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What the fuck, those anime writers should spend more time outside the anime/fiction world and taste a little of reality! I bet he doesn't even know about the F-35.
>>136184753
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Air_Self-Defense_Force#Aircraft
>har har har, i'm such an expert, me
At least spend a minute researching the topic before trying to act big.
>>136184753
>I bet he doesn't even know about the F-35.
He does know, actually. That's why he used F-4s.
Japan still uses F-4EJs. In fact, several counties still use their own Phantom variants.
Turkey's F-4E2020 uses modern avionics.
In case you are retarded and didn't notice SDF is using equipment from the 80's.
Because it's cheap and there is no need for modern weapons when fighting fantasy Romans.
>>136184753
pls op.
>>136186312
Is being bigger supposed to be impressive. It's got a little speed on it but other than that, those numbers are useless.
>>136186312
>top speed for 1 minute max with afterburners
>vs supercruise for almost entire range
/k pls.
>>136186479
>>136186481
The f35 and the f4 have the same payload capacity.
You dont need things like air superiority when you are fighting romans who dont have aircraft.
Also those are both the top speeds for both aircraft mate. The f35 has yet to go faster than a F4 as of now.
>>136186312
Who would win in a dogfight?
>>136186801
The F35 isnt supposed to do that.
Thats the F22s job. But I think as of now the F35 is still grounded due to the ejection seat not working still.
>>136185048
>>136186694
>>136186877
>>136186801
>Who would win in a dogfight?
The F35 should easily take out the F4 without needing to enter a dogfight.
The F4 couldn't even find the F35, and just by actively looking for it the F35 would detect the F4 and lock onto it's radar. Even if the F4 had support aircraft that helped it locate the F35 it would be at an enormous disadvantage.
The entire point of a jet from this generation is that it will not need to dogfight in the first place. It will have an overwhelming advantage when it comes to detection range and situational awareness. The aircraft that spots the other first and shoots first is the victor 9 out of 10 times.
How does worst korea and eleven has the money to order 40 F-35s respectively?
I thought both of them cut back on their defense budgets?
>baited the thread
>>136187530
As far as unit costs for the end purchaser goes the F-35 is actually expected to be pretty damn cheap for a 5th gen multirole.
in the 2nd episode they explain that they are only sending their shit-gear beyond the gate(hence the wood-stocked old rifles.)
Also, as mentioned before, Japan still has F-4's... I think they're the only modern military still using them, but they are... and since they are, you can bet they're still using modern weapons and avionics. Wealthy nations cant afford to put unsafe/shit gear out, because its actually the cost of the pilots and soldiers that costs SIGNIFICANTLY more than the equipment.(in training, and family payouts should they die)
>>136184753
Can't you really understand the reason?
Are you a idiot?
>lockheed shilling this hard itt
predictable but fun
>>136187783
Does she get raped by her fellow lockheed family?
>>136187344
F-35, is completely shit.
>>136187694
>I think they're the only modern military still using them
Turkey still uses them. In fact, they have the most advanced variants.
>>136187694
Plus it's an image and morale issue. What soldier is going to give his all fighting for a military that he doesn't feel has his back? What public isn't going to ask questions when their fighting men and women are deployed with equipment that would make a jihadist laugh?
>>136187344
It would seem that at least half of the aircraft's ridiculous development budget went into propaganda.
>>136187694
>Japan
>modern military
TOP KEK
Japan doesn't even have a real military. The have a self-defense force. Since WW2, they've been pretty restricted from a military perspective.
>>136186694
>You dont need things like air superiority when you are fighting romans who dont have aircraft.
All you really need in that situation is A-10s.
Cheap mass-produceable planes are much better than expensive ones against the BETA.
All that matters is that they can drop ordinance with decent aim and have okay parameters. Nothing else is needed, because no amount of evasion will save them from the laser class.
>>136187528
If what you say is true then aircraft in general are a mistake and we should instead develop stealth missles.
