Who can realistically (and canonically) defeat Gilgamesh at full power?
He's always hyped by Nasu and the source material as a Servant above all others, except Enkidu. A full power Enuma Elish is also much stronger than Excalibur.
So apart from Enkidu, who would force him into a draw, who could beat a serious, full-power Gil?
This guy
Gil is comparable to the bad guy who spends 15 minutes bragging and explaining his whole plan instead of just throwing 007 into the shark tank. Who can beat him head on is irrelevant because nobody actually needs to, he'll beat himself sooner or later because he's kinda dumb.
>>136201530
EMIYA could defeat him since his power specifically counters Gilgamesh's. A full powered Tamamo-no-ne might defeat him thanks to True Deity status bullshit.
Moving into Tsukihime, Arcureid, Ort, Primate Murder and Zelretch would all destroy him. Most of the other Dead Apostles Ancestors wouldn't stand much of a chance against Gilgamesh though.
Void SHIKI could potentially destroy him as well, depending on the topography and how the fight went down.
>>136201530
Both people at pic related with person on left being at 50% output.
>>136201530
Any Type-Moon MC.
>>136201619
How strong is that guy, really?
Some sort of meme character from Grand Order, presumably.
This guy, I'm guessing. >>136201619
>>136201627
I agree with most of the post but
>he's kinda dumb
Not at all. He has the most gigantic ego in the world (which isn't only a dumb shtick, see how the grail reacted when it poured down on him) but is really intelligent. He's extremely analytical and knowledgeable but his way of viewing himself as the center of the universe leads to him disregarding problems in the same way you'd disregard ants which "plotted" against you
>>136201907
That's called being stupid. He's book smart but real dumb. He does dumb shit, all the time, because he lets his ego and emotions rule him like an idiot, instead of using his head.
>>136201619
>The rings worn on his ten fingers that were given by God. The proof of a king and the founder of magecraft. When all ten rings are together, any and all magecraft performed by mankind are negated and placed under his control.
So every magus is basically fucked against this guy
>King Solomon's Third Noble Phantasm. The "|" of original sin. At first glance, it looks like a ring of light that encircles the Earth, but in reality it is an aggregation of some hundreds of millions of lines of light. Each of these lines carry extreme damage values comparable to Excalibur, an A-rank Noble Phantasm. Unfortunately, there is nothing on the surface of the Earth that surpasses the heat value of this Noble Phantasm.
And he's able to summon millions of excaliburs to combat Gilgamesh's Gate of Babylon
And most important of all
>EX rank luck
>>136201530
Purely off the top of my head:
- Enkidu. See their fight in F/SF. Gil shows up and immediately goes full-bore. He mentions that if Enkidu was Berseker he'd unlock his "full divine beast power" or something.
- Solomon, from Grand Order.
- Possibly other Grand Servants, though we don't yet know.
- 100% Arc (30% Arc is a bad matchup, but possible).
- Some of the other DAAs. I'm specifically thinking ORT and Primate Murder.
- Unlocked Archer in Extra, possibly.
- True Elementals/Gods/Divine Spirits with Authority.
Almost certainly others. Gil is at the apex of Heroic Spirits, but there is stuff out there that can beat him.
>>136202087
That's just bullshit.
>>136201907
Well he got lucky because the grail didn't just outright consume his spirit after it completely melted him to the bare soul, and tried to assimilate him, which is why the ego schtick worked, he made the charisma check.
The next couple of times the charisma check didn't mean shit and he got consumed.
And having a personality like his is a valid flaw and reasonable for why he loses, not progressing past it is also a flaw. Andersen tells him as much in CCC.
>>136202087
Ars Almadel Salomonis is possibly one of the most OP NPs around. And don't forget Revelations, or Clairvoyance.
Although from what I understand of him and his goals, he and Gilgamesh would be pretty much completely opposed to one another.
True Archer
If not, the one with the katana definitely can.
>>136201619
Why has Alaya not started deploying Counter Guardians against this guy? Or is it unable for some reason?
>>136202361
Because GO is powerlevel bullshit and should generally be ignored
sup
>>136201763
>Emiya
>Defeating a serius Gil.
EA and Acha is dead.
>>136202361
>EMIYA is in the war
>Enkidu with his Counter Force Enuma Elish is in the war
>Jeanne d'Arc is in the war
For all we know, it might be nudging things already.
>>136201530
>realistically (and canonically)
Heroic Spirit EMIYA
>>136201530
Literally anyone from Magi.
>>136201619
>>136202181
>solomon
>one of the top motherfuckers in the bible
Yeah, that would do it. Only Jesus or Moses inserted in Nasuverse could top that.
>>136201530
Arcueid
Solomon
Some of the DAAs
>>136202568
Yeah,sure....
>>136202181
I'm literally quoting his biography from Grand Order.
Please take your power level thread back to reddit.Saged
>>136202527
Dunno if this is applicable but can't EMIYA just release as hundreds of hollow copies of Excalibur just to match Ea??? Inside UBW, of course.
>>136202753
Ea demolishes reality marbles from what I recall. Revealing the true world and all that. So no, it wouldn't neutralise Ea.
>>136202753
No
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eJM-ppLPTs
>>136202728
Powerlevel threads become cancer when they talk about characters from different series. This thread (so far) has been talking about characters from the same universe. There's nothing wrong with that.
>>136202753
No.
Divine constructs like Excalibur are fundamentally non-replicable, though "degraded NPs with similar properties might be in stock".
