What happened after End of Evangelion? Did Shinji and Asuka eventually died of hunger?
The whole world turned into LCL, which is highly nutritious. It's primordial ooze
Shinji was already alone for a very, very long period of time before Asuka appeared. Eva pilots don't age.
>>139260654
>Eva pilots don't age.
[Citation Needed]
I still don't understand the end of that movie
>>139261231
The Rebuild series flat-out says it, it was a fan theory long before Rebuild as well and was probably part of the original series continuity.
>>139261671
Rei combines all human souls together, shinji and asuka reject it and return to their physical form.
Any other questions?
>>139261829
>The Rebuild series flat-out says it
>Rebuild
>>139260654
Did Shinji and Asuka eat so much soylent LCL they mutated into Lilith and Adam, beginning the cycle anew? Because Lilith is way hotter in the rebuild.
>>139261888
*Lilith/Adam/+ Rei
Gendo also is inside Yui in the EVA. It's easy to miss and largely implied though.
>>139262907
He's not. Yui rejects him and casts him into oblivion.
>>139261888
>>139261888
but why they reject it while the rest didn't, is it because they were eva pilots?
>>139262947
No she doesn't. She just bites his head off. It's a really weird way to induct someone into LCL. But he canonically entered pre instrumentality.
There is nothing to suggest there is any sort of "oblivion" concept in EVA. Not only that, but Yui would have absolutely no reason to do so, since she thinks 3rd Impact is saving humanity, and 3rd Impact would be impossible without him.
The only theory I have as to why she does it like that is that it's how a praying mantis devours it's mate, symbolizing how Yui wore the pants all along. Also Gendo fucked a bunch of girls while she was in the EVA, usually not too far from the EVA itself. So she left his dick behind.
>>139263094
Anyone can return to their physical selves if they want it, it is explained during the end of the movie.
I guess the fact that only Shinji and Asuka do it is a critique on human conformity.
>>139263094
Nobody can say for sure. I believe that Shinji and Asuka could do it because they had previous experience with the LCL. Since it took a few months for Asuka to appear after Shinji did, and Asuka had a lower sync rate, AND when Shinji was trapped in the entry plug before (when his sync rate reached 400%) it took him around 1 month to escape. Timelines match up, so it's probably something unique to pilots (although fucking Toji should be able to appear, but Anno didn't plan on him even being alive, since he was supposed to die in the original script)
>>139263382
>I guess the fact that only Shinji and Asuka do it is a critique on human conformity.
All the symbolism and metaphors ended when 3rd impact did, it returned to the same format as the first half of the movie.
>>139262847
Yui's soul is inside Eva-01 (now a god-like being) at the end of EoE. She probably felt bad that Shinji never found happiness and reset reality for Rebuild.
It's literally the ending in the manga, though Shinji is the one who initiates it.
>>139263289
This shit is retarded and unsupported. Gendo apologizes and Yui scolds him for treating Shinji like shit.
He wasn't included in Instrumentality because he's literally the only dead body in the movie that you see remain un-LCL'd
>>139260089
They became the new adam and eve
also anyone who realizes they're living in a false paradise within lcl and chooses to accept realities harshness can become human again.
As for their survival I'm guessing the impact only tanged people and caused a tornado/earthquake around the epicenter,if they start searching they could find some food around in the wreckage of stores and such
>>139263501
The manga's ending is more that Earth got "restarted" and not "reset". Everyone returned to primordial ooze and then life began from the ground up once again. The manga also shows that not only people in the present had their souls collected, but in the past too. So it's a complete new game+.
Weird though because evolution of man doesn't make sense in Evangelion's universe.
>>139263555
>Unit-01 bites off Gendo's head, inducting him into Pre-Instrumentality
From the wiki.
What you said makes 0 sense and is against the entire lore, theme, and plot.
It's impossible to stop Lilith/Adam from deconstructing an AT field when 3rd impact was activated. Yui took him herself. That's the significance. The violent means are for your interpretation, but he definitely was taken by someone.
Evangelion threads = endless arguments over symbolism
Which is good.
>>139263820
>"All humans have the right to be happy..."
>(Deleted Scene) "Except my husband, Gendo Ikari, from Tokyo-3 Japan. He fucked a mother and her daughter and a bunch of clones of me while I was trying to save humanity in a robot. Fuck him."
>>139263945
It's what /a/ should have more of. Civil discussion and intepretations of events.
>>139263945
NGE itself was an absolute trainwreck of consistency. Then you have faggots who think that every pixel of EoE was deliberate and meaningful.
This is why nobody discusses the manga because it's so vastly superior at getting it's point across.
>>139264005
I've gotten goosebumps because we made it to 23 posts talking about the end of EoE without shipperfags taking a dump all over the thread.
>>139263680
>Weird though because evolution of man doesn't make sense in Evangelion's universe.
It makes antisense, less than none. Humans are simultaneously evolved and also designed, just them in particular out of terrestrial life, to be nearly identical to aliens separated from them by billions of years and generations and made of wave-particle matter.
>>139266039
Humans (lilin) supposedly came from Lilith. Which is why they have AT fields whereas plants and animals do not. Plants and animals evolved but humans didn't (couldn't have)..but then what is human history and where did it start??? ??
ARGGH I'm getting a headache even thinking about it. Anno would probably give and explanation like "Haruhi is god" or something too.
