what went so horribly wrong with this studio?
did the knk info come out yet?
>>139255506
Nothing.
When they decided to adapt their own LNs.
>3-gatsu no lion
>Fate/Extra Last Encore
What's going on with this studio?
>>139255506
They prioritized visuals over story and then people who cared more about story keep watching their anime for some stupid reason and complaining about it.
Yamada.
>>139255506
Hibike saved anime, deal with it.
>>139255706
becoming mainstream
>>139255796
>They prioritized visuals over story
>Chunibyo S1
>Free
>Kyoukai no Kanata
>Tamako Love Story
>Euphonium
Not really.
>>139255506
Nothing, they are literally saving anime.
Phantom World is decent though, at least when compared to some of their other recently released shows.
They are too good for the industry.
Comparing it to any other studio is just not fair.
>>139256338
Their other recently released shows are Hibike and Amagi and both are better than Phantom World.
>>139256179
>any of those
>counterevidence
>>139256426
You know that's not true.
>>139256426
Amagi was funny, but the characters were meh.
>>139256338
While I liked Phantom World, I'd still say its their weakest work barring Munto, which I haven't seen.
They obviously aren't putting a lot of effort in, and they aren't even marketing it. Its just something they are doing on the side while preparing for KnK or Hibike S2.
>>139256487
Well aren't you edgy?
>>139256692
What does edgy even mean now?
>>139256606
>They obviously aren't putting a lot of effort in
You must be slow. The show had subtle foreshadowing and build-up to the events that are happening now.
>>139255506
It's popular and you autists can't stand their success.
>>139255506
>what went so horribly wrong
What do you mean?
Nothing ever went right in the first place.
They've been consistently terrible
>>139256742
>The show had subtle foreshadowing and build-up to the events that are happening now.
Its probably better if I called it unambitious. It has all the standard Kyoani flare, though not as visually heavy as Hibike, Tamako, or even Kyoukai no Kanata.
With Kyoani easily being the most ambitious studio when it comes to their works, its noticeable.
>>139256715
Something along the lines of faggot, I believe.
>>139255580
Thread should have ended here tbph familia.
>>139256815
Oh, fuck off. You can pretend all you want that being "le moeshit" takes away quality from shows, but to claim that Clannad, Haruhi, K-On, Chuunibyou Season 1, and Hyouka are not good anime is exceptionally disingenuous. You can, of course, not like the shows, but calling them shit is fucking silly.
>>139256528
Hibike was a 7/10
Amagi 5/10
Phantom World is barely 4/10
>>139257157
>Hyouka
>good
>>139255991
This.
>>139257259
I can tell you've not seen it.
>>139255506
>>being hetwarrior for too long
>>139257168
Hibike 8
Amagi 6
Phantom 6
>>139257259
>posts evashit
>>139255506
K-On!
>>139257011
Duh
>>139257259
>10/10 visuals
>10/10 OST
>10/10 girls
>10/10 clothes design
The only thing it didn't have going for it was the kinda boring story but it was still a great watch.
>>139257397
Not this again.
>hibike was good
can all these people leave
>>139257157
>K-On
>good
It's the naruto of iyashikei
>>139257420
So what you're saying is that it was aesthetically pleasing but badly written? That makes it a bad anime.
>>139257420
>i-it looks pretty so it's the best anime ever!
I knew anime fans were retarded but come on
>>139257538
>>139255506
absolutely nothing
>>139257157
the 4 girls style of show is awful and becoming extremely overused
>>139257502
>badly written
It's not.
>That makes it a bad anime.
Citation needed.
>>139257679
The 4 girls style is good, fuck you.
>>139257538
Not the person you're replying to, but Hyouka of course had much more going for it than that. In fact some of the things he listed wouldn't have even crossed my mind in terms of the great parts of the anime.
But like someone else said before (perhaps also no to you), it's obvious you haven't watched it, or watched much more than the first episode of it, so why even bother try to change your mind about something you've already decided you hate?
>>139257679
Sure, because K-on perfected the genre.
I get the feeling none of you faggots actually watch anime.
>>139257763
None of who? Everyone?
>>139257420
Hyouka's storytelling was 10/10. I consider it Takemoto's best work.
>>139257822
The storytellling is fine but the story being told isn't particularly compelling.
>>139255506
They became successful.
