Do harem protagonists get better than this? Is this the peak?
It's not a harem he has a girlfriend.
>>138814365
>[gently walking intensifies]
>>138814365
Every harem fanbase admits watching a harem except for the monogatari fanbase.
It's a harem, plain and simple. I'm too tired to argue it but you should know by now that this shit is as harem as harem gets.
It's kind of unfair to compare regular protags to sensei, but SZS is a harem after all.
Keima from TWGOK was good.
>>138814475
Actually, a lot of harem fanbases hate it when you call their favorite show a harem.
For example, Steins;Gate.
>>138814475
Anon please explain. I know you have the time.
KonoSuba MC
>>138814807
That would mean acknowledging that the series is mediocre and got an undeserved popularity boost due to the harem elements, which is the case for s;g.
>>138814475
I admit I'm watching a harem with monogatari.
What's so great about araragi?
>>138816410
Nothing, OP is shitposting.
>>138816410
All girls wants his dick aka harem
He can do what he wants to those girls : no police,no parents
>>138816555
So just like every harem MC
His self-loathing.
>>138816410
Voice actor
>>138814104
Zenkichi but Medaka Box isn't harem.
>>138816650
Maybe I'm just too used to his VA being connected to araragi but whenever I hear his VA talk in Haikyuu as the assistant coach it just feels so wrong.
>>138814104
I can name you a few. But none has a better VA.
>>138814475
I think the misunderstanding of the harem genre is from the fact that people think there is supposed to be a possibility of a harem ending for it to count as a harem. This isnt the case though. Harem is any show with a large ammount of girls intrested in one guy. Doesent need to be even serious intrest. Ranma is harem, Konosuba is harem, even monotagari is harem.
>>138816410
>What's so great about araragi?
he doesn't trigger intense hatred from anyone. which is a skill in and of itself for a harem protag. typically they're the most hated member of the cast.
other then that i think there is genuine approval for his depraved nature, his wandering eyes and hands and his willingness to play the fool. Overall he's definitely not a bad harem protag. He even has some pretty good moments which largely outweigh the cringy ones.
>>138816713
You srs? All the cunts want in on dat medaka's box
>>138816713
>"who's a better harem protag?"
>this one guy who's not a harem protag
Bruh. I like Medaka Box, but come on.
Although I guess he's got, what, three girls after his dick? Medaka, Shiranui, rotting chick? I suppose his VP too. But I think that feeds into this:
>>138816737
I feel like Harems need more than just a guy who has a bunch of girls after him. There's something about the nature of the character relationships and the focus of the show, specifically on those relationships, that matters too.
>It's another "MONOGATARI TOTALLY ISN'T A HAREM GUYS I SWEAR" episode.
No, this was the peak.
Why is Bakemonogatari so fucking overrated? Is it because it tries to sell lewdness with the "yeah but it's ART" excuse?
>>138816784
remove snake faggot
>>138816784
>not a LN harem
>>138816926
I think it's great just suffers from too much talking. I mean the padding kind.
>>138816784
I recently noticed a linear correlation between hair length and Best Girl Possibility score. The longer the hair means higher best girl possibility. You know, how Gahara and Hanekawa started out strong and Kanbaru not so much, but now Kanbaru is best girl while Mayoi always had a strong presence.
>>138816926
In that case it's actually art. Nisioisin's story and characters, interesting direction, amazing VAs performance, best girls.
>>138816818
To my understanding pretty much any show that has more than 2 characters showing intrest toward one character gets the harem tag. Though the show also needs to show a lot of focus on this fact for it to count. Monotagari pretty much fits the bill. The fact that its not the main theme of the show is irelevant. Most good harems dont focus on the love part, its usually there for comedy and for shipperfags to argue about.
>>138817019
then snake wouldnt be shit, which is wrong. snake is shit.
Just Kissshot
>>138816926
Why do you care so much about dying anime that will be forgotten in 5 years ?
LN harems are there for fanservice and cute girls ,not for story
>>138817081
> will be forgotten in 5 years ?
