Vol 3.
TV: Left
BD: Right
>JJ Abrams directs an episode of monogatari
>>139348994
Wow anon, it's fucking nothing.
Was just going to watch this finally, should I wait for the BD?
>>139349029
BUT WHY?
>>139349029
What the fuck
>>139349167
Left is better
>>139349176
>>139349210
Welcome to SHAFT BDs, enjoy your stay.
>>139349071
It wasn't obvious while it was airing, but the TV version apparently has a bunch of QUALITY. Might as well wait for the BDs.
>>139349167
Spooky Ougi looks less smoogy.
>>139349029
has anyone at Shaft ever explained why and how these changes happen
>>139349093
They are always altering his hair length, like they decide its too long once they do the BD's.
>>139349253
Much better.
>>139349303
>Araragi becomes a 10-foot-tall giant
>>139349303
no matter what they do he's always going to be a manlet
>>139349346
Everyone got taller, actually. And the smoke got more concentrated.
>>139349093
>>139349253
BDs take a few pounds off huh
>>139349303
Wait, did they actually made it less detailed in the BD as compared to the TV?
>>139349457
seriously, are they trying to get people into seizure or something
>>139349481
you have no idea
>>139349481
Wouldn't be the first time
>>139349544
Oddly, they cleaned up the original seizure scene in Ougi Formula.
>>139349545
>lying on the internet
>>139349546
God damn it this always stops me from watching shaft shows. TV isn't as crazy but suffers from quality issues.Bd always has ridiculous changes that still suffer from quality.
>>139349029
I'M MAD
>>139349029
thats not how light works what the fuck
>>139349669
>God damn it this always stops me from watching shaft shows.
They almost always fix egregious QUALITY in the BD releases. There are plenty of questionable artistic changes but that doesn't matter if you hadn't seen the TV release.
>>139349093
I knew mechararagi looked a little strange in this, turns out he was just missing a button
>>139349224
Face is better, but head is egg shaped.
>>139349877
That one was really improved. No idea why they added that dishwasher though.
>>139348994
Lots of changes compared to Ougi Formula and Sodachi Riddle.
>>139350070
>family guy
I fucking love these threads
>>139350070
>>>/b/
>>139349798
>what is bounce light
>>139350070
You cared enough to read and post in the thread.
>>139350232
:3
What was she so angry about?
>>139350232
>left: happy
>right: smug as fuck
Goes to show what mouth shape can do.
>>139350299
why
>>139350211
>tfw your despair transcends reality
>>139350232
>TV version
what is that huge-ass eyelid line?
>>139350211
Holy shit
When then acid kicks in too soon
>>139350334
Could be said for most of the changes Shaft made, really. Absolutely unnecessary
>>139350299
ENHANCE
>>139350411
slightly better armpit and side boob?
>>139350411
Doesn't look as angry.
Whats the point of changes in bd if you're not including nudity?
These are all good changes. I'm happy with this.
>>139350452
Much better.
>>139350460
It's probably the ribbon in the shorts they forgot.
>>139350530
what
>>139350460
They fixed her head tilt and eyes
>>139350452
>>139350411
>>139350211
>Shaft
>All these triangles and rectangles
Literally Critical thinking: The studio
How do other studios even compete?
![[Raws] Koyomimonogatari - 09 (APP 960x540 x264 AAC).mp4_snapshot_04.13_[2016.03.05_13.13.53].png](https://i.imgur.com/B9yMswy.png "[Raws] Koyomimonogatari - 09 (APP 960x540 x264 AAC).mp4_snapshot_04.13_[2016.03.05_13.13.53].png")
Oh baby. Pointless edit time.
>>139350584
I prefer the TV one, mostly because side mouth makes it worse in screenshots.
>>139350475
Because people are prone to making errors when they're drawing characters for an episode that airs three weeks later?
>>139350584
>shadows removed
Sasuga SHAFT.
>>139349307
I understood the changes in Koi. I felt so fucking smart then. Everything before and since has been nonsense though.
>>139350530
here we go
>>139350642
are these change just so some newemployees have something to do and if they fuck up you just dont include it in the bd
>>139350530
Okay.
>>139350665
I really need to pay more attention when watching Monogatari
>>139350583
They changed a shot from the present for one in the flashback while she was talking about then.
