Is this actually good or is it as overrated and bad as I keep hearing?
It's just nostalgia.
>>139001560
It's a great anime with some flaws, but also the kind of show that your average viewer today simply cannot understand.
>>139001627
>your average viewer today simply cannot understand.
>if you don't like it you don't understand it
That seems like a lame excuse
It's good. It's not perfect either. People on here can only ever talk about things in hyperbole, both when praising and when criticisizing something so just keep that in mind.
Don't get too swayed by people calling it's cast smart, it does the same sorta thing Death Note does in that it's characters just call themselves smart over and over again and you're just expected to go along with it on that basis alone. Provided that doesn't bug you too much it's enjoyable enough.
It's that great if you are into that sort of thing, it's not everyone's cup of tea.
>>139001617
that don't make sense no one seen it when it was made most peoples watch because 4chan
>>139001560
It's probably as overrated and bad as you keep hearing.
I propose you get the fuck out and kill yourself.
>>139001560
on /a/ overrated = good
it wouldn't be called overrated here if it didn't have value (otherwise it would've just been called shit).
>>139001560
It's really good.
>>139001560
It's a masterpiece.
>>139001560
It may look overrated to people that don't like space operas at all.
Otherwise you will most likely enjoy it.
Just give it a go and form your own opinion about it.
Legend of the Galactic Heroes is not good
You can ignore the whole Reuhental and Rubinsky storylines. Rubinsky's storyline ends withhim dying alone and all his alluded to planning and plotting genius summing up to shit and dick, Reuhental's ends with himdying after rebelling because plots and intrigue and not wanting to be the Terraist's pawn.So one's a big waste of time the other is retarded.
Yang Wenlidies and is replaced in the story by his uncharismatic fuckboi, the little blonde fag. He goes on towin through a narrative asspull of him going on a suicide mission and "earning the emperor's respect"by fainting in front of him.The entirety of the Rosen Ritters die and along with them one of the few well written charcters
There's tons of exposition, no I'm serious, TONS of exposition, there's at least 10 minutes of it per episode. It's all broken up but it's still boring as hell. For a visual medium this is is an inexcusable sin.
Every single battle in the anime looks the same, don't believe me? Go on the wiki and find the battles and look them up in Youtube, they'll all look the same with the exception of two that have gore and one that has the pov of a fighter pilot.
that exposition I was talking about? It tends to come up during the political sections. So they not only made the battles boring they made the politics boring too.
the change in animation styles will be jarring.
There's no world building at all
there's 110 episodes of all of this shit, and no, the quality at no point improves
I think there's a guide that says what episodes you need to watch to understand the story and just watch those if you *really* like them watch the rest. Seriously overrated anime on 4chan this is mostly because it's not bad it's just bland so the fags that like it are vocal about it and the guys that don't just ignore it.
>>139002676
>>139002751
>>139001627
It has its moments but at 110 episodes+movies they're few and far between.
>>139003014
>Reuhental
What is the point of such a long copypasta, if you ruin it with spelling mistakes?
>>139001560
If you are into military, politics, deep-story, humanism, and character development, go ahead. It is a very good adaptation of the original novels which showcases realism in an animated media. Also, you can brag about this with your plebish friend who has only wathed Naruto and DBZ
But, if you (like most people in /a/) are in for the boobs, "escaping reality", moe, and "epic fights", you should stay away from this, it will get you bored in an instant.
>>139003179
>can't accurately spell the anime copy of a high Germanic name in English
Nigger that doesn't even matter.
>>139003259
>If you are into military
>2D tactics in a 3D battlespace
>muh military realism
kill yourself
>>139003264
"Reuenthal" is NOT High German.
-thal would be written -tal these days.
>>139003454
Alright, the anime copy of a Germanic name in English.
It's spelling, and of a name of all things, it doesn't matter, you know who it meant.
>>139001560
it's a good show
plot, characters, lore, and soundtrack are great
ignore any opinions you hear on here, neo /a/ has shit taste
>>139003800
So he should ignore yours?
>>139003154
>>139003800
>plot
Meh it's ok
> characters
Literally just a bunch of Archetypes
>lore
It's barely there despite being as long as it is, almost all of it is centered on politics.