>>139263971
yui and shinji
who is pilot and who is robot
>>139261231
3.0?
>>139266595
deep
>>139266595
no yui and rei
who is pilot and who is robot
>>139266644
no gendo and fuyutsuki
who is cuck and who is cuckee
>>139266595
>>139266644
but what if humans were the robots all along?
>>139266788
Who are piloting the pilots? Smaller pilots?
>>139263289
It's clearly implied even though his plan succeeded Yui ultimately rejected him for being such a dick. She killed him so he couldn't be a part of the super Rei. Notice his lower half never turns into LCL.
>>139263820
No, she doesn't induct him into shit, I think it's clear you have to be alive (or fused with an Eva unit) to be included into instrumentality, Yui kills him so they can't after all be reunited.
>>139266778
wouldn't cuckee mean the same as cuck?
cuck already means "one who is cucked"
>>139266824
Skeletons
but who pilots the skeletons?
Ourselves
>>139264080
>This is why nobody discusses the manga because it's so vastly superior at getting it's point across.
No one discusses the manga because Sadamoto couldn't figure out how to end it, so he got lazy and had Shinji initiate Instrumentality for no fucking reason, completely undercutting the new and interesting twists he was putting on the story.
>>139263945
I think it really says something about the series (and not just that it has shitty writing) when 20 years after it came out there isn't a consensus about what it exactly means.
>>139266869
How is it clear? It's not. His lower half doesn't turn because your soul isn't in your penis. Why would Yui single out Gendo, who did everything she wanted him to do? There are plenty of child raping cannibals in the world and they all went into the sea.
If Yui wanted to reject him she would've just walked away. He became part of her. She consumed him so they'd always be together. It's animalistic really. I'd say the eating scene was a form of fanservice if we're being honest.
>>139266961YOU are that brain, the rest is just an organic robot
>>139266824
Hedgehogs, obviously. Weren't you paying attention?
>>139266948
Cuckee is the one who cucks. Or the bull I guess.
>>139266932
Okay except you're completely wrong since Misato was blown in half and inducted.
>>139267016
But what pilots the brain?
>>139266968
>No one discusses the manga because Sadamoto couldn't figure out how to end it
I'm pretty sure he didn't have total creative control over the ending, especially since it ended in the year 3.33 came out.
>>139266961
This lil nig
>>139266869
>>139263289
I took it that since he had his world closed off even though he was joined with the rest of the world he was seperated mentally and left to live in his own nightmare for eternity
>>139267069
That would be the "cucker" (no such word)
An employee is one who is employed
A payee is one who gets paid
A "cuckee" would be one who gets cucked
>>139267135
>implying
The only direct link to Rebuild that Sadamoto included was his own idea. He stuck Mari in the epilogue because he was so proud of his kawaii creation.
(Mari was mostly Sadamoto's idea)
When did Asuka die? Did she ever die? What was the signifigance of Shinji choking Asuka during the scene in their apartment?
>>139267190
Where do people come up with the idea of SOUL HELL ABYSS in NGE? It's completely against the message of the show. That even a faggot like Shinji deserves infinite chances to be happy.
>>139267074
I don't know, it's pretty hard to separate who exactly are real people that were tang'd and who are versions of them that exist in each person's perfect world.
>>139267234
She died when the Mass Production Evangelions tore Unit 2 apart. She was at such a high sync rate that whatever they did to the Eva happened to her, so she was killed pretty much instantly.
Still, she somehow comes back to life, probably because her soul was claimed by a ghost Rei just before her death, as happened to Ritsuko and Misato- Asuka's soul being claimed just wasn't shown onscreen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dsrsV6jwF4
>>139267263
because Shinji was miserable in the LCL and then got the speech that it was because he thought everyone felt the same but in the end closed himself off that he suffered inside the tang.
Gendo was the same as Shinji except in the end Gendo never moved forward leaving him in his own living hell which is being hated and rejected by Yui
>>139267226
Just saying, the fact it coincides with a movie year is no coincidence. If Anno has a grand scheme after all, the manga ending could very well be necessary to the puzzle. It wouldn't make sense if time loops were confirmed in 4.0 and the manga ending didn't end with 3rd impact. Also 3rd Impact happens for as little a reason in the anime too.
>>139267305
I honestly hadn't ever someone say they understood she died. I took it as her being horribly mutilated but still alive, that's the reason she's all bandaged up in the ending.
>>139267317
>Gendo was the same as Shinji except in the end Gendo never moved forward leaving him in his own living hell which is being hated and rejected by Yui
Literally making things up. Yui says something along the lines of "you just never tried to be loved" and then eats him. Cannibalism is the truest form of love.
>>139260089
>What happened after End of Evangelion? Did Shinji and Asuka eventually died of hunger?
>not realizing Shinji never left the orb angel and hallucinated the rest of the series.
>3rd impact happens and the entire world is destroyed
>Shinji only survives because he is in the angel.
>>139267317
>>139267396
But Gendo WAS the same as Shinji, they were both afraid of getting close to others, except he protected himself by being a cunt and a shitty person, shinji did so by crying and running away.
>>139260089
Shinji resets the world.
Hence rebuild Evagelion 1.0
>>139267385
Doesn't NERV control say that she's dead? I think Maya does?
>>139267305
So the claiming of the soul is inferred because Rei showed up just before they died? Rei was also present looking down on all the soldiers Seele sent in as they died, did all of their souls get 'claimed' too?