> 7 years of high sales in Japan
> threads everyday
>>138817081
Lurk for another 3 years before you post boi.
>>138817166
>>138816718
My exact same thoughts. Characters like Choromatsu are fine but that pussy guy is horrible
Depends on what you want in your harem MC, I guess.
>>138817145
Those daily threads often get bumped from page 10 and live for about 2 weeks each.
>>138816926
what does it mean?
>>138816926
It's not overrated, it's actually just very good. Stop being deliberately contrarian. Just because a lot of people like it doesn't mean it's bad.
>>138814365
He has one main woman and lots of concubines
>>138814365
>the MC having a girlfriend but still has multiple love interests around him is not a harem now
>>138817890
Choosing a girl breaks the harem
>>138817910
Fuck off rakudaishitter.
>>138817597
>Just because a lot of people like it doesn't mean it's bad.
>saying this in the hipster contrarian board
heh
Hey guys, why hate the snake? The snake is yandere, cute and bat shit crazy.
>>138814104
theres that 1 mc who has a harem of girls who fight along side him and a succubus loli in it and he regularly feels them up and makes every girl in his harem have orgasms daily in order for them to strengthen their bondhttps://chan.sankakucomplex.com/post/show/4671114
>>138814104
I think he's a shitty character. He's not a a very developed character at all, all he is is some horny dude who has a harem. This entire show revolves around this boring, superficial character who only exists to mess around with multiple sex interests. Anyone who can read between the lines can see that he has no real character outside of what would continue the plot of the episode their in/what would lead to him messing around with his harem. Its a show purely of fanservice, unqiue and beautiful art style/direction, and a very bland plot designed around the fanservice/harem.
>>138818074
(You)
>>138818074
the show exists to tell you the events that unravel in the story as told from the perspective of the main character who also happens to be a healthy young man with an interest in the opposite sex
>>138817910
Only if you're splitting hairs in an attempt to pretend your favorite series is above being a harem
Ougi has the best opening theme, debate me.
>>138818074
So essentially every teenage boy ever. He's fun enough, and the story is decent c'mon you're just trying to be controversial.
>>138816867
>"MONOGATARI TOTALLY ISN'T A HAREM GUYS I SWEAR"
That's not what people are saying though
No one ever seems to mention that from Second Season onwards said harem pretty much starts to fall apart, that's all. The usual "it's just another harem MC fucking all the girls" comments like >>138818074 applies to Nise and that's about it.
That doesn't not make it a harem series, the harem isn't at the forefront of it though. Romance isn't at the forefront beyond Bake either. If this wasn't the case the series would probably be even more well-liked on /a/ frankly, contrary to complaints the only thing yous guys are able to talk about in any anime is shipping, who the best/worst girl is and ntr after all.
>Araragi
>Peak
He's a dumb, dense and inept MC who somehow manages to make every girl crazy for his dick for some reason, just like every other harem MC.
>>138815468
Steins;Gate is better than Monogatari tho
![[Blaze077] Koyomimonogatari - 09 - Koyomi Torus [540p].mkv_snapshot_08.46_[2016.03.19_01.37.35].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/MyUoqBH.jpg "[Blaze077] Koyomimonogatari - 09 - Koyomi Torus [540p].mkv_snapshot_08.46_[2016.03.19_01.37.35].jpg")
A harem anime is typically a show about a single male character surrounded by a shitload of girls, all of who want his dick.
Not a single person would argue against every monogatari girl wanting the RRG penis, they do. From the moment they were written, they wanted his magnificent penis.
This is not a bad thing because Monogatari manages to be entertaining and there's a reason why everyone wants the MC - he's handsome, witty, perverted but not disrespectful, and gives good advice.
This is better than just "he's nice." The girls can actually list many reasons why he's entertaining to be around.
This is what harems should be like.
>>138814104
No.
>>138818217
>you will never have a loli vampire in your shadow that comes out and sticks her leggings in your mouth
why even live
>>138818150
His harem doesn't fall apart at all unless you want to be a dipshit and ignore Araragi's comments about Karen.