>>136188392
wrong show retard
>>136188392
You're thinking of the wrong series /k/ompadre
>>136188392
You know that this isn't ML, right? The F-4 in that series is a robot.
>>136188426
You mean deployable stealth missile platforms?
>>136188492
No, I mean exactly what I said. As in stealth cruise missiles or stealth ICBMs
>>136188336
The JSDF is an extremely well equipped force. The way their constitution works is that they're limited to spending roughly 1% of GDP on their not-military. Fortunately for Japan, even today their GDP is pretty damn huge. Their main issue is never having engaged in a modern war. The intro of the movie Patlabor 2 is very interesting in that regard. Oshii based the sequence on actual comments by Japanese officers and soldiers deployed to a peacekeeping operation around 1990. He felt that the politics of the JSDF were so intrusive on every element that it would hinder their ability to wage war, which is seen in the commanding officer refusing to give orders to engage first as they would be violating ROE but save the lives of his men.
>>136187528
The F-4 doesn't have 360 degree radar coverage. It can't see shit behind it. You could have the most unstealthy aircraft to ever fly, and unless it's got someone covering its ass, you could still sneak up on an F-4.
>>136188336
Not him but their size and operation capacity rivals those neighboring countries with "real military".
Hell their air force and navy is the number one in Asia (including China).
At this stage, we all know that Japan pretty much has a full-fledged, combat ready army/navy/airforce available. At this stage the whole "self-defence" thing really doesn't matter you know,
Is this anime even any good? I enjoyed the first episode, but I don't want to watch more if it just becomes a harem otaku pandering shitfest. I want a nice military anime with conflicting sides and cultures. Does the whole military aspect get dropped once the girls are introduced?
>>136188547
>No, I mean exactly what I said. As in stealth cruise missiles or stealth ICBMs
And who provides targets for these missiles?
Spy satellites cannot provide accurate real time info, especially if you are trying to target enemy aircraft.
>>136188606
>Is this anime even any good?
It's as good as you can expect given its source material.
>>136188606
>harm otaku pandering shitfest
That's probably what I'd use to describe it, but I'm still watching it to the end.
>>136184753
It just shows to tell just how stealthy the F-35 is.
>>136188658
Would Pixy object to getting shoved in an F-4 Phantom?
F-4E was my favorite jet when I was a kid.
>>136188713
After his time with the Morgan, probably.
F4 is one my top 3 favorite aircraft from the series. I completed ace combat X on the highest difficulty with it, what a wild ride.
>>136186801
F4 has a turning circle the size of Nevada, whereas the F35 is chiefly handicapped by its poor speed and incredible fragility (pilots restricted from climbing / diving at more than 6000 ft / minute for fear of rapid changes in air pressure bursting the fuel tanks lmao). Neither one has a gun. F-35 has a limited degree of resistance to x-band radar in its front arc only, as long as it doesn't turn its radar on. F4 has a chance to use speed to evade a heat seeker, while the F35's thermal stealth characteristics are so bad that its best hope of survival is to hold real still and hope the missile mistakes it for the sun. Ultimately I think it would come down to the two planes flying huge awkward futile arcs around each other for the 30 minutes or so it takes for the F35 to run out of fuel or melt its own empennage off trying to use its afterburner. More likely scenario would be the F4 just wins by default because no commander is willing to throw his career away by risking something that costs literally more than the Louisiana purchase per unit in actual combat.
>>136188849
>Neither one has a gun.
Wrong.
>>136188646
>especially if you are trying to target enemy aircraft.
Then you don't, you prove the futility of aircraft by destroying their airbases. Focus on intercepting against their non-stealth missiles and prevent the enemy from re-arming their aircraft.
>>136186801
The F-35 apparently compares favorably to a Super Hornet in maneuverability, is VLO, has a sensor suite to that would make AWACS blush and can mount the AIM-9X. It's a non-starter, even with a modernized Phantom.
>>136188889
The chair force f-35 has a gun, but the navy and marine ones don't.
