Who here likes dragon ball super so far?
>>138709511
i like it a lot but i am a littl bit disappointed about Frost
i really wanted him to be good guy but it looks like his race is destined to always be bad guy so now i just want to see how vegeta is going to destroy him
>>138710074
>his race
>all bad guy
Only Faulconerfags dislike it. Its only problem is animation.
>>138709511
>Piccolo had a good fight, and afterall , he lost
>In the manga he lost even faster
JUST
>>138710291
>Only Faulconerfags dislike it. Its only problem is animation.
But the music on Super isnt even as good as DBZ had, original or Falcouner , and not only talking about the animation.
>>138710291
>not a Faulconerfag
>not a GT fag
>still think it's a shitty cashgrab
>>138710347
I'm not saying the music is as good. It's just that people kind of don't get what DB was about since the beginning. The anime made it more dramatic and serious, but the Faulconer OST and the dub made it something it wasn't, so now they complain about it going back to the basics.
I wish the anime was on par with the manga by Toyotaro in terms of quality and art direction.
Such wasted potential, instead we get this rushed shit that kills the hype.
>>138709511
I'm enjoying it ever since the end of RoF arc.
I like the show itself, the story and character interactions, but the animation is atrocious. Not just all the QUALITY moments, but the fight choreography is absolutely abysmal. The manga is leagues better, and I wish it was a weekly thing that went through the story at a decent pace instead of a brief thing once a month.
>>138709511
Everyone who isn't a 14 year old Brazilian or an edgy toonamibaby who doesn't actually watch anime.
It's fucking awful. I wish it never had been made. And I'm a life long DB fan. Stuper just shit on everything.
>>138709511
It's alright for what it is. I wanted for years to see where Toriyama would take the story after the Buu arc, and now we're finally seeing that, so I'm appreciative of that.
I have my share of problems with it, though. Art style is shit, music is shit, and the general execution of the loose plot points that Toriyama has supplied them with is pretty fucking horrendous.
The plot points themselves, however, and a lot of the character interactions, are pretty solid, I think.
>>138711563
Except I don't think this is where Toriyama would have taken the series if he didn't stop the original mangas run. Think about it, the God shit wasn't even his idea. They were already making BoG until they brought him on later. He didn't come up with the god stuff.
I hope we see more Buu
>>138711831
>Except I don't think this is where Toriyama would have taken the series if he didn't stop the original mangas run.
Oh, of course not. We'll never know where he might have taken it.
Although, to be fair, if the Buu arc WASN'T "the end", it likely wouldn't have been so silly and zany. It the story were to continue immediately, we wouldn't have had the Buu arc that we have.
As for him not even planning the God stuff, that's also true. I'm fine with it though. Remember, he wasn't even intending 16, 17, 18, and Cell to exist until there was a push behind the scenes to switch up the villains of that arc. Toriyama's always had constraints besides his own desires guiding the plot.
>>138711344
this sums it up.
>>138709511
Enjoying it. It's nice note to end my weekend on. The fight choreography and animation quality are my biggest issues, but I'm enjoying it for what it is.
>>138709511
Toriyama needs to fucking retire
>>138709511
I'm enjoying a lot despite that the choreography and animation is pretty subpar but that's Toei's scheduling skills for you, so I was expecting this much.
However, I don't enjoy the manga at all, the pacing is way too fast.
No, its hella gay.
>>138710074
Something really fucking weird is that in the manga he doesn't make his 'i was a bad guy all along lol' speech at all. When he gets caught cheating he basically is just like 'i just want to be done with this lol' and starts to walk off before champa spergs
>>138714408
the sooner the series ends, the sooner they'll release a guidebook detailing what exactly happened behind the scenes
after that we'll know what was Toriyama's and what wasn't, and then judge Toriyama's vision of the series (ie: the part anyone actually has a reason to fucking care about) for what it actually is.
So a huge part of me wants this to end sooner, rather than later.
>>138714408
Either Toriyama's script's is really nothing much and Toei have to fill in tons of stuff or Toyotaro is forced to rush the script a lot in order to not fall behind the anime too much.
Beach episode fucking WHEN? I need me some Bulma fanservice.
>>138710413
Well I grew up with the japanese audio, I don't like Super and think the "basics" weren't nearly as good as the later more dramatic parts of the series.
So fuck you,
>>138714849
Dragon Ball is not that kinda show where they'd go to the beach for no reason other than qts in bikinis. There's plenty more anime that do that you can watch.
>>138709511
Its amusing I guess. I can't be bothered to watch it every week though, so whenever i do see the show its usually a marathon for me
>>138709511
I like it, its sosuper
>>138715934
I'm the opposite. I'm fine with watching it week by week, because I don't have to sit through very much of it in one sitting. I look forward to each bit, because I have to wait a week each time.
Every time I've binged it, with someone who hadn't seen it yet, it grows increasingly laborious.
The movies are by far the definitive versions of the stories.
>>138709511
the manga sure
but the anime is trash
>>138716809
It's the other way around actually.
>>138716881
at least the manga has some decent fighting sceenes
>>138716951
Ruined by the terrible pacing.
Why is it Super?
Super Saiyan
Super Namekian
Super Dragon Balls
Dragon Ball Super
Why is it always that word
>>138717049
blame the anime for being weekly and surpassing the manga.
Super is trash tho
>>138709511
>gohan jobs
>pickleman jobs
>gotten and trunks dematured after the buu saga
>the goku and vegeta show
And you guys say gt is bad
I'd rather have super than not have it, but if it never existed it wouldn't bother me.
>>138717247
No, Shueisha is to blame. They should never have green-lit a monthly DB manga for the sole purpose of existing.
They should have waited the end of the show and only then green-liting a weekly manga adaptation of the anime.
The manga is a fucking mess.
>>138717049
Every good thing that the anime does is ruined by far worse things than pacing
>>138717435
At least GT had decent animation for the battles
Now they just don't even give a fuck anymore
>>138717608
What? The anime's pacing is decent, it's the manga's pacing that's terrible.
>>138709511
I like laughing at how hilariously bad it is with the japs
shit art, shit voice acting (king Kai throat cancer), no regard for the rules dragon ball and z set, everyones a god lmao, food lmao, more food jokes lmao, I miss anything guys?
>>138717674
it should have been its own thing instead of trying to stay in front of the anime
now its falling behind because weekly>>>>monthly
>>138717674
>The anime's pacing is decent
What I'm saying is that that's a very small consolation. The music, animation, art style, and choreography are abysmal.