>and soundtrack
Basically just classical music, not bad but I wouldn't call it its soundtrack either, more like "music that existed they decided to use".
>>139003829
yes
and yours
he should watch a few episodes and form his own opinion instead of begging anonymous retards on the internet to tell him what to watch
>>139003985
The problem with that is that it's really long, you could watch 20 episodes and not like it then keep watching in hopes that it gets better. This is precisely the kind of shit reviews and opinions are for.
It's a fantastic show and one of the few great space opera stories in popular fiction.
Characters are really enjoyable, designs and music are great and it's very easily digestible upon rewatch which you likely will do upon finishing this beast.
There are definitely some slower parts, specifically in Parts 2 and 3 of the show, but again they are far and few between.
However make sure to watch the My Conquest Is The Sea of Stars OVA first as it is a prequel to the start of the main series and is a fun introduction to the main characters.
It's a good show and if your're a fan of soft sci-fi or historical fiction you'll love it. It has flaws which are not insignificant, but its generally better than the majority of shows that have aired since its completion.
>>139004070
You have horrible taste and/or are a liar.
>>139004094
>but its generally better than the majority of shows that have aired since its completion.
Battlestar Galactica is leagues better than this.
>>139004070
>designs
So which do you like best? The dick ships, the bland uninspired cityscapes that all look the same regardless of planet or the rip-off Parisian architecture? Which is just "great" according to you? The Art direction was trash and your opinion is garbage.
In every age and every time LOGH will be shitposted.
Such is the fate of being the best anime ever.
>>139001560
Overrated.
It's still good though. There's way, way too much "smart young kid is overruled by idiotic older dude" though.
>>139004838
>best anime ever
And this is why every anime is shit. Back to moe threads now.
![Legend of Galactic Heroes Gaiden Spiral Labyrinth 07 - Central Anime [E62ECF13].mkv_snapshot_10.23_[2015.10.08_06.26.16].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/eNdNEJM.jpg "Legend of Galactic Heroes Gaiden Spiral Labyrinth 07 - Central Anime [E62ECF13].mkv_snapshot_10.23_[2015.10.08_06.26.16].jpg")
What a miserable thread.
it's overated as fuck but its not bad, i kinda of like it personaly, didnt finished yet cause its too long(watched like 75 ou 110 episodes)
>>139001560
i will always love all this falseflagging
maybe im already too retarded just like the rest of the people here
Out of curiosity, what would some of you say is a better anime?
It's pretty good but it's one of the most overrated on /a/.
it's meme anime #1 on /a/
Nobody actually saw it, but everyone likes to say how great it is.
>>139003014
>That completely mistaken view of Reunthal's storyline.But he went along with the Terraist plan, to the hilt. Because he simply couldn't take it anymore. It's one thing to bend the knee and ask for forgiveness when you actually commit a crime, it's another when you didn't do anything
Also, calling Schenkopp well written is a bit much. He's certainly not poorly written, but he doesn't have enough presence to make his writing stand out.
Go read Romance of the Three Kingdoms instead; LOGH is just a cartoon, and a pretty boring one at that
>>139001560
Just watch it yourself OP, fuck
>>139004293
>Hurr the ships look like a dick
There's a lot of good ship designs among the command ships, if you really can't avoid focusing on the dick ships.
Daily reminder that Fleet Admiral Paul von Oberstein did absolutely nothing wrong.
>>139005772
I'd like to know this as well but I've yet to find anything that comes close.
>>139008640
Yeah it's easy enough to think of film or literature that's better, but for just anime I'm drawing a blank. If it's so overrated here, what's better?
>>139007144
>There's a lot of good ship designs among the command ships
There's two and they both look like ISD's
>>139005772
>>139008640
Cowboy Bebop is better but it does nothing LOTGH does since it's a completely different theme, it's just a better show.
>>139007579
>*Other than being a bland uninteresting character that's a cliche pensive behind the scenes plotter that is.
If I had to pick one anime as my favorite, it'd be this one.
It has its flaws though.
>>139011545
Why?
>>139005772
Sailor Moon
>>139011331
Fuck the Brunhilde, the Percivals alright though.