>>139267305
>Asuka's soul being claimed just wasn't shown onscreen.
If they showed it onscreen otaku would've thrown themselves off bridges.
>>139267482
Maya just looks away and vomits, they never actually state she's dead.
>>139267515
Might as well be filenames kun with a post like that and conflating the anime and manga continuities.
>>139267459
Everyone in Evangelion was afraid of getting close to others.
Where did Rei go at the end?
>>139267488
Literally everyone except Gendo gets claimed it seems. That's why the bodies of the dead soldiers and NERV staff also turned to TANG.
>>139267515
Still mad about that because the logical thing would've been to show her mother. Sadamoto even established that precedent with the other change he made- Rei taking on the shape of Kaiji's dead teenage friends to claim his soul.
>>139267555
Rei is omnipotent and can be everywhere at all times. It's why a ghostly Rei shows up in the very first episode of NGE- she's watching over Shinji in the past present and future.
>>139267544
>been posting manga caps entire thread
>post a manga cap that interferes with their shipperfaggotry
>now they have a problem
>>139267570
Kaji was so based he got 5 Rei clones.
Gendo only got 3 + Yui.
>>139267608
I should rewatch this.
>>139267608
At that point she's not even Rei but the unholy fusion of Lilith and Adam. Rei's personality was just adopted as a catalyst for conversing with Shinji I guess.
>>139267555
Rei is dead.
>>139261829
>>139266599
>when his sources are non-canon sources
>hahahahahahahaha
And Dumbledore is gay and Hermione black right?
>>139267661
>Gendo only got 3 + Yui.
Only in the manga.
In EoE he just gets eaten by an apparition of Unit 01 while Yui and Reis 1, 2, and 3 look on.
>>139267732
She's gone. But on my hand, and in my eva, she lives on as a part of me.
>>139267730
It's pretty clear the Rei/Lilith personality is dominant, given that it only used Kaworu image to manipulate Shinji into letting his guard (and AT field down) and Kaworu/Adam speaks just once during Instrumentality itself.
>Gendo was included in instrumentality because it would go against the themes of the show if he wasn't!
Gendo's entire existence goes against the themes of the fucking show. He's a representation of what Shinji would have become if he had chosen to stay closed off and emotionally distant.
>>139267822
Shinji also learns to love himself, while Gendo continues hating himself to the very end
>>139267116
the penis
>>139267570
>logical thing would've been to show her mother
There was some really weird stuff happening in Asuka's mind around Kaji. Even in the original, she mentally equated Kaji('s death) with her mother('s death) after she tried to die.
He was like a mom that she wanted to fuck.
>>139263289
Remember that the Eva01 already ate an angel to incorporate it into its body.
>>139267949
>He was like a mom that she wanted to fuck.
Yeah, that's called Daddy issues. Remember how her father abandons her mother after she loses her mind, and Asuka internalizes that he's abandoned her too?
Why did the mass production evas commit sudoku?
>>139267015
She hurt her son, for a mother literally there isn't something worse you can do.
>>139267822
What show were you watching? Gendo is a representation of a man named Gendo Ikari who is the father of Shinji Ikari and was an edgy guy until Yui saved him and he wanted to bring her back to life.
It seriously does go against the themes of the show. Gendo's existence is in line with the themes of the show. Shinji's resolution is the moral of the show. The fact that everyone can achieve happiness if they would only try is the main thing.
There would never be a plot point where the guy's wife goes "nah you had too many tries" and removes him from existence. Especially when his crimes are less than Seele's (who all went into instrumentality)
>>139268041
>She hurt her son
I know you meant "he" but that was a pretty good Freudian slip since it's all Yui's fault.
>>139267190
What? So people without legs can't be instrumented? When did the lower part of your body become so important for melting souls?
>>139261829
>The Rebuild series flat-out says it
When?
>>139268111
Seriously, stop posting the manga to talk about the show continuity. Manga Gendo is different because he actually comes to terms with loving Shinji, instead of just using his failure to connect with Shinji to justify his desire for oblivion and death at the hands of a phantom Unit 01.
He never says those things to Shinji, and even before then Gendo is kinder to Shinji than he ever is in the show.
>>139268017
I would like to be Asuka's daddy.
>>139268203
>>139268111
*He never says those things to Shinji in the anime
>>139268227
Let me just say that as I get closer to 30 I become more open to this pairing
The risks inherent in having the same waifu for 14 years- you just keep getting older, but they stay the same!
>>139268203
I just posted that picture because it's cool and I didn't want to make another post.
But seriously, there's nothing that even states the concept of "oblivion" exists. Phantom Unit 01 is Yui and Yui is consuming his soul before Lilith/Adam can take it. They'd have just left him there if he was supposed to be damned.
His fate is unknown but there's nothing to suggest he's in some kind of true death. Just that his waifu ate him.
>People ignoring that when Evas eat shit it becomes part of their body saying that since an Eva ate him he was rejected by it.
I see how you get 20 years of dicussion, you just ignore the source material.
>>139268317
I feel you completely dude. Hopefully Evafags will make more doujin of the two of them as they get older. The only ones we have now are literally Kaji hate propaganda where he rapes her under orders from NERV etc etc.
>>139268436
>Anons think you reject food by eating it
Must be why there are so many fatasses in this thread.