The films are better versions of BoG and RoF. The manga so far has the superior version of the Champa arc. Either way it's sliced, the Super anime is the worst version of all three arcs.
>>138717499
>Pickleman jobs
But he didnt job, he could win the fight with Frost actually.
>>138718141
He could but didn't.
>>138718593
So what's your excuse for Frost being a cheating pussy?
>>138710347
Where did you get a scan of that chapter?
>>138717499
If Frost wasn't such a conniving jew Piccolo would've totally beat his gimpy ass.
>>138711429
Why is it always, ALWAYS the spics?
>>138717499
>tfw GT Perfect Files & Heroes treat Gohan, Gotenks,etc far better
>>138709511
>story is not interesting at all
>fights are boring
>no cool/clever martial arts choreography
>Toriyama's designs are getting stale
It's just new hair colors and stronger villains. Same shit but with an even less compelling plot. Even with my nostalgia boner, Super disappointed hard. I still enjoy other shounen though, so it's not like I hate mindless action. This one just looks bad, and is bland.
>>138716559
>The movies are by far the definitive versions of the stories.
This is objectively incorrect.
>>138719025
http://desustorage.org/a/thread/138667769/#138669307
Too late to upload all the images
>>138719089
Inb4 superfags get offended
>>138719104
Other than the small handful of fixes that RoF got.
>>138718952
Shit but heck, I was happy people were getting BTFO when Frost was bad. RoF's shitty CGI just happened & people were happy with more Frieza?
>>138719097
>yfw you postponed suicide for this show
>>138719062
If they wrote a reasonable power up for Piccolo, they wouldn't need that.
What bothers me the most is how the 6th universe went from exciting to boring. Saiyans who can't transform, a robot, frost is pretty much just frieza again, pooh was nothing, and hit is most likely the big bad we won't see do shit for another 2months
>>138719118
I now understand the pain of gohanfags
On the bright side, vegeta will fuck up as usual and beerus will demand time be reset and frost's poison removed.
>>138719414
They didn't do much with the alternative universe thing. We didn't see characters be expanded I.e. what if Goku did x instead of y. I would have been more pleased if the alternative universe was Future Trunks' timeline & they brought a stronger Trunks, maybe Gohan, the robot be a heavily upgraded Android 16, etc
>>138719345
He's been training non stop every single arc, even during peace, gets BTFO by frieza6 even though he was stronger than shit cell,
>>138719253
Either a 12yo or a spic.
Either way fuck off and die.
>>138719345
There is that red-eyed namek form they keep using in the games.
>>138719520
Not quiet--it's clear breeza would be taking his dose if it werent for the poison. Plus he's stronger than gohan now.
>>138719530
Noncanon so will be ignored,
>>138719520
>Piccolo meets with alternative universe self and fuses with him
>>138719578
You honestly think anything in db is canon?
Oh spic, for a series you supposedly love you're ignorant as hell.
>>138719530
>implying anon wants more Frieza
>>138719594
That would imply they give a shit about anyone but goku and vegeta
>>138719253
English first spic
>>138719647
Which is my problem with Super. To me, Super is GT all over again. It's not even GT 2.0, it's GT 1.00000000000001.
>>138719685
>anon is incapable of reading that
Even I can read that. Are you sure you're old enough for this site?
>>138719703
So what will be the new 5 episode saga featuring a returning villain and his OC double?
>>138719744
1) wasted dubs
2) the pacos stick together even when looking like dumbasses in the process. You're going to have a rough eight years.
>>138719755
They already brought back Frieza just like Super 17 & Frost is Hell 17. I felt that Frieza is even less of a plausible threat than in GT. At least he trained for longer than 4 months.
>>138719796
>capitalization
I can only hope you're not the anon criticizing someone else's grammar.
>>138717499
Thats not what jobs means though you fucking moron.
>>138719631
Spic? Fuck off with the samefag shitposting, actually just kys
>>138719631
>Spic
Is this kid serious?
>>138720240
Fuck off back to crunchyroll
>>138720401
There's nothing wrong with it.
i like it. im having fun with it at least. its not like i expected something great or even good.
>>138709511
Best dragon ball.
>>138717722
i swear if they have another food joke or have everything happening come back to be food related i will drop this so hard.
>>138721429
Spot the edgy dubfag.
>>138720361
>>138720384
Listen paco I know your grasp of the beautiful English language is flimsy at best, but you've got to develop better retorts if you want to keep posting here. Also quit the acusations of
samefagging, we all know you wetbacks are a hivemind.
>>138720240
How would you describe what happened to Piccolo then?
>>138717165
cause Super means better/higher/bigger
>>138721693
Spotted the idiot with low standards that'll eat anything up as long as it has Dragon Ball attached to it.
>>138722469
>I don't understand what Dragonball is and I think my opinion matters!
You're so funny.
>>138722635
Look man I also watched the show in japanese and have always loved DB much more than Z.
Super is just shit.
>>138722720
>have always loved DB much more than Z.
Yeah like I said, you don't know a damn thing about the series.
>>138722720
>Super is just shit.
Gotta love these terrible trolls.
>>138722760
What is there to "know" about it? It's not some super deep artistic work, it's a fun comedy/action manga/show. Super isn't funny and the action is bland and unninspired.
>>138722792
Having another opinion isn't called being a troll you retard.
>>138722857
>What is there to "know" about it?
It's ok, you can stop pretending now.
>>138722857
Whatever you say troll.
>>138722904
That doesn't even make sense.
>Hear rumours that there is gonna be a continuation of Dragonball Z
>Get hyped after the disappointment that was GT
>Fast forward until we get Super
>Goku is training like always
>The literal God of destruction shows up, possibly about to destroy earth
>Everyone is just stalling time until Goku arrives
>Wow, I wonder how even Goku is going to beat this crazily overpowered son of a bitch
>Lol sayans can actually become Gods now
>Apparently an unborn demi-sayan counts for the epic friendship power up
>Well at least the design is kinda cool I guess
>Earth gets safed
>Fast forward, Frieza returns
>The old Z warriors fight his army
>Roshi gets some quality screen time
>Piccolo and Gohan job
>OH WOW SURE DIDN'T SEE THAT COMING
>Goku finally arrives and beats the fuck outta Frieza as expected
>Gets defeated by a fucking laser
>A FUCKING LASER
>Frieza blows up earth
>Lol doesn't matter, Wiz can rewind time
>The day is saved
>Tournament arc
>Alternative universe, nice, lots of potential for interesting things to ha-
>OH LOOK IT'S FRIEZA AGAIN
>Huh looks like he's actually a good guy in this universe
>Who am I kidding that would be too much for this shitshow to bear
>He actually is evil, who would have thought
>Oh and Piccolo jobs lol
Fuck Super, Dragonball should have ended after the Buu arc.