>>139350642
I'm not even a batfag but this picture is too much.
>>139350772
>>139350834
I prefer left desu
>>139350584
Well, it's an improvement over Math looking like Lanky Kong.
>>139350665
>>139350772
Much better and her breasts are now more pronounced.
Anyone want some video comparisons of the entire season of Bake? There's quite a few differences in some of the lazier TV episodes.
>>139350901
No.
>>139350113
dark/light balance, senpai
>>139350901
Sure, I'd like to see all the live-action shots
>>139350889
>HorribleSubs
>>139350901
Yes
>>139350901
Most Bake scenes were completely remade like Nadeko Snake
>>139350901
Maybe
>>139351009
And this is why Shaft can't do two shows at once
>>139350943
did they redraw it and forgot to add the shadows?
>>139351126
yes
>>139351009
Were the episodes storyboarded like that, or did they just not have enough time to finish everything?
>>139351176
Yes.
![[gg]_Zan_Sayonara_Zetsubou_sensei_-_10_[16A00748].mkv_snapshot_10.04_[2013.10.22_23.59.10].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/AaRrkFS.jpg "[gg]_Zan_Sayonara_Zetsubou_sensei_-_10_[16A00748].mkv_snapshot_10.04_[2013.10.22_23.59.10].jpg")
>>139351100
They did 2 shows and 2 lots of OVA that season
>>139351089
F L A T A E S T H E T I C S
![[gg]_Zan_Sayonara_Zetsubou_sensei_-_10_[16A00748].mkv_snapshot_10.04_[2013.10.22_23.58.58].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kEPTBil.jpg "[gg]_Zan_Sayonara_Zetsubou_sensei_-_10_[16A00748].mkv_snapshot_10.04_[2013.10.22_23.58.58].jpg")
>>139351213
Are all the Owari BDs out now then?
![[Commie] Owarimonogatari - 05 [C794E8C0].mkv_snapshot_20.28_[2016.02.25_00.21.41].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/WwWfItr.jpg "[Commie] Owarimonogatari - 05 [C794E8C0].mkv_snapshot_20.28_[2016.02.25_00.21.41].jpg")
Would you save her from her despair?
>>139349629
>redraw scenes
>ignore lighting and shadows
>>139351260
This thread is a comparison for the most recent one, so no.
>>139351282
Yes, no matter how many study groups and math problems it takes.
>>139351260
>>139351307
No, this it's up to BD3, there are 4 BDs out at the moment, there's just 1 BD more
I couldn't find raws so I use bloagirls's BD release
>>139351292
Will anybody ever stop Shinbo?
>>139351282
I'm not so sure how to do that
>>139351363
Did Bloatgirls release the commentary too?
>>139351363
left face is great though
>>139351453
They always do, never with subs
>>139351467
This one had some discussion if Araragi was a vampire.
Hey, those animators gonna at least have a few more yen in their pockets.
>>139348994
>>139349457
>>139349607
But seriously.
>>139351598
I kind of like left better but no big deal
>>139351598
WHAT?
Shaft, adding detail in a BD edit? Are the end times finally upon us?
>>139350943
how the fuck do you mess up this badly
>>139351698
For what purpose
>>139351692
I'm guessing whoever was doing that structure couldn't finish in time. Anyone know what it's based on, by the way?
![[Raws] Koyomimonogatari - 09 (APP 960x540 x264 AAC).mp4_snapshot_02.41_[2016.03.05_13.17.26].png](https://i.imgur.com/k70QjEZ.jpg "[Raws] Koyomimonogatari - 09 (APP 960x540 x264 AAC).mp4_snapshot_02.41_[2016.03.05_13.17.26].png")
>>139351758
Remove color.
I don't get why you guys always ask why they change things. Isn't it obvious they change them because they think it looks better that way?
>>139351819
We're not asking why they change things. We're questioning their tastes in what is "better."
>>139351819
If 10% of the viewers are the only ones that are gonna notice more than half the changes, then sure.
>>139351247
103 days to go.
>>139351877
Deep.
did they improve her feet
>>139351698
S T Y L E
>>139352034
The symbolism is truly mind-blowing.
>>139352226
No, I checked first thing after downloading. It's a very fast scene though.
