Is the Typemoon verse the chuuniest anime verse in existence? I mean some of those names
>Dead Apostle Ancestor
>Unlimited Blade Works
>Mystic Eyes of Death Perception
None of the characters realize how Chuuni they sound.
Maybe it's actually just imagination and the final battle between Gilgamesh and Shirou happened in the back alley of a school where two students pretended to be a Superhero and a Demigod.
Nasu is chuuni as fuck, but the Nasuverse is great regardless.
>>137162530
Search dies irae vn in youtube.
Answer is no.
How about we have a best girl thread instead of this shitty bait?
>>137164102
Anime soon.
>>137164160
>soon
You mean in June 2017
>>137162530
Is Aoko bigger than Arc?
>>137164028
>Nasu is chuuni as fuck, but Saber is great regardless.
FTFY
>>137164485
Yes, and stronger.
She also has a bigger ass than Senpai.
>>137164485
No.
>>137164795
yes
The only thing Aoko is bigger at something is her stupidity and inferiority.
>>137164624
>Aoko is stronger than Arc
Fucking kek. She's hotter, but don't let that get in the way of power levels anon.
>>137164102
I've known about it for several years, mainly from hearing some music from it, but I've never seen it even mentioned on /a/.
>>137165300
True magic > all
>>137165353
You don't actually understand how absurdly powerful Aristosoles and Marble Phantasm are, do you?
>>137165300
Long haired Arc is hotter. She's also classier.
>>137165353
No, not at all. Especially not against Aristoteles.
>>137165300
Vampires are weak shit in the Nasuverse. Kotomine could casually solo most ancestors.
>>137165551
Wrong on both counts. Ancestors are typically broken as shit, Dead Apostles in general aren't especially strong.
>>137165485
>>137165515
>Aristoteles
We were talking about Arcueid.
>>137162530
It's very chuuni but the chuuniest? I don't know man, I've seen some shit out there.
They sound ok in japanese,
>>137165620
Do you even Archetype Earth?
>>137165696
Archetype Earth =/= Arcueid Brunestud
I want to open that BACK DOOR.
>>137165752
Archetype Earth = Arcueid Brunestud. She is a part of her and her FPSSJ form.
>>137165551
Kek
Ancestors are servant tier, Kotomine at his best can only fight against shit tier servants.
>>137165551
This seems like bait, but most Ancestors are Servant tier, Kirei would need some serious preparation against even the weakest, and I doubt he could solo. And Arc is a True Ancestor, completely different level.
>>137165882
For some stupid reason, people seem to thing 4th War Kotomine with his dozens of fucking command seals is representative of his actual ability. Or that he can fight on par with servants since he could fight defensively against Assassin, when his entire gimmick was tearing out hearts.
>>137165862
They are not the same person.
>>137162530
That's because the faggots who translated most Type-Moon works were chuuni as fuck before chuuni was even a thing. Hell, they were a bunch of highschool-age neets who got together to translate literally from Japanese when we know that shit doesn't work, never has worked, and vnever will work. That is why you see such retarded terminology as "Mystic Eyes of Death Perception" when someone with an actual brain might have simply called them "The eyes of death" it would flow better, but it's not as cool to those pedantic fucks.
>>137166158
Fuck off, Commie.
>>137166097
Did you play Actress Again and Kagetsu? It's reiterated again and again that they are in fact, the same entity.
>>137165979
Considering Nasu's inflated prose, it's pretty appropriate
>>137166232
But not the same person
>>137166212
Nah, not Commie. I hate those fucks too. I'm simply someone who isn't as triggered as most of the anime/manga/vidjagaem faggots are when they change a word here and there from the original Japanese just to make it sound natural.
Now if they're just adding shit that wasn't in the original work cause lol, then I will be right behind you with fucking pom poms being just as pedantic as the rest of them, but if your biggest excuse to being a triggered as a tumblrina who found soggy knees is "TEHY CHAGNED A FCUKING WROD!!!" then no, go fuck yourself. This is why we end up with the retarded shit OP is bitching about.
>>137166466
She is a part of her and she even performs attacks for Arc. Alt Nagel which is one of Arc's strongest moves is performed by her.
>>137166232
Not this shit again
They might have the same soul, but they are clearly very different people, and Arceuid is not omnipotent like Archetype: Earth, not that Archetype: Earth itself is omnipotent to begin with due to only having absolute power on Earth and would lose like a bitch to any of the other TYPEs.
>>137166813
Do you realize what you're saying?
SHE is a part of ARC
Even you consider them different persons.
>>137165485
Given Type Moon lost to the Second Magic, I'm questioning whether you understand how powerful anyone with direct access to the Root is. The Root is something greater than TYPEs or Marble Phantasm, it's the center of existence itself. TYPEs are just the strongest beings from a given planet and Marble Phantasm isn't even as powerful as a full-strength Ea blast that reveals the truth of the world.
>>137166829
Are you going to ignore every single statement from Nasu and in the game saying they are the same being? Nasu considers her part of Arc's powerset since he brought her when he was asked about Arc anyway and Arc can let her take control of her whenever she wants.
>and would lose like a bitch to any of the other TYPEs
Way to pull things out of your ass. We don't even know how gods compare to Types from other planets.
>>137166954
>I'm questioning whether you understand how powerful anyone with direct access to the Root is
You mean like Ryougi who is weaker than Arcueid in the powerlevel ranking?
>Marble Phantasm isn't even as powerful as a full-strength Ea blast
Extremely questionable considering Enkidu while not even being as powerlful as a god can counter a full power Ea blast.
>>137167236
>Arc can let her take control of her whenever she wants
Yup, different persons.