>>138723268
You misspelled Piccolo, but I agree.
Supper...it's just been a faster, poorly paced version of GT at this point, and with the very same flaws.
>>138723418
>Supper...it's just been a faster, poorly paced version of GT at this point, and with the very same flaws.
Not even remotely close.
>>138723268
>SSJG
>cool design
>doesn't know Ki
>lol
>>138723268
the way you describe it makes it sound more enjoyable
>Pan, Goten, and Trunks actually age
>Bra exists
>Vegeta has adapted to home life and feels like a changed character, continuing his development from the end of Z
>major villain is the result of Saiyans' past crimes, which is a logical progression
>Super Saiyans and the Oozaru form come full circle with SSJ4, which was probably the true form of the original Super Saiyan given the whole tail business
>actually addresses how casual the overuse of the Dragon Balls became, punishing the cast for it
>Piccolo returns to his demon roots and gets to chill in Hell, giving his character a satisfying conclusion instead of just sitting on Kami's Lookout with his thumb up his ass
Why was GT such a better continuation of Z's events than Super, which pulls plot points out of absolutely nowhere?
>>138724677
>Why was GT such a better continuation of Z's events than Super
There comes a point when the trolling needs to stop. This is that point.
>>138724711
>Superfags literally can't do anything to defend the show other than call other trolls or say they "don't get the Dragon Ball"
How about you tell us why it's good?
>>138724838
>How about you tell us why it's good?
The same reason the Dragonball manga is good outside of bad animation. GT is absolute garbage.
>>138724889
I'll agree that GT is garbage. What I'm saying is that some of its ideas were good, if poorly executed. Super has bad ideas and bad execution.
They shouldn't have done Super, especially since up until the last few weeks it was entirely redundant thanks to the films.
They could have handled the revival of the Dragon Ball franchise a bit more elegantly. Frankly I don't think it works as a kids weekly cartoon - it's designed as a weekly kids show with the budget of one, but the only clear audience for such a show is fans of Dragon Ball and Z, the majority of whom are probably older. I'm all for new Dragon Ball but I'd have preferred something like
>a 7-part set of films that comprise of Battle Of Gods and Resurrection F as the first 2, with 5 more being released every 1-1.5 years
>Same story that Toriyama wants to tell with Super, but better quality and a higher budget per minute of screen-time
>Dub 'Yo! Son Goku And His Friends Return'
>Aim for either an international release of dubs in the future, or have the dub follow no more than a few months behind the Japanese
>After cinematic viewings, get the Japanese and the dubbed versions on digital download services as soon as possible
>All of the 'side-stories' like Satan fighting the alien and the 'slice-of-life' esque content could be told through a combination of supplementary manga chapters and online content
>Maybe an online channel with additional 20+ minute side-stories every few months a la Yo! Son Goku
>all of this new content (films, online episodes, manga chapters, maybe even games) would clearly fit into one canon instead of clashing with each other
Something like this would have adequately quenched most Dragon Ball fans' thirst for new content and get those Dragon Ball toys/games flying off of shelves. Toei don't seem to have adapted to an age where brand consistency is fucking key, and something they're sorely lacking at the moment
>>138709511
>>138724997
GT had no good ideas. Super is all great ideas, and outside of the animation, the execution in the anime is great.
>>138725050
Just because GT is shit doesn't mean you have to praise Super to prove it. Super is also shit.
>>138725545
>Just because GT is shit doesn't mean you have to praise Super to prove it.
Correct. I praise Super because it's great. What's also great is seeing the small group of butthurt mexicans and edgy kids who don't understand the series on /a/ who pretend Super is bad.
>>138725050
GT did have good ideas.
Mainly making the overuse of the Dragon Balls a deal and ending the series on them.
Super has kinda good ideas (creating many God characters to show the characters can still get much stronger when it felt they were at a limit) but the execution is a disaster.
>>138725050
>>138725615
>everyone's character has stagnated or regressed; kids haven't aged, Vegeta is tsundere again, Chi-Chi is a bitch again
>lol more gods above the Supreme Kais
>Beerus' and Whis' existence totally trivializes the threat Buu posed and makes even more unnecessary changes to the Freeza-destroys-Planet Vegeta plotline
>fundamental difference between normal and divine Ki only further seals side fighters' total irrelevancy and makes Frieza's power boost utter nonsense
I am so assblasted right now
The people saying others "don't get Dragon Ball" have got to be two or three people alone because they always the same shit.
It's not us that don't "get" it, you are the ones excusing a shit show. I bet you used to say the Pilaf arc was your favorite to your friends because you wanted to sound contrarion and suck Toriyama's cock so hard. Hell, I bet you think Arale is the funniest manga ever.
>>138725615
I'm neither an edgy kid nor a mexican, my friend. I do not pretend that super is bad, super just IS bad. Epic friendship powerup? Check. Everybody but the MC and his sidekick jobbing? Check. Rehashing old villains TWICE IN A FUCKING ROW BECAUSE BRINING FRIEZA BACK ONCE WASN'T ALREADY A BAD DECISION? MOTHERFUCKING CHECK. Not to mention the horrible animation, curtesy of Toei, and the stale fighting coreographies. It has SOME redeeming points, like the Sayans of the other universe not being a race of war mongers obsessed with conquest, comfy farming time with Goku, and of course MILF Bulma. But that does not in any way redeem the gigantic flaws that Super has. Neck yourself.
>>138725667
>Mainly making the overuse of the Dragon Balls a deal and ending the series on them.
No, that was the stupidest fucking idea in the series and the only idiots that liked it are kids that missed the entire point of Dragonball and think a plot trying to force "mature sense of duty and responsibility" when it doesn't fucking apply to the story makes for good story telling. That had absolutely no place in the plot in terms of story structure, character development, or thematic development. You're an idiot if you thought that was a good fit for the story.
>but the execution is a disaster.
It's not at all. The way Whis and Bills act is great, and their relationship with the cast is perfect.
>>138725749
>everyone's character has stagnated or regressed
That's a load of bullshit. Did you actually read DB?
>kids haven't aged
Yes, not much time has passed. What's the issue?
