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>>136065712
なるべく諦めない！
なせば大抵なんとかなる！
Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
>>136090519
DJT All In One Japanese Learners Package:
https://mega.nz/#F!LxMxkIKC!f2og2tfEfSCnQcB0xbF_2g
http://pastebin.com/FGn3cxMR
Just starting for real after several false starts, ditching genki this time for Tae Kim, anki, and heisig.
Should I learn the readings as I do heisig or just the names of the radicals and learn readings as the kanji come up in anki? Should I get a heisig deck for the radical names along with the anki 2k/6k?
今日のスーパーマリオメーカー 「デイジー」編
What would be the most accurate English translation of 編? Update? Part? Chapter? Does it vary?
>doing Core
>医者
>okay, いしゃ, got it
>お医者さん
>what the fuck
Why are there two different cards for 医者 and お医者さん?
>>136090360
broccoli is "nutritional" too, but nobody acts like it gives you special memory powers
>>136090677
>Should I learn the readings as I do heisig
Noooooo
>just the names of the radicals and learn readings as the kanji come up in anki?
Yes if by "anki" you mean vocab deck.
I am pretty sure everyone who does RTK also does an anki deck with it
Remember that wanikani is the key to success!
>>136090738
>>136090773
>Dekinai is happy
So you are an agent of the dark mistress sent to confound our hearts and lead us off the path of Japanese? hmmmmph.
>>136090677
DJT doesn't like Heisig but I do so I'll help you out. If you do Heisig, in order to get the actual benefits of it (namely, being able to go through Core as fast as you want) you should get at least over halfway through it before you start Core, otherwise you won't know any of the keywords for basic kanji. How many new cards/day (approx) are you planning on doing?
>Should I learn the readings as I do heisig
No.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
I just love to work hard.
>>136090869
please, shill-kun, get out of my /djt/
Anyone here read the Grisaia VN's?
Wondering how different they are from the anime
>>136090697
So you can artificially boost your stats and feel good about yourself
>>136090648
It boggles my mind that someone was butthurt enough by the wanikani posting to spend hours of their life putting together this mega folder and writing an enormous essay about a better way to learn Japanese.
>>136090773
Die die die die die.
>>136090977
>butthurt
It's not butthurt, it's the innate desire to spread truth inherent in all intellectuals
>learning Japanese
top kek
>>136090889
I'm planning on 20 cards a day for now, dropping to 15 if I fail reviews a lot. So I should drop core and focus on learning to construct the kanji for now?
>>136091020
Sounds like butthurt.
>>136090677
>just the names of the radicals
Knowing the "names" of the kanji is absolutely meaningless. Only the readings are worth something, and those are best obtained through vocab.
蝙
蝠
Literally.
>>136091087
Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.
>learning English
>>136090691
I'd say it varies, since it can mean a collection of books or movies or scenes or songs. I think you're off on the meaning with update/part/chapter, it's more like compilation.
>>136091113
I mean, even ignoring the retarded wanikani shit completely, that folder is still a great all-in-one resource to go along with the guide and help newcomers. The fact that such a resource is also useful for BTFOing any WK shills desperately clinging to the only thing they have over anki(the fact that it spoonfeeds you everything) is just an added bonus.
>>136091589
Wanikani isn't supposed to replace anki, only core 6k. Don't be a shill.
>preliminary phone interview
>Are there any work or education-related achievements that you're particularly proud of?
>mention Japanese
>interviewer seems legitimately impressed; moves me on to the main interview
>might have to give a demonstration at the interview
PANIC!
>>136091099
Before I go any further, let me tell you to take everything you hear on here and anywhere (including from me, right now) with a grain of salt. The vast majority of the time you are being given advice by those not too much further down the road than you and methods that work for some may not work for everyone.
That being said, here is how I would advise those going down the Heisig path to proceed.
1. Kana.
2. RTK as fast as you feel comfortable with so you can get into Core ASAP while having a good breadth of kanji knowledge. If you want to do other stuff besides RTK while going through the program, then do some grammar - VJG, JtMW, and Tae Kim are all fine resources. Also, watch a bunch of anime (eng subbed) if you haven't been already and try to pick up common words and phrases.
3. Core, again as fast as you feel comfortable with (and keep up with) - this amount will vary from person to person.
This strategy has worked very well for me. However, there are a few things to note:
1. Although I love Heisig I would recommend most people to just try Core at first and see how they like it, and if they are having difficulty with it to do RTK. If you breeze through Core without RTK it probably is an unnecessary step.
2. If you are going through at ~20 cards/day then you will be done in ~4 months. Many would say being 4 months in and still not knowing any vocabulary is a terrible position for a beginner. If you want to avoid this, there are basically only two ways around this, and they are to either start Core about halfway through and bruteforce you way through the kanji you haven't seen yet, or go through RTK even faster just to "get it over with" and start vocab.
So should you drop Core and just do RTK? Maybe, but I would only recommend this if you're truly willing to go through RTK twice as fast to compensate. I'm running out of charspace so I'll write out a little guide on how I think the optimal way to do RTK is in my next post.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeVkO1xTXdg
When are the American faggot police going to give us a cool motivational parade like this?
>>136091744
>looking for a job
>speaking to people
Subhuman.
