much in super.
>>139525385
That was never said either. Especially when SSJG has a healing factor.
>>139525466
Nah. Super SaiyanGreenand Time BreakerArale.
>>139525338
Lol. Well, I do like Ginyu and his dance of joy.
>>139525464
Whis said that she was stronger than him 1000 years ago though. I don't see why Whis would overestimate himself or underestimate his sister so i'm not sure about she being stronger
>>139525466
Please stop posting like that.
>>139523470
Give up man. You'll only suffer more later.
>>139525524
>That was never said either
Except when Goku fucking says it
>I'm going to show you a power that surpasses god
>>139524356
What about the music plagerism?
>>139525279
Mainly interns working on super with minimal guidance from key animators who dont have time to babysit them.
The more talented people were broken up and put on multiple different projects. All but super. The only reason they rotated staff is because of toriyama and still got the short end of the stick because toei rushed him once again.
They are better off going on hiatus after this arc and working in that period to stay ahead so shit can look better.
Problem is they know it has to compete with AOT season 2, OPM season 2, One Piece, and whatever else big shows are showing.
>>139525608
>Implying Mystic God form Gohan isn't going to rek everyone.
You'll see. You'll fucking see.
>>139523470
>I don't think he'll surpass them, but it's possible he comes close.
He always does, why do people try to pretend now that Toriyama ever gave a shit about Goku or Vegeta being
>Muh OC strongest donut steel xD they can't be beaten and they're the best and they're awesome
Gohan always becomes way stronger than them.
>>139525344
>You're just using your headcanon
I'm using what the show has showed, sherlock. Goku and Vegeta don't want to use all their power, that's why they are using normal SSJ, but according to you Frost must be near Golden Frieza because SSJ Goku fought against Beerus when he still didn't know a shit about god ki. And said Frost near Golden Frieza tier fought the Piccolo that couldn't fight against an opponent a SSJ Gohan was able to defeat.
SSJ is now SSJ2 tier.
>>139525462
I want to believe, but I just don't have a reason to. Especially since the manga nonchalantly wrote him out of the story.
>>139525462
>. Gohan NOT being at the tournament is honestly a bigger indicator that they're setting up a part of the plot for him than if he were St the tournament.
He isn't there because U7 is going to lose and Earth is going to be switched to U6.
>>139525659
Lol the fans didn't mind the music thing. It helped the show desu.
>>139525779
Desu.
>>139525683
Even if he does it wont stay that way. In the series they are bound to 1 up each other here and there but in the end goku will be the strongest one.
Its just nice to see vegita get some shine
>>139525548
what the fuck
>>139525220
Except First Form Frieza was more powerful than Tagoma who was equal to Mystic Gohan. And Frieza gets a 220 times boost from his first to his 4th form. Base Goku was more powerful than that form.
Which means even if he didn't get to God levels, he still got a massive massive boost.
Blue is also more powerful than Red anyway. And the God Ki still powered him up, just not to Red levels at base.
>>139523928
>Freeza
>Fryza
>Arcs
>Sagas
why is magetta so hot
>>139525721
Frost is stronger than Final Form Frieza who was on par with base Goku in RoF, meanwhile Assault Frost was on par with Goku here.
He's way weaker than Golden though.
> And said Frost near Golden Frieza tier fought the Piccolo that couldn't fight against an opponent a SSJ Gohan was able to defeat.
SSJ is now SSJ2 tier.
Frost was incredibly tired after fighting Goku(they even mentioned in the beginning how it would be hard fighting one after another) and Piccolo trained before this tournament, he also used a strategy.
Do I need to remind you that first form Frieza was said to be worlds above everyone and that base Cabe IN THIS FUCKING EPISODE was equals(Vegeta himself said so) to base mode Vegeta?
Just admit that you want to downplay other characters so that they're not on muh Goku level.
>>139524574
If they went full Sun Wukong and had Goku go visit the gods and raise so much hell that they all try to kill him, it would probably be the greatest thing of all time
>>139525870
Dont count it out lol. Anything is possible in heroes cuz its a non canon WHAT IF universe
>>139525838
>In the series they are bound to 1 up each other here and there but in the end goku will be the strongest one.