Archer DOES state in the UBW route that he could probably create a very degraded version, but it would use up all his mana and be a suicide attack.
Shirou also creates a degraded Excalibur in the HF Normal end, using it to destroy the Grail, but this, too, consumes him and he is destroyed.
In Extra, the conditions of the Moon Cell are good enough to allow a degraded copy of Excalibur to be traced that can actually be called Excalibur, but it's still degraded.
In Kaleid, Illya with Emiya installed was able to trace Excalibur and use it, but this was apparently related to a combination of Illya's Grail status and the massive amount of mana she was drawing on.
In conclusion, creating just one degraded copy is hard enough to pull off. Creating hundreds is functionally impossible.
Realistically and canonically, Gil never goes full power though.
>>136202414
Well I like the implications that Parvati and Ishtar are ancestors of the Tohsaka sisters.
Saber keeps getting all these special snowflake powerups in each Fate iteration, it's nice the sisters get this. Being able to be hosts to Gods means they are good vessels. They were born to be superchildren, but you hardly see examples that supplement that.
Nasuverse aside, would this guy stand a chance?
>>136202283
Who assassin? because he cant.
>>136202982
Easily. Give him 3 seconds and he'll be dual wielding 2 CAD versions of upgraded Eas.
Plus he's pretty much immortal and has EX rank magics.
>>136203033
I meant Ryougi. My bad, was too vague.
>>136203053
Gilgamesh has weapons like Harpe that can kill people who are immortal.
>>136202937
Well it is pretty much confirmed the Tohsaka's with their German magic are descandents of Zelretch.
>>136202982
If you can sneak something past his vision, because he can't conceptually see it, he is pretty dead.
So unmaterialized servant can kill him fine.
Materialized servants gets BTFO.
>>136203135
Gandr is Finnish/Scandinavian, from the Edelfelts.
>>136201810
>>136202283
Are the shiki's fast enough to dodge a thousand of swords?
>>136203132
True but Tatsuya's semi-immortal due to his backup and restore function. Not sure Harpe can do anything about time travelling healing.
Jackie Chan when he don't want no trouble
>>136203203
Jackie Chan is a filthy pinko commie.
>>136201619
CCC Gilgamesh with MFTL space ship and universe busting Ea slaps him into submission
>>136201530
This motherfucker.
>With her Origin Form, she becomes capable of feats like moving faster than light and the reversal of time. She can reduce the distance from the Horsehead Nebula back to the original galaxy to zero to instantly cross the distance.
>If she were to increase in tails, each one would increase her power exponentially by nine.
>The mirror levitates around Caster in battle, which she uses it to hit enemies in close combat. Once its function as a Noble Phantasm is activated, she summons a circle of levitating Ofuda surrounded by a number of glowing Torii, charges the mirror with energy, and stands in the middle of the circle to draw in the energy. The energy drawn in allows her to use her abilities without the need to expend any magical energy for a limited time. It is normally a divine treasure of the land of the dead, that can even bring the deceased back to life, but the Servant form of Caster hasn't been granted the authority to use that much power.[2] Otherwise, it could have been an EX rank Anti-World Noble Phantasm that has the range of covering a single country.
>>136201619
>>136202087
>>136202617
>Solomon
No. Stop memeing already.
Gilgamesh is the strongest heroic spirit, period.
Origin Gilgamesh(same as a Grand) is more powerful than Solomon.
>Andersen: The summoning of Heroic Spirits is the summoning of the Counter Force, and the Counter Force is what ensures that mankind continues. They appear in seven vessels to strike down a single foe. Who is this foe you ask? Could it be more obvious? A disaster that threatens our world, humanity’s world! An avatar of the end that will destroy not the planet but humanity, destroy the civilization that we have built! Born from civilization but a devourer of civilization, it’s none other than an apotheosis of our own doing. And summoned to defeat it are those who stand at the pinnacle of all Heroic Spirits.
>Solomon: Yes, the seven Heroic Spirits are heavenly emissaries sent to destroy a certain evil. The seven greatest knights of that era who protect the foundations of humanity. The original seven at the pinnacle of heroic spirits. The invocation ritual of Heroic Spirit summoning was originally magic used in a decisive battle to save the world of humanity. The thing that depreciated it so it could be used at human convenience is your summoning system, the Holy Grail War.
>Mordred: You’re telling me we’re second fiddles to you!?
>Andersen: Don’t let him goad you, Mordred. It’s not a matter of rank. It’s the vessel, the authority that he’s given. He’s nothing more than a Heroic Spirit in a greater vessel than ours. If we’re weapons used against individuals, he’s a weapon used against the world. He’s at the peak of Heroic Spirits having the same attribute. In other words, he’s a Servant with a Grand vessel.
>Solomon: Yes, I must commend you for arriving at the truth! I am indeed the king of kings, the Caster of Caster! Thus I grant you the right to hail me as Grand Caster, Solomon the King of Magic!
Grands have cooler containers that's it
>>136203252
>MFTL
TIMETRAVELLING
Mongrels BTFO. Now he's invincible.
>>136203252
>CCC Gilgamesh with MFTL space ship and universe busting Ea slaps him into submission
>Universe busting
No. And he's not MFTL either.
>>136203135
They use Western magic, but I don't know if it's German.
You might be thinking about the implications that Nagato let Zelretch shack up with his daughter to repay him for the tools and knowledge he gained.
Also, why are Sakura's arias in German when she was plugged up to magic by decayed Russians?