>>136091744
You shouldn't have lied.
>>136091668
>shilling for something that is free
>?????
and the fact that there is literally a WaniKani anki deck - allowing you to go through the exact same program but with a superior and customizable SRS algorithm, uncapped pace, and ability to edit cards, FOR FREE - means WaniKani is 100% obsolete, regardless of how you feel about any other popular anki decks. Remind me which one of us is a shill?
>>136091744
NEVER TELL ANYONE YOU ARE LEARNING JAPANESE!
To any newcomers in this thread, this is the number one most important thing you will read here.
>>136091853
It wasn't a lie. I work hard at Japanese every day, and I've made good progress. I can often read several VN screens in a row without stopping.
I just don't focus on output at all.
>>136091918
If they ask you to say something, but they don't know Japanese, just say long strings of simple phrases you're familiar with
そうかもしれないけどよくわかりませんたいちょうごちそうさまでした
>>136091744
Don't listen to the others, it's good you said this since it appears you impressed them and might get a job out of it. Act confident and it'll go fine.
Learn how to say "oh well, it's always weird when someone asks you to say something in a particular language, you end up not knowing what to say haha" in Japanese just in case.
まぁ、”何か日本語で言ってみよ”って言われてがなんか難しい。 or something
>>136091906
Also make sure you have a cover story in case anyone happens to find out. You don't want people to know you read VNs and watch anime.
Possible covers:
- I want to attend graduate school in Japan, X university has a great program for Y
- I love Japanese novelists like Harukami Murakami
- My half-uncle's family is Japanese and I want to be able to speak with them
>>136091918
You shouldn't have told them that you can speak Japanese if you actually can't.
>>136090648
I'm 1k words into 2k6k, and talk everyday with japanese people. But I need to be able to write my kanji for a test, so should I drop 2k6k and start over with this? Or should I just keep going 2k6k.
The test is on June, it also has math physics and chemistry. I'm studying math/physics/chemistry about 10 hours per day, and I spread my reviews throughout the day.
Have some advice, maybe? Also, how many new words per day?
I LOVE ALL OF YOU WERE ALL GOING TO MAKE IT KEEP WORKING HARD!
>>136090648
Wanikani is better for learners than that shit.
>>136092013
There's no "starting over" with learning, but if I were you I would start a deck for writing alongside with what you are already doing.
>>136091975
>>136092003
I stumble big time whenever I try to speak. I forgot words and mispronounce things. This is probably not disconnected to my listening being piss poor.
I suppose that the best course of action might be to choose a few easy phrases for demonstration, and shadow them again and again and again until I don't stumble. I still have two more days until the interview.
>>136092005
I didn't say anything about speaking.
>>136092153
When you inevitably spaghetti please report back and tell us about it.
>>136092153
>I didn't say anything about speaking.
That's the default thing that someone is going to expect if you tell them that you know a language.
>>136092195
I'll let you know about my success.
>>136092216
I didn't say anything about knowing, either. I'm pretty sure that I used the phrasing "Japanese studies".
>>136092273
Nah, you're fucked, mate.
>>136091099
>>136091801
The first thing to consider is Koohii. RTK is best used with a companion site with Koohii. In fact, I would go as far to say that without Koohii it would be incredibly inefficient and possibly detrimental to the learning process. Koohii has great user-created stories to get the mnemonics in your head without having to spend time coming up with them yourself, provides explanations when Heisig's keywords are ambiguous, suggestions for new keywords when Heisig's are strange or just wrong, etc. So use Koohii religiously, otherwise RTK will be slow, painful, and boring.
The second thing to consider is how to initially learn each kanji. Many RTKers start off by writing down their whole "story" for each kanji, in English, in their notebook. DON'T. There is not anything "wrong" with doing this in terms of retention, but it will take you twice as long for minimal retention gains. You would be much better served by going through RTK twice as fast with slightly poorer retention and shoring it up afterwards.
And the third thing to consider is the reviews. Consider 料 and 賃, "fee" and "fare" respectively. Suppose while doing reviews, you get "fee" and immediately both kanji pop into your mind. You try to recall which one is which and pick 賃, incorrectly. "Darn," you think, and mark it wrong. You absolutely should NOT do this. Why? Because this screwing up of similar keywords is fucking stupid and has nothing to do with actual Japanese, so don't mark yourself wrong in cases like these. Instead, just change the front of your cards to things like "fee (not 賃)" so you will know that is NOT the kanji that keyword goes to and be able to associate it with the correct one.
There are a bunch of other things I could write about RTK as well but these are probably the three most important points for any prospective Heisig-ers.
>>136092065
Also, my grammar isn't that good. So starting to do what this anon said isn't an option? How many hours per day do you think it would take to tackle that? I'm sorry for asking for someone to hold my hand through this, but I kinda need it.
君の名残は静かに揺れて is the greatest work of art every written. Every aspect of it, from the music to the story, from beginning to end, is perfection incarnate. It was worth all of those hundreds of hours of learning Japanese, solely to be able to read this beautiful, timeless masterpiece.
>>136092347
No idea, I didn't spend much time looking at it. If you want your hand held then by all means, but eventually you are going to have to learn to study indepentendly. Maybe set your new cards to 0/day for the deck you've worked on and keep doing those reviews as they come up, so you don't forget anything.