>>139257481
Unless you were in your high school band you can't talk shit, faggot
>>139257763
>P-People got a different opinion than me! T-They must be watching something else!
>>139257848
This is basically what I meant with >>139255796
>>139257724
>but Hyouka of course had much more going for it than that
it really didn't, it had maybe one decent arc and then everything else was mediocrel, and almost all of the mysteries being solved relied entirely on contrivances and little-to-no actual detective work. in addition to the terrible story it had your typical apathetic high schooler faggot MC.
>>139255796
Visuals are part of the story.
>>139257968
Sujet vs fabula
>>139257968
>Visuals are part of the story.
Not in KyoAni's case
The visuals don't really do anything to enhance the show/story other than "ooh look pretty colors"
>>139256338
Have you ever considered that you have shit taste
>watching Phantom World past 2 minutes of episode 1
You're probably from tumblr.
>phantom yui clones
Nice job KyoAnus
>>139257916
I often see people getting angry at the mysteries, as if they even mattered in the long run. Hyouka was a story about the journey, not the end-point. With subtle direction, beautiful visuals (because really, they simply can't be understated) and characters written in a way that you don't even realize how much you slowly come to love them.
Honestly, the people who make this complaint strike me as the same kind of people who say that Tamako Love Story was too long, or too boring.
>>139258147
Too bad that "journey" is only good for putting people to sleep
>>139257897
I reached that conclusion because there was a whole lot of memeing, but little actual discussion about why KyoAni is 'bad.' You're just regurgitating the kyoanus thread from last week, which was also a lot of fucking nothing. You're all shitters and you should consider watching more anime.
>>139258111
>different hair color and shape
>different eye color and shape
>different nose shape
>different head shape
>different ear shape
>clone
Literally what.
>>139258097
>You're probably from tumblr.
What does this even mean? tumblr would hate PW. What does anything even mean anymore.
>>139258066
>>139258111
Nice bait.
>>139258111
I dont see it, are you drunk anon?
>>139258066
That's really not true. Kyoani shows have plenty of strong symbolic visuals, even in their weaker works.
>>139258111
>>139258222
Looks like you've still got it, Anonymous!
>>139258147
Why are Hyoukafags so deluded?
>>139258331
>I follow this one girl on tumblr
Fuck off.
>>139258331
Reminder to report blogposting tumblrshits.
>>139255506
Nothing.
>>139258321
You sure showed him.
>>139255506
They adapted LNs with premises you liked and then they adapted some bad ones.
>plays classical music at a good level and has never seen an euphonium
I was aware of the existence of this instrument but still, what music do they even play in this anime?
>>139258321
How is that delusion? This is what I'm talking about. You retards can't even talk about anime without sperging out for no reason.
>>139258147
If you don't enjoy the mysteries, then its really hard to enjoy the show.
You just enjoy the mysteries because of the way the characters react to them and interpret them, not because of mind blowing twists and reveals.
Personally I don't like Oreki. I feel like he's a boring character, but I still found the show enjoyable because of the slow and subtle character development pulled me along. I'd never be able to rewatch it though. It would be too boring since I didn't like the mysteries as much.
Love Story's pacing is fine on the first watch since its supposed to build tension. Without the tension, there is no pay off in the end so I found it dull on a rewatch.
>>139255506
Nothing. They just need better source material. Or writers.
If they can do that they're golden, since it's been their animators pulling their weight and more for several years.
>>139258664
>what music do they even play in this anime?
Concert band music. Watch it if you're interested. It's pretty good.
>>139258664
It's a concert band, or a wind symphony orchestra.
Haven't you been to a performance, or heard one?
>>139257335
>Phantom 6
Nigga what
>>139258664
the kind that goes doot doot
>>139258815
I'm a cellist so I'm not into wind ensembles, and they are not popular where I live
>>139258664
Modern concert music, but not many pieces since they spend most of the time practicing. The people playing the real music make a good job of playing better or worse for the plot and if you played in your teen years you might relate to the "well, I'm good but good enough to know I can't make a career out of this". It's a nice competition anime, but instead of baseball they play music.
>>139255506
Nothing, they are the best studio now.
Only faggots, /v/ and muh mature and serious animu edgy fans complain about and make this type of threads
They always find a way.
>>139258965
Nothing.
