Is Slam Dunk the GOAT sports manga? Will we ever get something similar? No superpowers, no forced drama, just the celebration of a sport in all its beauty?
>>136003012
Haikyuu!!
That's the problem with creating these threads saying "is X the best/goat sports manga" cuz one fag post Haikyuu and the entire thread gets derailed. I like Slam Dunk better because of the characters but Diamond no Ace and Baby Steps come close. Haven't seen Ashita no Joe or Cross Game yet.
>>136003228
>Ashita no Joe
It's not really about boxing, though. If you're looking for the traditional shonen narrative, Hajime no Ippo is better.
>>136003228
Diamond no is absolutely awful cliche'd shit.
>>136003228
But HQ is actually quite good.
I just started Diamond no Ace and i really like it so far. I'm glad theres a lot to watch already. I guess i'll watch Baby Stepst after that.
Kuroko no Basket was a big letdown. Couldn't get over episode 5. I don't get the hype from normies at all.
>>136003283
This.
>>136003380
I found Haikyuu!! to be just ok. The characters just aren't good enough for me and the training arcs painfully boring.
>>136003333
How is it cliche'd? Did you get past the first season? It does begin with the traditional sports archetypes like the hot head MC and the quiet reserved genius rival but it evolves halfway through the story.
>>136003695
>It does begin with the traditional sports archetypes like the hot head MC and the quiet reserved genius rival but it evolves halfway through the story.
I couldn't even get past the first episode exactly because of this, and it had a bunch other awful cliches, there's just no way this could actually make a good manga on the level of Slam Dunk or Haikyuu!!, sure it can be enjoyable but fuck it just can't be good unless the writing does a complete 180 and gets real, which is unlikely.
>>136003228
Rough is a pretty good swimming mango too
>>136003810
But that's exactly what it does. Keep going man you won't regret it.
>>136003695
Well I think HQ is just pure fun to watch. It's true that it's not very deep or maybe totally original but i find it a ood combination of comedy/sports/SoL.
>>136003695
>>136003810
I'm at ep06 from DnA right now and i really like the fact that the MC has to start at the very bottom. Also yeah hes kinda cliche with "my friends" etc but i felt like it was good introduced and felt real. The scene at the train station was bitter. Also he sees his mistakes and tries to learn from it.
>>136003885
>Adatchi Mitsuru
I think he suffers from same face more than any other mangaka. It's hard for me to get into his works because of that but I'll force myself just cuz he's a legend.
Come on now, you're forgetting something.
>>136003012
>liking fujoshit gayshit
>The success of Slam Dunk is cited as an influence in the increased popularity of basketball among the Japanese youth during the 1990s.
Has there been any other sports manga as influential as SD?
>>136003920
Spoil me, tell me something tragic happens, someone dies, the MC quits school, changes team, anything?
>>136003976
MCs starting from the bottom is beyond cliche, come on, and seeing mistakes and improving is just goddamn obvious, not exactly something to stand out.
>>136003986
I understand your point, but Adachi's storytelling is almost perfect.
>>136004102
>Hikaru no Go dramatically increased the popularity of Go in Japan and elsewhere, particularly among young children.
>>136003012
>no superpowers
So there are no energy beam backflip fade aways from half court?
I might have to start reading that shit
>>136004571
This was pretty meh.
Is there an Adachi with no romance?
>>136004657
Well, you do have to suspend your disbelief at times when you have high schoolers dunking with ease or pump faking mid air, but it's certainly on the same level as Kuroko no Basket. It's just pure, fundamental basketball.
>>136004297
You tell me you don't like cliches but list a bunch of forced drama cliches that don't make up a good sports anime. Go watch Major for that shit. DnA is purely about baseball and the characters are diverse.
It's the way that they handle the cliches is what makes it great. Sawamura's progression from shittier to almost ace tier is absolutely rewarding to see. And it's believable unlike most shonen when the MC progresses at an alarming rate which is beyond dumb.
>>136004649
Fuck, I really enjoyed Hikaru No Go. I have a go board because of it. No one to play with, though. ;_;
Rookies
>>136003885
Loved Rough, but is even less of a sport manga the the usual Adachi manga.
Oofuri
>>136004762
>but it's certainly on the same level as Kuroko no Basket.
You mean it's NOT on the same level? Slam Dunk is pretty realistic, you mention how ridiculously the highschool teams level is, like if they were NBA but who knows man, I mean check highschool and college football, it's ridiculous the level these kids have and they're not even professionals really. The least realistic thing is the fact that that basketball probably isn't or wasn't that big when it was done but who knows.