>>136092505
I see, that's a great idea. The exam is for a scholarship that only has 1 spot avaiable, full undergrad education all paid in Japan. So you guys are being really helpful. I'm very thankful.
>>136092388
/s?
>>136091166
This is my favorite djt meme. Please don't let it die out. Keep finding those pesky kanji for us, senpai.
>>136090977
I don't understand your problem. It's a really good step by step guide for complete beginners with everything they need. I'd give it a go in a heartbeat if it was posted early last year.
>enormous essay
According to word it is under 2,200 words and around a 1/3 of the size of our Guide. Is that really enormous to you? I thought it was short and witty for the most part. It made me smile and remember part of the excitement I had when first exploring the language. Looks more like the anon was having fun as opposed to being butthurt.
>>136091087
Is that taken from the blog of the ex-koohii poster, nestor/nest0r? Minimalist Japanese, or something? He has some pretty cool articles on that thing, from memory.
Interesting topic boys
>>136091744
This is quite literally the point of JLPT.
An N1 cert. allows you to objectively show reasonable proficiency with Japanese even if you don't sound fluent or aren't terribly good at production.
>>136091906
I plan on revealing to potential employers (inb4 normie) that I know Japanese... but only after I pass N1 this DecemberDekinai willing
>>136091668
>Wanikani isn't supposed to replace anki, only core 6k
Does WK have audio for words and sentences?
Also, doesn't WK do something with kanji in isolation? iKnow's Core program doesn't involve individual kanji learning at all, does it?
>>136091744
Does the job have anything to do with Japanese? Anyway, congrats on making it to the next interview.
>>136093014
Doesn't JLPT only test comprehension, though? Would employers not care that you can only understand it and can't really produce it?
>>136091166
Is this some kind of meme?
>>136090922
Anyone?
>>136093199
I see you're new here.Unless you're doing the epic pretending to be retarded meme, which is more or less what that post is
>>136091744
Just say a random line from an anime and you're good to go m8 :^)
>>136093297
corey wa nandeska
>>136092013
>But I need to be able to write my kanji for a test, so should I drop 2k6k and start over with this? Or should I just keep going 2k6k.
Why not integrate that link into your studies, replacing the Core10k instructions what you are already doing with Core2k/6k? Assuming you already know kana and basic grammar you can probably start at the step that involves the grammar deck and the kanji deck. It mentions Visualizing Japanese Grammar and by the sounds of it includes a deck with the video clips added to the cards themselves. Regardless of whether that appeals to you or not I think it is a general good idea for people to watch at least a dozen of the clips on visualizing japanese grammar (google it, the university site should be the first result) just because it provides a unique look at Japanese grammar which isn't really accessible in a text format.
Having a look at the pastebin now if I were you what I would do is use the kanji deck in step -4 and start at step -6, which sounds like where you may be at now.
>>136093358
Can we please stop talking about Corey in the house, everyone knows it's a shit anime.
>>136093401
I thought Corey in the House was an American 3D show about a funny little fat nigger?
>>136090697
医者、お医者、お医者さん、お医者様、医者の先生、ドクター
くらいの言い方の揺れがあるとおもうよ
ごっこがくっ付けられるのは、「お医者さん」だけだよ。あたしの地域ではね。
>おいしゃさんごっこ
>>136093358
hai degozaimassu
>>136093358
太いニーガーです
>>136093950
That's not very politically correct.
The acceptable terminology is "family sized chocolate block".
>>136093950
>>>/ポール/
>>136093168
Well, N1 won't be proof enough if you're interviewing to become a salesman, negotiator, or whatever.
But if you're going for some other position (for example, a firmware programmer for a company with a Japanese divison, or graduate school in Japan), it will mean a lot. Remember, they're sometimes sending people who know no Japanese at all. So someone who actually has the skill to pass N1 -and- has whatever other requisite training is an easy fit.
Also, despite what shitty redditors and youtubers claim, N1 does actually test a significant amount of kanji, vocab, grammar, and reading comprehension. If you know that much (assuming you didn't just pass with the minimum of 55% or something), you'll probalby pick up conversation and production pretty readily when you're immersed.
I'll show you the true power of friendship! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>136093635
妹が好きだよ
>>136094145
>>>/タンブラー/
>>136094145
>ポール
どうしてんの？
>>136092273
Just say that you're at the stage where you can only read Japanese because you don't have anyone to practice with until you take a visit to Japan. Reading is still pretty impressive to westerners since Kanji is like some otherworldly writing system.
>>136090648
That vocab deck is so bad and ugly.
>>136094263
Even more impressive if anon can write out a bunch of kanji on a piece of paper while explaining his proficiency to the interviewers. They'd probably see it as some sort of black magic.
>>136094305
I fail to see what is so bad and ugly about this. Little help?
>>136094327
Exactly. My entire family thinks I'm super smart because I memorized over 2000 combinations of lines. I can't ever let them know I only bothered to do so because I wanted to read eroge.
If you can teach someone something they know nothing about, even if it's just one word, they'll think a lot more highly of you.