>Vegeta is tsundere again
He was never dere dere. Their rivalry is prefectly in tact
>ChiChi is a bitch
They had a few comedy scenes. Outside of that, she's the same girl as always. Hell, her scene with Videl about Pan was really nice.
>more Gods
Yes, that's how the series goes, always someone stronger.
>More complaining about stronger people showing up
You really didn't read the series, did you?
>only further seals side fighters' total irrelevancy
In case you haven't noticed, only Goku and Vegeta care about training for the sake of getting stronger. That's absolutely nothing new.
>>138725793
Try 2ch, champ.
>>138725802
>Can't spell
>Can't type coherently
>Caps lock cruise control
>"I'm not a kid or a mexican"
I believe it.
>>138725793
>mfw the Pilaf arc actually is my favorite
Super is getting fucking destroyed.
Hey Superfags you gotta find a way to defend the show.
I know, how about calling anyone who doesn't like it a mexican? How about saying they don't understand DB because Toriyama wants to write funny stuff even if it's not funny at all? How about "they are saving the animation budget for the tournament arc"?
Fuck Super I'm just gonna go watch Dead Zone again.
>>138725929
>Super is getting fucking destroyed.
>Mexican child on an American image board screencaps his post and thinks his opinion matters
Ha
>>138725990
>implying any of the are mine
Nice try but no.
I'm waiting for the english dub, since I'm a nostalgiafag.
Is the animation really as bad as the infamous screenshots show? Also how is the show?
>>138726011
>A couple of retards who watch the DBZ dub pretend to be Dragonball fans
>"Super is getting fucking destroyed"
>It's not me, though
You might be stupider than they are if you take any of that drivel seriously.
>>138725914
>I believe it.
It's 4 in the morning and I'm only here because I can't sleep, do you really think I give much of a shit about my spelling under these circumstances? Besides, not all non-native English speakers are mexicans. And using caps to lay emphasis on one point out of many is not caps lock cruise control.
Actually, I should probably stop replying to you, you're just a troll anyway.
>>138726012
Dude read the thread the show is shit.
>Vegeta is a rival to Goku again negating the whole "you are the best Kakarotto" speech
>If there are older and more powerful beings there's no point in Buu anymore
>Lol Freeza didn't actually destroy Vegeta because he was afraid of the sayians ironically starting the chain of events that's lead for him to die in the hands of one, he was influenced to do it
Yes the animation is that bad. And when it isn't it's just fucking boring looking.
>>138725929
Beerus, Whis, Jaco, and Champa are enjoyable characters. World building is always nice.
Gohanfags, powerlevelfags, canonfags, and GTfags are salty as fuck and provide delicious tears.
It's also not even done yet, so we don't know what Super as a whole looks like. Will it be shit as a whole? Probably, but it's more than a little retarded not to wait until then to be sure before trying to cast full judgment on it.
>>138726071
>not all non-native English speakers are mexicans
Yes you are.
>And using caps to lay emphasis on the fact that I'm not from here but usually browse Naruto forums isn't cruise control
Ok
>>138726110
>Vegeta is a rival to Goku again negating the whole "you are the best Kakarotto" speech
So because he accepted his place, instead of being a salty edgelord about it, he's not allowed to still try to pass Goku up? That's retarded.
>If there are older and more powerful beings there's no point in Buu anymore
The same way Piccolo made the Red Ribbon Army not matter. The same way the Saiyans made Piccolo not matter. The same way Freeza made the Saiyans not matter. The same way LOL EARTH ROBOTS made Freeza not matter. The same way Buu made the Earth robots not matter anymore.
Are you beginning to see how Dragon Ball works?
>Lol Freeza didn't actually destroy Vegeta because he was afraid of the sayians ironically starting the chain of events that's lead for him to die in the hands of one, he was influenced to do it
Someone can't have multiple reasons for doing something suddenly?
>>138726165
Alright, Ronny, whatever you say. No go remove those empty bottles of moonshine from your trailer home bed so you can fuck your cousin when she comes back from skipping school.
>>138726059
>"A couple of retards who watch the DBZ dub pretend to be Dragonball fans"
>they don't like Super they must like the dub
I hate the dub. I've always said people had seen the dub only or who never read the manga weren't real fans. Why do you assume I'm a Zfag? I watched it in order for fucks sake it's just that Super
- Is not funny
- Characters have regressed
- Action is bland
- Gods of Gods of Gods of Gods of Gods of Go-
- Hey look Freeza again
- Hey look Freeza again, this time blue
>>138726110
>Dude read the thread
You're right, he should
http://toro.2ch.sc/test/read.cgi/anime/1457837579/
This is the "people who actually know the series and aren't mexican kids" edition.
>>138726225
You're silly. Go to bed.
>>138726242
>Why do you assume I'm a Zfag?
Because you clearly have no grasp of the series whatsoever.
>>138726296
>You're silly. Go to bed.
O-only if you come with me~
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohRk1Wrjsc0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPHe6ZyuoYg
Still better than Super Shit Red God Cyan
>>138726296
>grasp of the series
And how do you do that?
Oh alright I know. You have to only read the manga. In japanese. And if you don't personally ask Toriyama what was going through his head while he wrote each line it doesn't count.
Hell not even that counts, only Toriyama's original drafts do. Only Dragon Boy does, right? That's how you fully understand Dragon Ball right?
>>138726372
Only if you're a petite shortstack girl.
>>138726466
>You have to only read the manga. In japanese.
There you go champ. Read the actual source material, understand the characters, the humor, the action, listen to what the author says the point of the characters and series are. Those are all things you do to understand the series.
>>138726481I can pretend to be one
>>138726466
The thought of asking Toriyama about small details cracks me the fuck up. Dude probably has forgotten Piccolo and Vegeta were villains at one point.
People don't seem to realize that neither Toyotaro's manga nor Toei's anime are the original Toriyama script.
Both of them are merely adaptations of Toriyama's original script draft which is NOT public and until the day that draft gets released to the public or supplemental materials confirm what was roughly in the draft and what wasn't is released then you can only speculate.
But at the core Super is still shallow and poorly written.
>>138726516
I have read it you fuck. Many times. I don't know japanese but I've read many different translations over the years I've been a fan and I've read endlessly about what is closer to the japanese version, time and time again. I discussed about when I was a kid and I still read it now. I know how it is a gag manga and then a gag manga about fighting and how it was never just an action story. I love the old comedy in it and I like even the most infamous arcs and pervy humor because I get that different culture aspect and I never judged the humor as being 'childish" or anything because of that. I love it. I've always loved it.
Now tell me: How does that make Super any good?