>>137162530
Type-Moon IS chuuni. The faster you realize that, the better your life will be from trying to deny it.
>>137167320
Not him but that was always weird to me how can the root itself be weaker than Arc. I know Nasu said it and it's true but it just felt weird to me.
>>137166158
>"The eyes of death"
But that removes the actual meaning of the word chokushi no magan.
It's not the translators fault that Type-Moon is chuuni. Type-Moon itself is chuuni. From the terms, lore, everything. It's all chuuni as fuck.
>>137166954
Type-Moon lost because he was being Gilgamesh version 0.
>>137166694
No. If you were Japanese, you would understand that Type-Moon is a chuuni company. Most of the works they have is chuuni. The only times they aren't is when they parody themselves hard in comedy stories. And even then, they still have their moments.
>>137164028
Remove Saber and Rin, we will see how fast the fanbase dies. People became attached to the waifus in a porn game, get over it.
>>137162530
>Gil and Shirou
opinion discarded 2bh pham
>>137167561
This is pure conjecture but it's probably because Arc herself isn't far away from the root. From CCC the original human genes and original goddess = root powers. Having a body similar to the original human's = root. Maybe being the embodiment of something as old as a planet makes you pretty close to the root too.
>>137162530
>you will never have a threesome with Arcueid and Aoko
Life is so damn painful.
>>137167496
If you think about it, it's a critique of chuuni.
>>137167828
No. TM is not a critique of chuuni. Chuunibyou Demo Koi ga, KonoSuba, and even the Rance eroge series deliberately makes fun of and parodies chuuni works.
Type-Moon itself does not critique anything chuuni. Its entire existence is chuuni, unless you want to say Tohsaka is making fun of herself or the most perceived badass "casting" in the series made up of butchered English words is also making fun of the series.
>>137167792
>double paizuri from Arc and Aoko
I never knew I needed that in life
>>137165300
>>137165485
>>137165515
>>137165696
>>137165862
>>137166232
>>137166813
>>137167236
>Responding to bait
>>137168054
The fact that isn't a doujin yet is appalling.
>>137167998
It occurred to me that every TM protagonist have arcs revolving around letting go of their chuunibyou. In this way I saw it as a critique of chuuni.
>>137167754
Doesn't matter, both are shit
The great message of this thread, of power level wanks and shit flinging, shows that it is indeed the chuuni-est.
>>137168229
Gilfag detected.
>>137168206
>revolving around letting go of their chuunibyou
No. No they don't.
Naming shit in English and German is chuuni as fuck. An entire chant in English is chuuni as fuck.
Thinking you'll be a hero or some shit in the future is chuuni as fuck. When you start philosophizing shit in your thought patterns when you're fighting, that's chuuni as fuck.
When you're making a big show of really simple things, that's one way to gauge a series of being chuuni. But when you go out of your way to name things in foreign languages (in a broken manner), or when you create really edgy stories in an already edgy mood and story, that's chuuni.
No one grows out of being chuuni in TM. Outside of the joke stories, everything in TM is chuuni.
>>137167754
This. If Saber and Rin didn't exist, FSN wouldn't be as popular as it is. .
So does the term chuuni describe anything that isn't of the "norm" now? Can something be cool, creative, organized, or something around those terms without being called chuuni?
Is it necessarily a bad thing?
>>137168657
Chuuni is a vague insult that originated as "know it all middle schooler," intended for people. In modern /a/ usage, not /jp/, it refers to fantastical elements of a work that take themselves too seriously, and would presumably be seen as silly by anyone over 18. If a book of spells is a banality to the cast and plot, we accept it as a genuine piece of that world, but if everyone is constantly acting shocked at how powerful each other's abilities are like they've never seen magic before, it feels false and we can't help but laugh. Only someone young would take that as genuine drama.
>>137169870
The dawing amateur as fuck, Why so hype?
>>137168655
We still have Sakura though
>>137168559
So you're racist and you dislike philosophy, therefore it's chuuni?
>>137170449
>proves you're full of shit
>accuse him of racism
>>>/tumblr/
>>137170720
>>>/reddit/
>>137170757
You're a cutie.
>>137170720
>n-no they don't!
>philosophy during fighting is bad, I want more explosions
>foreign languages are bad even when they're justified in the universe
How' he prove I'm full of shit exactly?
>>137170920
The time for philosophical shit flinging is before the fight.
>>137170920
>foreign languages are bad
He didn't say this all he said was it was chuuni and it is. Just because the made up an excuse for it doesn't matter.
>>137170920
Also there is a time and a place for "philosophy" and fight scenes are not it. The "philosophy" in most TM works is below entry level at best most of the time anyway.
>>137168655
>If FSN wasn't FSN, it wouldn't be as popular as FSN is
No shit dumbass.
>>137171210
That's actually wrong and not even up to opinion, there's a lot of well researched philosophy in everything Nasu has ever written. Recently I read the translated portion of Mahoutsukai no Yoru as well and got a few screenshots. If one where to say the VN talks about religion, economy, conciousness or graph theory you wouldn't say it's not actually there, likewise, stuff like Tsukihime and FSN had their own goals that worked.
>>137171071
So , chuuni is anything with fantastical elements even when they're layered into a real world setting with logical history and worldbuilding?
>>137171468
Just because something is "well-researched" that doesn't make it not chuuni. Using foreign languages requires research, but it will still be chuuni if it takes itself seriously like the butchered gibberish that it comes out in TM works.
>>137171468
Pic not related right?
I haven't yet read Mahoutsukai no Yoru but FSN had very poor "nihilist who hasn't read nietzsche" cringe to it and almost all the rest of the philosophy was equally non researched. Though the only reason I care was because I went to uni for phipsophy (I know).