>>136188993
Anon, the gun pod for the F-35B/C was tested before the internally mounted one on the A.
>>136188993
Yes, I know. But you shouldn't generalize like that. Those other two variants can be equipped with gunpods as well.
Also, the F-4E has an internal gun, and like the F-35, the other variants can be equipped with gunpods.
>>136188954
Super Hornets are kind of shitty in terms of maneuverability. But then they weren't designed to dogfight, they were designed to swing their noses around to have the widest arc for their missiles possible.
>>136188849
Next time you watch a Mig vs Phantom special on the history channel make sure you make it to the part where they started putting internal canons in the F-4.
>>136189026
Gunpods don't count.
>>136189091
From what I've heard, the Hornet family is the only thing that makes Viper pilots nervous when wargame time rolls around. Purely anecdotal, of course.
>>136189114
>Mounted weapons don't count
So I guess that no aircraft has ever carried a missile by your standards.
>>136189121
Modern F-16s aren't that hot in terms of maneuverability either because of all the electronics they crammed into them. I remember reading about some Polish MiG-29 pilots who were consistently beating the block 52 F-16s in wargames. The US sent some older F-16s over, and they completely wiped the floor with the MiG-29s because they were much more nimble. But then dogfighting isn't everything these days.
>>136188336
Your bait is boring.
>>136189148
Missiles and guns are two different things, anon. Gunpods were shown to be a bad idea back on the F-4s.
>>136189245
Neat. It can't help that pretty much every loadout I've seen for a modern Viper I've seen involves droptanks, because apparently the drop and a half of fuel it carries internally doesn't get them very far. Hasn't Saudi Arabia or some place in the Middle East had all theirs fitted with CFTs?
>>136189307
I don't see why a failure in the 60's means that it can't be done well some 50 years later.
>>136188993
The F-35A and F-4E are the only variants of the planes that matter, and they both have internal guns.
>>136189378
You're probably talking about the block 60s for the U.A.E.
>>136186877
No F-35s are grounded, just 1 of ~200 pilots had to change his career because the current ejection seat + helmet is too dangerous for pilots <136lb if they have to eject. Most pilots are around 176lb.
>>136189450
That would be correct. I'm a little rusty on the F-16.
favorite F4 moment: damaged phantom with one engine out PUSHES more damaged phantom with both engines out ninety miles so pilot can bail out in friendly territory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardo%27s_Push
>>136189577
>Pardo was initially reprimanded for not saving his own aircraft
Fucking brass.
>>136184753
Says flat out in the manga that they sent older equipment on purpose.
>>136184753
>I bet he doesn't even know about the F-35.
Buddy, I wish I didn't know about the F-35. Then I could pretend that my government was just fiscally irresponsible rather than incompetent.I wish they had used F15Cs though. 4th gen a best
>>136189726
You mean F-15J? We're talking about Japan here.
>>136188605
>Hell their air force and navy is the number one in Asia
Not just Asia, they're certainly among the top navies and airforces in the world, especially in terms of technology.
They will probably be buying the F-35 and are building their own 5th gen aircraft as well.
And yeah, the whole SDF is essentially a joke to calm down their own pacifist population and other Asian countries,.China is already complaining about they Izumo-class.
>>136190128
Listen here m8
If I don't call my nations Arleigh Burke Class destroyers the "Hobart Class" I'm sure as shit not going to extend the same courtesy to the nips and their jets.
>>136190208
The Hobart Class destroyers are based on the Navantia Álvaro de Bazán-class frigate, not the Arleigh Burke
>>136190286
No, Navantia Álvaro de Bazán-class was a competitor to the contract.
Arleigh Burke Class won it.
>>136190375
>>136190286
my mistake
>>136188943
You're one dumb nigger aren't you?
>>136186481
F-35 doesn't have super cruise
>>136191029
Though it can do Mach 1.2 for about 10 minutes.