>>139268441
Or just age everyone instead of Curse of Eva bullshit on the pilots
>>139268503
>Or just age everyone instead of Curse of Eva bullshit on the pilots
Are you sure you want this Anon? This is how we get things like Anima...
>>139268441
Reminder that instead of NGE:Zero we got Rebuild.
>>139268594
prequels are almost always bad ideas
almost
>>139268664
>Original NGE fans are adults now
>Huge gap of lore with two of the title sequence characters
>Could make a mature series with adult relationships and themes now that they have the money to not rely on a broadcaster
>nope
>lets make a random moe remake
Don't see how much of a worse idea you can get with rebuild
>>139268503
I don't know man, bitter Christmas cake trapped in the body of a 14 year old is pretty hot to me
![[Bloat]_The_End_of_Evangelion_[A854019B].mkv_snapshot_01.09.42_[2016.01.24_04.17.53].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/g1aG6Ok.jpg "[Bloat]_The_End_of_Evangelion_[A854019B].mkv_snapshot_01.09.42_[2016.01.24_04.17.53].jpg")
>>139268354
>there's nothing that even states the concept of "oblivion" exists. Phantom Unit 01 is Yui and Yui is consuming his soul before Lilith/Adam can take it. They'd have just left him there if he was supposed to be damned.
Yeah, it's not like they show him outside of Instrumentality, untanged or anything.
>>139268540
>when you get older your face remains the same but your breasts get bigger
This is what happens when you draw based on anime instead of real things
>>139268792
You didn't address what you just greentexted at all?
Obviously he's outside instrumentality, because he's floating around with Yui.
>>139268852
If he were floating around with Yui, he would've been tanged. That picture shows he clearly is not tanged.
>>139268843
That's why I like 3.33
Maybe they were just trying to make Asuka look tired and bitter, but something about her face seems older in 3.33
I just can't put my finger on it
>>139268866
>If he were floating around with Yui, he would've been tanged
Why? He'd be inside the EVA's LCL protected by it's AT field. Why would Lilith/Adam bother tanging his dick and legs?
>>139267613
>implying I'm a shipper
Just die.
>>139268949
For the same reason that it tanged Misato even though she was ripped in half in an explosion. If you're entering Instrumentality, your entire body gets tanged. That's a hard fact we get from every character in the show. Even dead people enter and leave Tang behind.
Gendo doesn't, so he doesn't make it in.
>>139268948
Probably because they put deep lines under her eyes in nearly every shot
They definitely look like frown lines or crowsfeet
>>139269038
Yes, because he's with Yui. As to why she didn't take his legs, I can't say, but Lilith/Adam can't collect the soul of what is essentially medical waste at that point. His soul is already one with Yui's.
>>139268201
Not him but "curse of Eva" is probably what he means. Probably something to do with constant exposure to LCL halting aging; they probably DO age, just not while constantly exposed to LCL.
>>139268441
I hope you get shot personally. Good thing I won't be hitting 30 as a crusty urchin and let that dictate my tolerance for crackshipping shit. Fucking terrible. I hate shippers. How would you even know the plot of that doujinshi if you didn't read it? Proves right there you're disingeuous. You're no fellow Asukafag you're just looking to get off. Puerile trash.
>>139269104
That's pure fanwank on your part. You have nothing to prove that she takes him with her. The dialogue suggests that she refuses him, her actions are a punishment for him, and it's clear that even he believes he is being punished. For Gendo, who's entire goal this whole series is to reunite with Yui, punishment would not be "Get to spend eternity with Yui." Punishment would be denial from Yui, from Instrumentality.
>>139269127
Mari is like 50 years old. Apparently LCL ages you back to 14 too, since she is older in that extra chapter.
What happened to the saabisu Misato promised in 3.0?
>>139269061
She also has a bigger jaw making her look less like a child.
Come on, we all know that an adult face is a teen body is hotter than a teen face in an adult body.
>>139269171
>The dialogue suggests that she refuses him
No?
>it's clear that even he believes he is being punished
Getting bit in half hurts, yes?
It's fanwank to say anything about getting some kind of oblivion true death.
EVAs absorb things they eat, and Yui ate Gendo. What don't you comprehend?
>>139269171
Except that Evas eat to incorporate, not for the lulz.
>>139269127
1. So it doesn't "outright" say it. Only implies it.
2. That is an interesting theory I suppose. So LCL keeps you from your body aging because it's basically primordial soup? So you could just use LCL as the Elixir of Life potentially?
>>139268792
It's not as if he now had feet when his body sort of lost them.
>>139269134
Asuka can only be happy with good men. So either those 2 blokes in NERV HQ, a Misato-less Kaji, or Kaworu who didn't see Shinji first.
You're not even an Asukafag. Get lost.
>>139269305
With bait like this I wish I could dox and beat your head into a pulp. Go off yourself you aging, shambling retard.
>>139269382
Your vocabulary is like, not even mouth-breather tier. It's like the tier of that device that people with lung cancer put in their neck.
>>139269305
>mad because he called you the fuck out on that doujin or likely just baiting
This is why we can't have nice threads.
>>139269251
>>139269268
And you're forgetting that what eats Gendo isn't the real Eva 01. He isn't incorporated into anything.
>No?
Yes.
>Getting bit in half hurts, yes?
You're retarded if you think a little bit of pain is "gendo's retribution."
>It's fanwank to say anything about getting some kind of oblivion true death.