>>138726618
>People don't seem to realize that neither Toyotaro's manga nor Toei's anime are the original Toriyama script.
[citation needed]
Toriyama is credited with composing the anime. Do you have an actual source to support any of that bullshit? I mean actual source, not hearsay or some random ESL blog. An actual statement from Toriyama and Toei saying he didn't write it.
>>138726568
Toriyama doesn't plan shit either. The fact that Goku was a Saiyan was literally not a thing until Raditz showed up.
>>138710257
Who the Fuck is that?
>>138726701
>I don't know japanese but
ならばお前の意見は無駄だ！
>>138726715
How about an official source saying EXACTLY what Toriyama did for Super? Anything specific. Nothing of the sort exists. We're left to speculate.
If one of them is more "true" to Toriyama's draft than the other, we don't know, because nothing says as much. If they're both equally embellishing said original draft, we still don't know.
>>138726723
It still impresses me how well he actually made that work. If there's any plotholes it really created I haven't considered them.
>>138726730
Coolest, Frozen and Ice Maker.
>>138726715
>Toriyama is credited with composing the anime.
He has a very vague "story" credit - and,unlike in Battle of God's case, there aren't any interviews that clarify that his role was very involved with the script.
The one with the series composition credit is King Ryo (and only starting from the Champa arc).
>>138726835
This is pretty true, there's not even a point to discussing the canon in dragonball, literally fucking nothing makes sense anymore
>>138726759
My opinion matters because if someone made a comedy work that can only be enjoyed by part of the population it failed. And Dragon Ball didn't fail, so obviously you don't have to know japanese to get it.
>>138727010
>if someone made a comedy work that can only be enjoyed by part of the population it failed
Show me a single comedy that is universally enjoyed by literally 100% of any population. I'll wait.
>>138726835
>How about an official source saying EXACTLY what Toriyama did for Super?
Anything for you, senpai.
http://www.toei-anim.co.jp/tv/dragon_s/about/staffcast.html
>新たにボクがストーリーを書き下ろしたのは
Straight from the horses mouth. Are you done now?
Everything you're saying is just wrong. Sorry.
>>138726889
He does that with everything. You don't need to plan everything out in advance, but using elements and groundwork you laid to move it forward without contradicting yourself is a great talent to have. That's how he writes.
>>138726969
>He has a very vague "story" credit
Nope. He outright says he wrote it.
>>138727010
>My incorrect opinion about comedy matters even though I can't understand the actual language it's presented in
Ok
>>138727128
I obviously can't, but I can show many comedies that are enjoyed out of only the culture they were made in.
Like Dragon Ball.
>>138727181
>you can only enjoy something if you read it in the original language
So I can't enjoy Mozart's Don Giovanni if I don't know italian?
>that's music it's different
No it isn't. Because no one ejoys Giovanni because of the music alone, people enjoy to it because seeing an womanizing asshole is fun. You also don't need to understand the culture or the original Don Juan spanish tale to like it.
Just like people don't enjoy Dragon Ball on the dialogue alone, and how they don't need to understand the culture to like it. And no one needs to "get" Dragon Ball to know Super is bad, just like one doesn't need to have seen a good Giovanni performance to recognize a bad performance when they see it.
>>138727128
That wasn't his point, you knew that, yet you still chose to make rude moves online. Explain yourself
>>138727181
If you have to speak the language and get every cultural reference for something to be funny, you might as well be watching family guy
>>138727432
>you can only enjoy something if you read it in the original language
I didn't say that, but nice strawman!
Stuff is always lost in translation, especially culturally based stuff like humor. If the people who understand the language like it, and you don't, guess where the problem lies?
>>138719520
>>138719647
/coco/ pls
>>138727525
I am 100% sure there are many people in nipponland just as disappointed with Super as we are.
>>138727181
>He outright says he wrote it.
Nope. Your link outwight says, verbatim: "Original Story & Characters draft". That's a vague label he gets credited with on all sorts of shit.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2015/04/28/new-dragon-ball-super-tv-series-announced-for-2015/
>Drawn From a Plot By The Brand’s Original Creator
>Overseen by Dragon Ball’s original creator, Akira Toriyama
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2015/06/17/early-dragon-ball-super-story-details-in-august-2015-v-jump/
>Dragon Ball Super is a gem of an original story, from an original draft provided by manga author Akira Toriyama-sensei!
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2015/07/01/dragon-ball-super-complete-showcase-event-reveals-series-plot/
>I’ve written a strange new story where they finally depart from this universe.
>I’ll do my best to draw the tons of character designs necessary
That really doesn't tell us much. At the very least he drew some shit and wrote the major plot points. In how much detail, we don't know.
Remember that the pre-release hype for BoG and RoF were beating us over the head with EXACTLY how specific Toriyama's involvement with them was. Not nearly to the same extent with Super.
>>138727703
And I read the threads on 2ch and talk to Japanese people. An overwhelming majority are enjoying the hell out of it.
But hey, listen to those guys who don't know Japanese who look up ESL blogs and then source them claiming that everyone hates it, because that's easier than learning moon and seeing with your own eyes that you're wrong.
>>138727781
They really have no standards anymore.
Miyazaki is right.
>>138727751
>Nope. Your link outwight says, verbatim: "Original Story & Characters draft". That's a vague label he gets credited with on all sorts of shit.
>I looked up a word in the dictionary and now I think I know the connotations it holds.
No.
>新たにボクがストーリーを書き下ろしたのは
He says that he wrote the story. Verbatim. No grey area at all. Toriyama said that he wrote Super, now please provide something that shows that he didn't write it if you want to make that case. Give me a direct quote from him or Toei, because what I'm posting is something that he himself said. And in case you forgot, he says "With regards to the new story I've written" for that quote, and if you look at the credits there's no one listed for screenplay or script writing outside of him.
It's ok anon, you tried.
>>138725020
holy fuck kek
>>138727935
>He says that he wrote the story
Now tell us all what that means. In detail.
>>138727925
Your tears are absolutely delicious.
>>138727959
That there is a story, and he wrote it. The semantics you're trying to argue now are hilariously pathetic. Do you have credits for a different screenwriter? Do you have any quotes where he says that someone else changed his ideas or wrote parts of it? No, because they don't exist.
>>138727970
I just got here man
>>138728008
>That there is a story, and he wrote it.
Did he provide exact scripts for the anime? For the manga? If so, why aren't they exactly the same? Why do some plot points differ?
Did Toriyama shadow the animators and the manga artist, and instruct them very specifically on the fighting choreography? Did he do this for both? If so, why do they differ?