>>136201530
Prototype Gilgamesh >>> Gilgamesh
>>136203420
He's definetely a better character.
And his NP is stronger than EA but 7 fucking days.
>>136203382
I can give citations if you want,anon
>>136201530
>full power
If he went full retard, then Assassin, since I don't think that Gil can use Ea 100 times in succession without running out of mana/prana.
>>136203479
He can't destroy the universe retard, are you one of those retarded fucks that still doesn't understand what EA does?
>>136203513
The Assassin from F/0?
Ea kill all the Assassins at the same time
He could kill them only with GoB.
>>136203515
He is tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHplmXyRTP4
>>136203762
And that's not what's happening retarded Gilfag.
Every time there's this annoying little fuck like you that doesn't understand EA.
>>136203186
He can deal with Shirou sword spam. The problem is that true NP are most likely harder to "kill" than traced ones. On the other hand if Gil is in lol mongrel mode Shiki might surprise him
Which Gil is the friendliest?
>>136203762
You should really read up on what a world egg is. It might save you.
>>136203928
Shota Gil.
>>136203928
The one from prisma illya and F/Extra CCC
>>136203186
Nanaya Shiki is stronger than Ryougi Shiki in physical capabilities.
3rd personality as Nasu refers to it (Shiki after losing SHIKI) has better eyes.
Void Shiki on the other hand is Akasha so there's really no point in mentioning her on vs.
>>136203851
>Harder to kill
There's no such thing. If it can be killed then it dies, just like Arcueid.
Overcharge only happens in Tsukihime because Shiki had this weird shit going on where SHIKI had like half his life or something, he also had recently started using his eyes and used them on Arcueid so that fucked him up badly overall.
>>136203762
This game looks pretty boring.
>>136204012
While Nanaya is stronger than Ryougi peopl tend to underestimate her when she's using a sword. Nasu compared Sword shiki with dagger Shiki using this scene in terms of speed and power.
>>136204081
Honestly that's not a good showing of power considering those are all normal human speed enemies with more strenght than usual, those shitters are slow as fuck.
I'm not saying she's bad in physical capabilities, just saying the guy speedblitzing Nero is better.
>>136204012
3rd persona is Void. Nasu used「両儀式」for both "defensive fight agains Servant" and "second strongest TM chara after Arc". I think he mean her reality warping powers are second after Arc but her fighting power is Ciel tier
>>136204230
He compared sword ryougi to Shiki in the scene and "normal" to the puppets.
>>136204081
She is pretty shit if she has so poor movement control she gets grappled by 2x human strength zombies.
Kaito Kid could EASILY take down Gilgamesh
>>136204267
But that's because Ryougi is overall better with a sword. It's like putting Medusa riding granny bike and a racing bike.
The sword doesn't really amp her physical capabilities.
I'm talking merely about physical capabilities here and the Nanaya are monsters.
The OG of course
>>136204311
What about Kaido Kid and Conan together?
>>136204416
This is about other Type moon characters. Don't bring up Demonbane or Saitama here
>>136204480
>Saitama
Saitama doesn't stand a chance against anyone relatively powerful in other fictions.
Fuck off OPMretard
>>136204524
I don't even read OPM you faggot, I was referring to the fact that it's always a Demonbane or Saitama argument that turns a thread like this into pure powerlevel wanking and speculative headcanon bullshit.
>>136204357
>The sword doesn't really amp her physical capabilities.
They explicitly state that it does just that in 5 though, just having a sword boosts her through self suggestion. Watch/read her fight final fight with Araya
>>136201619
Are we going to get the other grand servants?
>>136204658
Yes.
Grand Saber is Arturia of course, or someone voiced by the same Seiyuu.
>>136201530
Grand Lancer
>>136201530
>Who can realistically (and canonically) defeat Gilgamesh at full power?
>>136204480
Oh, 100% Arceuid, basically any god that is brought up in game (such as Amaterasu), any grand servant, ORT, Primate Murder, probably Dark Six
>>136204658
Are Grand Servants the original ones or something like that? By the soundof it seems the ones summoned in the HGW were cheap imitations with the exception of Saber (though she's greatly nerfed by the rules).
>>136204788
They're just a bigger container for the Heroic Spirit from the Throne, that's all. That's the only real difference.
>>136204765
>any grand servant
no. >>136203339
Why are people so annoying with Grand Servants lately.
If you want to fight Gil against a Grand then use Origin Gil.
>>136204846
Yea, any Grand Servant can beat Gil, are you mad bro?
>>136202056
>That's called being stupid
The analogy made sense though.
If you knew that a group of ants was plotting against you, even if you were intelligent, would you consider it threatening enough to actually do something else than lazily step on them?
Obviously you wouldn't actually dedicate yourself to eradicating the ants, that would be ridiculous.
>>136204883
>>136201895
Strong enough to destroy the world a few times over apparently, can see all of the future and past all the time, controls the future and past by summoning shit into those periods, million excaliburs, ability to always perceive the correct path to win down to the last details, has two more NPs, and can control 72 demon gods that are each beyond any one servant on their own.
Only a group of servants can fight one.
People want to damage control and meme lately "No, its literally just the container, if he didn't have that container anyone could beat him, he's shit".
However the reason he had that container in the first place, is because he's directly stated to be the strongest Caster in existence, the king of all magic. In a normal container he'd be somewhat more gimped, but he'd still be damn well the strongest basically. Grand Servants are the seven strongest servants, the strongest from each class, the original servants of myth.