Chuuni is a buzzword.
>>137171661
So you dislike the broken language, rather than the idea of using foreign language chants? I can accept that I guess.
>>137171661
There are lots of television shows that have characters speak foreign languages, either partially or fully, and sometimes they butcher shit.
Are shows like Lost "chuuni"?
>>137171669
I'm curious as to what part of FSN made you think that, it's not a nihilistic work, read this please : http://pastebin.com/gf6qhLwU
>>137171609
Actually, not really.
Look at the Rance series. There's two characters who live in a fantasy world named Milacle Tou and Am. They frivolously name people or items in German or give them long-winded names to describe their standing in the world.
In KonoSuba, there's this archmage that tries to act cool all the time. These examples are chuuni.
But around them are people who don't conform to such things and can't be considered chuuni at all even if they also have fantasy elements around them.
Basically, if you act like a normal person, even when fantasy shit is around you, you're not chuuni. If you have delaying moments of "the rule of cool" with your muh special attacks or your "this is how i fight muh philosophy" then yes, you're chuuni. Obviously, there will be exceptions, but having read and watched TM from FSN to Tsuki to FGO to FHA to FZ, it's pretty freakin chuuni.
I mean, it's like you suddenly blurting out cheesy one liners (rule of cool) all the time when fighting someone as opposed to just fighting someone and slashing them.
There is literally nothing wrong with chuuni.
>>137172040
Try saying UBW in the parking lot with a lot of people or talking about how much you feel during a sparring match in boxing.
Run Naruto ninja-style in the street.
>>137171947
From reading this, it seems that anything that's not realistic falls under your definition of "chuuni".
If so, and if that's a problem for you, why are you watching anime?
>>137172107
There are anime which are not chuuni. And this is what you're not understanding.
For example, Rance (Rance) and Kazuma/Aqua/Darkness (KonoSuba) are examples of non-chuuni characters in fantasy games/anime.
And while I do watch and enjoy chuuni anime, that does not prevent me from saying that what I watch or read is chuuni. I enjoy FSN. I ENJOY Type-Moon.
I also fully admit that they are chuuni as fuck. It's like with Kenshin talking his opponents to death in a swordfight.
>>137172093
Doing anything from a fantasy series, or a series not ingrained in reality looks silly. I really don't see what your point is.
Like, what are you arguing, really?
>>137172093
You say you read FSN but your "rule of cool" observation is completely wrong. The novel never pretends to be about death game or anything else but character study of Emiya Shirou's mind. Or that it is in any way about fighting or action(in fact most of "fights" in source material are Shirou going over the strategical aspects of it while observing them).
Your whole definition of "chuuni" is pointless.
>>137172093
What the fuck does that have to do with anything?
>>137172214
I'm saying that Type-Moon is chuuni. And read >>137172200
Like the entirety of Grimgar. There is no chuuni there. It's still fantasy.
>>137172200
What exactly does it matter? You're going on about it like it's something important, but I legitimately do not understand why we should care.
>>137166158
The eyes of death is still pretty chuuni
>>137172262
>>137172214
You really shouldn't act as if you're different people.
>>137172253
GOT ENOUGH SWORDS, KING OF FAGGOTS?
lel
>>137171938
Okay I read it. I will admit it's an interesting interpretation although I can't say if it's what nasu intended. Nonetheless that's an argument against the philosophy of fatalism not nihilism acknowledging life has no meaning isn't really nihilism. There are a lot of aspects to nihilism: will to power, moral amorality, etc. that FSN completely ignores and contradict.
>>137172304
> but I legitimately do not understand why we should care.
There's people in this thread asking for a clarification of what being chuuni is, you dumbfuck. Obviously they care.
>>137172305
Yeah.
>>137172200
Well first of all you seem to be making up your own definition of what defines something as "chuuni". Like, you're not using a textbook definition here. There's nothing related to "8th Grade Syndrome" with shows using "rule of cool".
It seems like you're making some sort of big deal out of something you yourself have only made a definition of.
>>137172320
Seriously what are you doing
>>137172371
>There's people in this thread asking for a clarification of what being chuuni is
That doesn't really answer my question though.
Why is it an important categorization to make if it's not inherently a bad or good thing?
>>137172320
Excuse me?
>>137172388
>making a big deal
Same answer I had for >>137172304 can be found >>137172371
People were asking what is and isn't considered chuuni, I am giving examples.
>>137172336
Well, thanks for reading. I admit I may not be as versed in philosophy as you but I found those aspects well written.
> acknowledging life has no meaning isn't really nihilism.
That's my point.
>>137172427
But there are examples that you have only defined for yourself.
"This is chuuni", "this isn't", why do you come to this conclusion? Because seemingly that's just how you feel.
Chuuni is basically a symptom for kids just getting into high school. Where do you reach that this somehow connects to lack of realism, or "rule of cool" in shows?
>>137172423
>Why is it an important categorization to make if it's not inherently a bad or good thing?
Being chuuni is inherently not a bad or good thing. But it obviously turns some people off and makes a lot of fans defensive in a bid to prevent people from labeling their favorite works as such.
But there are people asking for what chuuni means. And I don't really have a problem with what chuuni is, because I watch chuuni anime and read chuuni VNs.
That said, it is a description, and I am explaining a description. Like >>137171609
asked for clarification.
>>137172527
>Where
Dude, I've been reading and watching anime for over a decade. I've also been reading Japanese manga/VNs and reading Japanese boards in Japanese. Chuuni is literally what I've told you it's like. That's why I gave you the examples.
>>137172423
>Why is it an important categorization to make if it's not inherently a bad or good thing?