What about smaller plot details like Goku and Vegeta using SSGSS in the manga after the fight with Golden Freeza, but not in the anime? Did Toriyama specify if they were supposed to or not? Did Toyotaro or Toei just not get the full memo?
What about the changes to the BoG arc and the RoF arc? Did Toriyama instruct Toei to change and add scenes? Did they do it of their own free will?
I want answers, all knowing cocksucker.
>>138720833
this image speaks to me
>>138728134
>Did he provide exact scripts for the anime? For the manga? If so, why aren't they exactly the same? Why do some plot points differ?
He's only credited with writing the anime, and only talks about the anime. The manga is a promotional piece, this happens frequently with anime and LNs. Stop embarrassing yourself.
>Did Toriyama shadow the animators
He's not an animator, why would he?
>What about smaller plot details like Goku and Vegeta using SSGSS in the manga
In the manga. Wasn't him. Why are you so fixated on that manga like it gives you a point? He wrote the anime. He said he did. You have absolutely nothing to prove the contrary. You are wrong, as shown by the facts.
>What about the changes to the BoG arc and the RoF arc? Did Toriyama instruct Toei to change and add scenes?
Yes. The movies were a blueprint and the anime is canon as written by Toriyama.
>I want answers, all knowing cocksucker.
You've got them. You just don't want to listen because you can't stand the fact that you're 100% wrong, so you're asking about minute and esoteric details like it would somehow prove your "point" when in reality it doesn't. Toyirama wrote Super. It's cut and dry.
The story is okay.
The beerus arc was okay.
They could have explained more about vegitas training in fnf arc vut chose to show a punch of transferring energy which is still a question mark explanation.
God tournament is ok........ The fact goku went ssj1 is beyond me at the monent........ I wish they showed the goku ssb vs vegeta ssb training.
The FIGHTS SUCK..... Thats why i watch the show...... So i hope they get better animators. I want legendary action/fights.
Sound effects suck. There are no heavy impacts with hits, no visual representation of collateral damage on a scale they are supposed to be on. Everything seems weak....
The only good fights were episode 2 with the alien caveman and episode 14 when goku fought beerus and reverted to ssj1. Every other fight is horrible and those were just average..
>>138728298
>He's only credited with writing the anime, and only talks about the anime.
I'm talking about the nitty gritty. The exact verbatim dialog that every character speaks. Every line, every word. Every little plot point. Like the flash back episode. Did Toriyama write an extensive exposition-filled segment of flashbacks in his draft?
Do you have a single source that says that Toriyama instructed Toei to change the movies that he already dedicated extensive time and effort into writing in the first place? Super Saiyan God healing ability? Tagoma-Ginyu? Piccolo dying? What about the episode with the space cats and Mr. Satan?
>>138728298
He writes both the anime and manga.....
Except TOEI has a big say in what actually makes it in the anime.......
The manga is more toriyamas vision imo closely working with toyotaro.
I think even toriyama never expected TOEI to give dragonball the shaft with animators who don't know how to animate fights for a fighting show lol. You would think they learn after gt and put better people on this project.
>>138728496
>I'm talking about the nitty gritty. The exact verbatim dialog that every character speaks.
>"I don't have a point anymore but want to argue anyways!"
It's ok anon, I accept the admission of defeat. You tried to argue the facts, but utterly failed. It's ok.
>>138728514
He writes the anime and the manga is based on the anime. Also, please stop misusing ellipses.
>>138728298
>In the manga. Wasn't him. Why are you so fixated on that manga like it gives you a point?
Well, are the plot points that the manga has introduced, that the anime hasn't, ultimately manga-exclusive, or have they simply yet to be incorporated into the anime?
Did Toriyama just write somewhere at the top of his original draft "Call SSGSS Super Saiyan Blue now, put that in wherever", and Toyoaro simply incorporated it before Toei did? Do you have a source that specifically clarifies this?
>>138728566
>It's ok anon, I accept the admission of defeat. You tried to argue the facts, but utterly failed. It's ok.
Answer the question.
>Le canon XD: The Thread
>>138728616
>Answer the question.
Toriyama wrote the anime. I gave you a factual source and a statement from him. The anime is the source material, and the manga is promotional. The manga has no bearing on the anime. Unless you have something showing Toriyama didn't write the anime, then you are factually wrong. Please provide actual evidence (as I have) to show that someone else wrote the anime. I don't want conjecture, I want actual evidence. No, "You don't have a source that says he wrote every line!" isn't evidence. He said he wrote it, and no one else has been credited with writing it. Now it's your turn to back up your claims.
>>138728496
I thought it was toei who wanted toriyama to add the movies into super as episodic content to drive dvd sales.
Toriyama did not want to do that and actually wanted a good amount of the manga to be done before releasing the anime. TOEI rushed him and now we have this version of super. That and this is Toyotaros first big manga to illustrate. Which is why it has monthly releases as a promotional. If you notice they made separate manga of bog and fnf when those movies dropped.
I think they just jumped the gun and saw opportunity to merchandise the shit out of super.
>>138728695
>factually wrong
How can he be wrong about asking a question
>>138728566
Lol...... He clearly says its not based off the manga.
This is the first time a canon dragonball series manga is NOT the source material.
>>138728783
His original claim was that Toriyama didn't write it. He's now asking super specific questions to make it seem like the facts don't hold up despite his questions not having any bearing on this. His stance is easy to discern, and it's not based in facts. He's factually wrong.
>>138728820
Can you read English?
>>138728695
>Toriyama wrote the anime
And you never answered to what extent his involvement in the anime's writing process is. And you failed to provide a single source that specified anything.
I never argued that he didn't "write the anime". I was arguing that "writing the anime" is vague to the point of uselessness when it comes to determining how much of Super reflects Toriyama's original draft. The claim that Toriyama's original draft is 100% equivalent to the anime that Toei has produced is just as unsupported by evidence as the opposite assertion.
>>138728710
>I thought it was toei who wanted toriyama to add the movies into super as episodic content to drive dvd sales.
>Toriyama did not want to do that and actually wanted a good amount of the manga to be done before releasing the anime. TOEI rushed him and now we have this version of super.
I've never heard anything about this version of how things went down.
QUALITY animation aside, it does entertain on a weekly basis and I'm excited to see where they go after the tournament is over since they're going through the fights rather fast and they've already passed the manga that it's riding along with.
>>138709511
It's pretty like a roller coaster. It can be good sometimes and it can be pretty shitty too. I will never forgive Toei/Toriyama for killing Videl's character.