The fact that he's one of the few servants that can effectively use a grand container, since a normal container would gimp him way too much, shows how overpowering he is as a servant. He needs basically a container with ten times the normal capacity to be able to show what he's capable of, and really stretch out a bit. With someone like Andersen, a grand container would be nothing but a waste, since a normal servant container already maxes him out.
>>136201619
Full power Gil is going to be Grand Archer, though.
>>136201530
The answer is literally always the same.
>>136204925
>>136204707
Sun Wu Kong as Grand Lancer.
>>136201530
>It's just Gil*
>>136204842
Seems that difference allows them to realize their abilities to their full potential or some shit. For example Solomon summoned in the HGW would have a shitton of limitations on those awesome powers of his.
>>136204955
Wukong is too OP said by Nasu.
>>136204788
Once upon a time, the root summoned seven servants to save the world, they were the strongest servants of each class, and they did save it. They fought some world ending outside threat.
The HGW is an imitation of that ritual in a sense.
Anyone might be able to fit into the same sort of Grand Container, but the original seven were noted to be the strongest.
>>136205014
Pretty much, if you had Cu in a Grand container then he'd have Rach and all his other shit.
>>136204788
They're the ones at the apex of their classes. We know that they have a far better container than the normal ones, but we don't know if all servants can be put into grand container, maybe with the grail you collect in Grand Order, or if they are specifically for only one heroic spirit, like only Solomon can be Grand Caster, only Seibah can be Grand Saber and so one
>>136205017
I know he is, only way I see people like him is if they make a level of servant type greater than the Grand Servant Vessle.
>>136205041
>It takes 7 Counter Guardians to control the Primate Murder and the Servants of the Grail War are based on these.
>>136202087
His luck is listed as A++ on the wiki, not EX. Where did you get that info?
>>136205095
But then then he'd have to actually want to be summoned.
Unless there's someone really strong that could make it fun I don't see the monkey giving a shit about it.
>>136205014
Yes. It's a bigger container, which lets them have more of the Heroic Spirit.
We know that Cu, for example, has a lot more NPs than the Gay Bulge. If he was summoned into a Grand Lancer container, he'd probably have all of them. Fragarach, his castle, etc.
>>136205066
Are there details on Grand Saber's abilities or is still nitro revealed?
The fluffiness of her tails would destroy Gilgamesh.
>>136205234
>*not revealed
Just woke up, sorry.
>>136204942
>not GrandGilgamesh
>>136205156
This, Sun Wu Kong has no reason to ever participate. He is far beyond any of the others shown, and if he is truly a Buddha like he is at the end of his legend in the Nasuverse then good luck.
>>136204928
Then what about Tamamo?
She is not a heroic spirit, but actually a god and it's clearly stated in F/E that summoning her as a servant, nerfs her so hard that she can't use like 90% of her skills (not including origin form).
>>136205156
Koha Ace war is stated to be the "All Japanese war"
Hitler is there, he created some system outside of the grail system that allows him to summon weakened heroic spirits at a fraction of the cost.
Its noted divine spirits might be summonable under HItler's system within some restrictions.
Its already set up for Wukong to appear eventually here.
Yes Koha Ace war is a real story now, with an actual plot. We have the seven legit servants doing shit at the moment, accidentally running into each other or fighting.
Mass produced heroes are somewhat weaker perhaps, but they still have NP, so they're still dangerous. Only one we've seen so far was Cu, who died already. Also the Fuhrer is outfitting his servants with some special technology armor that drains mana from the land to heal all of their injuries, so they can only be killed by anti-fortress NPs or something.
Plot is much like any grail war story so far, a few chapters in and shit gets crazy.
We have some fun figures appearing at least; Nonobunga, Okita, Izou, Sakamoto, Shuwen, Musashi, etc.
>>136204749
>>136205507
>90%
She is a fucking god.
More like 99,(9)%.
>>136205234
There's only speculation, but it's quite sure that Excalibur will be the supposed "weapon to defend the planet" version mentioned in Garden of Avalon
>>136204942
Karna would be a better choice for grand archer.
>>136205507
Different situation I'd say; what you're summoning there after all is just a facet of Tamamo anyway, you're summoning one tail that split off from the others. Each of the tails represents a different emotion, self, etc similar to the Alter Egos. Berserker Tamamo represents her purity, Caster Tamamo represents her love for humans and desire to serve others, etc.
All of the tails are separate characters, and the only way they can be counted as full is when they all start merging together again.
For a facet of Tamamo, she's already maxed out by a normal container. She wasn't gimped by the container itself after all, not even a bit, rather she was gimped by the fact that she cut herself into nine in order to be summoned.
You also have to remember, that only all of them fused together, is the true Tamamo; all of them are just pieces.
If Berserker Tamamo was given a better container, she's also already maxed out in a sense, because she's still also just one tail on her own. They aren't gimped by the container but gimped by what they did to be summoned.
Its not that all of the Tamamo's evolve into a new Ameratasu when they level up. Each of the tails is currently a being unto itself entirely, just like the Egos. Each of them is counted individually, and can max out individually for now, but only if they fused together would they count for the thing you're saying perhaps.
Although, CCC already says that Ameratsu still exists on Earth, so even if they fused together, it doesn't really change much, since Ammy is always there outside of time.
>>136205687
Karna's a Lancer (a case can be made for his status as "Launcher" I suppose)
What's his hype about anyway? He's not that powerful. His NP is very good but he's very impractical. Cù could probably defeat him.
Could Gilgamesh defeat a Japanese truck while the driver also is suffering from the Japanese cold?