I listed "forced drama" because that would be somewhat of a hitn that the writing of cliche'd and linear shit, copying a million other series that have done it already would be changing at least.
>it's believable unlike most shonen when the MC progresses at an alarming rate
If you say so, but even if that was the case the awful cliches are still there, it's just too shallow. But then when series like Ashita no Joe, Ping Pong or REAL are mentioned people quickly dismiss them because "they're not about the sport" and that's bullshit, good writing is good writing that's it.
>>136004992
I miss Morita ;_;
>>136003986
See http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2014-09-16/mitsuru-adachi-cant-tell-his-own-characters-apart/.78792
>>136005137
kek
>>136004723
Some less than others.
>>136003012
Just finished marathoning Slam Dunk. What an amazing manga series.
I got some questions: How is the anime? Quality looks bad. And did this manga get canceled prematurely or something? The story just suddenly stopped and an ending seemed tacked on. There were subplots like Sakuragi's beef with the giant player, Hiroshi, that were hyped up but didn't go anywhere.
>>136004723
Adventure Boys, though they are just short stories.
>>136005320
That's life, you meet people, some others you don't, everyone has their own story and they're the MC of their own lives, they don't get to be part of yours all the time. To me it feels realistic and it ended perfectly.
As for the Anime it's good but it's also the anime with the worst, most dragged out pacing in history, sick openings thought, and the voice acting is great as well.
>>136005320
You posted this the other day and I wasn't gonna respond but the thread got axed. The anime isn't really that good compared to the manga as it has filler and doesn't even have a conclusion.
>>136005097
Just watch it faggot. There's real development and more than most of the shallow shit you've seen.
>>136003283
Ashita no Joe may follow the traditional shounen narrative, but i'm not sure how can claim is not about boxing, it had huge focus on it.
>>136005327
Cheers
>>136005320
>And did this manga get canceled prematurely or something?
I wonder about this too now that you've mention it, though the finale was really amazing. It didn't seem like something Inoue didn't plan to end on.
Haikyuu is some kiddy shit, no way can it hang with slam dunk.
>>136004102
>In Japan, the Eyeshield 21 manga has sold over 20 million volumes. The manga and anime have been featured at various times in weekly top ten lists of best-selling in their respective media. The anime has been watched by a large number of television viewers in Japan, helping to raise American football's popularity in the country.
>>136005611
>You posted this the other day and I wasn't gonna respond
>I wasn't gonna respond
okay ;_;
we're not talking about ES21 because it has superpowers, right? Because it's a fucking excellent series and very much worth reading, just stop after the Christmas Bowl if you don't care about 20 chapters of masturbatory superfluous epilogue.
>>136005817
Is American football really that popular in Japan though? As far as I know, they're more keen on baseball and basketball
Slam Dunk is GOAT, but keep in mind that in the late 80s and 90s Jordan shock the world.
>>136005772
It's better.
Dumping 10 days after
>>136005902
true. However, they are pretty much the #2 country in the world for Handegg, after the US.
Well maybe Canada is #2, but still. Japan likes it more than 99% of the world.
>>136004086
>Jet sounds intensifies
>>136004096
Are you fucking kidding me
Fujoshits stay away from SD like the plague
>>136004102
>>136004649
>>136005817
Kek, niggers that's WEAK.
>Captain Tsubasa inspired the prominent footballers such as Hidetoshi Nakata, Alessandro Del Piero, Fernando Torres, Zinedine Zidane, Lionel Messi, Alexis Sánchez and Andrés Iniesta to play football and choose it as a career as well as Stephen Chow's film Shaolin Soccer and an Adidas running shoes.
>A bronze statue of Tsubasa Oozora will be erected in the neighborhood of the anime's creator in Katsushika, Tokyo in spring 2013
>>136005707
Of course he plan it to end it there, why else would he make a 4-5 volume long match? How can people be so retarded about the ending, they expect the team to continue all the way to the nationals defeating everyone? That's retarded, the manga would've been like 600 chapters long and become dull at some point.
>>136005817
Slam Dunk is among the top 10 best selling manga in the world, it sold 6x times more than the Eyeshield manga.
>>136006011
I wanted to be Mitsui as a kid, unfortunately my shooting was always shit ;_;
>>136003012
Sakuragi just gets cucked throughout the entire manga. But he finally finds his true love at the end, basketball.