>>139011590
Characters, plot, themes, lore, general enjoyment throughout.
I did say if I HAD to pick a favorite. It's pretty fucking hard to when you've seen a lot.
I'd rather pick a favorite for each genre rather than one overall.
>>139011982
>Characters, plot, themes, lore
How?
Especially the last one since the overall lore of the world is very shallow and poorly thought out.
>>139012040
Give me 2 hours when I'm home and I'll explain. Too much to type out on mobile.
Characters alone though is the biggest reason. Genuinely fell in love with them.
>>139012164
If you can't condense it into a half a paragraph your opinion isn't worth reading.
>>139003014
>Told to ignore Reuenthal and Rubinsky
>>139006994
>Schenkopp not having enough presence
>>139011518
>Oberstein is bland and uninteresting.
What the fuck am I reading?
The part about everything involving Julian being a fucking ass-pull is right though. He is the prime definition of a Gary Stu.
>>139003179
>Won't form a rebuttal to anon's opinion or simply agree
>Points out spelling instead.
>>139012229
That's a nice opinion.
>>139012300
No I'm serious, it isn't a complicated question and it doesn't take 2 hours to write or mull it over.
>>139012407
To describe why one out of hundreds of series is my favorite? Might as well ask me to pick one book as well while we're at it.
It's not an easy choice.
>>139012255
The entire plot could have literally been concluded without Rubinsky and nothing important would have been missed. His whole storyline was ultimately meaningless and objectively unnecessary to the completion of the story or the development of any of the necessary characters. Terraists could have easily been dropped into any of the little shit he did that did matter and nothing of value would have been lost.
>>139012040
>Characters
Sure most characters are shallow, doesn't stop them from being enjoyable. Yang is interesting because he is a staunch defender of the democratic system yet his fleet quickly becomes his own private fleet. Reinhard is interesting, not for his "perfect" first half, but for his faults that become more apparent in the second half.
>plot
>>139012229
oh wait you're shitposting never mind
>>139012509
>It's not an easy choice.
And yet you made it so I imagined you had a concrete idea as to why rather than being a tool that spouts shit for no reason. My mistake I guess.
And I didn't ask you to pick fuck of all, you did that all on your own for no reason whatsoever.
>>139012606
>you did that all on your own for no reason whatsoever.
that's actually true you did
no one even asked anything close to that
>>139012606
I listed off my reasons in a single sentence already.
You wanted me to expand in them.
>>139012675
>You wanted me to expand in them.
Yeah, because again, I'm assuming you actually have reasons rather than just cliche run of the mill responses.
Although I believe there's another post in this thread that gives those same exact resons for why it's "good", so I guess I was right in those reasons not being truly thought out.
Its alright, but the fanbase is extremely obnoxious, so you would do well to avoid any threads.
>>139012748
I'll explain them to you in a bit. You can wait.
>>139012576
Ok, so you liked a few of the characters, not most, just a few.
Why does what happens to Yang's fleet strike you as well written or thought out? Why is it enjoyable?
In what way does Reinhard's character development appeal to you?
You shouldn't ask anime faggots if LoGH is a good show. It's not anime but rather an epic show. Neither me nor a friend of mine like anime but we both loved LoGH due to our interest in military history.
While it does have a few issues concerning the plot and mixed quality of animation at times, it is still my favorite show, animated or live action. Also don't listen to the people that use hyperbole. They're just limpwristed faggots.
>>139013174
>You shouldn't talk about anime with people who watch anime
OK bruh have fun giving each other brojobs.
>>139012524
I will admit, the plot could have been concluded without Rubinsky. Technically wasn't that how it turned out anyway? The defeat of the Terraists and their assassination attempt marked the end of the anime. The end Rubinsky's story went out with a bang but it still didn't affect FPA or the Empire overall, but just Phezzan.
That being said, Rubinsky was the one pulling the strings and keeping things stirred up between the two major powers. That part did affect the story and it's main characters. I might have gotten one or two things wrong since it's been years since I've done a re-watch.
Rubinsky was no Xanatos or Lex Luthor but I don't like to think that he contributed nothing to the overall plot.