>>138728848
His original statement was that Toriyama's involvement in both the manga and anime was small (like writing the concept drafts).
>>138728848
Lol can you stop acting like a know it all. I am trying to tell you this shit. Not that hard bruh.
Toriyama only writes the manuscript and hands it in to TOEI for them to wreck.
At the same time writes for the manga which are standalones.
>>138728918
>And you never answered to what extent his involvement in the anime's writing process is. And you failed to provide a single source that specified anything.
He wrote the anime. He is the writer. He talks about writing it, because he wrote it. You are an idiot without a point trying to argue semantics and pretend that he's sitting there saying one sentence as a premise for the episode, then a team of unrelated people are writing the script. This is not true, because he is the sole writer as evidence by cast listings and his commentary. You have no actual evidence to the contrary. You are factually wrong on all counts, and a massive idiot.
>The claim that Toriyama's original draft is 100% equivalent to the anime that Toei has produced is just as unsupported by evidence as the opposite assertion.
False equivalency. He's credit with writing it, and no one else has been given credit. He never talks about them changing his ideas. Why would you think they do? Provide actual evidence and not conjecture.
>>138729004
>(like writing the concept drafts).
And I gave actual evidence to show that he wrote the anime. Not "gave ideas" but wrote. He is wrong.
>>138729015
>Toriyama only writes the manuscript and hands it in to TOEI for them to wreck.
[citation needed]
>>138728695
Yes the anime is the source material (unfortunately).
New dragonball canon...... I feel like we are the only ones who care about the term
>>138709511
I can't get myself to watch it again after the RoF saga. I like the concepts it does but God damn does Toei not give a shit about animating this thing well. I just wish it was a short seasonal series instead of an ongoing series. Just give toei more time to put out a semi-decent product.
>>138729021
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/episode/super/
Follow this link. Click on any story arc. Observe how a "scenario writer" is listed for every single one. Observe how none of them list Toriyama as writing the scenario.
>>138729055
Refer back to this link, which explicitly refers to an "original draft" upon which the actual anime is based.
Now fuck off.
>>138729055
Exactly.
When did DBfags become such animation snobs? Jesus, who fucking cares? This show has always had horribly inconsistent and fluctuating animation quality. Do you people even remember the franchise you're discussing?
I was really digging the universe 6 arc until the poison trick worked twice, Piccolo did nothing really and allowed Vegeta to replace him, and Frost being yet another Frieza. It's not really interesting when we know Vegeta will rape Frost, beat the Robot and the Saiyan until he finally losses to Hit.
>>138716951
the fight between pickle-o and frost was shit in the manga
>>138729198
People mistake animation for art. The animation was never a big deal but DB always looked great. Super looks bland and dead.
>>138729162
Actual Japanese job titles only, please. There are some roles that literally every anime in production has among the staff, them being there doesn't mean he didn't write the story.
Still waiting on a real source.
>>138729198
>Do you people even remember the franchise you're discussing?
The people who don't like Super clearly do not.
>>138729253
Welcome to the digital world. Enjoy your stay forever.
>>138729144
They put animators from non action based anime onto super. They had to use the ones they had who werent already commited to different series (basically no good animators for super)......
Its ashame i say one punch man and one piece are more like modern day dragonball in terms of action than SUPER; a modern day db series....... This has to be the cheapskate series for now and toriyama is putting effort in it.
Was there no episode this week? Nothing is up on nyaa or the fansub sites.
>>138729070
I don't even mind most of the stuff they've added to the canon. The fact that Toriyama basically winged it the whole time kinda gives me the impression that people care about that stuff far more than he does.
Like I doubt Toriyama ever really thought about power levels or anything post-saiyan. Or even what a SSJ multiplier is. Or anything other than "X is stronger than Y now"
Also I like how everything is kinda laid back. It feels like it's just the characters during a time of peace again, and it's comfy.
>>138729265
>gets BTFO by legitimate sources
>t-they're not in moon!
>r-real sources please!
We're done here.
>>138729198
I have a high tolerance for bad animation. It's not that I'm unaware that toei's never been great on that front. But there's some Scenes in super that are just so stiff, so badly drawn, and so ill timed, that I can't help but find issue with it.
I hate to say this Dragon ball super suck it a black hole bomb.
>>138729198
Lol wtf?
THE FIGHTS. WE CAME TO SEE EPIC FIGHTS WITH IMPACT THAT SURPASSES THE OLD SHIT.
SUPER is going in the total opposite direction with weak sound efx behind the battles, weak collateral damage, slow fights. Hits look weak like theres no power behind them. The original namek saga battles seemed more powerful than the fights in super.
Thats why people complain. Action fanatics, dragonball USED to deliver. Now its watered down even more.
I bet toriyama is pissed opm upped a new dbz in action.
>>138729253
True. Lol
>>138729316
>Was there no episode this week?
No episode. The Toei site has a page for the latest episode if you ever need to check.
http://www.toei-anim.co.jp/tv/dragon_s/episode/summary/
>>138729380
>The anime has staff
>Therefore I'm right
You poor, poor idiot. I want a source saying he didn't write it. Do you have that? I want a source that explains what that person's job is, and how it's some special position I haven't heard of whose job is to rewrite the script.
>We're done here
We were always done. You never had a point. I hope you don't think you ever seriously had anything to back up the stuff you're claiming.
Superfags trying this hard to defend this shit show, it's nothing but bad animation, and food jokes
Dragon ball is a real anime and Dragon ball z it suck and it overrated. This Dragon ball z power up fight new bad guy power up fight new bad the story fucking suck I can go on on and on how bad Dragon ball z suck.
>>138729253
Yes. Only smart person who gets it. Wheres the power behind the hits (visually, collateral damage wise, sound effect wise) are lacking. Its like they are doing choreography and forgetting how strong these characters are becoming.
Choreography sucks btw. Also seems slower.
Theres no power behind anything. I think we all came for epic fights. Super hasnt delivered at all.
The story is drifting and lots of stuff is unexplained.
Lack of exposition for vegita and gokus various transformations. Frost being evil....
I still look forward to see what hitto can do.
I want to know who is going to be our first major enemy to cause big tension and get the whole z squad up to their prime.
>>138711344
Pretty much this
>>138729493
>THE FIGHTS. WE CAME TO SEE EPIC FIGHTS WITH IMPACT THAT SURPASSES THE OLD SHIT.