>>136205687
Karna would be better for Lancer.
Akiha got ganked a bit by Assassin, or something.
She's probably fine, she's got a healer on call.
General Shinji summons Berserker
>>136201530
I thought any one of the top human mages...granted with careful planning, can eliminate him no problem.
etc
>>136205754
Karna can't be allowed as an archer class. Sure he is eligible for it but then there is the whole deal where He shot arrows that pushed back a chariot that weighed as much as the Universe.
>>136205858
No, not even close.
I mean I could really go off into a post here about why and how this is impossible, but seriously no.
>>136205689
Okay, that's a really nice explanation, but what about her three tailed form then?
If there three tails, then that means she can have even more, but she still have the same vessel. Isn't it like overflowing the cup full of water or something?
She is still getting nerfed as hell.
>>136205906
In the Nasuverse, it was probably more of a conceptual thing, rather than a literal thing. Kind of like Achilles Kosmos, which isn't "actually" as strong as the world, but conceptually it is a world, which is why you can't bypass it unless you have some concept weapon that can say it somehow exceeds the world.
>>136205858
Nope.
>>136201530
>So apart from Enkidu, who would force him into a draw, who could beat a serious, full-power Gil?
Probably some of the more bullshit Hindus. I'm talking Rama, Ravana or Indrajit here. Could probably draw, at least.
>>136206097
Maybe with enough training, each of her tails can become a new Nine Tails. Since the legend states that if a Kitsune trains for a thousand years, it will have nine tails or whatever.
But they won't each turn into a new Ameratsu at least.
After all they're each still just a facet or fraction; however even a facet can keep leveling itself up, to become whole in a different way. They aren't becoming what they once were at all, rather they're becoming something new all over again.
>>136206383
>Indrajit
That fucker would stomp Gilgamesh, Gilgamesh is Karna tier a little higher and Karna is shit compared to Indrajit. Also i'm pretty sure he doesn't have Divinity.
>>136205925
While I agree GER is one of, if not the best defences ever, does he have the offensive power to break through Gil's bullshit armour treasury?
the servants belonging to iranian mythology
assassin, ahura mazda and the "devil"
>>136206495
Indrajit is also completely invincible until you meet specific circumstances, has all the best Astras, and canonically could beat up 12 Karnas.
>>136206495
Its stated in the data books that its stupid to compare heroic spirits to divine spirits to begin with. If its a true level divine spirit, then it can't be a fight, they are just stronger than any heroic spirit.
During a grail war they might be horribly gimped down to the same level, like in Artemis case, but shit like Zeus or Odin are beyond any hero.
This is balanced out by the fact that, true level divine spirits like that are reclusive and aren't going to appear. The only one we have of that level at the moment is Ameratsu, who only appeared because her self on the Mooncell was doing things, and Ammy wanted to take a look.
Its kind of like in Kagetsu, when Shiki meets Archetype Arcuied in her dreams once. Same situation, Hakuno meets Ammy in a dream.
>>136206383
I think Rama and Ravana are too close to deities to be eligible for Servant status, but Indrajit could definitely be summoned, yeah
>>136206507
GER just turns them to zero.
>>136206646
Even if he's already wearing the armour? That really makes powerwanking threads easy then.
>>136206495
>Gilgamesh is Karna tier
How?
>>136205558
Nice pecs and abs, Ilya.
I do wonder what would happen if Sakura uses the Gil card.
>>136206039
>>136206273
But from lurking these threads I came under the impression that the grail war was just some backwater ritual of little significance and that any of the top magical families in the world could have won it in less than a day...
>>136206691
GER canonly be beaten by a proper omnipoten creature or a reality bender (like Heaven DIO). Otherwise it's just an easy win for GER.
>>136206595
not 12. 6.
Karna and Arjuna are both worth 2 Maharatha. Indrajit can handle 12.
>>136206760
Think you're mixing up two things here.
>The guys at the clock tower think the HGW is just some dumb ritual, since it's being held in the shithole that is Japan.
>Gil could've won the whole 4th HGW in a day if he was serious.
>>136206760
Servants are still stronger than any human in the current age basically. In order to fight a servant, you need to be a completely strange or miracle type, not a top tier type.
A top tier type gets whipped out in seconds, because all they have to compare is power and abilities, and servants are beyond any human. An oddity like a true magic user, or Kouma works at times, but only up to an average level servant. There's no one who can legit fight top tier servants outside of DAA or other types like that.
Its a lesser cared about backwater ritual, because magus don't care about power-levels, they don't care about any of that shit, all they care about is reaching the root.
The HGW was deemed to not be that apt of a path to reach the root, so its regarded as a lesser branch. Just because powerful things are summoned, don't mean magus somehow care.
>>136206803
Giorno is fine after the multiversal reset in JoJo.
>>136206603
And what does it have to do with Indrajit?
>>136206867
What about Kotomine?
He's obviously not going to do shit against one of the three knight classes, but he can defeat a Hassan. At his peak, he was pretty much on the same level as a low-tier Servant in terms of physical skills
>>136206919
At his peak Kotomine would get trashed by any servant.
His only chance is with Command Seals that would make him able to beat Hassan, maybe. But that doesn't really count.
>>136206919
Kotomine only got where he did because Hassan's heartcrush didn't work. If it had, he'd've been fucked before he could do anything.
>>136206919
People never seem to understand that moment at all.