>>136186481
Didn't they drop the supercruise requirement for 5th gen fighters just because the F-35 couldn't supercruise
>>136184753
>I bet he doesn't even know about the F-35.
The F-35 is fit for delivery to the nations that are buying it already?
>>136191667
To an extent, but there's multiple definitions for fighter generations.
>>136191667
being a Lockmart marketing term, the definition of "Fifth Generation®" is remarkably loose and adaptable depending on whatever the plane Lockmart is currently selling can do. For example during the F22 years it included all-aspect stealth and a high maneuverability airframe, but now it does not.
>author is super nationalist Jap
>Japan uber stronk katana samurai folded 100x over
>JSDF using old outdated shit
>Japan #1
It's so cute really.
>>136184753
This is leftover copypasta from season 1, isn't it?
Well, the F-4 can still do that what is was supposed when it was introduced flying fast a straight line.
>>136192229
Fifth gen was originally talked about by the Russians when the US was conceptualising the ATF and the Ruskies got word.
>>136188426
>>136188547
You realize that's exactly what we did, right?
Aircraft are for realtime precision strikes.
>>136190197
You mean the propaganda of the SDF being a joke. They're quite capable of killing the first million chinks thrown their way; it's the second million that's a problem.
>>136184753
/k/ is leaking again
>>136190197
Realistically no.
JSDF has:
1) Good tactical info system including a set of satellites but limited to the region
2) Acceptable ASM and a good ASM in dev
3) Anti sub capability and crazy SOSUS in the region
JSDF does not have:
1) Carrier and on carrier AEW and thus, sufficient stand-alone anti-air capacity as fleet
2) Nuclear subs, limited operational range.
3) Capability to strike enemy bases.
It's not too shabby but JP is pitted against, China, Russia and North Korea. As whole, the composition is too home land defense centric to win any war.
>>136192385
Nobody is going to deny the nationalism in Gate, but if he wanted to show Japan stronk in this instance, there's no reason he wouldn't use F2s.
Except for the established reason that the forces beyond the gate don't have the best equipment available.
>>136194609
I wonder how realistic that is. In the US or UK there'd be an uproar about sending troops into danger with second (or third) rate equipment for non operational reasons.
Japan? I get the feeling it would be a story, but wouldn't gain as much traction as it would elsewhere.
>>136184753
>F-35
Werent they retired the moment they were produced? Biggest taxpayer scam since F-22
Is it by any chance Phantastic Phantoms vs Dragon episode?
>>136195187
Wat? There's about as many F-35s as F-22s now, with another couple of hundred recently ordered.
>>136195758
Stop that, F-35 is a good girl! It's not her fault that the idiots who designed her type B skirt made it so that she's always flashing her ass
>>136194696
Ask the corps. They've been using M16A2 when the army is using M4A1
Or M113 when the army is using M2 Bradley
Or the UH-1H (N version upgrade was only up in the table in mid 2000s) when the army is using UH-60L
And the list goes on
>>136194609
Gotta keep the best stuff for the motherland, nigga
Why does the marines always got second hand stuff?
>>136196118
Because they're an overgrown branch of the USN that really shouldn't be as big as it is. The Navy wants to spend its budget on navy things, so the little second army that they have gets table scraps. Using old but still functional Army gear is a very useful way to save money. They also have different operational requirements for some things, which is why they stuck to an upgraded Huey.
>>136196118
It's not second hand (well, maybe the the abrams, but then again it was rebuilt so damn thing is practically a new tank), but consider this; US Army gets roughly 35 percent of the annual DoD budget. USMC? 4 percent. (and yet they accounted for more than 30 percent of total US military foreign deployment in 2014)
>>136196217
>Huey
Cobra, rather. Then again, they do share a lineage.
They stuck with the Huey as a budget thing.
>>136196080
Or how the Air Force has been using M16A1s and GUU-5/Ps even after they started to issue the M16A2 in 2001. This photo was apparently from 2007~2008.