![[Blaze077] Koyomimonogatari - 04 - Koyomi Water [540p].mkv_snapshot_03.29_[2016.03.16_05.42.43].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/5ESz2uZ.jpg "[Blaze077] Koyomimonogatari - 04 - Koyomi Water [540p].mkv_snapshot_03.29_[2016.03.16_05.42.43].jpg")
>>138818249
>You will never have a lesbian sex slave hungry for your manly man cock.
>>138818217
>handsome
Most harem MCs are.
>witty
See above, that could be said about most anime protagonists.
>perverted but not disrespectful
>gives good advice.
Do I need to say anything?
That doesn't make the series bad, especially because harems aren't bad by default, but come on, don't act like Araragi was so different from the average harem MC.
>>138816983
>I think it's great just suffers from too much talking.
It definitely works better as an LN than it does as an anime. The anime cuts out tons of character-defining conversation too (this is usually a complaint levelled against the later seasons but it's valid from the beginning, in Nadeko Snake they cut out an entire chapter's worth of banter between Koyomi & Kanbaru for example) and even then it still gets "too much talking" complaints.
>>138818074
>He's not a a very developed character at all, all he is is some horny dude who has a harem. This entire show revolves around this boring, superficial character who only exists to mess around with multiple sex interests.
The series beats you over the head with no subtlety that he's a guy who attempts to help others without outright doing it for them, but struggles with his own indecisiveness and inability to accept that he can't save eveyone, yet that's all you managed to take away from the character? Hell it's not even the MC's "story" most of the time.
This isn't me praising Monogatari's shallow writing at all, but you're pretty dense.
>>138818479
average mc won't even say they like a girl let alone pick a partner
>>138814475
>except for the monogatari fanbase.
I hardly see this on /a/, maybe it's the case elsewhere. At most people just argue that there's more going on than the MC messing about with the harem, which is true (moreso later in the series than at the beginning) and it also doesn't negate it being a harem series.
Why do you guys get so anal over a genre label anyway? If anything a harem anime that doesn't admit that it's a harem anime sounds like something people on here would love, you guys love that shit despite complaining about it all the time
>>138818479
Araragi has genuinely interesting and well-developed relationships with each of the girls in the show unlike the generic and static relationships other MCs build. Sure, other series might be able to manage to have one relationship in the same league as Monogatari, but Monogatari has quantity too.
>>138818458
>because harems aren't bad by default
They usually are.
Araragi has personality and can hold a conversation far better than any other harem MC can. This is a fact. Do not try to be the devil's advocate here man, there's no point defending shit you can't unless you really, really hate monogatari, and even then you're just making yourself look huffy and buttbothered.
Araragi's a unique kind of main character, love him or hate him.
>>138818669
I just explained why he's similar to most harem protagonists. I also think he's annoyingly dense and passive, which are the two worst characteristics of harem MCs in my opinion.
Btw, I like Monogatari. Not hating the series or anything, just saying that Araragi is generic. The girls are far more interesting than him.
>>138814104
>Wanting to grope Tsubasa's boobs
>Chickened out suddenly after she allowed him to do so
That puts him below any average harem MC.
>>138818827
That sounds exactly like the average harem MC.
>>138818827
Not groping Hanekawa should be considered a criminal act.
Would you consider Haruhi a harem?
He's better than average, but surely not the peak
>>138818805
>I also think he's annoyingly dense
He is pretty dense, it didn't bother me too much though until Owari onwards where it gets sort of ridiculous.
>and passive
That's a plot point of sorts though. He generally doesn't feel that he should sort out problems for others, but rather just enable them to be able to do that themselves. That attitude is what saved Senjougahara, but was destructive for Nadeko for example (which was contrasted with Kaiki's, who's efforts to seperate Senjougahara from her shit family damaged her even more, but stepping in is what saves Nadeko)
>>138814475
because Monogatari fags are delusional. what do you expect from those who want to sexually brush their imaginary sister's teeth.
>>138818955
>character has annoying character trait
>"no, but you see, it makes sense!"