Just repeating back fanwank doesn't form an argument.
>>139269427
Nice adhom you buttflustered fuck. Don't mind if I do the same. Take a bath with a toaster.
I only liked girlfriend of steel m
>>139269570
Doesn't Asuka win the GoS Shinjibowl after the Mary Sue original character cucks him and runs off?
>>139269453
>you're forgetting that what eats Gendo isn't the real Eva 01.
Do you even symbolism? If you're taking things so literally how bout you explain to me how a phantom can bite someone in half?
That's Unit01(Yui)'s AT field. AT fields are an extension of the self. That IS Unit01.
>Gendo: I've waited so long for this moment to arrive. I will finally be with you again, Yui. When Shinji is near me, all I ever do is cause him pain. I thought it was better when I did nothing at all.
>Yui: Were you afraid of Shinji?
>Gendo: I didn't believe that anyone could love me. I never deserved to be loved.
>Kaworu: So, you were running away. And you rejected the others around you, so there was no chance that you would ever be hurt.
>Yui: And you were terrified by the invisible bonds that people form.
>Rei: You were afraid and so you closed off your heart.
>[Gendo is being held by Eva Unit-1]
>Gendo: And so, this is my retribution. Forgive me, Shinji.
>[Unit-1 bites Gendo in half]
How does that imply he's dead forever? Gendo doesn't know what the fuck is going on. Everyone was scared of being tanged too. Gendo would be no different.
>>139269732
>>139269799
>stickers with Shinji, Kaij, Aoba, and Hyuga
Wow, what a slut
>>139269453
>"gendo's retribution."
That was sarcasm. It's like "Wow I get to fuck my robot wife in space forever? THIS is my retribution? Lol sry shinsuke, I mean shinji."
>>139269799
I wish Asuka could show off pictures if her and I together.
Why even live, really? Just let me die.
>>139270085
Of, even.
>>139269799
Judging by the pattern, and Shinji's reaction, Rei's is an eropuri of her blowing Kaji.
Eva manga is fucking gay
>>139270085
that's why rei isn't showing hers in that pic
because it is -i- who is with her having a fond memorydefinitely not gendo fuck you goddamnit i hate everything
>>139269758
>m-muh symbolism
You're desperate to apply a rule that you don't even know exists based on the one time an Eva has eaten something - by the way, does this mean Asuka is now a part of the harpies? - and you're applying it to a phantom just because it looks like Eva 01.
Frankly, all you need to do is consider 3 points.
1. Gendo believes he is being punished
2. Gendo's main goal is to reunite with Yui
3. Gendo is not tanged like everyone else.
1 and 2 show that Gendo is not taken in with Yui to spend eternity, because that would not be a punishment. Gendo's resolve would be that, even if he had to be eaten alive, he would be okay with that if the end goal was staying with Yui forever. Clearly, he isn't getting that.
3 shows that he is left out of the party, leaving him to rot.
>>139270312
At least I really enjoyed both GoS having self-inserted to all hell. I'm no shipper though. Fuck our current reality.
>>139270336
Your theory disregards the rules of the universe that the show set forward. Also your analogy makes even less sense.
If a harpy bit Asuka in half, then yeah, I'd say she is.
No matter what Gendo's reaction is, that doesn't overrule any and all other existing points of canon.
The biggest hole in that is that Yui, LITERALLY HAS NO REASON to punish Gendo for doing exactly what she predicted.
Know what's cool? The scene where Shinji is strangling Asuka is connected to the director's cut scene where he tells her Kaji is dead and gets slapped.
Shinji strangles her for that shit in his fantasy.
>>139270469
>Your theory disregards the rules of the universe that the show set forward.
You're trying to apply a rule that you don't know is a rule to something that only looks like what the rule may or may not apply to. You have no ground here.
>No matter what Gendo's reaction is, that doesn't overrule any and all other existing points of canon.
You're claiming canon as if there's any proof he's in Instrumentality in the first place, going against the dailogue of the movie itself to assume he's taken into Eva 01 with Yui. You're the one ignoring what's happening in the movie for your own fanwank.
>Yui, LITERALLY HAS NO REASON to punish Gendo for doing exactly what she predicted.
Oh yeah, the old "Yui is a mastermind and predicted every single event that would ever happen in the whole series" theory. What a great, retarded theory.
Gendo hurt Shinji and others, isolating himself to focus on gaining an eternity with Yui, and Yui wanted none of that, so she punished him for it.
>>139270336
>You're desperate to apply a rule that you don't even know exists based on the one time
And an angel touching Lilith doesn't cause third impact either. Because it didn't happen twice!
>>139270695
>"Yui is a mastermind and predicted every single event that would ever happen in the whole series" theory
>theory
confirmed for less than 5 rewatches.
>>139270786
You're absolutely retarded if you think she predicted every single thing that ever happened.
>>139270695
I'm not claiming canon I'm claiming theory you tard. You're the one claiming canon, because ultimately we don't know Gendo's fate (at least in the anime).
>>139270336
>1. Gendo believes he is being punished
where in the dialogue does he say so? his retribution is instrumentality, curing the issues that affect him and his son.
>>139270825
>I'm not claiming canon I'm claiming theory you tard.
So you admit to fanwank, cool. We're done here.
>>139270815
She got 3rd impact started and let Shinji, the child born between her and Gendo's love decide the future of humanity. That's all that matters. She didn't predict it, she was actively enabling it to happen through the EVA.