If there's a nip there though, you're pretty much fucked. You may as well have tried to impress them by writing out your ABC's
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/easy/k10010368901000/k10010368901000.html
震災で大きな被害があった福島県、岩手県、宮城県の３つの県は、人口について発表しました。
"The 3 Areas largely hit by the earthquake, 福島県, 岩手県, 宮城県, regarding population has been released. "
What exactly is being released? There is no explicit statement of whether its information, or a report, or whatever. Am i reading this wrong?
>>136094584
>If there's a nip there though, you're pretty much fucked. You may as well have tried to impress them by writing out your ABC's
On the contrary, at least with my personal experience. Japanese seem even more impressed that you can write their language more than your average westerner. Not a huge sample size, though.
>>136094447
That looks fine to me.
>>136091906
Yeah. They'll ask you what their favorite anime characters are saying and get mad at you for not being proficient enough.
>>136094656
Really? That's interesting. Maybe it's just because I put myself in their shoes. If some foreign guy wrote the word "cat" on the board, no matter his background, I can't say I'd be impressed.
>>136094447
Needs black background, text too small, too much useless information, hints on the front.
>>136094715
Or shout at you loudly in public... SOW DES KA? NIHAUNGOW OH TABEMASUKA? In an enclosed spaced you can't escape from, like on the bus. And then you have to endure the stares of strangers while going h-hai like the faggot you are.
>>136094805
That's a little different... Japanese people can't even write Japanese.
>>136094805
Japanese have been more mystified by their language than we have about their language. There is a cultural propaganda that trickles through popular media, literature and daily life re-enforcing the idea that Japanese is this hard language westerners are incapable of learning.
>>136094859
>Needs black background
Why?
>text too small
Open up the image and zoom it it's normal size. The text is pretty large.
>too much useless information
What?
>hints on the front
Again, what?
>>136094447
There are three things I would change immediately (though this doesn't make it ugly)
1 - move "noun" below 二十日
2 - remove 二十日 from the back and just have it be はつか
3 - put English meaning below the kanji word
4 - (optional) remove Freq because it doesn't matter at all
That current format doesn't really consider the flow of eye very well if you know what I mean, pretty awkward to look at and over time to use.
>>136094919
>English meaning on front
Are you out of your mind?
>>136094630
They are releasing info regarding the size of the populaton. Doesn't say how it is released or what it is, probably just some generic report
>>136094919
>3 - put English meaning below the kanji word
hihaihaahahahiaahllaaoaowawoawgh
>>136094919
My bad, I meant below the kana reading. I was looking at the format when I was typing and the kanji is on the back on it.
>>136094980
See above.
>>136094919
>pretty awkward to look at and over time to use.
This is the Core 10k deck which has been in the CoR, taken from a kanji koohii thread, for ages. I've been using it on ankidroid and anki desktop and the issue of
>doesn't really consider the flow of eye very well if you know what I mean
Well, I have no idea what you mean because it has been perfectly fine for daily reviewing. I think you've been duped into believing that what is written in the anki startup guide is the best and only way to set up the core deck.
>>136095034
There are multiple core decks in the CoR. You just so happened to pick the bad one and are now trying desperately to defend it
>>136094919
>That current format doesn't really consider the flow of eye very well if you know what I mean, pretty awkward to look at and over time to use.
This is really vague; what do you mean exactly? My deck looks almost identical aside the font.
>>136095080
Can you address the above? The Core2k/6k/10k deck is an improvement on the Core2k/6k deck and I am really struggling to understand your criticisms as they seem to boil down to 'I don't like it because I don't like it'- which I really doubt is the case.
>>136094881
>>136094911
Yeah, I can see what you guys mean. I think it's just because knowing English in any non-third world country is so commonplace that it seems really weird to me to be impressed by your own language. If that same guy started writing polish, even if I were polish myself, on the board, then I would have a much different reaction.
>>136095199
At the end of the day culture isn't inherently rational. しょうがないね。
>>136094225
べべべべべつにおにいちゃんのことなんか
ぜんっぜんすきじゃないんだからね
>>136094919
I illustrated it.
>>136095034
I don't see how it having been there for ages matters when it comes to having an awkward format. Core used to have that GOD awful yellow format if you know what I'm taking about for a long ass time.
The format''s "fine" but it's pretty suboptimal, at least in my eyes, everythign I listed would make it a lot better I think.
I actually made the format in the startup guide, obviously I'd think it's the best.
>>136095158
>Noun below word
The first thing you should see should be what you're recalling, clearly. Having to skip over "noun" and "verb" every time is annoying and visually distracting, either you'll zone it out or skip over it every time, either way it's inferior to being on the bottom.
>remove 二十日 from the back and just have it be はつか
You already know it's 二十日 from the front, repeating it doesn't help anything. Having just the reading as seen in pic related is clearer.
>put English meaning below the kana reading
Like this, vertically speaking, one will see Kanji word -> kana reading -> english meaning, a nice flow from Japanese into English, which I think makes more logical sense than jumping back and forther with Kanji word -> English meaning -> Kana reading. Furthermore, having the reading right below the kanji allows you to immediately see whether you read it correctly or not, removing the temptation to press "good" as long as you got the meaning right, which is relevant because it's easier to derive meaning from kanji than it is to derive reading a lot of the time, especially in core. This is arguable though, my main focus here is just the logical kanji -> kana -> english. It reads better to me.