>Why is it important to call this color black or blue?
That's how stupid this question was.
>>137162530
I'm not sure, but I would Arcueid so hard.
>>137172493
I never claimed it was poorly written I love FSN I just don't think it's very philosophical. Although I'll have to replay it with that interpretation in mind because it was very interesting and well thought out.
>>137172699
Colors are empirical physical traits, that's not a very useful analogy.
>>137172653
>Dude, I've been reading and watching anime for over a decade
Okay? So have I. Does that make me an authority on how to define words and terms?
Like, just from the base definition of "chuunibyou ", it has nothing to fucking do with people talking while fighting (something that happens plenty in western live action shows and movies too, which I guess to you, would mean they're "chuuni" as well).
You're just using it as a buzzword.
>>137172761
You and me both brother.
>>137172823
If you've operated guns before, you'd know that isn't true for black/blue on guns.
>Anime is chuuni
Chuuni has to be the dumbest buzzword to arise in the last five years.
>>137172827
You clearly don't read enough Japanese shit if you didn't understand that what I described are chuuni. You don't participate in Japanese livestreams, or, simultaneous shitposting on Japanese boards while watching anime if you don't get what I'm saying.
>it has nothing to fucking do with people talking while fighting
They way it's portrayed in FSN? Yeah, yeah it does. Got any more of dem swords, kingboy?
>>137172761
>>137172830
Same here.
Triple team on Arc?
>>137167754
>>137168655
There's billions of porn games out there and many of them have much better waifus. The reason for Fate's popularity was the idea of historical figures being overpowered anime characters fighting with each other.
Can arcueid survive having her tits sliced off?
>>137172890
I think it makes sense to rise in the last five years. The decade preceding that had a lot of chuuni works. I think the word rose up as Japanese who grew up ended up remembering the terrifyingly cringy things they did when they were younger.
Like dying their hair messy and wearing surgical masks to school and stuff in a bid to be "different."
>>137172960
Right, so you have nothing to refute what I'm saying, other than to tell me to "educate myself".
The way you're using the term is illy defined and has no strict definition. It's just how you "feel", or how others "feel".
That's a buzzword.
>>137172960
Now you have to know Japanese to understand chuuni?
>>137173089
I learned chuuni in Japanese. Of course I have no fucking way of saying in English, you dumbass. Even in Japan, chuuni is not an easy thing to define in a dictionary. That's why when you talk to Japanese or read what is chuuni and not, most of what is given are examples.
Like what I gave you.
Now if you can't stand that, that's you're problem, you ignoramus.
>>137173089
Like I mean, honestly, is Star War "chuuni"?
Like, remember the times Luke fought Vader? There's was a lot of talking there. A lot of famous lines came from those fights. In fact, most people applaud that stuff over fights like in the prequels, where it was a whole lot of flashy sword swinging, and a lot less character development.
>>137173047
A lot of it is probably due to coming on Tsukihime's tail and generally being simple yet convoluted enough to pander to a decent amount of people.
>>137173126
I am already giving examples in this thread of what counts as chuuni. FSN is also a chuuni work, as is Tsukihime and Mahoyo. To compare, Koha Ace and Carnival Phantasm are not chuuni works.
>>137173204
Calling me a dumbass and an ignoramus? Damn brother, I am feeling that burn.
But thank you, you've proven my point. Even apparently in Japanese people don't have a hard and fast way of defining something, which means it's meaningless.
A buzzword.
>>137173226
I haven't watched Star Wars completely, so I can't give an honest response to that. But maybe. I'm just not sure how the fights were detailed to be sure.
>>137162530
>Is the Typemoon-
Not this shit again.
kids, pls.
>>137162530
Aoko should have been blonde. Brunette is shit tier.
>>137172653
>>137171609
>>137171947
>>137172107
In essence Chuuni is something that tries to be more cool than it really is. It's like pretentious, but instead of trying to pass something shallow as being philosophical/deep, it tries to pass something cringe as being super cool, just like someone who would be described as having ''chuunibyou'' would do something super cringe because he think it's cool.
Now, just like pretentious Chuuni is also a buzzword that people use to describe pretty much anything that's slightly over the top these days.
>>137173307
>it's meaningless if it's not completely defined
So you mean pornography is a meaningless term because it's something that can't be completely defined by law or by dictionaries?
Because there's a lot of nude 16th to 18th century art that were basically made as fap works for nobility and the rich merchant class, but are considered high art today. Even today, naked photos can be art, even having sex can be considered art if you film or photograph it, but in some jurisdictions it can be considered porn.
In Japanese, chuuni works in the same way porn does. You'll know it when you see it. Sucks that you can't understand Japanese or can't accept that terms can be defined so loosely, but that's how it works.
>>137173226
While we're at it, do you recall Lincoln's Gettysburg Address? It is pretty chuuni.
>>137173323
Okay, first of all, just wanna say, you might wanna take the time, a few hours at most, to download and watch the despecialized editions of the films.
And then maybe the prequels.
Because if you think flashy fights where people just hit each other are somehow superior to something slower, and more character driven, with the occasional "talking", you might change your mind.
>>137173226
Actually yes, Star Was is chuuni.
>>137173266
You didn't give any examples from those works except for one skewered quote, which is a metaphor not a literal question of how many swords he has. It's also from Shirou who every character calls out on how he acts.
>>137173089
Chuuni is basically when something's made to look cool yet in a special way.
For example a guy hitting someone and sending him 5m forward is normal cool
But a guy unsheating his katana and calmly walking away as the sword cuts start to appear on his victim is chuuni af.