>>139259084
Hehe, I'm kinda in the same situation, I'm still a student, I often play with professional players but I don't think I will make a career out of this
>>139255796
>They prioritized visuals over story
>>139259218
The sweetest betrayal and rape.
>>139259140
Suuuuure, the best studio that gets blown the fuck out by Deen and hasn't made anything truly substantial since Disappearance. It's all shitty meme shows, pretty looking mediocrity, and in-house ln adaptations.
>>139260261
Disappearance isn't even their best movie.
>>139260261
>Suuuuure
Spotted the crossboarder.
>>139259140
They are best at what? they have good animation but that's it, everything else is garbage even Japan isn't buying their shit anymore.
>inb4 Velvet Garden
That LN flopped in japan nobody cares.
>>139260521
>they have good animation but that's it
Nah, the good animation is just a bonus.
>That LN flopped in japan nobody cares.
Source?
>>139260440
Never said it was.
>>139260479
Fuck off.
>>139260737
>Never said it was.
Except you did. You said they haven't made anything substantial since Disappearance, which implies that Disappearance was the last substantial thing they did. If you say they didn't do anything substantial after it (which includes all of their other movies), then you're saying none of their other movies are better than Disappearance.
>>139260737
What a cute crossboarder.
>>139260710
>Source?
>He doesn't know that none of Kyoani's LN never ever charted
>>139260890
>forgot about K-on
oops
>>139260997
no wait, that came after disappearance
Anti-KyoAni fags have been on full force this past month.
>>139260737
>Never said it was.
>>139257168
>Hibike was a 7/10
>>139261099
6/10
Forced moe and yuri pandering ruined it for me.
>>139258851
It's fun enough to deserve this note.
they started making and owning rights to shitty light novels
stopped adapting other decent to good light novels
shifted to their modern artstyle
became a meme
>>139257168
Hibike 10
Amagi 10
Phantom 10
>>139257157
>K-On
>good
>>139261168
>stopped adapting other decent to good light novels
They've never adapted good light novels.
Most of the source material they've adapted was shit to mediocre, yet a good number of their shows were masterpieces.
>>139261208
Better than LoGH to be quite honest fampai
>>139261150
This. All the characters not named Kumiko or Asuka or Natsuki ruined it to me imo. 5/10.
>>139261183
I'd say Amagi is an 8 and Phantom improved into a 7.
>>139261276
Not him but LoGH have at least one good character, which is already more than K-On. I like some of the musics though.
>>139261276
that's a really low bar
Rate each KyoAni show:
Munto
Fumoffu
Air
The Second Raid
Haruhi
Kanon
Lucky Star
Clannad
K-On
Nichijou
Hyouka
Chunibyo
Tamako Market
Free
Kyoukai no Kanata
Amagi
Euphonium
Phantom World
>>139261411
10 all of them
>>139260890
You forgot a movie
>>139261411
every single one of them is a 4/10 bar FMP and Haruhi of course
>>139261411
>Munto
Never seen it
>Fumoffu
8/10
>Air
6/10
>The Second Raid
8/10
>Haruhi
7/10 series, 10/10 movie
>Kanon
7/10
>Lucky Star
10/10
>Clannad
9/10
>K-On
10/10
>Nichijou
7/10
>Hyouka
7/10
>Chunibyo
8/10 first season, 6/10 second
>Tamako Market
10/10, 9/10 movie
>Free
Never seen it
>Kyoukai no Kanata
9/10
>Amagi
8/10
>Euphonium
8/10
>Phantom World
6/10
Both this:
>>139255580
and this:
>>139255991
Are true.
>>139257848
Also special mention, this is the best way that I've heard this put so far.
I enjoyed Hyouka, like a lot. But I can see why people would not like it. Basically nothing happens. If you like a strong plot with interesting themes then you're not really gonna enjoy Hyouka. It fit well for me personally because I prefer characters over plot. The characters weren't 10/10 mind you, both the leads Oreki and Chitanda were weak, but the supporting cast is superb. And while the plot doesn't REALLY go anywhere, it serves the characters pretty well and it's satisfyingly intricate. So you've got uninteresting cliche leads who are very well utilized, an incredible supporting cast, and some complicated shit to have them do. Turns out that's enough for me. Also I found it comfy as fuck.