>throwing a gigantic fit because DB isn't HELLA F*CKIN EPIC
>>138729762
Lol bitch you suck.
Dragonball was good yes and dragonball z was good as well.
Early dbz was almost no different from dragonball. But later z had amazing battles. Powerful battles. They should of incorporated the martial arts dragonball had with the super powerful fast paced crater inducing action z had in super and went beyond.
Super does nothing its like watching ricky lake. I see better fights on maury
>>138729769
>Wheres the power behind the hits
>Theres no power behind anything.
Did you miss the part where a few hits from Goku and Bills were going to literally destroy the universe if Goku didn't start neutralizing energy?
>>138729962
>Bills
Go the fuck away spic
>>138729780
Lol when it came to the action. Everyone expected supers action to be even more epic than what one punch man has done.
So thats why fans are pissed because we dont have a show with budokai level action and art or db kai opening level.
Super is awful, but anyone familiar with Dragon Ball at all shouldn't have expected anything else.
>>138729986
I don't give a shit what localization you go with.
>>138729962
That was like the exceptional rule. It was okay imo, but the visuals could of been better. Kinda wish the people who animated gurren lagaan animated all those stars and galaxies exploding would of been epic.
Also. Red form talking fine in the vacuum of space and had no trouble under water.
Blue form came up for air and is supposedly stronger than red. Now all that doesnt matter at the current moment because these mfs are going ssj1 lol.
My biggest problem. Where is this show going?
>>138730102
Real talk, shouldn't you be in bed to get ready for school tomorrow?
>>138729887
Dbz and dbs can't top this. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EEI-NCTsiPE
There are delusional dbfans (haters) who pretend the franchise never had amazing battles and diss it every chance they get because of their superior "catalogue" of "better" anime......
Haters..... Super sucks tho.
And we expected different being the continuation of z which had crazy fights...
>>138729887
This how the attack is top that Dragon ball z and Dragon ball super.
>>138730139
Well considering the animators super have are shit, you got that one.
Its not about the series. Its about the talent working on it.
If dbs had animators like that imagine what it would be
>>138722118
Jobbing means losing to make the other person look good
Piccolo is never strong enough to be a jobber.
>>138709511
>badly animated fights
>characters even more retarded than usual
>POWER LEVELS THROWN OUT THE WINDOW
What's there to like?
>>138730230
Mk. You do know they had a db written and never put out that had goku become omnipotent at the end. Whats your point?
>>138730342
>power levels thrown out the window
Good.
>>138730016
So, any localization other than your shit tier one?
>>138730636
Yeah.ビルス
Everything else is shit tier.
>>138730600
It's the very foundation of Dragon Ball ever since the Saiyan Saga.
>>138729681
>I want a source that explains what that person's job is
Damn son, I'm surprised you're not confused by other scary big english words like "Animation".
What could it mean!?
POST BULMA
>>138731040
>Don't know how animation production works
>Gives translations of job titles as "proof"
>Pretends he has any place being sarcastic
You're a special kind of stupid.
>>138731195
>doesn't know what the word "scenario" means
>>138730748
It's kind of not. If you're reading the manga it's mostly just "I'm stronger now!". Any power level junk was mostly just for fan wank than anything.
>>138731300
That, and they never made any sense anyway. Every character, having trained in martial arts for years, suddenly becomes ~20 times stronger over the course of one year, and we go from the thousands to the hundred-millions during Namek alone.
>>138731240
>Doesn't know actual job title or actual duties and involvement in the animation production process
>>138731614
Then enlighten us faggot. Stop pulling this "nope can't kno nuffin bout words" bullshit.
>>138731647
>I have proof that Toriyama didn't write this!
>I just don't know what any of it actually means so you explain it instead!
And now we're actually done.
>>138729780
See he looks cute
>>138731669
>provide a source that explicitly calls someone other than Toriyama the scenario writer for episodes
>LOL NOPE YOU CAN'T PROVE WHAT WORDS MEAN
You're the one insisting that words don't mean what they mean. Yes, explain this esoteric nonsense that you're vaguely hinting at.
>>138731733
>Toriyama writes the story
>Doesn't understand that each episode has a person whose job it is to turn the source material into an anime script
By your logic, Gatoh wrote the Hyouka anime.
Please stop pretending to understand anything about the process.
>>138731757
>Doesn't understand that each episode has a person whose job it is to turn the source material into an anime script
Oh, so I see you're now accepting that Toriyama isn't responsible for the anime script. We're making progress. Good. If only you could have made it known that you weren't a complete retard sooner.
The entire point I've been trying to drill into your incredibly dense fucking skull is that the Super anime is not 1:1 equivalent to what Toriyama gave them. You've literally just admitted that yourself.
And no, that doesn't mean that Toriyama isn't responsible for the core story of Super. Nobody was claiming that he wasn't, you fucking retard.
I like super, its fun.
>>138731917
>The entire point I've been trying to drill into your incredibly dense fucking skull is that the Super anime is not 1:1 equivalent to what Toriyama gave them.
No, you pretended the ideas were someone elses then tried slowly talking in circles when you got called a retard. Yes, someone's job is to take to story they're given and match it to the episodic format, animation and story boarding. That's part of the process for literally every show (which is what I've been trying to explain). No writer sits down and writes dialog for every frame of the anime, but that sure as hell doesn't mean the dialog isn't theirs. Manga has a similar process involving editors and editing.
>Nobody was claiming that he wasn't, you fucking retard.
You pretended that he only gave a vague idea for the story and they filled in the rest. That's fucking wrong. What don't you understand about this? Adapting a script and story to an episodic anime medium is not rewriting and changing ideas like you're pretending it is. You still have fucking nothing to show that the ideas aren't his, or that events were changed per someone elses orders. That's not what the job of the production team is. How are you so fucking stupid you don't understand this? You've already proven you don't know anything about animation production, and yet you're still trying to pretend you have a point. Are you actually so fucking retarded that you've convinced yourself what you're saying is even close to right, because I'm honestly just impressed with the audacity and fear of being wrong that you're showing.
I'm going to bed now. Enjoy being wrong and not having a point, and not know how animation production works.
>He doesn't write every dialog bubble and match it up to the the particular frames so we don't know how much input he really had!
There you go, I saved you the time of typing up your next baseless and completely retarded "argument".
>>138726963
You made that shit up.
>>138732015
It's a shame they didnt keep the beards, they looked better, especially Vegeta
>>138732015
I always imagined Goku with a different kind of moustache. It fits Vegeta but I'd think Goku'd have something a bit more rounded around the edges.