>>137173474
I've fought in competition swordfighting and boxing before. You really don't have enough time to think philosophy or talk during fights. Unless you're chuuni as fuck.
I mean, it makes for great storytelling at times, but that doesn't stop it from being chuuni.
>>137173467
I don't think so, but speeches for war CAN get chuuni.
>>137173452
Porn is very easy to define in a vast amount of cases. It's movies, images, stories, all kind of that sort of stuff that's inherently meant to get people off.
There are examples where things can be ambiguous, but porn is an entire medium that has actors, artists, directors, who all know what they're making.
Its definition is also something that's been discussed, and debated, and spoken about over the years in various essays, books, debates, and other things like that.
So yes, I do feel more comfortable talking about what "porn' is defined as compared to the loose definition of what "chuuni" is that some guy on the internet is saying.
>>137173506
I gave examples of people who are not chuuni and who are chuuni in this thread.
Having really elaborate names or shitty ass Engrish chanting and taking this shit seriously is chuuni.
I mean, I quite literaly feel embarassed in UBW route reading it. That's how bad it was. There is no Japanese person who would recite that shit thinking it's good to do in public.
>>137173623
No fucking Japanese person is gonna spawn swords in the air and shoot them at people either.
Seriously, you get "embarrassed"? I'm not sure this fucking medium is for you.
>>137173621
>Porn is very easy to define
No. No, it is not. You cannot simply define it which is why Hollywood's porn industry exists. They've tried defining it several decades ago and no one really can. Because what can be considered porn in Iran, might not be considered porn in China, or in the US.
What is considered not porn in Japan (ecchi manga or lightsaber "hentai" manga) would be considered porn in the US.
>>137173623
>There is no Japanese person who would recite that shit thinking it's good to do in public.
How the fuck is this a metric for anything? Of course you're not going to recite any of this in public, that applies to 99% of anime. Hell, most media of any sort.
>>137173719
>No fucking Japanese person is gonna spawn swords in the air and shoot them at people either.
I see you're still not getting it. It does not matter at all if you can back up your fantasy powers. Acting in a certain manner is all that is required for you to be described as chuuni.
You fuckers are so dense. You can't read Japanese or go to Japanese sites and yet you are still so adamant that this isn't what a Japanese word is supposed to mean.
Yes, it's very broad. Yes, it's not well-defined. But it still means that way. Just like how porn is broad and not really well-defined at all.
>>137173734
>>137173814
And no. A lot of anime doesn't try using cheesy one liners for shit they do. But in fantasy works, this is far more prevalent because it has to.
>>137173623
To be fair, the vast majority of shonens are just as chuuni as Fate is. Chuuni isn't necessarily a bad thing and if you feel embarrassed about watching it, I wonder what you're even doing on /a/.
>b-but a lot of anime aren't like that!
Not the point. You shouldn't be watching a medium that has SO MANY works based on rule of the cool if you think that rule of the cool is cringe and no, don't try to differentiate one rule of the cool from another saying that some are and some aren't cringe, that's purely based on perspective.
>>137173721
>in a vast amount of cases
Thank you for cutting that line off.
There are examples where people debate and discuss what is porn and what isn't porn, but the fact is there's an entire industry driven by it.
There's isn't an actual "chuuni" industry, that specifically makes "chuuni" works, and has various "chuuni" award shows. There aren't "chuuni" actors, who are separated from regular ones either.
>>137173814
>Yes, it's very broad. Yes, it's not well-defined
That fucking says it all. It's a buzzword.
You can get haughty about a lot of things, my friend, but when you yourself admit that the term you're trying to define is inherently not well-defined, you might need to step back for a bit.
>>137173876
> I wonder what you're even doing on /a/.
SOMEBODY FUCKING ASKED FOR CLARIFICATION ON WHAT CHUUNI MEANS.
I ANSWERED HIS QUESTION.
If you don't like me answering the fucking question, don't fucking ask it. Fucking retards.
I already told you dumb fucks I read and watch chuuni anime/VNs.
But you're all so fucking DEFENSIVE about Type-Moon and your fucking stupid protagonists that you're probably seething so red in your eyesights that you can't read the last part.
The guy who came up with the term pretty much said that he lost interest in it because it became meaningless after some years.
>>137173949
The only one who seems mad here is you, brother. You seem really perturbed that people aren't blindly accepting your broad and subjective definition of the term.
>>137173929
Even buzzwords have definitions. You don't like what it means, sucks to be you.
>>137173883
I didn't cut it off, I was saving posting space in case I needed it.
>that last part
Heh. You have no idea.
>>137168219
dirty red a best
>>137173949
Calm down anon. That's the first or second time I'm replying to you. My first post was this >>137173427 one.
I'm only explaining what chuuni means and I'm also stating that the vast majority of shonens would classify as such. I only replied to your post like that because of what you said about ''feeling embarassed about watching it'' and etc.
>>137173994
Of course I'm mad. Someone is asking for the meaning of the term and then idiots pounce around who clearly haven't gone and read actual Japanese postings on this matter trying to make their uninformed opinion as truth.
TM is chuuni. That's it. If you can't stand that it's chuuni, that's on you.
>>137173554
I capped this just because
>>137174034
second time I replied to you*
>>137173949
All you said was, everything in the fantasy genre is chuuni with the exception of works where the characters act "normal", which is something completely arbitrary.
>>137174034
>the vast majority of shonens would classify as such
They do. Which is why chuuni seems to arise from people who grew up enjoying shonens and then they grow older and then notice the cringey shit they did as youth because they thought it was cool as fuck.
>>137174000
>Even buzzwords have definitions
No? That's the whole point. It's some vague phrase that's subjective and person to you.
"The song I listened to was very 'generic'".