I basically see Hibike as the same thing, with a really weak central plot (how much more predictable and cliche could you get? they win the thing), but with significantly stronger characters. The story of each individual episode and how it relates to the characters is fantastic, just the overall plot isn't super compelling. Hibike just did the best job of getting that overall plot out of the way, so it doesn't drag everything else down. The plot doesn't matter, the characters do. And as such, I think it's the culmination of Kyoani's current style.
>>139257157
I remember like it was yesterday a time when Hyouka, Chu2 and even K-On were frowned upon and treated like an entirely separate category from Haruhi and Clannad.
I'm sure Amagi and Euphonium will be 'KyoAni classics' in just a couple of years too.
>>139261481
>munto is better than disappearance
>>139261548
Wow you really have low standards
>>139260890
name me a kyoanus movie better than Disappearance then
Inb4 that shit wreck K-On movie.
>>139255506
They started adapting their shitty LNs and adding anime-original characters. There's nothing with those, but their execution has been mixed, with KnK and Phantom World being trainwrecks.
>>139261411
>Munto
-
>Fumoffu
7
>Air
I can't get through Keyshit
>The Second Raid
7
>Haruhi
TV: 5 Movie: 6
>Kanon
I can't get through Keyshit
>Lucky Star
6
>Clannad
I can't get through Keyshit
>K-On
8
>Nichijou
8
>Hyouka
8
>Chunibyo
S1: 7 S2: 4
>Tamako Market
TV: 7 Movie: 8
>Free
S1: 3 S2: 7
>Kyoukai no Kanata
6
>Amagi
7
>Euphonium
8
>Phantom World
6
>>139261626
Kyoani has obviously gone through several distinct periods and evolved over time. Their stuff can definitely be put into several general categories of work. I don't see how that's a problem. It has almost no bearing on whether any of them are good or not.
>>139261684
Some people like TLS better
>>139261411
>>139261548
The way I see it:
>Munto
Never seen it
>Fumoffu
8/10
>Air
Never seen it
>The Second Raid
8/10
>Haruhi
8/10 series, 9/10 movie
>Kanon
7/10
>Lucky Star
7/10
>Clannad
8/10
>K-On
Never seen it
>Nichijou
8/10
>Hyouka
10/10
>Chunibyo
8/10 first season, 5/10 second
>Tamako Market
Never seen it
>Free
Never seen it
>Kyoukai no Kanata
9/10
>Amagi
9/10
>Euphonium
9/10
>Phantom World
6/10
>>139257157
What else do I call shows that I don't like then?
>>139261626
When K-On aired, the shitposting spam was unbearable.
>>139261626
No one cares about Haruhi anymore though While those shows and Clannad are still liked in Japan
>>139261763
>disappearance: 6
>knk: 6
>pw: 6
>chuuni: 7
>>139261684
Tamako Love Story > K-On movie > Disappearance > Miraihen
>>139261824
>KnK 9/10
>Amagi 9/10
Dude, I'm a huge kyoani apologist, but this is ridiculous.
>>139261865
Chu2 was nearly as bad at its peak, but K-On's shitposting lasted way longer, I'll give it that
>>139261727
It's nice to see a kyoanus fan that isn't completely retarded,
>>139261824
>Amagi
>Naked but
>Sex jokes
>Lol 50 cento xD
>9/10
Let me guess you also like SAO and battle harens
>>139261975
Chu2 was sort of different, though, it was mainly bad just because of that fucking /b/ sticky.
>>139262020
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.
I like KyoAni, but a lot of their fanbase came from K-On, and that's pretty sad
They stopped caring about making good anime, and they started to make shit based off their own horrible LNs. I want good Keyani back.
>>139262084
I'd say there are more Haruhifags than keions.
>>139261872
Reminder that Haruhi is kill
>>139261960
>>139262020
>>139261960
I should probably mention that with KnK I watched only the first season, no OVA or movies. I would maybe peg it at 8.5 but if you get into fractions like that it's just pretentious.
Anyways, Amagi was very close to being a 10/10 but I can very clearly distinguish that Hyouka set the bar higher.