Just like in DB where Gohan could single handedly solo Goku and Vegeta with his dick right? I mean he was toying with Super Buu and Goku was scared shitless and said they didn't stand a chance.
>>139525886
His eyes remind me of the R&C robots that had lightbulbs for eyes.
>>139519646
Also watch 21-22, it gives better insight on Gohan being a bitch
>>139525565
I'm pretty sure he said soemthing along the lines he might be stronger now
>>139525920
Goku is already stronger than Supreme Kai.
>>139525838
>>139525929
He is right. Toriyama said Gohan was strongest at the end of Z.
>>139522140
my thoughts exactly
>>139525964
Exactly, she says she's stronger and he says something about a long time passing and that he's stronger now.
>>139525920
I think you will be in for a suprise in the future. You know toriyama is a big fan of monkey king its bound to happen watch.
Db can have so many spinoffs some serious some comica. Some good some shitty.
>>139525967
Everyone is. Supreme pussy was scared of Pui Pui.
>>139525967
read the post that one is responding to
>>139525755
The anime had the same scene only they expanded on it. The manga cuts a lot out anon.
>>139525774
But see? That's still plot set up for Gohan.
>>139525779
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/features/kenji-yamamoto-retrospective/
>>139525920
>If they went full Sun Wukong and had Goku go visit the gods and raise so much hell that they all try to kill him, it would probably be the greatest thing of all time
I doubt it, honestly Wukong is really different from Goku. Goku doesn't give a shit if people look down on him but Wukong was kind of a dick and had a serious rage issues.
>>139525873
Where do you get he was equal to Mystic Gohan? Gohan was wayyyyy fucking weaker at the time of the fight, and only a SSJ1
>>139525929
Hmm in the last episode with uub i doubt that held true anymore.
Gohan may have been stronger than goku 3 but i dont think he would beat goku 3.
At the end though i think goku got way stronger than he was when he defeated kid buu by the time you see uub.
>>139525755
Manga is not canon and it's rushed, anime is. Manga is more of a preview, or was because it's behind the anime now I think.
>>139526067
Gohan himself says Tagoma was equals to his peak.
>>139526023
Visit the gods mean visit the Kais, you fool. They are the gods that oversee everything. The gods of destruction are different. They're more like devils.
>>139525973
Yeah but it means shit when you dont use it.
I read the half breeds reach their potential faster but the full breeds have more room for growth.
>>139525890
>Frost is stronger than Final Form Frieza who was on par with base Goku in RoF
Except that's wrong, Piccolo can't be near God Ki base Goku AND think for a fucking second Frost always use tricks to win, he can't be that strong. U6 Saiyans are way stronger than U7's in base form because of evolution, they gained more base power when they lost their tail, still they should be around rockie SSJ tier, so when they gained SSJ they become SSJ2 tier.
Same shit with Gohan, he lost his ability to use Mystic/Ultimate, but he gained more base power so his SSJ is SSJ2, that's why Piccolo, who after all of his training never was able to surpass the power of a SSJ2, lost to Tagoma but he was able to fight Frost because Frost is between Imperfect Cell and Perfect Cell.
>>139526133
[citation needed]
>>139526133
His peak as a SSJ maybe? Gohan beats him in two hits as a SSJ, so idk.
Mystic Gohan would have best the fuck out of base Freeza. Probably not Final Form.
>>139526172
>I read the half breeds reach their potential faster but the full breeds have more room for growth.
Post source or stop believing fanfictions. Because at this point Toriyama has said hybrids are stronger than full Saiyans.
>>139526194
Watch the anime fuckface.
>>139526214
That was Ginyu though.
>>139526194
Not him, but when everyone was fighting Tagoma Gohan said he was equal to him. I think that's episode 26.
>>139525464
Whis is stronger at this point
>>139526240
Nope everything of old has ben retconned.
That episode was so great. The animation keeps improving, and Vegeta teaching Cabbe was really nice.
This powerlevel nonsense was over after they introduced god ki. There are several inconsistencies that cite this like Master Roshi being able to fight Raditz-tier frieza soldiers, etc.