Kotomine never had a chance, if Hassan had deviated from his normal attack style at all, and just tried to punch Kotomine to death, Kotomine would be dead in seconds. However Kotomine was watching the battle with Lancer, he knew that Hassan was a coward, and exactly how he would attack. He always jut throws darts, and then uses his NP.
Because Kotomine knew his exact strategy, he had a small chance. As long as he could throw daggers just as hard as the darts he could cancel it out, and since Kotomine had no heart, it would create a very small gap in Hassan's attack pattern to hit him when he's using his NP.
Kotomnine did not win, he didn't have have the slightest thing that could kill or beat Hassan, however he did know that since Hassan is careful yet arrogant, he would not dodge the final black key, since Hassan himself knew that it would not kill him, and there would be no point not to dodge since his opponent would already be dead after he ripped out his heart.
All the black key could do, was pin Hassan to a tree for three seconcds, which Hassan didn't find to be a big deal, so he didn't dodge.
However Kotomine in that one gap of a few seconds, knew that was his only chance, automatically targetted Zouken, and tried to chant him to death.
Kotomine in the fourth war, with all of his command seals, at the peak of his life, with all of his abilities can match a low tier servant its stated.
However 5th war Kotomine, it would be no chance if it was an actual fight, the closest he could get is killing the master.
>>136207017
>>136206979
Isn't Hassan supposed to be physically weak?
>>136207090
For a Servant. Nigga could probably solo all of the Olympics with ease, though.
>>136207090
Even an E rank servant is still 10x human strength.
>>136207110
>rank
Does that mean anything anymore?
>>136206919
He was only pushing into low Servant tier because of the command seals and sheer tenacity for the fight against Kerry (which would let him potentially pull out a win against Ciel).
>>136201763
>Emiya
Nope
>Full power Tamamo
3 tails are enough for her to destroy the shit out of him
>Void SHIKI
Nope again
>>136207132
Yes, it does, it means the exact same as it meant in F/SN.
In the sense that its a general rating and understanding of their strength, but it was never absolute in the first place, meaning that someone with D rank strength could beat someone with B rank strength by having more skill.
That shit has always been that way, it was more of a general guide, rather than anything absolute.
E = 10x human ability
~
A = 50x human ability
A+ = 100x human ability
That's basically what it means; however stats were never everything, or even the most important thing perhaps. Stats are just a general ranking, in the sense that if nothing else comes into play, like skills or NP, its obvious how shit might turn out.
Sasaki vs Saber, in terms of power she was far superior, which is why he had to rely on skill
Saber vs Avenger, because his stats were so shit compared to hers, it was a landslide victory almost.
>>136207132
Not really when some retard like Rin can punch Caster and she had D rank END
>>136202933
>What is F/SF ?
>What is Gil vs Enkidu ?
>>136207253
Void Shiki will just delete him.
>>136206463
That's really beyond the point.
What I meant is, if Solomon is so powerful he needs a greater container, because the regular one would limit him a lot, then what about Tamamo?
According to what you did say, as a single facet of Amaterasu, she is maxed out in a normal container, but she can evovle and if I remember correctly, each of her tails multiplies her power by nine.
So if we take into account that she can make her way to having nine tails, there is no way she could use all of her power while having a regular servant container.
Does any of that makes any sense?
>>136207339
An exception.
Enkidu is the only being that Gil considers to be his equal on some level.
>>136207467
>According to what you did say, as a single facet of Amaterasu, she is maxed out in a normal container, but she can evovle and if I remember correctly, each of her tails multiplies her power by nine.
>So if we take into account that she can make her way to having nine tails, there is no way she could use all of her power while having a regular servant container.
A normal facet is already maxed out, they don't need a grand container to show more power since for a facet they're already what they are, however they can ascend, in the exact same way that every other servant can ascend in Grand Order, to be able to show more of their power in their current container. Asending is basically evolving already.
Which is why Tamamo develops new tails in G/O, since she ascends.
Ascending does allow them to evolve or express their power in new ways that were impossible before. Saying that "Well she might need a grand container for this power since she can evolve", is the same as saying literally any other character in G/O would need the same, since they can also evolve.
Its possible that they might grand ascend at the end of the story if you have the right item, and have already leveled them up to their limits of their normal ascensions.
What the fuck is this Origin Gilgamesh now? This keeps getting ridiculous.
Here we go
>>136207671
At the end of CCC, your servant gets a very situational power up that they can't really get outside of that situation, which allows them to fight BB or Kiara who are beyond any servant.
Although Tamamo Cat makes a joke out of evolving
She doesn't grow more tails, and instead does this.
Gilfags really believe that golden retard is unbeatable and that Salomon is just a joke
Gtfo
>>136207671
CCC servants get an origin-boosted form. It's no bullshit or anything, it's just accessing the power of the heroic spirit instead of being nerfed by the class.
Nothing fancy.
>>136207642
That Berserker is weaker than Illya's though.
WOT DO FUK IS HAPPENIN TO FAAAAATE
>>136207767
I kinda wish this was Berserker's original design. The half-armor and lion's face and everything just fit Heracles a lot better than the standart "nearly naked muscle guy".
>>136207767
Also the power up can only be used once, otherwise it'll burn out their soul since its too great of a strain.
You're forcefully upgrading your servant into the realms of mythology and beyond, so they can fight shit that is elder god tier.
Your servant after getting this power up is at the level where they can bend space, time, dimension, etc with a thought. However that's the level they need to be in order to have a chance. Its not really usable outside of that situation so much though.
>Sesshouin Kiara
>Even though you were flung to the edge of the galaxy......!