Anyways, I realize its popular with the memesters but I mostly liked it because I've been a RollerCoaster Tycoon fan for over a decade and this was basically an anime adaptation of it. I'm by no means taking the arm-chair anime professional stance on this stuff
>>139262108
Phantom World has three times more sakuga and 3 times less QUALITY than any other show from bigger studios this season. I don't see the "stopped caring about making good anime" bullshit you're spouting. They stopped doing really popular shit, but then again, none of their hits were really all that popular to begin with before they adapted them, except FMP, and now Koe no Katachi.
>>139262141
>Haruhifags
They're pretty old now, and far fewer maybe
>>139261934
>TLS
>K-On movie
kyoanus fans ladies and gentlemen
>>139261411
>Haruhi
series: 8 movie: 10
>K-On
7
>Nichijou
Fuck I need to finish this, I'm like ten eps into it... probably 7 so far.
>Hyouka
7/10
>Chunibyo
s1: 7/10 s2: 6/10 (originally liked it much worse, but bumped it up after a rewatch and i was less viscerally pissed off)
>Tamako Market
7
>Kyoukai no Kanata
series: 7 movie: 6
>Amagi
6.5
>Euphonium
8
>Phantom World
Haven't seen the last ep yet, but... probably 5 or 6
>>139262207
You should watch the OVA and movie. I think they're better.
>>139261960
Can't speak for him or others but KnK was god-tier in every department except for the plot itself, which is why I pegged it a 9/10.
Characters, visuals, OST, atmosphere; all unironic 10/10s.
>>139262247
Animation quality isn't the only thing that makes an anime good.
>>139262207
>I mostly liked it because I've been a RollerCoaster Tycoon fan for over a decade and this was basically an anime adaptation of it.
Well, certainly first time I've heard that one. To each their own, I guess.
>>139262277
Don't listen to this guy, the movie was shit. But then again, you gave the series a 9, so who knows what the fuck you're into.
>>139262315
Without good animation what's even the point of making animation?
>>139262277
OVA > TV > Movie
>>139262293
>characters
>atmosphere
>10/10
Those were shit, too. Nowhere near 10/10 material.
>>139262251
Soon both will be out numbered by Hibikefags.
>>139262315
Animation quality is the only thing that can be quantified. Whether you like the plot, atmosphere or characters of a show is all subjective. I happen to love Phantom World episodic nature and characters, the show reminds me a lot of early 00's battle harems, but some people might not be into that.
>>139262315
I'm sure you know a lot about what makes an anime good.
>>139261626
Amagi was their first ecchi, wasn't it?
That makes it important.
hibike is so fucking overrated. kyoani fags worship anything this studio shits out.
so much fucking yuri crap in that show. the orchestra stuff is good but you have to wade through a ton of shit.
>>139262315
Don't even bother. Kyoanus logic is pretty animation w cute girls = 10/10 show. Shows with shittier animation from other studios has been much more impressive in all other fronts than Kyo's squeaky clean polished turds.
>>139262488
>amagi
>ecchi
Huh?
>>139262251
In Japan? Yes but in /a/ there are plenty. Just make a Haya Hirano/no virgin seiyu thread and they will flip their shit over "purityfags"
>>139262488
Did we watch the same show? Even K-on was more ecchi than Amagi.
>>139262494
>so much fucking yuri crap in that show.
You should try to actually watch it.
>>139262494
I'm sorry you didn't enjoy it.
Maybe one day you'll come to like the show. And capital letters.
>>139259348
The show deals with a nice spectrum of that position. Some characters feel they can't grow in a medium without other good players and fail not apreaciate what you can learn from beginers, others need a push to care for the music beyond the goal of a career, others just want to enjoy the moment and don't realize they are hurting the more serious ones.I played violin in high school and wasn't dedicated at all, I still fel guilty for not being there for people who were my friends but just couldn't deal with my lazy shit when it was time to play. Spoilers, blogshit, etc.