Doesn't matter, anon. Sorry, something like an annoying character trait isn't annoying because it has no reason, it's because it's annoying to watch. Sometimes it's more or less so, but that's because that particular instance of that trait is being written more or less annoyingly in that moment, not because it has a better or worse justification.
>>138818861
Average harem MC wouldn't even have the guts to ask.
Damn it was such a huge letdown.
>>138814475
for crying out loud
the very thread you posted in is proof that your post is bullshit
>>138814475
>Every harem fanbase admits watching a harem except for the monogatari fanbase.
Do people do this on reddit or mal? because I don't see people say this here, I don't go to those other places so I wouldn't know
you guys keep pushing that people watch this series "because it's deep" as well though as far as I can tell fans here just like the cast, I don't understand what part of the fanbase posts like these are even referring to
>>138819087
I'm not sure what I said makes him generic though, which is what your point was. It's fine to think of it as annoying if you want.
>>138817081
>Why do you care so much about dying anime that will be forgotten in 5 years ?
so basically /a/ will like it in 5 years time
>>138819173
I'm a different anon, sorry. Maybe I should've made that clear. I just wanted to comment on a justification I see a lot of annoying character traits, lines, or plot points.
>>138819132
"because it's deep"
>>138819173
Not any of the anons who have been replying to you, but dense and passive are the most generic harem MC characteristics. Even if there are reasons it's still a generic personality trait.
>>138814542
when will this be completely translated?
>>138819173
being passive is a generic trait for this sort of character, even if the reasoning itself is sorta different
>>138814807
>protagonist only has romantic tension with one girl
>out of the other five "girls" he knows:
>one is like a sister to him
>one is like a niece to him
>one just thinks of him as a friend and not even a close one for most of the story
>one barely talks to him for most of the story, and only becomes relevant when she tries to murder him in cold blood
>one is actually a guy and has a crush on him, which are feelings he can't reciprocate
I think S;G is overrated, barely 6/10 material, but you're retarded if you think it qualifies as a harem show just because it features female characters.
>>138814104
No, he is a lolicon.
>>138818217
That's why I like this show.He has a different relationship with each girl - more than just the usual roles in harems (childhood friend etc).
>>138818878
As someone who can't fucking stand Araragi for his shitty hypocrisy, anyone who calls him generic is an idiot.
>>138818150
>Romance isn't at the forefront beyond Bake either
Strange, I thought RRG's romance with Crab is at the forefront of almost every arc.
>>138818211
Nah.
>>138818458
>that could be said about most anime protagonists
Can it really? Really anon? Can it?
>>138818955
>He generally doesn't feel that he should sort out problems for others, but rather just enable them to be able to do that themselves
Whoa, hold up. His problem in the first few seasons was that he ALWAYS tries to sort out problems for others, while Oshino was reminding him to let them do it themselves. That's why he almost died in every other arc.
>>138820777
Her story is finished halfway through Nise. For the rest of the series she's just kind-of there once in awhile. Don't let the party that crabfags throw every time she gets a minute of screentime fool you.
>>138820590
>hypocrisy
wait what are you referring to here?
>>138821026
A lot of things, but the way he criticizes the Fire Sisters for their justice exploits when he does exactly the same shit first comes to mind.
>>138821578
Pretty sure he does that because he knows he's a vampire.
>>138821578
He criticized Karen over it because he thought she wasn't strong enough for it (he gets proven wrong and then drops it, he deals with Kaiki specifically because he knows she can't do anything about it in that case, which is more to do with him wanting to keep her away from oddity-related stuff in general)
and he criticizes Tsukihi because she's doing it half-heartedly, just because Karen is doing it
>>138821600
He still can (and does) fuck himself up pushing his limits. He doesn't think about how the people around him, like his girlfriend, might get upset if he fucks himself up everyday going to see Nadeko with no plan. He's a hypocritical shithead.
>>138816555
>no police,no parents
The funny thing is that he has parent and both of them are policemen.
>>138821672
>He still can (and does) fuck himself up pushing his limits.