LoGH has its problems but on the whole the story and characters are fun to watch. Don't believe people pretending it's a piece of high art or philosophy or something, because it isn't, but you shouldn't take that as criticism either.
>>139001560
It's a classic. There's a reason why people keep talking about it and making these threads. Also a babby's first shitposting magnet.
>>139013352
Perhaps that anon meant that you shouldn't discuss something like LoGH with people who are die-hard anime fans because they tend to be a bit biased and rate things a bit higher than they should. I know I can only talk about anime with others who have watched a few series here and there but they are definitely not otaku or weeaboos.
>>139006994
>He's certainly not poorly written, but he doesn't have enough presence to make his writing stand out.
He's got his own backstory in the Gaiden
>>139013498
Spoilers motherfucker goddamnit
Even the ass ragging on it had the decency to use spoiler tags, fuck.
>>139013529
It's still better than 99% of all anime.
>>139013498
>but I don't like to think that he contributed nothing to the overall plot
It's not that he didn't contribute anything it's that he and everything he did was redundant.The things he did could have been attributed to a random Terraist without losing any real impact to the overall story.
>>139015266
It's not a good idea to go on /a/ without watching shit you don't want to be spoiled on.
Unless it's stuff that nobody ever talks about, but LoGH still gets talked about a lot for whatever reason.
>>139015341
I think I agree, but people applying ridiculously high standards to anime are just setting themselves up for disappointment.
>>139015421
>It's not a good idea to go on /a/
Fuck you man I'm on episode 23. Just have a shred of goddamn decency and use spoiler tags you lazy cunt nugget.
>>139015481
>Episode 23
You should stay away from /a/ and don't come back until you've finished watching it, and don't complain that people don't use spoiler tags when talking about a show that's decades old. Why are you looking at this thread anyway when you haven't watched it all?
>>139001560
Its amazing but the plot tactics of Yang are too much sometimes. Should have toned him down. Should have axed the earth cult, and Phezzan should have had a death star of their own because no way in hell would either side not invade them.
>>139015573
Don't question my methods just use spoiler tags.
Jerk.
>>139015587
The economics are retarded.
Total war doesn't give a shit about loans and defaults, a war economy is a resource based economy, especially after fighting so long.
>>139015612
Reminder that Reinhardt is the protagonist,Yang is an anti-villain and LoGH as a whole is thinly veiled imperialist propaganda.
>>139015693
Not at the end though Reinhardt was all screw the royalty merit is what matters then puts his kid in charge. Such a disappointment.
>>139015785
Not only that but the retard couldn't see the merits of a constitution. "Genius" my ass.
>>139015785
I think it's implicit that he expects the throne to be taken if his child isn't good enough. Plus, there's an indication that steps are being taken towards a democratic government in the future.
>>139015785
To be fair, everyone he could have named as a successor was dead by that point and the empire wasn't in a statefor systematic reform. At the very least, he requested that his son only be considered an heir if he was found worthy.
The end of LOGH sets up a new conflict for succession in the future rather than tie up everything neatly, which was certainly the authors intent.
>>139015923
>foppery and whim
I fucking hated the subs for that kind of shit.
>>139015996
What would be more accurate?
>>139016324
Get rid of "foppery", why do you have to be difficult about this faggot? People don't talk like that in english so write dialogue like people would actually speak it don't make a direct translation of a phrase.
>>139015587
It's been a while since I watched it, but I vaguely remember that Fezzan has its tentacles deep in the FPA and Empire's financial systems. I think they fulfilled the role of a reserve currency holder or a lender.
War burns through money like nothing else, and attacking those in charge of it might be the daftest way to fight a war.
>>139012255
Oberstein is bland and uninteresting Oberfag. His entire purpose is to show you how being edgy doesn't do anything in the long run if you don't got the brains to match it, which he didn't.
Just because he's a hero to you pencil pushers doesn't mean you have to suck his dick in every LOGH thread.
>>139016476
>Implying a guy who dresses up like a pirate to steal a space fortress cares about normalcy
>>139016324
It's not so much about accuracy but more that it's trying to be coy and clever and fails because no one talks like that, a better translation would be: "We're launching this revolution off impulsive whimsy. Got it?"
It would retain its impact without sounding so mangled.