>(optional) remove Freq because it doesn't matter at all
I have full confidence that anyone using this deck will neither memorize nor look at Freq the vast majority of the time so it can be fully removed and not affect the deck too much. I said "optional" because really it doesn't matter.
>>136094974
no no i dont think you understand it literally is saying "releasing concerning population". Is this just how japanese works? The subject apparently is the prefecture (３つの県は) but you cant release a "regarding prefecture".
Fictional Japanese characters sure sigh a lot.
>>136095354
>when it comes to having an awkward format
What is awkward about it? The deck image you have presented is so superficially different that those using it on a daily basis for a small handful of minutes wouldn't care either way.
You keep saying objective things like inferior, etc. but it still boils down to your personal preferences. The layout you have presented looks worse than the image presented in this post >>136094447
>>136094805
>If some foreign guy wrote the word "cat" on the board, no matter his background, I can't say I'd be impressed.
Don't be silly.
Knowing 3000 kanji is objectively more difficult than knowing a 26 character alphabet.
Do you really think the Japanese are so stupid that they can't see that basic fact?
Do you think it's any easier for them to memorize all those kanji than it is for us? Remember, they're homo sapiens, just like you...
>>136095472
>What is awkward about it?
>>136094919
>The layout you have presented looks worse than the image presented in this post
I don't believe you.
>>136095371
> Is this just how japanese works
>japanese
>working
The only working part of this god-forsaken language is the giant foreigner barrier they put up.
Fuck.
>>136095371
発表 = announcement
So they are announcing info about the population, how they do it is not written
>>136095488
Yeah, a bit too late on your response though. I already atoned for my ignorance
>>136095199
>>136095354
>a nice flow
>It reads better to me.
>I have full confidence that anyone using this deck
Subjective projection. I get that you think the format in the anki startup guide is the only way but all you've offered is personal preferences that have nothing to do with objectivity. Does it bother you that much that other people use something that doesn't line up with your preferences?
Seems kind of desperate, man.
>>136095371
I think you are confused about the meaning of the verb. 人口について just means "something regarding the population (numers)" as you said, 発表 means announced here, not released. So there doesn't have to be a noun like 報告.
>>136095608
It's way better than the shit you posted, daft cunt.
>>136094145
実は、八/ポール/はそんなに悪くないよ、名無しさん。俺はいつもそこにいるよ。
>>136095354
The thing with Anki is that you could customize the deck to look exactly like that. So what's the problem aside from it not coming like that out of the box? The order is the important thing for beginners and it's objectively better than the core2k/6k shitfest.
>>136095608
>subjective
I listed some ~objective~ points, for example
>The first thing you should see should be what you're recalling, clearly. Having to skip over "noun" and "verb" every time is annoying and visually distracting
>Like this, vertically speaking, one will see Kanji word -> kana reading -> english meaning,
>You already know it's 二十日 from the front, repeating it doesn't help anything.
I would like to see any argument as to the contrary. It's all well and good that you can point to me and say "subjective", but I actually explained my reasoning for my format. Can you do the same?
>I get that you think the format in the anki startup guide is the only way
No, there are other ways, they just tend to be worse, like the one I corrected.
>Does it bother you that much that other people use something that doesn't line up with your preferences?
No, I just have the best for everyone else in my heart. I am not bothered at all. I've gotten pretty weary when it comes to helping people with anki, though, given all these semi-newbies that seem pretty heated with keeping stuff messed up like the awful DOJG format. I guess this is like the passing of the old guard or some such. No point in fighting it or being bothered.
>>136091744
>Okay, anon, say something in Japanese!
>>136095608
His is vastly better. You have no sense of design or composition. His explanation is spot on. I'm guessing you're not an artist. Freshman comp-sci maybe?
>>136095805
Shut up and post the format so I don't have to fuck with it.
>>136095517
>I don't believe you.
That about sums up your entire line of argument, doesn't it? Projection, incredulity and personal preference. If you have such confidence you could always upload the zip folder linked at the start of the thread, replacing the vocab deck which is in it. If I had that sort of confidence that it was "objectively superior" and thus better for learners, that is what I would do if I cared about the topic.
Why not do that? You have the superior format for learning, right? I'm sure the anon who uploaded it would appreciate someone improving what they put together. That is how the mega folder came to be in the first place, after all.
>>136095827
>Implying UX isn't a major part of compsci
Nigra please.
"If you're heart is gay so too will be your butt."
-Hiroyuki Miyazaki
>>136095872
I don't have the Core10k deck they're using so I can't. Wouldn't really matter anyway because what's in the COR and shared mega is what everyone's gonna use.
>>136095884
Like I mentioned in my other post I don't really have the zeal for that. I'm pretty confident in my format but an old man shouldn't shake his cane at the kids about what's cool and what's not. It's a shame that a bunch of people will be using that bad format but sometimes life turns out bad.
>>136095826
watashi wa anon-desu
anata no haato o dokidoki~shiteru
kira!