>Even if this is a conceptual space, you shouldn't have been able to cross that distance in an instant!
>Are you able to fly faster than light?
>Caster
>Of course, I came flying faster than light!
>At any rate, I won't let my master by seduced by a demon in this critical moment.
>The reversal of time is nothing special as well, just reduce to zero the distance from the Horsehead Nebula to this galaxy.
>This is called zero distance love!
>>136207975
Forgot pic, damn.
Anyone knows what does this armor/mystic code does?
>>136207975
>It's no bullshit or anything, it's just accessing the power of the heroic spirit instead of being nerfed by the class.
How does this work in the context of Gilgamesh? As I recall, in CCC isn't he supposed to actually just "be Gilgamesh"? He doesn't have a class besides "Gilgamesh" and he was hanging out on the Far Side or whatever, then chose to enter the Moon Cell when whoever the other Servant was abandoned the master.
>>136208044
He got summoned to a time line where humanity developed hax lvl Armor like in the Age of Gods
So he just got one for himself
>>136207975
Not really, Origin-boosted is just as it says. It boosts them.
They're made stronger than their heroic spirit self.
>>136207975
>Thinking that servants can "travel faster than light, reverse time and space across a galaxy, turn the distance from a galaxy into zero, stop time, etc" if they just weren't nerfed by class.
Don't be retarded, they're not not being restricted by class there, rather they're being pushed far past their limits and being infused with the origin of creation on Earth there.
Even EMIYA travels faster than light and does shit far beyond what he can do there; its not that they're just not being restricted by class.
However the power up is entirely explained, and its not bullshit because its entirely situational, and its only possible because they reverse engineered the ten crowns that BB gave them.
>>136208116
I thought it was just their original power being unlocked.
>>136208114
Yeah but what are the powers of the Iron Man suit. Defense? Something else?Can we have this in GO please
When is the new Strange Fake chapter getting translated?
>>136208173
>Yeah but what are the powers of the Iron Man suit. Defense? Something else?
Mythological Code of Wrought Iron
Gilgamesh's is Mythological Code of Origin
Tamamo's is Mythological Code of Sun
Each of them has a different truth
You could say that their origin forms are their greatest or most apt forms, the greatest forms for expressing their power. This is the form of their soul, or something like that.
>>136208203
hahaha
>>136201530
>Grand archer
is gill anywhere near it?
>>136208939
Nah
>>136208970
nasu should really stop promoting gill. i want to see other grand class
Fucking F/GO.
Damned was this multiverse when this atrocity was realized.
>>136208939
he's beyond Grand
>>136208939
Gil is it
>>136203420
>Inferior design
>Not played by Seki
Nope. I agree about everything else though.
>>136203420
Why are his stats so low when compared to Gilgamesh from other routes?
Also, is there a character sheet for proto Lancer?
>>136212031
>Why are his stats so low when compared to Gilgamesh from other routes?
Everyone was basically balanced as fuck in the original Prototype scripts.
Instead of servants just having A rank in everything, everyone was balanced.
If some servant had very low stats like Rider, it was balanced by him having a lot of NPs. It was only with F/SN that balance went out the window, but in Proto you could see everyone as having a chance.
>>136212031
Pretty sure his stats are pretty much equal to Gil's in F/SN overall. In F/0, he has better stats under Tokiomi.
>still not scanned
>>136212146
You're right, Gil's C's are replaced with B's under Tokiomi only. My bad
>>136212126
Why was there such a powercreep with FSN?
>>136212188
fuck off
>>136202103
ORT isn't a DAA.
>>136212275
ORT is DAA #5
It got the position after it accidentally killed the previous #5, without trying.
If you kill the previous guy, and you're inhuman, then you're in.
Even if you don't really want the job, you're still admitted to their ranks at times.
Zelretch is also a DAA, but not because he particularly wanted to be, or cared bout it.
A third of DAA are basically random types, who don't care about the organization at all, and perhaps hate vampires or just plain don't give a fuck. They're more likely to side with humans at times.
>>136212230
People had different specialties. For instance, even though Archer has the lowest overall stats in F/SN, his skill and magic allows him to keep up with everyone else. This allows him to kill the stat monster Heracles six times before being killed. Then there are people like Sasaki Kojirou who very well may have beaten Saber under Rin if he had the time, but essentially crippled himself by blocking once so that Saber could pass, and because he was quickly fading away.
Essentially, stats don't mean everything in F/SN, though they're still very important. See: Saber Alter vs. Shirou, or as previously mentioned, Archer vs. Berserker.
>>136212188
>NTR
Get that OOC crap away.
If I want Sakura/Shirou, I want hot sweaty vanilla sex, not NTR.
>>136201763
>>136207253
I don't know much about this, but isn't Void Shiki just capable of doing whatever the fuck she wants, basically being a god?
>>136201530
You mean servant or anyone?
>Servant
As of now, none of them. Grand Servant not count, not enough info.
>Other character in type-moon
It's a long list and you can lurk it yourself.
Literally illyasviel
>>136206603
She's a big girl.
>>136204480
>>136204578
There was a servant called Grand Servant Demonbane that can easily obliterate Nasuverse. It can be summoned by using Athletha Aeternum.
>>136213262
>implying
>>136213262
>>136204749
That was such a shitty, cliché resolution to the fight.
>Ruby and Saphire, combine!
>Ultimate form!
>Oh no, it's physically damaging for Illya to be like that!