>>139261411
>Munto
Nope
>Fumoffu
7/10
>Air
Dropped
>The Second Raid
7/10
>Haruhi
Dropped TV series
>Kanon
Nope
>Lucky Star
7/10
>Clannad
Nope
>K-On
8/10
>Nichijou
9/10
>Hyouka
9/10
>Chunibyo
S1: 7/10, S2: 6/10
>Tamako Market
6/10
>Free
Both 7/10
>Kyoukai no Kanata
7/10
>Amagi
6/10
>Euphonium
8/10
>Phantom World
Dropped
>>139262293
Ehhh, I could certainly be persuaded into saying that the direction was 10/10. It's fucking incredible what they did with that source material. And I think I enjoyed the characters a lot more than the average /a/non (the humor mostly landed for me). I loved the world they created (obviously mostly anime original), and the visuals were great, but the characters were pretty cliche and not super compelling. Definitely not 10/10. And the plot after episode 4 was a train wreck to the point of being almost insulting. It was just sooo melodramatic. The plot was like a 3 or 4, despite being pretty skillfully written mechanically. And then the movie just ditched everything that was good about the show and cranked the melodrama up to eleven. I could go 7/10 on the series, and I think that's higher than most sane /a/nons could muster. No way it's higher than that.
>>139262408
>early 00's battle harems
>something that needs to be resurrected
Pick one.
>>139262590
hibike is stinkier than a japanese fish market, literally every character is gushing for SOMEONE
>>139261548
>>Lucky Star
>10/10
I stopped reading there.
>>139262686
I wish they were. They were certainly better than modern harem shows.
>>139262699
>baiting this hard
>>139255506
Inconsistent as fuck when it comes to the quality of their shows in terms of content. One show will be really good and the next will be bad. All they have in common is they look better than 95% of the shit that comes out every season. But they're still overrated studio.
>there are people still trying to provide damage control for Phantom Shit
You people are irredeemable.
>>139262686
>>139262778
>any harems
>good
Nope.
>>139262699
You should try to actually watch it.
>>139262819
Better than Haruhi.
>>139262819
I'm a pretty fucking big Kyoani fan, but those people are crazy.
>>139262819
What's wrong with it?
>>139261886
But he's right.
>>139262656
The characters being 10/10 may have been a stretch, but I feel like that if the plot wasn't so lacklaster and complimented the characters more, they would have been 10/10.
As for the plot itself, I really didn't think it was all that bad. I actually loathe melodrama, and I didn't like Hibike a much as others because of that, but I didn't mind it in KnK as much as it was more life and death. It seemed to me that it escalated too much and the pacing was poor. It went from two kids having poor circumstances to involving the fate of the world. I suppose its one of those things that would have been better as 2 cour.
But I do agree that the movie was pointless. It makes me wonder if there was a second cour planned but because of the lackluster sales it was turned into a movie. The ending was really nice though.
>>139261063
Is trending among fedora/manime fags. They are very vocal about their "moe is killing anime muh LOGH" and since Kyoan made some of the most famous moe SOL they chose it as their target.
The funny thing is that it was long time ago and Kyoani is not even making moe SOL anymore but that wont stop them from trying to look smart by complaining about the "evil" studio.
>>139262819
It's pretty good lad, specially the second half.
>>139262778
I disagree. Cosprayers and Yumeria and shit are just as bad as any battle harem LNs we get today, even Isuca.
>>139255506
I personally never liked any of their anime.
>>139262819
it was alright for very casual viewing. i mean if you literally have nothing else interesting to watch or do you can squeeze a few giggles and some entertainment out of it.
>dropped it on ep 5
>>139263161
Yumeria was fun as hell. Yeah it was bad but the kind of bad that entertains you, just like Phantom World.
>>139263215
But six is when it starts getting good.
>>139263220
What. Yumeria is legitimately one of the worst things I've ever seen.
>>139263215
The giggles were casual too.
>>139263270
I started liking it more when it started to tie things together, so the first half wasn't pointless like I first thought.
>>139263270
not interested enough to spend another 20 mins on it. supposedly eps 10-12 were actually decent but i'd rather spend those 2 hours i'd have to spend getting there, doing literally anything else.
>>139263220
>Yumeria was fun as hell.
So this is the type of person who enjoys Phantom World.
>>139262952
Look, I respect your opinion, but that shit was filled with melodrama. First he's dead, then she's dead, then she's not, then she really is dead again, then she's not, then she's got AMNESIA!