What's the point of doing this? SHAFT "fixing" shit that doesn't need fixing while leaving actual QUALITY and sloppy frames intact.
what if nips polished their shows BEFORE they air and maybe make a better impression and sell more bds
>>139352311
Because the average show has a lead time of like six weeks.
last one
>>139352311
What about ignoring shit that doesn't need to be polished and focusing on bettering themselves?
>>139352396
thanks
>>139350901
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLp3KYtTFG9U3_noBnmG07U4dXjtYD264P
>>139352311
Most Japanese studios are always behind schedule, specially SHAFT.
>>139352396
Thanks. Shaft at least put some effort in the BD version of one of the best arcs of the franchise if you also include the new OP.
>>139352396
dat collarbone
>>139352268
one FUCKING job shaft.
![Koyomimonogatari_12.ts_snapshot_11.41_[2016.03.26_15.20.59].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/naTuE7X.jpg "Koyomimonogatari_12.ts_snapshot_11.41_[2016.03.26_15.20.59].jpg")
>>139349545
I will still ask why even though no one knows the answer.
>>139352841
not all detail is created equal
>>139352892
More like they should stop dicking around with shit that ain't broke.
>SHAFT BD Changes
Always good for a laugh.
>>139350848
>I'm not even a batfag
You're missing out.
>>139353211
>>139353211
But seriously, who wouldn't want a girl that turns "we need to talk" into "let's joke about donuts, oh and by the way we discussed our relationship and current dire situation at the same time."
>>139353417
faggots, I presume.
>>139349346
he's way taller than ougi
>>139353404
>>139353499
am i gonna go to jail for watching these?
>>139348994
"No more Porygon seizures!"
-Japan
>>139353560
Maybe. But it will be worth it.
>>139353560
Only if you're a Britbong or Canadian.
>>139353560
Only if you're from a backwards country that cares more about the rights of cartoon characters than the rights of people.
>>139353560
if you live in australia yes
>>139353631
>filename
>>139353682
you're meant to watch the webm not read filenames
>>139353725
>>139351409
I can't be the only one who couldn't focus at all on this scene trying to get a nipple peek on Sodachi
>>139353800
nipples dont exist in monogatari universe
>>139353800
No, Araragi did as well.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTDPa0jUwAAl-6G.jpg
>>139353830
>>139354001
>>139353830
Again with the filename.
>>139349798
Yes it is. Your lousy OpenGL 1.0 light equations is how light doesn't work.
>>139349029
someone post the desk
>>139354039
This screencap's funnier than it should be.
>>139353560
Yeah, I'm posting from jail right now. They put me in here for looking at webms of a loli vampire, don't ruin your life anon, save yourself
>>139354309
I hope you went down for the good shit and not some cheap knockoff.
>>139354433
>>139354487
>>139354559
>>139354606
>>139351877
This one is actually pretty cool.
>>139352034
I don't mind these changes actually. It goes from pretty normal scenery to one that "tries" to emulate stuff we used to get from Nise and Bake.
>>139351363
Did you invert this one?
>>139355013
The left one was the TV version.
>>139351363
You have other shots of Sodachi? One thing I find interesting is how she's meant to look more "plump" and rounded compared to the TV broadcast.
>>139352091
>>139352173
>>139352229
>>139352034
To be fair, some of the TV ones here are either too simple or the perspective looks fucked up. Still trivial stuff but I guess they tried.
>>139355134
she looks exactly the same in that part
>>139354967
Yeah, the solid color / simple gradient utility poles and power lines are a staple of the series at this point.
>>139355424
Not really? I'm talking about the face and how the rounded it out instead of leaving her features sharp. You'd have to be blind not to notice that. Similar to how they trimmed some "fat" off Araragi here >>139349093
>>139349253 and made him sharper, in contrast, it seems like they wanted Sodachi to look more rounded in her features by comparison.
The OST is out on nyaa as well.
>>139350039
It's better than polygon head.
>>139355819
>that face
She looks like someone whispered dirty things in her earno doubt from Araragi I'd think.
>>139355905
she looks like shinobu after finding out someone ate the last donut
>>139355905
It wouldn't be weird considering she is the purest and most innocent monogatari.