>>136005902
It's not super popular, but Eyeshield 21 definitely helped to raise awareness of the sport. The mangaka for Eyeshield 21 mentions in an interview that Slam Dunk was a huge influence on him, in the sense that he wanted to do for American Football what SD did for basketball in Japan.
I think a huge problem with trying to popularize American Football is that it's so equipment-heavy and requires a large number of people, so it's not something a couple of friends could do together. Not to mention, it's just not a sport built for Asians.
That said, 20 years after SD, Japan established its basketball pro-league. They directly credit SD with its creation. Maybe the same will happen for E21.
>>136006297
>Slam Dunk is among the top 10 best selling manga in the world, it sold 6x times more than the Eyeshield manga.
And? Question was about influence.
>>136006371
I don't think American Football will ever be that popular outside of the US. You already listed some great reasons why. Basketball I think is just an easier sport to get into.
>>136006334
Is there a collection of these pictures?
>>136006371
there is a professional football league in Japan, though, the X-league. The winner of that plays against the winner of the college leagues in what is called the Rice Bowl. I swear I'm not making this up.
>>136006595
Rice Bowl is on Eyeshield, Sena and Hiruma want to win it.
>>136006522
You can find them here with some others.
>>136003012
Haikyuu fits all of those categories.
>>136006595
It's a league, but I don't think it qualifies as professional. For one, I don't think anyone in the X-league does it for a living, they all have other jobs. Also, professional leagues don't usually play against college leagues.
The X-League in Japan is more equivalent to arena football in the US.
>>136006136
DRAGON SCREAMER! DRAGON FEVER! NO QUESTION!
>>136006730
forgot link.
http://browse.minitokyo.net/gallery?tid=932&index=3
>>136006136
Captain Tsubasa is the only answer.
It inspired a whole generation of footballers all around the world, not only Japan, I don't think you can get any more influential than that.
fin
>>136006873
Thank you anon
>>136006826
Kek that Tabuse nigga went undrafted and literally played like 10 games
![[screams internally].png](https://i.imgur.com/KcL2Mff.png "[screams internally].png")
>>136003012
Yes. I still feel really bad that I wasn't able to get me one of those limited edition Sakuragi Js.
>>136006826
>>136006873
Damn man thanks, this reminded em how good this manga is. There's a way Inoue writes that he mentioned once in his CNN interview, that his stories are sort of like a documentary on these characters that simply exist for him, it's not so much as he writes as story for them instead of him just writing about them and their own stories. His writing just feels real and grounded.
>>136003012
>liking bascuckball: the manga
>>136006944
The fact he ever made it to the NBA as a small japanese guy is a pretty impressive achievement in itself.
>>136003228
Cross Game has the best first episode from any series I've ever watched. So good that they even aired it twice!
>>136006998
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SAKURAGI-10-SHOHOKU-SLAM-DUNK-JERSEY-AUTHORIZED-NEW-SEWN-ANY-SIZE/252004504282?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D34492%26meid%3D586d3b58ec0044f7bba6feaf38909552%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26sd%3D150642474088
>>136006297
>they expect the team to continue all the way to the nationals defeating everyone?
No, but I don't expect them to lose off-screen.
>>136006136
It also fucked the japanese football, as every kid and player wanted to play like the MC, neglecting the other roles/positions.
>>136007106
I meant these though.
>>136007230
But that's good, the fact that they defeated the best team and were too tired is like the best excuse ever so that when they lose it doesn't feel like shit, know what I mean? Like despite losing it's a feel good ending, gives a nice conclusion and in high spirits.
>>136006522
Inoue Takehiko's Slam Dunk artbook, quite simply
>>136007359
They probably feel like champs already because they managed to defeat that one team that Shat all over Kainan.
Though I really would have really liked a rematch between Shohoku and Kainan.
>>136007286
I think the red ones look better but even then not a huge fan, rather get the classic Jordans Sakuragi used.
>>136007359
No, it's not great, it fucking awful.
I want to see them win or lose, I don't want the narrator to tell me what happened.
>>136007505
I was afraid that the illustration on the red ones might fade compared to this one which looked like they were stitched in
I already own the classic Jordan but it just doesn't feel the same.
>>136007653
Well I disagree, seeing a match were not a single one of the starting players is even playing, a bunch of newbie first years and whatnot trying to play against another team and get rekt instantly, come on, think about it, that would make for an awful match to read, a waste of time.