Which pretty much means that if they were to attempt the same thing, they'd be dead.
>>138814365
you cannot be this retarded
>>138816926
>Why is Bakemonogatari so fucking overrated?
Thats like, your opinion man. You know whats not? The fact that the shitty Koyomigatari, a shitty 6 min short is outselling everything this season. The fact that your favorite anime won't get a S2 but I will get more monogatari until the day the sun goes out.
>>138817890
but none of them are love interests. Except maybe Cat, but he turned her down, because he has a girlfriend.
>>138814104
Araragi is hopelessly overrated. He's as beta as all the other protagonists.
>>138821881
Define "love interest", because it seems like most of the girls 'love' him based largely out of some sort of princess delusion
if we're just going by chicks he messes about with then yeah it's almost the entire cast
>>138814475
It's not a harem. Protagonist needs to be single for that. The appeal of harem is that multiple options are "possible" (usually there are only two real contenders but it's the thought that counts).
>>138822071
Pretty much. It becomes evident when the story switches to another character's point-of-view, chicks think that he's a lot cooler than he actually is (since he's a delinquent in what is essentially a well-respected prep school + how he used to be like what the Fire Sisters are now)
You could extend that to the main cast and argue that only a handful of them actually like Koyomi for who he is and not some image/role they mentally have of him.
>>138822137
>implying the others aren't still possible romantic options
>>138822137
>The appeal of harem is that multiple options are "possible" (usually there are only two real contenders but it's the thought that counts)
I mean, that's basically the case here. Gahara and Shinobu are the only two realistic endings Koyomi has. Despite that, Snail loves him, he still has that running incest gag with his sisters, and Kanbaru adores him as a person + also wants to fuck him regardless of whether there's any genuine romance there or not.
>>138822353
>Gahara and Shinobu
And Hanekawa.
>>138822071
>He's as beta as all the other protagonists.
>>138822162
He can be extremely aloof and awkward when put on the defensive, but I wouldn't say that makes him a beta personality. If there's something he really wants, he takes it.
>>138822543
I dunno, she's had the most "moving on" development out of the entire cast. She still gets off on Araragi asking her for help but I don't think she really has any chance of ending up with him anymore.
>people think this is your typical harem MC
You can argue he is overrated, but just by having any semblance of personality he is already better than 80% of harem MCs.
>>138822137
It's a harem. He has various persons that wants to fuck him and that he wants to fuck as well.
>>138822800
This. People don't like RRG because they think he's such an alpha, or because he likes lolis, or because he looks cool, or anything like that. People like him because he has a fun personality and a proactive effect on the plot, unlike most generic harem MCs who all act completely the same and just have things kinda happen to them.
>>138819983
VN is as harem as it can get.
Anime does only one route but so what of it? doesn't change fact that other girls have or develop romantic feeling for protagonist.
>>138822800
>harem
Most of the girls moved on. Well not snake as she is always going to be mentally warped. Though fine as long as she doesn't see Araragi.
>>138823963
>moved on
Yeah right, and even if that was true there's no other men in this world to 'move on' to.
>>138819294
It already is anon. Check on nyaa
>>138823888
>other girls have or develop romantic feeling for protagonist
When? Tutturu, Niece, Murderer and Catgirl never show any inclinations that they have romantic feelings for him, and vice versa. Like you just said, the it dioesn;t matter if the VN is a harem story, because that only means that the anime went out of its way to remove the harem elements from the story.
What I don't like about araragi is that his personality feels staged, yes he's not the typical harem MC but he feels just as souless as one. The things he says, how he says it, all the dialogues just sound like a script; they don't feel natural, same thing could be said about any character in the series but Araragi is the MC and we get to spend more time with him. This is more of a problem with Nisio's writting though.
>>138819983
You are twice wrong. It's a harem, and it's a pretty good story in spite of it.
Go read the VN to further educate yourself, pleb.
>>138823963
>not snake
Why are Snake haters so retarded? She's the one who quite literally cut Araragi out of her life.