>>136095884
Also, I said "I don't believe you" because I have some inkling that the people responding to me are attacking beliefs and not the actual format. Given that, for instance, you and this post >>136095608 didn't actually make any arguments or provide any reasoning against my suggested changes, instead they attack me and call me subjective, sure OK but what about the format? I had a half a mind that you were just being contrarian, therefore I didn't believe you.
>>136096107
Retard.
>>136095894
>Implying that has been true for more than the last five years
>Implying freshman compsci students are competent at anything other than arrogance
Do you remember what open source software looked like 10 years ago?
>>136096107
First, I don't even see wherever "noun" is on the front template, so that's confusing.
Second, I would switch {{Vocabulary-Kana}} to be on top but elaborating from the image {{Vocabulary-Kana}} probably has kanji? Since what's below English is Kanji in the original image.
Honestly, like I said though, I can't change what's in the CoR or the shared rar so it doesn't really matter. Change it how you want to and that'll be that for you.
>>136096254
Okay even though you posted this crap a while ago i had to comment. First Starting off your a BAKA and if you don't what that means do some research, also, it doesn't matter where she's born it matters what her parent's Race is, which in her case her parent's are Japanese which MAKES HER JAPANESE YOU BAKA!
Oh and if your being a Troll your a fucking idiot.
What's wrong with the format the deck almost everyone starts on uses (the one in the startup pastebin)? Hell, what's wrong with just putting the startup deck there instead (but fixing the format to add images back since that was removed from the back template if I recall correctly). Plus 10k is a bit overkill since most people recommend mining after 2k anyways.
>>136096679
>>136096679
Is this the birth of an epic new meme?
>>136096817
It was until you fucked it up bub.
>>136096838
Is this the birth of an epic new meme?
>>136096838
I don't like your tone, pal.
>>136096888
Don't give me that, bro.
>>136096923
Choke on my rod, bro.
>>136096923
If you're gonna pretend to be me you better take responsibility and do as I would, obey >>136097296
>>136097296
Gladly.
>>136097335
When did I pretend to be you? I'm just memeing.
>>136092388
Did you finish it already? If so, congratulations.
Now I am even more sure I am making the right decision in saving it for later when my skills have improved. I wouldn't want to ruin something like that by reading it too early.
>>136097371
When you replied to >>136096888 which was directed at me.
>>136097414
That's just a meme.
>>136097433
You're just a meme, friend.
Anyone else like to sit up all night and listen to love songs and cry in Japanese?
得ることよりも失わないことが大事なものだってあるだろう
translate it weebs
Seriously I just can't grasp the exact meaning.
Not losing something is more important than gaining something ?
>>136097746
Nah, I listen to manly songs, not some girly shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvDPYg7wxvc
>>136097805
>Not losing something is more important than gaining something?
That's exactly right. What are you unsure about?
>>136097805
Pleasure of acquiring cum inside you
>>136097933
Nothing.
>>136095708
I didn't create that deck.
>>136095805
>I listed some ~objective~ points
None of that is objective. It's all your subjective preferences as to what you think is better.
>No, there are other ways, they just tend to be worse, like the one I corrected.
See: you are incapable of reasoning.
>given all these semi-newbies that seem pretty heated with keeping stuff messed up like the awful DOJG format
These are the best two deck we have.
>>136095827
>His is vastly better.
It isn't.
>You have no sense of design or composition.
Entirely irrelevant.
>His explanation is spot on. I'm guessing you're not an artist. Freshman comp-sci maybe?
Projection and assumptions, now samefaggotry.
>>136095987
>It's a shame that a bunch of people will be using that bad format but sometimes life turns out bad.
It is good, though.
>>136098121
All I got from that post is that you didn't explain your reasoning so your post doesn't mean a lot.
>>136098185
>so your post doesn't mean a lot.
At the end of the day it will mean more than anything anon/you can complain about because he/you isn't doing anything about his/your issues.
/a/utists are really adept at sperging out over tiny irrelevant issues and never doing anything about it. Meanwhile people who use that folder/guide/thing and follow it as laid out will likely become more proficient that the vast majority of anons who come here day in day out arguing over pointless shit and freaking out when other people don't share their black and white worldview. Results are the only meaningful aspect of language acquisition. Arguing over whether a card is laid out as
>Noun
>医者
or
>医者
>Noun
is not only pointless but it isn't productive nor constructive. What have you achieved by getting emotionally invested in an argument you aren't going to do anything about? I'd argue that the best part of that set up is that everything is there and any anon using it won't need to come to these threads and be distracted by the milieu of arguments based around non-consequential shit. Even wanikani is more productive for learners than the opposition to the color and minor layout differences this anon/you have been puffing hot air over.
>>136097383
Yeah, definitely a good idea. You'll undoubtedly appreciate it more that way.
It actually feels so good to get such clear evidence of how much my Japanese ability has improved. Being able to smoothly zoom through scenes without having to stop and look words up or think about the grammar is just the best feeling ever. Although it's a little sad that I'll never get to experience the thrill and excitement of reading a sex scene while constantly looking words up again, one hand vigorously working away while the other mouses through the text parser, my brain simultaneously filled with passionate loving sex and all this useful new vocab. That was what I loved the most about Flyable Heart sex scenes.
