"Our powers are in a relationship of superiority!" — Sakazuki states the reason of how he defeated Ace
So far we have seen three such relationships (pic.) except Kizaru's light/laser. So what's superiorit to light and balancing Blackbeard black hole?
>>138993602
Actually the only ones shown so far have Been
Akainu >ace
Baby 5>mr.1
Kuzan>monet
Gladis >mr.5
Mavise>miss Valentine
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>>138995688
I wanna disagree with the Baby5/Mr.1. Even though Daz can't replicate nearly the number of weapons Baby 5 can, Daz has his iron guard ability to make his body as hard as steel, which sound like a premature Armament Haki. Zoro literally had to have the ability to cut steel to take him out. That's not something Baby 5 can do.
>>138997883
cant disagree. oda said it himself in an sbs
light > lightning.
nigger u dum
>>138998054
I'm looking, seeing mentioning of it, but I can't find it. Mind helping me out?
I'm not saying Daz is superior, I'm saying they seem not equivalent. If I were to compare the two, Baby 5 because >muh atom bomb
>>138998240
Light is a photon, lightning is a discharge of electrons. Not the same.
>>138993602
completely disagree with fucking aokiji beating monet holy shit
>>138998440
Daz only seems superior because of his muscular build and the fact that he was set up to be Zoro's rival.
Oda intended (maybe retroactively) for his fruit to be a strict subset of baby 5's fruit.
>>138998825
Aokiji's fruit is more powerful.
I'm all for Monet, but in raw potential of the fruits Aokiji's is stronger, Oda said so.She's still gonna kick his ass in the Strawhat v. Blackbeard matchup. Fruits aren't everything.
>>138998990
Ice can do more than snow, which is just segmented individual flakes of ice. If Kzan had the snow fruit though, he'd still be stronger because he's was a navy admiral who applied himself.
>>138993602
enel > kizaru
light is just a subset of lightning
You know, I thought about it, and Baby 5 is best girl.
>>138999541
>>138999163
I hope we get a fight between them. It's the old gladitor matchup, slow and strong versus quick and fragile, a lot of interesting ice and snow attacks blasting at each other, and I'm sure by the time they fight Haki will have some sort of responding counter so this isn't just a one-punch fight.
>>138999631
>>138998240
http://www.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_difference_between_light_and_lightning
bet you guys are baiting me, in which case 6/10 for applying yourself
>>138999163
I mean remember all devil fruits can be applied in anyway as long as the user is imaginative. I think that Monet could beat Aokiji just based off the fact that I can't think of a practical application of ice that snow doesn't have, and she could do some cool stuff with snow that ice can't (ice is brittle vs snow that is flexible/permeable)
Kizaru's fruit appears to just be VISIBLE light which is an incredibly small domain of the electromagnetic spectrum
I doubt that Oda will think to make an electromagnetic spectrum fruit but it's interesting to muse at
>>138999863
>Aokiji launches glaciers
>Monet counters with an avalanche and summoning snow monsters that dart out and attack
>while hiding inside one of the constructs she jabs in stabs with her picks, Aokiji haki punches her in the chest and she goes flying
>the constructs and blizzard collapse, as she struggles to get up snow and ice are crashing about, and she intangibles just as he delivers a finale stomp
>start manipulating each other, Monet making Aokiji's ice more misshapen and less compact, Aokiji trying to lock her up and slow her down
It would be a badass fight.
>>138993602
>Gravity
I thought that was a Paramecia myself.
>>139000195
But zoro made monet shit herself, are you telling me that he is aokiji level?
>>139000369
It is a paramecia
>>139000369
Me too
>>139000369
It is
>>139000397
>But zoro made monet shit herself, are you telling me that he is aokiji level?
Haki intimidation isn't indicative of endgame powersets.
>>138993602
if theres a snow snow fruit, and a thunder thunder fruit, there must be a rain rain fruit
>>139000522
>haki intimidation
Zoro doesnt have haoshoku
Has there been a gold gold fruit yet? A king Midas villain would be sweet
>>138999713
You're a fucking idiot.
>>139000755
Did you not watch the trailers for Film Gold?
>>139000755
the new movie
>>139000789
Very persuasive argument.
>>139000640
Still doesn't change any sort of endgame status. Being scared of the second-most powerful Strawhat having the ability to get past your logia powers is understandable when usually you can just pass through it, there wasn't any record he had haki before this. And she wasn't scared enough to try to still attack him after she was split in half. Being spooked for a small while means nothing.
>>138993602
Horizontal - thermodynamics
Vertical - fundamental forces
Somebody will have logia to control any electroweak interaction.
Why assume Kizaru is the lesser?
>>139001085
Because we haven't got the Laser logia yet.