>>139016476
>People don't talk like that in english so write dialogue like people would actually speak it
Direct Translation Mashengo: A man cannot forsake his own destiny.
Localized Mashengo: We wuz Kangz n shit Hoolian!
>>139016676
No that's just you being uneducated and thinking those around you speak English that represents the world and fictional sci-fi itself.
>>139016481
>War burns through money like nothing else
You're right and you're wrong. In a limited war with short term gains and losses, it does. It also does in a total war. the difference is that in a total war you will never EVER be in a position that you can't build X because you can't afford it.
You will always have the money to build anything you need because if you don't you die. The only limit is having the raw resources available. It's why I found the whole Phezzan plot point really dumb.
>>139016799
So there's just no scenario in which that isn't the absolute most magnificent godly translation ever? You must talk like a total faggot.
>>139016900
dubs confirms
>>139016844
Well, there's the civilian angle, which I assume was the point of the hamfisted scenes where soldiers were ransacking planets for resources because their own supply lines were so constrained. There were definitely a few pyrrhic victories.
>>139016900
Sure there is, just not in a series written over 20 years ago about a fictional futuristic universe where people use shoe boxes as space ships.
You gonna complain about how they all sound retarded going Mein Kaiser when no one does that in modern society either? Oh wait, shut the fuck up bitch and stop over exaggerating.
You've done nothing but take every single word out of context just because you got told you're a filthy nigger in the head, and chimping out is only proving you're an oxygen thief.
>>139017058
>and chimping out
Well fuckboi looks like someone woke up with a dick in their ass. It's just a bad translation anon, calm down.
>>139017120
Wasn't the series fansubbed?
>>139016844
That assumes the Empire / FPA actually have the power to demand whatever they want from all the planets. It is probably true of some planets, but some of the more independent ones might have enough power to prevent their resources from being exploited for free. Some of them might even go through back channels, like Phezzan, to supply the other side instead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHb5GOgPMuE
>>139017481
>That assumes the Empire / FPA actually have the power to demand whatever they want from all the planets.
Yeah, however we have no reason to assume otherwise.
>but some of the more independent ones might have enough power to prevent their resources from being exploited for free.
The thing with that is they're just as dead. So not cooperating is equally as suicidal as closing your factories because you can't pay workers. It's just not happening unless the plot demands it happen.
>>139017588
Gaaaayyyyyyyyy~
>>139017588
>that video thumbnail
I wish I had the software and video editing skills to to have Reuenthal shouting "GAAABOORRRAAAAA"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-5nN6oPmoQ
>>139017612
>Yeah, however we have no reason to assume otherwise.
If I remember correctly, there are independent planet sovereigns in the empire who rule as kings but pledge fidelity to the kaiser. There are also labor planets on the periphery who eagerly accept the FPA during their offensive. There were apparently enough of these people in the Empire for them to found the FPA after all.
>The thing with that is they're just as dead. So not cooperating is equally as suicidal as closing your factories because you can't pay workers. It's just not happening unless the plot demands it happen.
They don't need to openly revolt. If they only drag their heels and under deliver, then the Reich might leave them alone. After all, they don't want to waste resources keeping local provinces in line when they are needed to fight the actual enemy. And embattled dictators can persist for a long time, even after the majority of their citizenry abandon them. al-Assad is proof of this.
Are people are shitting on Legend of the Galactic Heroes now?
I always like to think that shitposters don't change anything, but time and again I'm let down.
Fuck you guys for being such impressionable cunts.
>>139018027
>If I remember correctly
So what you're telling me is that the lore is doubly stupid because not only did it commit the nonsense of having the nation-states submit themselves to a suicidal idiot system but it also gave immunity to the feudal state, which could conceivably have these problems and lumped them onto the FPA which if it were anything like modern federations, wouldn't have any of those problems.
This isn't mentioning that none of your points actually matter because at the end of the day both sides are fucked if their leadership loses to the foreign invaders since the two systems are incompatible and the power base of one state cannot easily operate under the leadership of the other.
>They don't need to openly revolt.
Your'e missing the point. Unless they were about to surrender and the war was assumed to be lost they would never "drag their heels".
>>139018222
These threads either die out or get hijacked by actual discussion. It's the best way to shitpost.