>>139270845
>Retribution: punishment inflicted on someone as vengeance for a wrong or criminal act.
>>139270893
Which is a very different thing from "Yui planned everything that ever happens in the series." Just because she had a plan does not mean she isn't happy with how things were handled.
>>139270850
What are you like 12? Go take your "keyboard smashing" and post it on another "eyeballgasm"
>>139270960
>Wah, why do you disrupt my fanwanking! Why can't you let me believe whatever I want!
>>139270956
Yui says "everyone has the right to be happy" several times. Don't you think that's hypocritical if it's actually "Everyone (except my husband) has the right to be happy."? It would invalidate the whole movie.
>>139270999
Can you answer please? Genuinely curious why you can't.
>>139271045
Answer what? If I'm 12? No, I'm not.
>>139271061
Why you can't let people believe theories that contradict your own?
>>139270586
It's more directly linked to the scene where they kiss. They even reuse the animation of Asuka getting in Shinji's face.
What's more interesting is that in every scene where Asuka is flirting with Shinji while they're home alone, she's wearing one of Misato's shirts.
>>139271089
If you can't handle people contesting your own theories you don't deserve to hold them. If that's too much for you, you need to get off the internet.
>>139271014
Someone who does not try to better themselves will never be happy. Gendo never tried, and so he will never be happy.
>>139271102
Kaji practice.
I can't believe people think these scenes are genuinely romantic and not a girl wanting to act older because the dude she likes ain't into loli.
>>139271164
>Someone who does not try to better themselves will never be happy.
So shouldn't there be like 1000000 other people not being tanged?
>>139267172
ayy lmao
>>139271166
>Asuka
>loli save for flashbacks
Lurk more before exposing yourself as a retard.
>>139271127
>If you can't handle people contesting your own theories you don't deserve to hold them
>>139271226
>Lolicon: Noun. (usually uncountable, plural lolicons) (uncountable, anime) The sexual attraction to young girls. (countable, anime) An individual fixated on young, generally prepubescent, girls.
>>139269251
Gendo doesn't get to be with Yui. He doesn't get to be with anyone. He gets exiled from the rest of humanity, his body isn't turned into LCL which is the proof that someone has joined instrumentality and his dialogue is one step short of explicitly stating that he doesn't get to be part of instrumentality.
I mean if you want to make up some fan canon in your head about Gendo getting a happy ending, fine. But the movie is very clear that his punishment for being a dick is getting rejected by the person he wanted to be reunited with so badly.
>>139271166
>Kaji practice.
I think that's what Asuka tells herself to reason kissing a loser like Shinji, but I think deep down she likes him.
Not loves, but likes. He is after all the only guy that's a pilot and therefore the only boy her age "worthy" of her time and attention.
>>139271200
Instrumentality isn't just some big therapy machine; it's ego death and virtually the same as suicide.
Furthermore, nobody has a choice in whether they're taken in or not. Gendo gets treated differently based on his relationship with those involved in it.
![[Bloat]_The_End_of_Evangelion_[A854019B].mkv_snapshot_01.12.48_[2013.12.19_23.18.28].png](https://i.imgur.com/Fi42Lhv.png "[Bloat]_The_End_of_Evangelion_[A854019B].mkv_snapshot_01.12.48_[2013.12.19_23.18.28].png")
>>139271290
>An individual fixated on young, generally prepubescent, girls.
>Asuka
>prepubescent
>>139271252
>I can't respond, better call him a fedora!
Right, so again, we're done here.
>>139271291
>rejected by the person he wanted to be reunited with so badly.
He was literally the opposite of rejected. He was reunited with her in the most carnal way possible.
>>139271337
Missed the world generally retard.
>>139271316
>Gendo gets treated differently based on his relationship with those involved in it.
Then it wouldn't be "everyone has the right to be happy"
>>139271370
Remember that's not the real Eva that's biting him. The real Eva 01 is floating above the planet at that point. The Eva that bits him is a manifestation of Rei, like all the other Rei's who turn people to goop. Except that it didn't goop him, it simply killed him and left his corpse. That's rejection. If Rei comes for you during instrumentality and doesn't goop you then your soul simply disappears.
>>139271448
You don't get to be f you never improve yourself.
>>139271407
Yeah, well it's "generally" accepted that she isn't a loli, newfag.
>>139271337
Asuka is 13 until EoE.
>ITT End of Evangelion is such hot garbage that we can't agree on the actual events 20 years later
Kimochi warui
>>139271545
Actually she's 13 until Dec 4th. And thirteen year olds aren't lolis.
>>139271164
>Gendo never tried
>He dedicated all his life to his purpose and overpowered all odds to mutate humanity to be happy
>but ne hever really tried
>>139271597
Gendo never tried to better himself, and you can't be happy if your entire happiness is dependent on others. This is a point made clear in the show itself.
>>139271469
>If Rei comes for you during instrumentality and doesn't goop you then your soul simply disappears.
Said no one.
There isn't enough information to draw a conclusion. But Yui took the form of Unit 01, and bit into Gendo. That's all that happened.
>>139271640
Shinji didn't either until the end. Gendo thought only Yui could make him happy, and was at peace with himself when she took him. He apologized for what he had done to Shinji. His plans were foiled, but he was reunited with her in the end. Just the form it took was rather horrific.