In what way? The chord progression? its use of instrumentation? Its lyrics? There are a million different ways to interpret that phrase.
Just like how there's a million different ways to interpret "The show I watched was very 'chuuni'".
>>137174077
>everything in the fantasy genre is chuuni
I never said that. In fact, if you read my posts about KonoSuba and the Rance series, it's about a couple of characters that are chuuni in a fantasy setting that generally functions like the real world with every other character not being chuuni at all.
Fantasy =/= chuuni.
Good job being a complete idiot.
>>137174049
Your only citation seems to be web posts on other Japanese sites.
Like seriously? "Some guys I talked to in Japan said this is what chuuni means".
Is it defined that way in the dictionary? Is there some major place that firmly and solidly defined what it meant? Or was it just you and your buddies shooting the shit?
>>137174049
but I think you're wrong
>>137174092
Even generic means something. Of course, chuuni is far more specific than generic, but generic does have a meaning.
Again, if you can't accept the meaning of chuuni as it is applied in Japan, THAT. IS. NOT. MY. PROBLEM.
>>137174144
Good job cutting off half of my post.
>>137174174
Chuunibyou is a pop culture term that is very broad, you faggot. Of course it's going to not be well-defined and depends on actually talking or reading in the Japanosphere internet. Fucking shits I missed the Super Bowl because of you fucks.
>>137174215
>Even generic means something
Not in anyway that means something unless you expand on what you're saying, and even then it's subjective and personal.
"The song was very generic (to me) because it harped on about love like a million other tunes before it."
I can't accept the meaning of the word you yourself seem to solely be defining, and have no other real citations regarding it other than some shit you saw on the web.
If you guys don't care about chuuni being applied to Type-Moon, why do you care about what the word means?
>this thread
I knew it before but TM really is only good for fapping.
>>137173929
This argument is paper-thin. It's so broad and encompassing you may as well say every piece of fantasy/sci-fi is chunni. Are fictional works suppose to be completely realistic? Not unless you want someone taking a shit for ten pages and getting the description of it in a novel.
Talking in fights? Internal monologues? Taunting people in a fight?
I guess James Bond is chunni and fucking Phillip Marlowe is an autistic chuuni with his wise-cracking internal monologues about 1940s L.A.
>>137174328
So it's a very broad and not well defined term, as you've admitted at least twice now.
I mean your point from earlier about comparing it to pornography is ridiculous when you look back on the fact that you point to something been "chuuni" by having people talk during a fight.
That alone makes huge swaths of literature, film, television, anything, fall under that term, to the point of being absolutely meaningless.
>>137174367
Because I don't really like buzzwords.
>>137174441
Thanks for the insight.
>>137174367
Personally I'm just baffled as to why anyone should care about it
Is hugging your family, drinking a lot of Budweiser, and thanking the man upstairs chuuni?
>>137174533
It's a common terminology on 4chan, but it means absolutely nothing so I question why people even use it.
>>137174542
Fucking /sp/ memers
>>137174082
The truth is that a lot of adults are still kids/teens in spirit, they just don't act like it due to society's judgment. An adult can easily enjoy something silly, over the top and fun like TTGL if he just gets over the fact that adults aren't supposed to like silly/over the top animations and that they are only meant for kids. Things don't really stop being fun just because you grow older, the only thing that changes is your vision about them.
Why do you think that people continue to play soccer and some other sports, something they did as kids/teens, even after their thirties and sometimes forties?Because it's acceptable and because it's something most people don't have any prejudices over adults doing it.
Now, you can clearly see that things like Vidya and anime are seen differently, even though they were also things that people had fun with in the past. Because apparently, you can continue to read books or watching sports when you turn into a adult, but playing video games and watching anime is now ''immature'' and ''kid stuff''. And I think that the same is true for what we're describing as chuuni, most people like and find anime with over the top shit fun but they don't want to admit or have a kind of self deprecating relation with it due to their own prejudice over what the ''genre'' implies.
>>137174509
"Rule of Cool" talking in the middle of a fight with cheesy one-liners is a chuuni moment. FSN has those.
Thinking deep shit in the middle of a fight is chuuni.
Arguing philosophy in the middle of a fight (like with a lot of shonens) is also chuuni. You're not supposed to be arguing the pros and cons of what you believe in while trying to kill each other.
>>137174507
I can't argue those points because I've not read those and I haven't watched enough James Bond movies to say otherwise.
But yes, a villain who just HAS to say his evil plans as he's about to kill you during a delusion of grandeur is very chuuni.
>>137174637
But it does mean something.
FSN is chuuni. Marshmallow to Ojisan is not chuuni. Tsukihime is chuuni. KonoSuba (aside from a couple of characters) is not chuuni. Rurouni Kenshin is quite very chuuni. You probably know where I'm going with this.
>>137174542
Did you say "Do you have enough beers, King of the House?"
>>137174756
this is meme psychology anon, it doesn't wor that way
>>137174756
>And I think that the same is true for what we're describing as chuuni, most people like and find anime with over the top shit fun but they don't want to admit or have a kind of self deprecating relation with it due to their own prejudice over what the ''genre'' implies.
This. Clearly this.
People want to know what the word means, but they quickly try to deny it when you do, because they feel like they're getting slighted for liking certain anime or VNs.
They should just fucking accept it like adults and get on with life.
>>137174936
>"Rule of Cool" talking in the middle of a fight with cheesy one-liners is a chuuni moment. FSN has those.
>Thinking deep shit in the middle of a fight is chuuni.
>Arguing philosophy in the middle of a fight (like with a lot of shonens) is also chuuni. You're not supposed to be arguing the pros and cons of what you believe in while trying to kill each other.