>>139011518
He's literally none of those things.
>>139018633
Who's that guy in your image?
>>139018559
The two sides in LoGH cannot be compared to modern states. The logistical obstacles of running a country spanning hundreds or thousands of planets would make any sort of direct government impractical. Not to mention the inevitable cultural differences between each of them would make it difficult to impose national unity through a shared identity.
It is clear from the flashback episodes that society has regressed throughout much of the galaxy into a feudal state. So it would probably be more accurate to compare them to the Chinese or Roman empires. Where a supreme authority collects tribute and issues broad edicts from above, but leaves the actual implementation and enforcement to local governing bodies.
At a local level, there is probably more variance in government from planet to planet than there is between the FPA and the Empire. The differences in leadership at the top between the two sides are probably of little practical concern to the average citizen in a periphery planet. Most people in large countries care little about what their federal governments do as is, imagine how much less they would care if that government were light years away.
>Your'e missing the point. Unless they were about to surrender and the war was assumed to be lost they would never "drag their heels".
Again, most of the people probably don't want war. It places an extra burden on an economy and is probably taking place too far away from them to care. So if they can give up less to their galactic government, they will. And if they can get a better deal selling to a third party, like Phezzan, then they probably will.
>>139001560
It's like GoT in space
I enjoyed it very much, but it can be VERY slow at times
>>139019206
>It's like GoT in space
Are you high? It's nothing like GoT.
>>139019194
Thank you for taking the time articulate exactly what I was thinking
>>139019291
political intrigue and everyone trying to fuck each other over to be the big cheese
and in the end everyone gets fucked by the not jews
it's exactly like GoT
>>139019194
>baseless supposition and analysis the post
Your post while not without merit has no basis in the miniscule lore provided by the franchise. In fact I'd wager that the long war fought between the two sides couldn't possibly have been conducted without a strong central government. In fact I'd say it would be a necessity for the size of fleets and the manpower involved.
> So if they can give up less to their galactic government, they will. And if they can get a better deal selling to a third party, like Phezzan, then they probably will.
Ludicrous and idiotic. No matter how different they are from "from planet to planet" we have to assume that they more or less share many similarities with their parent government otherwise they'd be more willing to fight for the other side. Since this isn't the case you have to assume fiefdoms in the Empire and states in the FPA they're almost identical to their parent government and thus incompatible with their de jure enemy.
As such hurting the war effort is counter-productive to the inherent desire of the state/fiefdoms rulers to have power. So they wouldn't.
>>139018633
Udo Dieter Hummel, Lennenkampf's Chief of Staff.
>>139019169
>>139019631
Fack, replied to my own post like an eejit instead of yours
I started watching because I was interested in the space battles, but they end up being mostly like naval battles set in space with little use of 3 dimensions. So that wasn't really the show's strong suit.
The politics was kinda interesting to watch but didn't really hook me enough to stick to the very end.
>>139019194
>The two sides in LoGH cannot be compared to modern states.
Then what are you doing comparing them to modern states?
>The logistical obstacles of running a country spanning hundreds or thousands of planets would make any sort of direct government impractical.
Hyperspace travel reduces distances exponentially just like cars and airplanes do now.
>Not to mention the inevitable cultural differences
There's no real indication in the show that there are any.
>a supreme authority collects tribute and issues broad edicts from above, but leaves the actual implementation and enforcement to local governing bodies.
By and large that's what we do that now, you're simply tagging onto that a federal government that for reasons of distance cannot enforce its authority even though you have no reason to think that the distance is insurmountable or any kind of impediment given their technological development.
>At a local level, there is probably more variance in government from planet to planet than there is between the FPA and the Empire.
That is flatly untrue. Within any confederation there is always a common thread that binds and rarely will you find different government types wilfully joining with each other especially in the case of democracy and authoritarian autocracies. The government types are incompatible.
>The differences in leadership at the top between the two sides are probably of little practical concern to the average citizen in a periphery planet
The little people aren't so much of a problem, it's the large corporations and states that would be quickly and mercilessly brought to heel if they were profiteering from the war effort. Small individuals wouldn't really matter. I'm sorry but the anon is quite frankly completely right about his description of a war time economy during a total war, especially when it's between two incompatible systems.