>>139355763
With Sodachi I think they were mostly correcting the asymmetry of her eyes, which look like they're at different horizontal and vertical positions on her face. Not sure why they made her mouth smaller and jawline sharper though.
With Araragi, it's more about being on-model than being actually skinnier.
>>139356054
>>139356054
Doujins of Math acting shocked and hesitant from being awkwardly talked into sex by Araragi through logic when.
>>139356149
Doujins of Math when, in general? There's so much untapped potential.
>>139356197
like toddler math drinking from the breast of her dead mother
>>139354214
>OpenGL 1.0
Nice insult m8
Was this part on the TV version? I don't remember it.
>>139356149
I'm not even expecting any doujin, much less an in-character cleverly written doujin.
>>139352273
you have to be kidding me, is left de bd version? are you sure?
>>139356282
Left is TV. What are you on about, anon?
By now is it fair to say Monogatari is on par with NGE, and Shaft is on par with Anno?
>>139356366
Not even a slight against you but literally in what way?
>>139356403
Artistic vision
>>139356366
Too inconsistent, and why are you comparing a studio to a director?
Maybe if Oishi proves himself through Kizu and another work or two, he could be considered Anno-tier. But Itamura took way too long to find his own style (he still hasn't found it, really). At the end of the day Monogatari is an adaptation and not an original, so it's hard to compare.
>>139356601
Isnt anno a one hit wonder.
>>139356197
>There's so much untapped potential.
This.
>>139356242
Don't kill my hopes and dreams now anon.
>>139356642
Guess it depends on how you feel about Nadia, Gunbuster, and the rebuilds.
>>139349545
Left is TV in this right? Right?
>>139349029
DEEP SYMBOLISM
>>139351292
Why are the episode numbers different?
>>139356863
My guess is that the scene is noticeably more detailed than the preceding and following scenes, causing it to stick out. But instead of adding more detail to the surrounding scenes they simplified this one.
>>139356961
That scene was surrounded by detailed close ups. To me it doesn't make that much of a difference when you view it all together but it's still baffling.
>>139356948
TV and BD, Monogatari Second season started with Neko Shiro, that makes 5 episodes then 1 of recap, if I wanted to get to episode 3 of Kabuki that makes it episode 9 of second season
Second season BDs were released per arc
>>139356197
>Monogatari doujins
>wanting Monogatari doujins
>>139349546
>>139351009
Are these kinds of drastic changes an industry wide thing that I'm just learning about or pretty much Shaft-exclusive?
>>139357129
>not reading bloody okojo doujins for smut combined with a deep understanding of the characters
It's true that most Monogatari doujins are trainwrecks though.
>>139355819
The OST is nice, although some of Sodachi themes are kind of weird, and the Riddle ones the best.
>>139357254
Some shows look so bad during their TV airing that things have to completely redrawn for the BDs, like Twintails. Shaft shows don't look perfect either, but some of the changes they seem to be for fun as well.
>>139357333
That, and Monogatari is one of the few shows where the fanservice cannot be topped by actual porn.
>>139357358
God, just imagine how great the passionate hatesex would be.
>>139357458
Best one I could remember that came pretty close to matching the show was Hitagi Frog by Yukimi and that was a long time ago (practically since Bake).
>>139357544
It would be nice if Sodachi gets extra angry thinking it's just pity sex at the middle. But it's one of the cases I'd like for it to become vanilla at the end.
>>139357333
Bloody Okojo has a pretty shit understanding of Shinobu.
>>139357750
how so?
OST is fucking amazing.
So how many people prefer BDs>TV at this point?
>>139357809
Bloody Okojo seems to have a thing for catching Shinobu/Kiss-Shot off guard or vulnerable and exaggerates to the point of being ridiculous.
is shaft based by having dumb fun with this or did they force their staff to change a certain amount without overlooking whether it actually needed or not before they could go back home?
>>139358014
like when gahara catches her going for a donut? I wouldn't say that's offensively out-of-character, especially when the show charisma breaks her all the time.
>>139358008
Some individual shots are better, but I reallt wish someone with massive autism could come through and merge only the better shots into the TV copies for a best release version.
>>139358297
It is though. Shinobu isn't going to be intimidated by a human. She's might crack when she can't pretend to keep her vampire pride, but she's not going to start crying in a straight staring contest though.