>>139271546
If the manga had been made first we'd all call NGE a garbage butchered adaptation.
>>139271741
>Shinji didn't either until the end.
Which is why he has to be shown why that's wrong.
> but he was reunited with her in the end.
He got to see her again, but that's it. Their meeting was him being criticized while he accepted that criticism because he recognizes he fucked up. He is then punished by not being able to attain that happiness he was seeking because basing your entire happiness on other people is not good.
>>139271676
Doesn't that mean Yui and Gendo combined? At least unless Yui is some kind of soul eating lovecraftian horror that banishes you to the shadow realm. If their AT fields merged than they're the same person.
>>139271833
>He is then punished by not being able to attain that happiness he was seeking because basing your entire happiness on other people is not good.
The entire point of the show is not punishing people for fucking up. If anything he'd just be given another chance to obtain it.
>>139271640
You don't have time to overthrow a multinational company with more money than most nations AND make fun memories and learn to love again. it was either getting there or dealing with life.
>>139271916
Gendo proves himself unable to improve himself, and so is punished. There are points of no return.
>>139271946
And he had to do bad things while doing it. For that, he is punished.
>>139271806
Gendo doesn't LCL in the manga but is still with Yui floating around in the end too??? ?? ?
>>139271948
>There are points of no return.
Are you listening to me? That's the opposite of the show's theme.
>>139272034
The show's theme is not that you always get a second chance.
>>139267737
Makes sense, only a fag wouldn't fuck bitches with all the power he had
>>139272009
From what I can deduce
Soul =/= LCL
Actually, that makes a lot of sense.
I mean this clearly isn't LCL going into her handpussy.
>>139272054
It's not a major theme but the last act of the show is the main character undoing killing everyone. The idea that one can always make themselves better, no matter what, is most certainly there.
>>139268017
I thought her father was a sperm donor
>>139272206
in the mango
>>139272121
You're reading into it wrong, then. Gendo is clearly presented as a Shinji who cannot love himself, and thus cannot attain happiness.
And again, being accepted into Instrumentality would not be attaining happiness either; that would be akin to suicide.
>>139267570
>the logical thing would've been to show her mother
I thought you were tanged by the one you loved romantically?
Otherwise characters like Maya and Hyuga would be seeing their parents as well.
>>139272092
So LCL is just the base, indistinguishable and homogeneous. The souls go inside of and form their own bodies from the LCL.
Not sure how that fits into the significance of Gendo's body staying behind in both the manga and anime, but it's interesting.
>>139272253
He's not a Shinji who can't love himself, he's a Shinji who doesn't love himself and builds his entire life around that fact. He could have attained happiness if he let go of Yui, loved his son and accepted the world as it was, but he didn't.
Also I'm not the anon you were arguing with before, I think the scene is ambiguous and that you could read it either way.
>>139272253
>Gendo is clearly presented as a Shinji who cannot love himself
He's really not though. Sure he has some aspects and similarities to Shinji, but so do the rest of the cast. If they wanted to portray it with a direct duality they would've cast Gendo's EoE scenes immediately inbetween and next to Shinji's.
>>139272342
>He could have attained happiness if he let go of Yui, loved his son and accepted the world as it was, but he didn't.
And he proved he was unable to do so, and was punished for it.
>>139272259
I wonder if Ritsuko saw Gendo. Wouldn't that be some shit if the man who just shot you comes up and gives you a hug.
>>139272367
>Gendo: I didn't believe that anyone could love me. I never deserved to be loved.
>Kaworu: So, you were running away. And you rejected the others around you, so there was no chance that you would ever be hurt.
>Yui: And you were terrified by the invisible bonds that people form.
>Rei: You were afraid and so you closed off your heart.
Exactly the issues that Shinji dealt with, but Gendo never sought to fix them.
How's the mango?
>>139272418
I'm pretty sure she just saw Rei like Aoba, or else we would have seen otherwise.
>>139272379
>And he proved he was unable to do so, and was punished for it.
Which is a perfectly reasonable way to read the scene. I think you could also say that Yui took pity on him and decided to make him a part of her, but I think there's probably more support for the former.
>>139272379
>And he proved he was unable to do so, and was punished for it.
Why would anyone be punished for that? All the characters had unresolved issues and failed at various things. Why would Yui be punishing him for not getting over her completely random robotification?
>>139272454
Okay.
>>139272467
Because he hurt others - namely her son - in the process.
>>139270286
Please tell me that's not Kaoru and Shinji kissing.
>>139272431
>Exactly the issues that Shinji dealt with
*Everyone in the entire show.
>>139272496
And Gendo is shown as the person in the show who refuses to solve those issues, while others try to go about it in their own, different ways.
>>139272483
She hurt her son too.
>>139272527
Only through her absence. Gendo directly hurt him by distancing himself from him, forcing him to do terrible things like attack Touji, and showing him virtually no love.
>>139272523
Pretty sure trying to become god is his "own, different way"
But that still makes him even more different from Shinji, making your point mute.
>>139272566
>literally wasn't there
>but you were there, and didn't do a perfect job. Fuck you
>>139272566
>abandoners vs abusers
Any "punishment" Yui hands out to Gendo is thickly layered and coated in hypocrisy
I think you guys are guilty of trying to place a linear plot to NGE, when it was more an exercise in catharsis.