>>139001120
I don't like that line of reasoning
>>139001188
Well fuck you you nitpicky little shit, I'm not beholden to your fucking logical analysis. 'oooh I don't like that thought a bwooo bwooo bwooo i eat poopoo' fuck you period-less bug-eyed inbred cuckist piece of crap I'll deck ya, I'll fucking deck ya in da gabba, ya cunt.
>>139001273
I almost laughed in class, thanks man
>>138998240
Lightning is way more destructive and versatile while light has only more speed and can only travel in one direction.
Lightning> Light
>>138993602
When will we get a vampire loli with the legendary zoan vampire fruit
>>139001671
The same day we get a human human fruit: model negro
>>139001917
>human
>>138993918
How the fuck did luffy even learn about ninjas?
>>139002612
Late night Rayleigh storytime in the jungle
>>138998825
>>138999163
>muh waifu
Arara, you are getting carried away by boobs.
Kuzan's fruit is superior as it doesn't just forms ice but also freezes things. Also hes fucking great as a character, and Monet wasn't (ignoring if shes alive or not and all that bullshit)
>>139000113
Or maybe he could be making gamma rays, but is too ignorant or lazy. Or he can and will, if he ever struggles.
>>138993602
How do you defeat something which has no mass?
How do you even fight it?
>>139003293
By forcing it to have mass again. That is by haki punching it.
If you are asking about what is the hard counter for Kizaru (as water for Croc, etc) then maybe a mirror for his fast movement, but if hes using his lazer attack just get out of the way.
Is Bon Clay's fruit then superior to Kinemon's?
>>139004731
Can Bon Clay produce clothes when he transforms? I think he just does bodies.
>>139004821
You are correct, but isn't disguising as a human in different cloths more convincing than wearing the cloths of another but replicating the features?
>>139004897
The point of Bon Clay's fruit is to disguise yourself as another but I don't think that's the point of Kinemon's. It raises another argument about whether or not the creative uses of a fruit makes it a more powerful version of another. As in Doffy can use his strings to simulate flying but would you call his fruit a less powerful version of a fruit that can fly anywhere?
>>139005095
I agree. For example, since Bellamy is a spring man, he could replicate Luffy's gear 2 probably better and safer than Luffy could, if he applied himself.
>>138995688
>Mavise>miss Valentine
whats the difference? They work in different units?
>>139005198
Huh, how?
>make his veins springs or something like that
Doesn't seems like it would work, and no reason for it to be safer.
Can anyone think of another fruit that lets you acces a gear? Not necesarly the same ones as Luffy.
Most body modification paramecias are actually much less creative than the Gomu. These users (Jozu, Daz, Bellamy) are way less interesting than substance producers (Galdino, Magellan, Doffy)
>>139005465
What do you mean by "gear"? Because if you mean "increase strength" Ace's fruit did that for Sabo since it allowed Sabo to add fire to his already powerful attacks.
>>139006389
I mean using the user's biology to acces a stronger state than the base one with just the DF. Obviously, many DF make you stronger since the beggining. But You can't play with your new biology to actually do useful stuff.
I guess Capone could instal machinery inside his own body, so he could improve himself that way.
>>139006659
Maybe Scratchman could use his music to force his body to do something if his music is anything like or superior to Brooks music.
And a sidenote about Capone; I wonder if he can use his castle powers to reconstruct his body to look like someone else. And if so, could he simulate Luffys gears?
>>139006937
Oh yeah, that reminds me. Could you compare Capone's powers to Wapol's?
>>139007060
Can capone use his powers on anything besides his body? If so, then maybe.
>>138993602
So if someone shot a bullet threw blackbeards head, would he die?
>>139007194
Depends on the situation as his plot armor is thick
>>139007194
He's a Logia, but feels double the pain.
So, idk. He probably can't be killed by non haki attacks, even if they hurt a lot.
Actually, now I remember that Ace actually impaled him with fire spears, but then he was fine, so I guess thats the confirmation of what I said above.
>>139007439
>>139007460
What if it was seastone or coated with haki?
>>139009613
Well, if it is haki coated, then hes dead.
But the seastone's role in that is not very clear to me. Doesn't seastone just make an user weak, and (if restrained by it) unable to activate his DF? (while the user won't use his passive habilities).
If a logia were to be shoot with a seastone bullet, and managed to turn into the elemental state, the bullet wouldn't kill him. (But in BB's case, it would cause pain equivalent to two bullets)
>>139009998
Does BB still feel the double pain when not using his darkness powers? If he did have seastone cuffs on or was shot by a seastone bullet wouldn't it negate all DF powers which includes the double pain?
>>139010226
Good question. Maybe if enough people send it to Oda, he'll give an ambiguous answer, or choose a "BB's dick is darkness too?" question instead.