>>136196393
If it throws bullets I'd imagine it's good enough for most USAF ground duties.
>>136196118
Like the other nigga said, the corps aren't using second hand equipment from the army (maybe some of them, like Abrams, but they didn't get them directly from the army). They're using newly produced, upgraded version of legacy weapon platform.
The reason? Logistics.
The corps could totally replace their Hueys with Blackhawks and their Cobras (mind you this is the 2-engine variant, not like the army's single-engined cobras. Shit was given to 3rd world countries like Morocco, Thailand and Jordan) with Apache. But replacing the whole infrastructure, retraining the whole maintenance crew as well as the learning curve associated with it are deemed as too expensive for a (sub)branch of service with a meager budget. Not to mention that the new platform has to be modified for suit the corps requirement (like heightened resistance to salinity, for example)
tl;dr it's not worth it.
>>136193568
>implying people on /a/ know anything about planes
>there are people that think an f-4 or a-10 could do the F-35s job better
>>136196640
Obviously, you have to be low and slow to do CAS
>>136196640
>mfw the F-35's replacement of the A-10 got pushed back AGAIN
>>136196524
There's also the cost per flight hour, I think. UH-60 is about 3x more expensive to fly than UH-1 (and UH-1 has the benefit of being so mass produced that several companies make spares for it)
I think when UH-1 finally being retired from service, USMC is going to get either AW-149 or Surion (because both helicopters are tailored as Huey replacement)
>>136196640
>People who don't realize that the reason why the F-35 is so great is because its basically an Awacs + Fighter all rolled into one.
>People who don't realize that a F-35 pilot can be in control of his plane and several drones and fire ordinance off of those drones at any targets he sees without having to worry about being spotted
>People who don't realize that the f-35 is the closest a real life fighter pilot will ever get to fighting as if he's playing ace combat.
>>136196903
>surion
>implying US military is going to buy non-american helicopters
Looks awesome though. I give em that
>>136196903
I doubt the US based aerospace companies would be all that enthusiastic, and would probably get some senators to lobby it to shit.
>>136194696
>In the US or UK there'd be an uproar about sending troops into danger with second (or third) rate equipment for non operational reasons.
You say, you say that, but as the other anon said. Getting deployed with sub-par systems happens all the time.
The Type 42, with the Type 965 radar with Sea Dart happen during the Falklands war.
Soft skinned (no armour) jeeps for Iraq and Afgan.
L85A1 for well, everything.
>>136196966
>what is lakota
>>136196969
Well, if anything. marine corps is more or less tolerant to using non-american weapon/system. They're using LAV-25 and AV-8 among other. Their fucking camo is based on CAPDAT (and they're loving it, unlike the army with that 5 billion botched camo which is the UCP)
>>136196966
Looks like a Puma
F-35 isn't even complete yet
And the SDF are using old weaponry because you don't need much dakka to take over a world where the next best weaponry the enemy has is cavalry.
Not to mention they probably don't have the funding to dedicate on weaponry/hardware when you're aiming for peace negotiations.
>>136197184
Puma? Nah, looks like a Warthog to me.
>>136197371
It doesn't even have tusks
>>136197405
wooosh
>ITT anons not discussing the future king
>>136197706
Warthog drone? COFFIN Warthog?
>>136197706
>not just replacing any leftover space of the cockpit with pylons for dumbfire rockets to complement the BRRRRRRRRT
What the fuck am I on /a/ or am I on /aceg/. You can't bring me back to ACI faggots I already broke away from that twisted game.And fuck off prec I know you're here.
>>136198221
JUST BUY MORE FUEL, GOY
>>136197706
they should make a naval ASW version of the A10. replace the cannon with a big ol down-looking radar, stick an arrestor hook on the ass, hang a shitload of torpedoes and sonobuoys under the wings, have it fly around low-n-slow looking for submarines to fuck up.
>Murriccan planes
>Superior to anything
vodka kek
>>136198359
>What is P-8