The story isn't important. What comes after isn't important. It's an anime and I don't think Anno cared for mythology so much, or it would have been meaningful. The only meaning was in how the characters interacted, and what you took away (or rather, what emotions he was able to exorcise) by the ending.
There is no after. There is no repeat. Ending on hope is the only logical conclusion.
>>139272523
He tries to become god to be with his loved one. Compared to that shinji runs away, azuke pretends to be mature, misako gets drunk, rei doesn't see herself as a human being, ritsuko keeps a sick codependent relationship with the corpse of her mom. Gendo is the only character actively trying to be happy.
>>139272574
Gendo doesn't try to better himself, he seeks only to reunite with Yui. He focuses his entire happiness on gaining that happiness from others.
He is far more similar to Shinji than anyone else, and provides us an example of a Shinji who does not get over his issues.
>>139272598
>>139272613
It's not about doing a perfect job, it's about actively hurting your child. Yui sought to make the world better for Shinji to live in, but Gendo does far more to damage him and completely separates himself from him.
>>139272566
Being a human test subject for something never tested with high chances of killing you is a bit different than moving away. She never cared too much about being with her son.
>>139272653
Gendo's entire happiness relies on a person who is dead. Gendo refuses to find happiness within himself.
>>139272616
>There is no after. There is no repeat
>>139272669
>actively separates
>instead of passively separating yourself
Let me show you the difference
>I can't be with you right now son
>..... (Continue ad infinitum)
Guess which is which?
>>139272669
>Yui sought to make the world better for Shinji to live in
Yui sought to have Shinji make the world better for himself to live in.
>>139272730
That's not what happens and you know it. Gendo is cold and shows Shinji no love. Take the scene where Shinji goes to get in an Elevator while Gendo's in it and they just stare at it until it closes. Gendo refuses to connect with his son, and as a result hurts him.
>>139272701
Gendo might have tried to find happiness with Ritsuko at some point, until the tools for becoming god fell into his lap. His silent worlds were likely "Truly, I need you".
But I mean, plenty of the cast dwelt on the dead. Asuka's was her mother until Kaji, Kaji died and she tried to end her life. I think Gendo did a better job at being a person than she did.
>>139272801
And his mother literally isn't there. At least Gendo exists, small comfort but comfort nonetheless.
>>139272669
Actually Gendo is really similar to anno, I think that's the character that he projected himself into. He's an adult, a man. He's supposed to know what to do. He commands his son. This is a stereotypical japanese father from the time perid. It's just a character. Shows the role of a man like what the rest of the characters in eva shows. The entire series is just a study on life, and all the characters are archetypes to try to get the message that no matter how shitty it is, life still goes on. That's what the entire original series was about. The remakes are more about trying to get the man children of japan to grow up, but anno is just a pretentious prick and can't do anything right.
>>139272832
>His silent worlds were likely "Truly, I need you".
Which doesn't mean he was finding happiness in her at all. He needed her to push his plans forward.
>>139272855
And likewise, his mother never actively hurts him.
>>139272801
He was always jealous of Shinji for stealing Yui from him. Honestly give them a couple years after all the angel shit is dealt with, see if they can patch things up.
>>139269732
Shinji goes away believing that in Asuka's end. The real scene was an N2 mine was coming, Shinji could survive if he got in the Eva but wouldn't go without Mana, so she acted to make him leave.
The best part is Asuka might realize this while she's demanding Shinji throw away his keepsake of Mana.
>>139272883
Because she DOESN'T EXIST. She passively hurts him every second with her nonexistence.
>>139272883
>Which doesn't mean he was finding happiness in her at all. He needed her to push his plans forward.
His plans were already completed though. It's clear he cared for the women in his life, he just cared for Yui more.
>>139272707
In any other medium, these would simply be considered allusions and throwbacks, a wink and and a nod to the audience.
Only in a show where people are desperate for meaning so they can make their tvtropes article longer would people be so desperate to find depth to the plot while ignoring what actually made the series great.
>>139267172
ok what is this?
>>139272897
>He was always jealous of Shinji for stealing Yui from him.
Yeah, because his entire happiness was based on Yui, which is a bad thing.
>>139272862
>He's an adult, a man. He's supposed to know what to do. He commands his son.
That's incredibly shallow. Shinji clearly has the issues Anno was dealing with the most. Everyone had a part of it, but Shinji is far more similar.
>>139272942
Maybe some of those. But not the Kaworu lines.
>>139260089
One of the guys that worked on the show and the movie - now he works at trigger - drew this picture. Which looks like they ended up on a very good and promising note for the future.
>>139272952
>which is a bad thing
Nobody found happiness in themselves. Everyone did it through proxy or not at all.
>>139272917
She does exist and she clearly does still love him and help him.
Gendo does exist and he clearly is afraid of and hurts Shinji.
>>139272928
Which is why he NEEDED her.
>>139272990
Stop posting your shipperfag fanwank evageeks picture.
>>139272992
Which is why that was also shown as bad. Shinji finds happiness through himself, and that is shown as the final, most important revelation.
>>139272993
>obviously exists
In a firm Shinji can't call a "Mother"
>loves
From the middle of a fucking mech, this is basically the "JEsus loves you " of EVA. Sure you can't see it or feel it, but the love is there regardless right?
>help
By being a tool for him to use, not a mother.
>>139272993
>Which is why he NEEDED her.
He needs Yui too. But the tense is clearly present. Gendo was a fan of the harem route.