>>136098539
>At the end of the day it will mean more than anything anon/you can complain about because he/you isn't doing anything about his/your issues.
I put the format I think is best in Anki Startup Guide like a year ago and people have been using it since. I did do something about it. And I did something again when I recommended changes to the "new" deck posted. However this time the format in question is in the CoR and the mega that anon's sharing so there's not a lot I can do, it's not publicly editable stuff, and even if it were, it'd be obnoxious of me to change things that other people apparently don't agree with.
>What have you achieved by getting emotionally invested in an argument you aren't going to do anything about?
I'm not really emotionally invested. Maybe a little weary.
>Arguing over whether a card is laid out as is not only pointless but it isn't productive nor constructive.
I have no idea why people argued against my suggestions, especially since no one has yet explained why they aren't better. All I get are accusations of being subjective. I do not think discussions about card formats aren't constructive, these slight changes improve the anki experience in my opinion quite significantly and the changes are small enough to not be a big deal.
>>136098645
If you know 感触 you can understand 50% of the sex scenes. That word is permanently burned into my memory from Flyable Heart.
>>136099130
i guessed it based on the radicals, do i know japanese?
>>136099179
Yes, congratulations.
>have an untold amount of raw Japanese material at my disposal, more than anyone years ago would have been able to collect in a lifetime
>don't touch any of it
>>136099316
Most of the time I just sit around and literally do nothing.
>>136099316
Why spend time on native materials when you could be doing Wanikani
What's a good mnemonic-based deck?
>>136099813
Good point.
Is there any benefit to owning a physical dictionary? I like having my DOJGs nearby and reference quite often, but for vocab, I can't see how having the real thing would be any better than smartphone radicals search, for reading physical materials, and OCR for digital.
>>136100169
Fuck no holy shit
>>136100169
Nope. Physical shit is just cumbersome and annoying to use.
Even after reading a lot, combinations of multiples ん、の、じゃない、etc. at sentence end still give me trouble. I read something like あまり恥かかせるんじゃないの and I'm just not sure what the fuck it's supposed to mean. Anyone know a good resource for this stuff?
>>136100423
Reread Tae Kim
>>136100720
If you don't have anything to contribute just don't reply.
>>136100759
If that didn't seem helpful to you, then
you can't learn japanese /shrug
>>136100076
One you make yourself.
>>136100848
Telling someone to re-read a basic grammar guide is not helpful.
>>136100423
1) の can turn verbal phrases into noun phrases like "~ing" and "to ~" in english.
2) じゃない just means "is not"
3) Ending a sentence in の can be another way of asking a question
>>136101092
>2) じゃない just means "is not"
Err anon
>>136101103
What?
>>136101022
Well his/your question was based on basic grammar. Clearly his fundamentals are shakey if he's asking such a basic question
>>136101177
When people react with hostility to being told to reread a basic grammar guide that's because they already read it and it won't help them any more.
>>136101164
How familiar are you with grammar? How confident are you in your understanding of "あまり恥かかせるんじゃないの"
>>136101092
I know all those things, but that doesn't make sense in context. In fact the fan translation of this line is "don't embarass me too much." Which would make sense. I've also found example sentences with Jisho like:
ーー
帰り道で道草するんじゃないのよ。
Don't play around too much after school.
ーー
And if I interpret it this way it makes sense.
https://youtu.be/ZNUbICdVkXo?t=609
>these beautiful r rolls
tfw cursed with american accent
>>136101215
>帰り道で道草する
Play around on the way home
>帰り道で道草するんじゃないのよ。
Don't play around on the way home
>>136101329
So essentially んじゃないの can be used like しなでください to give a command/make a request? Do you know if there's an entry in DOJG that talks about this?
>>136101392
しないでください
>>136100169
Denshi Jisho are fucking amazing, but they're expensive and you can't operate one until you're at a fairly advanced Japanese level. (They're made primarily for Japanese students studying English.)
If you aren't doing a shit-ton of translation, stick to your smartphone apps.
>>136101415
This isn't reddit, you don't need to post just to correct typos.
>>136101215
>And if I interpret it this way it makes sense.
Then just do that. Don't get bogged down in analyzing the grammar. That's not how people actually learn languages. Just get the general idea and move on. The more times you encounter it in usage, the better you will understand it.
>>136101214
I'm fluent and you're going to have to explain how じゃない somehow isn't a negative copula, even if it's used in an indirect imperative construction. It's just like saying "no Xing" in english.
>>136101436
Check timestamps
>>136101492
Ok. I asked how familiar you were with grammar because "じゃない just means "is not" implied you didn't understand how it was being used, which is an interpretation I think you'll understand.
>>136101529
It's okay I just felt like it was unmet hostility.
>>136101392
するんじゃない is the "Don't" part in the sentence, the じゃない part makes it negative
I've never read DOJG but I suppose it would have something on it
>>136101296
Fuck he's annoying to listen to.
>>136101558
Don't insult Pocky you swine.
Really though he talks quickly so it's good practice, I think, anime feels kind of slow after watching him for awhile, and furthermore Mario Maker is fun to watch to begin with, unlike say Fallout 3 which I imagine would have actually important narration.
>>136101555
Naahh, just making sure we understood each other because explaining anything
>>136101609
He sounds like a DQN.