>>139019552
I agree that there is a connection between each planet government, or governor, and the central government. They probably got their position from a higher official in central government after all, and have an incentive to maintain social order.
However, the populace and industry of the planet probably has little attachment to the central government. They might have loyalty for the Kaiser, but wouldn't give a damn about Oberstein or Reuenthal.
In the case of the FPA. It is also clear that politics was very dysfunctional. Trunicht was turning the government into a Fascist dictatorship under the guise of Democracy. Had the FPA had been victorious, It is hard to see how the alliance would stay together under such a rule.
>As such hurting the war effort is counter-productive to the inherent desire of the state/fiefdoms rulers to have power. So they wouldn't.
There are plenty of examples of officials in modern countries making bad, or even criminal, deals for their own gain. Its not that outlandish.
>>139019957
Hold on we're getting off track here.
My whole point is that Phezzan would never be in a position to crash or otherwise significantly hamper war production in either state because both states are engaged in total war against the other. As such the economy wouldn't be based on money but on resources so the banking entity suddenly refusing credit wouldn't actually stop anything from happening.
Agree or disagree?
>>139019813
>Within any confederation there is always a common thread that binds and rarely will you find different government types wilfully joining
The Empire isn't a confederation, its an Empire. It was created by the Goldenbaum Dynasty conquering most of the free galaxy.
>There's no real indication in the show that there are any.
The FPA was created by discriminated and dissatisfied populations in the Empire. It is explicitly implied that both eugenics and racial segregation was practiced in the Empire for a long time. With disabled persons being euthanized (Oberstein talks about this) and non-Caucasians being sent to periphery planets to work as laborers. It is no coincidence that everyone in the Empire establishment is a space Caucasian with a German sounding name; while the FPA is full of different nationalities.
>Hyperspace travel reduces distances exponentially just like cars and airplanes do now.
Hyperspace travel is possible for the military and official dignitaries, but not something that the common person likely uses. And by logistical problems, I simply mean that it is unreasonable for a single head to effectively micromanage an empire that large. There has to be multiple layers of delegation, and every additional layer diminishes the direct control of the central authority. By the time you get to a local level, the officials probably have some amount of leniency in their governance. In addition, the local officials would have their own sense of authority as rulers of their planet, rather than servants of the emperor. So they would likely bend the rules to exert more control when they could get away with it.
>>139020115
I always though of Phezzan as more of a middleman facilitating trade between the two sides rather than as an issuer of credit. They probably wouldn't matter if there was a state of total war. But my argument is that neither side could ever exploit all of their planets enough to ever reach a true state of total war.
Corrupt officials can always find some way of profiting, perhaps by illegally selling supplies to Phezzan and then claiming they had been lost.
There would also still be third parties, Mercenaries, whom either side might need to hire in order to perform less savory jobs. So they would need a broker for them as well.
>>139020260
>The Empire isn't a confederation, its an Empire.
The way that you're describing it, it would be a confederation of sorts.
>It is no coincidence that everyone in the Empire establishment is a space Caucasian with a German sounding name; while the FPA is full of different nationalities.
I know anon, however you're saying that the states/provinces/fiefdoms of the empire have a level of cultural identity that would differentiate them significantly from each other. To a degree, I'm assuming, beyond say Hamburg and Frankfurt. This level of cultural authoritarianism you're suggesting would fly in the face of that. Although certain areas on the peripheries are slave/work planets there's nothing to assume the rulers would and moneyed populace would be a part of the culture of the workers.
>Hyperspace travel is possible for the military and official dignitaries, but not something that the common person likely uses.
As previously stated they're not relevant to what the anon was talking about, namely a war time economy.
>the local officials would have their own sense of authority as rulers of their planet, rather than servants of the emperor. So they would likely bend the rules to exert more control when they could get away with it.
That goes without saying the problem is when they become war profiteers during a war of conquest by a foreign entity. That's incredibly risky and with Phezzan as the sole recipient of cargo, easily traceable. Not to mention as previously stated by another anon, self destructive.
>>139020396
>rather than as an issuer of credit.
That's literally a plot point in the show.