So countless works of fiction dating back centuries now fall under the blanket of some Japanese pop culture term that sprouted up a decade or so ago.
Can I suggest, rather than asking people to learn Japanese and spend time on 2ch or whatever, how about instead, you pull out just a bit, and expand your mind to shit not from Japan.
>>137174936
>FSN is chuuni. Marshmallow to Ojisan is not chuuni. Tsukihime is chuuni. KonoSuba (aside from a couple of characters) is not chuuni. Rurouni Kenshin is quite very chuuni. You probably know where I'm going with this.
I don't watch seasonal shit so these references mean nothing to me, but it still feels like arbitrary distinction.
>>137175033
Okay, explain why i'm wrong then.
Using broken English/German/Celtic/Greek/Latin shit is pretty chuuni, my man. They make fun of this point in comedy eroges.
SHHHHHHHH...
Its fine now...
this isn't a fate thread anymore
Now post mashu
its her thread now
>>137175104
>word is Japanese
>expand your mind to shit not from Japan
IT IS NOT THE JAPANESE'S FAULT IF FICTION DATING BACK TO 4000 BC IS CHUUNI.
>>137175223
>complete slutwear
I like it.
>>137175152
Nasuverse is one of the few settings where it feels justified though. http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Chants_%26_Incantations
>>137175272
When the term can be used to encompass almost everything under the sun, it's a bad term that's completely meaningless.
From fucking Les Miserables, to Breaking Bad, to Type Moon, apparently all this is chuuni to you.
>>137174756
>a lot of adults are still kids/teens in spirit
This. I can't be old. I was only 15 like, 15 years ago.
>>137175362
It doesn't matter if it's justified or not, which is what most people don't seem to understand or want to understand. It's actually one of the things I had to overcome to understand what chuuni actually means.
>>137175391
Les Miserables and Breaking Bad weren't chuuni. If you don't understand the differences between Type-Moon works and that novel and that TV series, you're a hopeless retard.
>>137175519
To this guy though having a fight where people talk during it makes something chuuni.
Ridiculous and subjective, right?
>>137175391
Never thought Jean Valjean shouted "Do you have enough handcuffs in stock, Inspector Javert?"
People should just accept that there's no clear definition for what classifies or not as chuuni. Like I wrote in my previous post, it's just something that tries to be more cool than actually is and the problem with this definition is that what is and isn't cool is only a matter of opinion.
Also, I don't know why people on 4chan have such an obsession with arbitrary terminology. 9 out 10 discussions here are about the ''actual definition'' of some completely subjective and arbitrary term.Just forget this meangless buzzword
>>137175579
Hopeless.
Retard.
In terms of chuuni names, nothing beats Kiss-Shot Acerola-Orion Heart-Under-Blade
>>137175427
>You'll never be a kid again
>You'll never experience highschool again
It hurts. Growing up is one of the most painful things in life.
>>137175702
Chuuni level is over 100.
>>137175104
There's no point in arguing with this guy, he's using the word chuuni instead of the more appropriate over the top/absurd to apply it to works outside of Japanese entertainment.
To OP's question, yes, Type-Moon is chuuni as fuck. The over the top names, the crazy spells, "Muh justice" twenty minute talkathon fights under the broad definition of chuuni would apply. So what?
People love Star Wars when it's basically space wizards fighting each other with laser swords and the old west transplanted into OUTER SPACE. Conan the Barbarian is about a buff Gaelic stand in for Robert Howard through a mash up of various historical societies from different time periods with eldritch abominations, heaving dungeon babes and monstrous ape men. It's like OP forget the thing you're suppose to use when viewing fiction.
It's this magic thing called suspense of disbelief. It's as if you don't enjoy fun and seem to regard anything with over the top/crazy elements as inferior to some "deep" work about an African child soldier fighting in the Mozambique Civil War as he rapes, plunders and has PTSD twenty years after the war.
Any dumbass can break down a work of fiction into its simplistic parts and snub their nose at it. It's beyond laughable and I pity you OP, you seem to not be able to enjoyable entertainment and only enjoy no fun allowed serious works about a 1950s housewife having an affair with her lesbian exchange student.
Bored housewife eats out her lesbian neighbor and dies of syphilis ten years later. See how easy it is to break shit down?
Also known as a Lifetime movie.
>>137175695
You done?
We've gone over it all at this point. The term is loose and subjective without a strong or rigid meaning. It's a buzzword.
>>137175702
For someone with a chuuni name, she's still super sexy in grown up form.
>>137175702
Monogatari makes jokes with chuuni stuff all the time. Hitagi is a good example of that.
>>137174936
>Arguing philosophy in the middle of a fight (like with a lot of shonens) is also chuuni. You're not supposed to be arguing the pros and cons of what you believe in while trying to kill each other.
It's almost impossible to get a realistic fight in a book, so having philosophy actually makes the fight better.
>>137175702
That ain't chuuni, that's just a name for a drag queen.
>>137175702
Deathtopia Virtuoso Suicide-Master
>>137175463
Then chuuni means nothing.
Nothing is more Chuuni than the Madara Uchiha copypasta.
>>137175987
Realism in most types of work is not the point. It's verisimilitude and the simulation of realistic elements.
A real fight you can go down before it's even started. A good punch hurts like hell and you can fuck your teeth up, jaw, etc up.
Most of this shit is personal preference. I don't like super drawn out fights but I also don't like a dude to get sucker punched and die on the spot who I followed for ten chapters in a book and now we're looking at the story from the perspective of his best friend, Ted.
Bible is the best chuuni. Sampson split mountains with his super powered beard.