I will communicate with you one day, Imouto
>私だってわからないわよ．でも何が起こるかわからないわ．アナル，アナル，アナル，アナル，アナル，アナル，アナル，アナル，アナル，アナル，アナル，アナル，アナル，アナル
Japanese truly is beautiful
>>136101903
What doesだってmean here?
>>136101948
It meanseven
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmzyC3T2tqc
watch this video without getting nervous when they call him, i bet you can't do it
>>136102182
I cringed out as soon as I saw what website he was on.
>>136102182
>having banners in your skype
>>136102182
Matt is a cool guy
Gather round everyone! It's time for some quality WaniKani magic!
>>136102447
I guess I can't, because I already finished wanikani :)
It is truly the most effective and convenient Japanese learning solution on the market today.
>>136100423
google maggiesensei, she has a great writeup with tons of examples about じゃない
>>136102561
That's right, brother.
>>136102561
I'm sure it's fine when you get into the thick of it, but I don't want to spend weeks or more grinding out shit I already know just with very slightly different names, so I get marked wrong on shit I'm comfortable with.
>>136102566
>maggiesensei
>>136102447
>>136100169
>>136101424
I managed to acquire a casio EX word d9800 from a friend. So here's the deal:
It absolutely shits on ANY smartphone app. Fuck a radical search, just write the kanji on either of its screens. It has tons of dictionaries and encyclopedias built in. (There's even a cursive script kanji dictionary.) Another very noteworthy feature is the "Jump" button that lets you look up definitions within a definition, with a single click. There's also sound (i.e. can reads words aloud), flashcard feature (no SRS tho), ability to write notes in the dictionary, save lookups into word lists for review, etc.
The big downside is that they are expensive. Also, they are designed for japanese people -- the UI and manual are in Japanese only.
Overall for reading physical media, it just doesn't get any better. I hardly ever open up Jisho.org anymore since I got this thing.
But as nice as it is, in the end it just can't compare to convenience and speed of the "mouse over" dictionaries like Rikaisama or your texthookers of choice. So, at least for me, reading material on the computer still trumps reading physical media.
>>136102776
What are you trying to say?
It's a very good resource.
>>136102810
As if.
>>136103176
Maggiesensei is dead
>>136103267
It's back.
>>136103313
Maggiesensei is the name of the dog, and she died awhile ago ;_;
>>136103408
Oh. I didn't know that. Well shit.
>tfw you gay
I didn't read any today and there's nothing anyone can do about it.
>>136103602
Why would we try to anyways? It's not me you're hurting.
>>136103514
Repent sinner, ere judgment cometh.
>>136103712
That's what you think.
>WaniKani reviews are at a point where doing them and my anki reps are becoming a chore.
I gotta cut one.
>>136103816
>something has become a chore, thus I will stop doing it
CAN'T
>>136103971
Spending this much time on flashcards is worthless, anon-kun.
>>136103993
You're such a noob you're still doing wanikani-level material and you think you know how to learn Japanese? Just who the hell do you think you are, kid?
Just drinking some coffee and reading the thread.
>>136104076
keep me posted
>>136104063
I'll show you what I'm really made of! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!
>>136104110
*runs you through with my katana*
owaridaze...
A reminder that ironic shitposting is just shitposting.
>>136104150
諦めるか
そのくらいで
せやああああ！
>>136104150
the only mono that's owari...is omae no lifeu...
KKKKKSHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
*turns out of log form and uses cheetah strike*
are you regreting not to being born to Japanese?
you whould never be pure Japanese person.
>>136105295
Learning japanese as an anglo is a lot easier than the other way around.
>>136105321
but youll be never be Japanese
>>136105373
but I will
>>136105396
NEVER
>>136105418
WILL
>>136105295
Why would I want to be Japanese? Learning the language gives me all the benefits of being Japanese and none of the downsides. The only thing they have other there that we don't have here is pretty girls and being free of minorities. Jap males look like shit most of the time so it's not worth the tradeoff being one.
I am Karaage
>>136105462
but youll never be Japanese
nisemonogatari
>>136105462
But this way you can never mate with a qt Japanese girl without being a disgusting mixer..
>>136105634
Yea, it's a tough dilemma. Japanese girls are the prettiest but if I have a kid with them I'll be diluting my own gene pool. Also if it's a male they'll be in the worst of positions since girls don't like half white/asian males but if it's a girl they'll probably turn out all right since half japanese girls are really good. They might even be better than the originals. Kind of like half saiyans.
>>136105861
It is interesting that on average, people of all races consider Asian women the most attractive, but Asian men the least. If I remember correctly, it was the exact opposite with blacks.
Jap girls are fucking ugly outside of the 5 "pure" whores you see in your internet idol bubble.
>>136105534
こんばんは。あからげさん
油加減はいかがですか
>>136106240
Please. On average they're the best asian race and when comparing best of the best, only China's very best is better.
Drank my coffee earlier, made another cup.
>>136106637
>On average they're the best asian race
This isn't saying much.
>>136106671
keep me posted
>>136106701
Asians make up like 70% of the world's population.
>>136106717
Doesn't matter when all of them are chinese factory slaves.