>>139020396
>my argument is that neither side could ever exploit all of their planets enough to ever reach a true state of total war.
You can never truly reach a state of total war, it's a saying much like "bombing them back to the stone age". To quote WWZ, "When you take a shit is that a shit 'for victory'?" You haven't answered my question though.
>>139019785
The battles were actually more like land battles than navy battles, but I doubt that changes your mind in on them. I'll just say that the anachronistic nature of the "space warfare" works goes well with Galactic Empire (which is itself anachronistic) and, in the bigger picture, the theme of history repeating itself. But for the most part, I believe it was a contrivance on the author's part. Still an enjoyable aspect.
>>139020607
>Still an enjoyable aspect
He literally just told you it wasn't.
>>139020586
Britain certainly reached a state of total war during the second world war. As have any other country where the lines between military and civilian life disappear. I would say it is hard to reach a state of war in a state as large as the Empire because the war would likely only concern a fraction of the planets between the FPA and Odin.
But yes, your point about the money supply wouldn't make any sense. Although again, Phezzan was a major trading planet. It wouldn't make any sense for some minor country to serve as a galactic bank if there wasn't significant demand for its goods and services.
>>139020754
>Britain certainly reached a state of total war during the second world war.
No they didn't they and historians just say they did *true* total war is unattainable by human states because you can't control every action of every individual. That's neither here nor there though.
>It wouldn't make any sense for some minor country to serve as a galactic bank if there wasn't significant demand for its goods and services.
That's another thing that always bugged me. The talk of the "galaxy" makes no sense. they roughly control half and half right? Well a Galaxy is huge, domestic trade should be more than enough to get a hold of any resource you need, Phezzan in that regard should also be irrelevant.
>>139001560
It's very good, but it's also filled to the brim with long exposition sequences and entire filler monologues. In general, it's crushingly slow paced. I wouldn't know for sure, but they may have tried to do a straight and perfectly faithful adaptation of the novels (not LIGHT novels), which isn't always the best way to do an anime adaptation. Still, I think almost anyone who's watched it would recommend it. Give it ten episodes to grow on you.
>>139020665
I meant in the subjective sense, that sure you haven't found enjoyment in it but possible that someone could like it for the exact reason you dislike it. Should've said "Still a subjective aspect"
>>139020840
>*true* total war is unattainable by human states because you can't control every action of every individual.
That's a pretty silly definition. I'd say the total means that war inescapably envelopes the whole of society. Of course there are degrees of total war, but there is certainly a line a nation can cross which comes before total obedience.
>Phezzan in that regard should also be irrelevant
Phezzan is definitively a simplification, but not an impractical actor. It serves a similar historical role to Switzerland, a neutral place where individuals from either side can come together to meet and trade. The fact that it is the only such place implies that it has importance to both sides.
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>>139019785
Sometimes they remember the Z-axis exists
>>139021122
>the whole of society
>whole
And there's where the tricky lawyerspeak comes in. It's impossible for it to truly involve the whole of society, a guy out in the fields not giving a fuck pretty much stops your definition in its tracks.
>It serves a similar historical role to Switzerland
I know they were trying to get at that I'm saying it doesn't make sense or translate well to the scales involved.
>>139021273
>a guy out in the fields not giving a fuck pretty much stops your definition in its tracks.
Except that guy out in the field starts having to sell his crops to the military for a discount, or maybe even just an IOU because they are broke. What money he does make no longer goes as far, since trade constraints have caused shortages of imported goods, like sugar and metals, and the resulting inflation has raised all of the prices. And maybe one day that farmers field is bombed and he has to evacuate. Or his farmhouse is commandeered by the government to become a military outpost and he is evicted.
>>139021391
>Except that guy out in the field starts having to sell his crops to the military for a discount
The guy in the fields doesn't have crops. He isn't farming the fields he's just some guy enjoying the nice day.
>>139021237
And when they do, it's glorious
>>139005772
Outlaw Star
I didn't fully appreciate the show until it was over. Now I miss it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U8vI0hSRiM
>>139022037
Like
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Bitch
Hyouge Mono is better
>>139005772
I felt like Monster was the more enjoyable extremely long narrative-driven series.