The story was obviously written for a juvenile market. Compare kyoani's light novel shows with their novel novel shows. In Chuuni, KnK, Phantom World, your characters have flashy accessorized costumes, crazy hair, and are put into contrived situations which devolve into cheap melodrama. In Hyouka and Hibike, your characters are reserved in their appearances, and reserved in their responses. How many times did main characters cry in Hibike? Kumiko once? Hazuki once (more of a supporting character anyway)? Oh, and Reina in the opening. Now how many times did main characters cry in KnK? I'm not gonna go back and count because it would take all day but... it's gotta be close to ten.and if you include the movie it's like fifty
>>139263420
>Mature anime for mature people such as myself
I think you're lost, >>>/MAL/
>>139263459
Am I not allowed to dislike anything without being called a mature animefag now?
>>139263005
Actually the second half is very weak as well. They still stuck with the episodic formula, which can turn out well when done right, except the characters and the setting still lack development. It's like Charlotte where they waited until the very end to actually build the plot.
>>139263424
>novel novel shows
I hope they find more novels to buy. I liked Hibike and Hyouka more than any of their other works.
>>139263504
Not him, but what you're not allowed is to look down on others just because they have a different taste than yours.
>>139263549
I like it.
>>139263590
This. I never seen an average show polarazing opinions that much.
>>139263583
hownew.ru
>>139262918
It's a cheap cash grab? Most of the episodes are literally the same episode centered on a different character until the Big Epic Ending rolls around? It's completely boilerplate cliche bringing almost no new ideas to the table?
Most of the episode of this show were a struggle and a chore to get through. A couple were decent. The one where Mai looked after young Haru was nice, but it felt pretty empty in a show that has basically no grounding and pretty much immediately forgot about it. The Haru's Mom demon thing was also kinda nice, but it was too little too late. Most of the episodes were terrible. The ending of the Ruru episode was insultingly bad, in particular.
>>139263568
>kyoani will never own Hyouka
It hurts.
>>139263583
>wanting /a/ to be a hugbox
>>139263662
Except it isn't average. It's mediocre at best and absolute shit at worst. I mean, the setting is barely explained, the characters are barely developed.
>>139263662
That's because Kyoani doesn't make average shows. Kyoani makes consistently above average shows. Kyoani fans were just shocked by how bad it was, even though it's like a 5/10 outside of the kyoani context. Compared to other Kyoani shows it's like a 2/10.
>>139263583
Get the fuck out.
>>139263685
I liked most of the episodes except 2, 3 and 6
>>139263685
Why do you call it a cheap cash grab? I don't think anyone expected it to be a big hit and they certainly aren't cutting corners when it comes to visuals and animation like other studios do.
>>139263424
It seems like we have different definitions of melodrama.
To me, melodrama is just exaggerated drama in situations that wouldn't normally call for it. Would a kouhai loudly bawl her eyes out when her senpai declines a solo even though she rightfully won it? Would someone scream out over a river because they decided they want to get better at their hobby and just can't nail that one part? Not really.
But would someone cry and scream over someone dying? Yeah, that's more understandable. I don't really call that melodrama. Even if it happens way more than necessary.
Otherwise, KnK did suffer a lot from the amateur writing. Kyoani did its best with it so I have no real complaints. All of their amateur light novels do suffer from it. Chuuni has its weird drama, Phantom World just needs better characters (Ruru is easily the best character in PW), and KnK needed a better overarching plot.
>>139263771
I just want people to use their minds actually.
>>139263806
The only episode I found to be worthwhile were 4, 11 and 12. Of the rest, some were just uninteresting, others were offensively bad.
>>139263924
Because it's obvious that not a lot of work went into pre-production compared to their other shows, they gave it to their B director, had him bang out storyboards, and shipped it off to animation.
>>139263005
That's how you go bankrupt.
>>139263685
>Most of the episode of this show were a struggle and a chore to get through.
Just like any other anime then.
>>139264002
Only if you're Bones. KyoAni has never been in the red.
>>139255506
Nothing besides your shit taste.
>>139263992
Are you retarded? Ishihara is not their B director, not even fucking close.
>>139263779
>It's mediocre at best and absolute shit at worst.
Just like Mami Kawada.
>>139263928
>Kyoani did its best with it so I have no real complaints
This right here is the problem. The fact that they polished that turd to a high gloss (impressive as fuck, I'll be the first to admit) does not mean that you should overlook those flaws.