>>137175702
Horsehumper Jesus-Installer, the Divine Incarnation of the Third-Eye of Beelzebub.
>>137176297
Chuuni means nothing in the same way generic and salty and chicken (flavor) and pornography means something.
When you see it, you'll know it (if you know what chuuni is in the first place). Except for people who are so invested in a franchise/work that they will deny it's chuuni. Like you're doing for Type-Moon right now.
I mean, if you go to Japanese websites and discussion boards, people will tell you that Type-Moon is chuuni.
And because it is quite a broad term, you'll get responses like
魔術なんてマジ中二じゃんwwwwwwww
>>137175788
This anon gets it.
Type-Moon is chuuni as all hell but who cares if it's entertaining it's entertaining. I don't even think being an elitist is even a bad thing necessarily. But there is a definite line between trying to help the industry get better and just being a bitter human being.
>>137176762
>I mean, if you go to Japanese websites and discussion boards, people will tell you that Type-Moon is chuuni.
If I go to /tv/ they'll tell me The Dark Knight Rises is the fucking pinnacle of cinema.
I don't even fucking care whether or not TM is chuuni or not, I'm just amazed that you think Japanese shitposters are strong citation.
>>137176954
This is a blue board, anon.
>>137176954
Nipplemod would ban me. Have this instead.
>>137176973
>If I go to /tv/ they'll tell me The Dark Knight Rises is the fucking pinnacle of cinema.
No, they absolutely will not. Anyone who says that is obviously memeing you. I don't even go to /tv/, but I know they're just as elitist as /a/ except with more shitposting and memes.
>>137176884
I think it has more to do with fans that want to feel like they're enjoying "adult" things now that they're all "grown up" and shit. If you tell them they enjoy something chuuni, they go crazy and start going at you like rabid dogs.
>>137176762
せいぜい人に恋し、愛に迷い、生に苦しむがいい. 無駄に使える時間はないぞ.
>>137176533
A real fight is shit. I love martial arts but really it's nothing special at all and definitely not something you can make interesting by describing it accurately.
When it comes down to movies I like fights that are impressive to look at, but in books it's better to show the emotional struggle between characters.
>>137176762
>I mean, if you go to Japanese websites and discussion boards, people will tell you that Type-Moon is chuuni.
The guy who came up with the term said that it became meaningless though.
>>137162530
>implying that "literally fuck historical characters" the game wouldn't be chuuni without the names
I really wish they would stop making anime based on it. Really gives the franchise far too much false depth.
>>137177137痛い奴
>>137177159
Historical characters is one of the only redeemable qualities that Fate has.
>>137177137
No one really talks like that in Japan. Or is that how you're showing us how a chuuni would talk in Japanese?
>>137177110
>I don't even go to /tv/, but I know they're just as elitist as /a/
As someone who actually goes to /tv/, no they fucking aren't. In fact, they make fun of people with sticks up their asses.
>>137177111
I don't know why they would care. It's still good, that's all that really matters. I'm pretty old and I still love chuuni shit as much as I did when I was a kid.
>>137173427
Why? The internal conflict and spur of the moment philosophizing were part of what added an element of tension and symbolic weight to several encounters.
The metanarrative is easily the most memorable thing about FSN
>>137177159
Is "false depth" the new "forced drama"?
>>137165551
Kotomine is canon weaker than Ciel
>>137177250
Well, you would know I guess. I honestly thought every board on 4chan about was elitist as fuck."Not that there's anything wrong with that" ~Jerry Seinfeld
>>137177264
Are you sure your post was meant to me, my friend?I didn't criticized Fate for being ''philosophical''.
>>137177324
Ciel got fucked in the ass by Shiki. Kotomine would beat her semen sloshing rectum down.
It is and I love it for it
>>137177389
Gilgamesh also probably enjoyed Enkidickings, and he's the most powerful Servant we've got in canon before FGO.
>>137177389
Are you memeing me, anon?
>>137174936
>Rule of cool talking in the middle of a fight
1) Fuck off back to TV Tropes where this caliber of literary analysis belongs
2) As a side note, would you consider stereotypical 80s action movies to be chuuni?
>thinking deep shit in the middle of a fight is chuuni
What is internal conflict for $200, Alex?
Can we all agree that Sakura is the best cum slut in the series?I mean, Rin and Saber are better as character, but Sakura has the best design.
>>137177544
Well she does have the most experience.
Hey guys!
>>137177627
What is this creature?
>>137177695
Isn't it sad?
>>137177544
Rider desu senpai
>>137167754
>implying the reason isn't because of the husubandos.
>>137177627
Is that one of Shirou's schoolmates?
>>137177770
Rider is a different kind of cum slut. While you would hire Rider as your personal and private cumdump, Sakura on the other hand, could be the perfect wife that you would show off to your friends and family, but in reality you would know she's a cock hungry slut who can't wait to fuck you. Remember that she's a educated prostitute.
>>137178069
>worm slut
>wife
Have fun waifuing Shinji's ex-cumdump literally.
Best couple
>>137177159
>false depth
>>137177138
>but in books it's better to show the emotional struggle between characters
I think this needs to be emphasized.
Fights, in books, can be really fucking boring.
They're an inherently audio-visual spectacle, and not something easily translated solely to the written medium. Hell, personally, I even find most manga fights boring, because they lack sound and music to aid to the emotional tension.
With books and stories though, their strength lies in allowing for the narrative to become much more in depth, and richer, so focusing on the characters and their story-based conflict is a much smarter choice.
I mean seriously, what is more exciting? 2000 words describing the intricacies of how someone is being hit, or 2000 words focusing more introspectively on what the fight means in the grand scheme of what's going on?