Quite possibly the most boring way to power through a final boss in the series so far. It really has been on a huge decline since season 1.
>>136201530
>>136213830
That slash to the eyes was uneccesary. Dick move, Gil.
>>136213837
Don't worry, it all goes back to have Shirou as the MC anyways.
>>136214080
That's always good, but based on the spoilers from here >>136208453 it sounds like the plot turns into some seriously convuluted shit. Oh well, guess I'll watch it for the characters, if the anime ever gets that far.
>>136213181
>As of now, none of them
What?
Heracles as anything else than Berserker; Enkidu (especially if summoned as Berserker); Ozymandias; Karna; Pale Rider
>>136214274
Ozymandias' temple got punctured by Arash. And if there's anything GO taught me, it's that Arash is the shittiest Archer to ever exist.
>>136201530
>>136213181
lel, people wanking weak character the thread
>>136214366
GO stars = canon power level
Get the fuck out secondary-kun, that's their waifu/husbandu stat.
>>136203420
We really need a proper Prototype anime.
>>136214503
(forgot to meme arrow the first line)
>http://imgur.com/a/a0MXp
F/SF 3
>>136214194
that's why gil is such an entertaining charcter he is the consumate villain, so much more so than any other i've seen in fiction
this nigga has been torturing, killing and slaughtering since it was necessary to curb barbarism (don't shit on me we in post-scarcity now senpai)
>>136213837
It is still canon and to be fair it was not that bad compared to most shounens final big bad guys fight.
Only thing that bother me is how illya faced appearently no consequences forever using her body as cannon fuel but we can't except to show brutal violence on 11 year old girls on TV, can we now?
>>136214688
Niiice, can't believe it takes so long for this stuff to get TL'd in a fanbase as large as TM. Is Narita even doing this anymore? It's been so fucking long since that first batch of chapters.
>>136215024
>Is Narita even doing this anymore?
Well, yeah. There was a chapter released this week. It had Gil and Enkidu throwing a lot of shit at each other.
>>136214753
>so much more so than any other i've seen in fiction
Yeah, you probably only watched Star Wars as your fiction series.
>>136214688
I thought F/SF 3 was Enkidu vs Gil
>>136216562
Why did he slash Illya's eyes before killing her, though? Just because he's an asshole?
>>136216602
>>136216562
That noise she made after the cut was lovely.
>>136216601
Because she's just a vessel?
>>136216756
But she's a conscious being on the same level as humans
If she were devoid of any real self-awareness or intelligence then why not, but she's like a real human bean.
>>136216849
He has a thing against homunculi being "too pure for the human world" after Enkidu, as evidence by his speech to Sella in the previous episode.
>>136216849
Doubt someone from the iron age like Gil would accept a being like that.
>>136212875
She has the ability to, but not the body, so nope.
>>136201530
Enkudu, just like in the regular mythos
>>136216849
It's more like the experiments made her body more and more inhuman like Zouken did to Sakura, she was born the regular way, but they made alterations to her during gestation.
>>136217628
Sakura is still 100% human though, she just has penis worms inside of her.
>>136212875
In a fair fight she gets rekt because despite being able to kill anything, she still has the body of a human, a Servant can kill her before she even reacts.
>>136201530
Kanata.
>>136201530
Saber + Avalon or Lancer using GB.
It's obvious.
>>136219161
Saber+Avalon lead to a stealmate
Lancer had the chance to fight Gil for 12 hours and still lost.
>>136219253
>12 hours
Still very impressive considering that Heracles got curbstomped in five minutes. Cu Chulainn is top-tier and underrated as fuck.
>>136202087
>heat value
Are retards still using the garbage Beast's Lair mistranslations after we got actual japs BTFOing that multiple times?
>>136219357
Heracles had to protect Illya from GoB and fighting Gil at the same time, he had a really big handicap to begin with.
But yes, Cu is a beast, I think he would have a really high chance to win the war if he still had Bazett as a Master.
>>136204928
>People want to damage control and meme lately "No, its literally just the container, if he didn't have that container anyone could beat him, he's shit".
This was a result of the shitty Beast's Lair mistranslations and is the complete opposite of what is said in the game. "Container" is bullshit, the word used is 霊各 = "spirit level". The entire explanation by Andersen and Solomon was basically that servants could never stand a chance against grand servants because they're on a completely different level that can't be compared.
There are no fucking containers.
>>136219607
The word 器/vessel on the other hand IS used but the context is the same; Grand servants are so powerful that they can't be regular servants (retards argued this in a previous thread too; It turns out, once again, that this was thanks to mistranslations from the retards on Beast's Lair who managed to translate things to the EXACT OPPOSITE) and become one of the seven grands.
https://desustorage.org/a/thread/135926329/#135936265
>>136202361It's implied that the grand servants ARE the counter guardians
>>136201530
pic related
>>136216849
Because world is full of assholes anon and homunuli or familliars like puppets are practically 'magical niggers' of type-moon, property of magus', besides Gil is the one who thinks that all except Enkidu are below him so do you think that he would care for some random submongrel and her feels?
>>136219562
Is he really that strong? Seems strange to me since all he has going for him is an OHK which never works when he uses it against important characters. Compare that with Karna, Enkidu, Vlad and others
>>136219562
>he has a really big handicap
Sure but Gil did acknowledge his strength, which is impressive. Would the fight have gone another way if he didn't have to protect her? Gil would've just spammed GOB at Heracles himself instead of aiming at Illya. And as it was shown, Heracles can't rival swordspam even if he's extremely strong.