Look, I can't think of one anime I wanted to love more than KnK. If that story had been solid, if they had toned down the melodrama, maaaybe gotten rid of the fan service episode, it would be one of my all time favorites. Seeing what they did with the direction, the dialog, the world of that show, and yeah, even the characters, the beautiful amazing work they did. Fuck, every time I think about how that ED theme came in a few seconds before the end of the episode it tugs at my heartstrings. Seeing all that incredible work they did just fall flat because of this mess of a story is one of the greatest disappointments I've ever experienced from anime.
KnK had some of my favorite direction ever. I found it charming through and through. But it was critically, critically flawed.
>>139255506
Literally talentless hacks afraid of leaving the harem/SoL comfort zone.
Also has never produced a successful original anime.
>>139264339
That's not true. She's one of the best singers in anime and her retirement is a major loss to the industry.
>>139264353
KnK really isn't bad if you understand that the overarching plot is the bond between Aki and Mirai, and not the end of the world. KnK is a romance anime with a fantasy battle setting. The romance is well written.
>inb4 hurr glasses fetish
you just don't get it is all
>>139264467
That's your opinion, just like what you said about PW.
>>139264480
>The romance is well written
No it's not. The characters are pretty flat and uninteresting. Again, melodrama does not good romance make. It's just a shitty Romeo and Juliet. The whole story and all of the characters could not be more cliche.
>>139263992
>they gave it to their B director, had him bang out storyboards, and shipped it off to animation.
Ishihara only storyboarded one episode.
>>139255506
Kyoani has just continued on a downward spiral since churning out Tamako.
It's hard to believe this is the same studio that made Disappearance nowadays.
>>139264353
>But it was critically, critically flawed.
I guess I just don't mind the flaws as much as you do. I will admit it is flawed, that's why I don't call it a masterpiece.
I understand that feeling of disappointment though. I felt the same way withGurren Lagann. I wanted to like it so bad but the flaws were just too overbearing for me.
>>139258066
>I have never watched Hyouka: The Post
Not surprising of a Shirobakofag.
>>139264676
Don't generalize us Shirobakofags. I watched Hyouka and Shirobako and I liked both.
>>139255506
They spend so much money on special effects, they forgot to allocate for writers.
>>139264404
>Also has never produced a successful original anime.
So? Is it written somewhere in the anime studio rulebook that you need to make a successful original anime to be a good studio
>>139255706
They sold out when they picked up Nisekoi (aka Love Hina Ripoff No. 802701).
>>139264404
>Also has never produced a successful original anime.
Tamako Market didn't flop senpai
Tamako Love Story sold pretty well
>>139256742
Sounds like the standard response to defenders of a failing show.
i'm rooting for more flops so they can go full defcon 1 and make haruhi s3
>>139264860
nice argument
>>139264566
>No it's not. The characters are pretty flat and uninteresting.
That doesn't mean the romance can't be well written. Still, the characters aren't flat, at least not the main couple. They're both self-loathing monsters that want to free each other of their curses. True, there's a similarity with Romeo and Juliet, but there are other aspects like the theme of sacrifice, instead of just dying for love. In Romeo and Juliet, it's "I can't live without you so I'm going to kill myself". In KnK, it's "Even if I'm free of my curse, I don't want to live without you, so I'm going to rescue you". And even if you understand that, the characters' reasons are much more deep than just "I fell in love with you", it's a story of kindred souls, self-hate and solidarity.
>>139264795
>Tamako Market didn't flop senpai
It flopped. And Love Story got shitty sales for a movie.
>>139261063
They're suffering their worst blow since Munto. We're coming here to laugh at them.
>>139264957
3.6k isn't flopping.
>>139264953
It's just all so juvenile. I mean look at the themes you're listing. It's pandering to japanese tweens.
>>139264738
>They spend so much money on special effects
We're talking about KyoAni not Ufotable
> they forgot to allocate for writers
Good writers are usually freelancers in the anime industry, the most famous ones tend to work with the highest bidder. You'll never see people like Gen Urobuchi for example work for KyoAni in an original anime because they 1)Can't afford him 2)Prefer to work with their own talent.
>>139264957
4.8k isn't a flop.
>>139261063
They always are. I don't think there's a bigger group of people who are perpetually asshurt about something so minuscule.
>>139262778
For every mildly endearing early 00 shit like Dokkoida we'd get why tier shit like Magikano.
Being greedy faggots who don't want to spend any money adapting anything other than their shitty light novel line. Thankfully they seem to be fixing that.