>>136007671
>it just doesn't feel the same.
What you mean? Because it isn't an actual Slam Dunk thing? Yeah I get it, but not a fan of those shoes, if I were to buy something I'd buy Sakuragi's original jersey and frame it or use it ever now and then in the house.
>>136007860
>Well I disagree, seeing a match were not a single one of the starting players is even playing, a bunch of newbie first years and whatnot trying to play against another team and get rekt instantly, come on, think about it, that would make for an awful match to read, a waste of time.
Then change the match before that, make them lose against Sannoh instead.
>>136007860
It's the Slam dunk thing, plus the feel of having a limited edition item lording it over my other shoefag friends.Me and my buddies actually printed out our own Shohoku jerseys back in the day.
Anyone know/remember Hungry Heart? Football(soccer for you burgers)manga by the same author of Captain Tsubasa. The manga isn't anything special, but the anime was really good. Not much over-the-top stuff, no named ultimate moves, well-written characters, the team has a pretty balanced and realistic win/loss ratio (something I think even an awesome manga like Eyeshield faltered on when the fall tournament began), and the relationship between the hero and the heroine is ridiculously well-handled for the standards of the genre.
>>136007983
So that's it? A losing ending simply makes it a better ending in your eyes? Why is that?
>>136008883
I do, the MC actually reminds me a lot of Sakuragi from SD now that I think about it, it's surprising how obscure that anime, it's never talked about or mentioned in sports threads or nothing, it's completely average as far as I remember but still. (hell it might even be good I don't remember shit)
>>136003986
I don't even bother with names at this point, I just check the face and know which archetype it is, because he uses the same features for the different roles in like everything he does.
>>136008997
Don't know, I think it was better than average, aside from the other stuff I've mentioned there's more going for it such as good character development, the matches lasting the right amount of time and there being a pretty good balance between time spent on matches and time spent on daily life. It also ended at 52 episodes without dragging on. The animation wasn't that great and the OST wasn't really memorable aside from the OPs/EDs and an insert song. I suppose it never got dubbed in the US? Because it did in my country, which is why it's not entirely forgotten here.
>>136003283
>>136005619
It had a huge focus on boxing, but it was really about the struggles of doing what you love and surviving in a competitive environment. Ippo initially struggled with leaving his mother as the sole proprietor of their fishing business. Aoki works in a ramen shop so he can afford to box with the dream of opening his own shop one day. Umezawa busts his ass to balance his dream of being a manga artist while supporting Ippo by replacing him at the fishing business.
It uses boxing as the vessel, but the real cargo is the pursuit of your passions.
>>136008883
I do, I actually loved it.Why did he have to get injured? ;_;
>>136009581But that was a great part.
>Seisuke brings Kyosuke flowers and they openly reconcile after all this time
>Miki visits him at the hospital every day despite having an important match coming up and they almost kiss
>he sneaks away to eat ramen outside the hospital, Miki catches him, eats the ramen in his place and leaves him to pay the bill
>he gets a proper permit just to go watch her match which she finally wins
All that fluff was heart-melting.
>>136009839The best part was him going for a throw in despite even though the match was already over, and the time the bald guy fucking taped his leg so that his muscles would stay in place.
>>136009231
It was in Cartoon Network and Animax, pretty sure America got it too. I watched it in spanish so who knows thought.
>>136009839
>>136010014
Only thing I remember is a match with a few seconds left, ball about to leave the field and he runs and weirdly headbutts it towards the goal from really far away. It was kinda cool.
No. I'm just going to mention one of the many that are on this thread.
Diamond no Ace
Haikyuu is OK and quite similar to SD, the parallels are uncanny but it does has its fujoshit moments, on a homoerotic level SD never reached.
Dialogue is subpar, the characters will frequently be unable to express a thought, they literally fail to find the words yet they seem to understand each other.
It kinda suffers from all those training arcs, where you'll see some kind of character development. SD used to do this on the court.
>>136008883
The bullshit over the top kicks and ball routes were cringe worthy though.
>>136012497
SD had homoerotic shit? Care to elaborate? I dont recall anything weird implied or explicit.
>>136012868
He's just retarded, SD has none of that nonsense.
>>136007362
Artbooks are the one thing I don't know where to get. I search on AB and that's limited, then I search on bakabt and that's also limited.
Is there some sekret club or something I just don't know about for artbooks?
>>136013214
Yeah I thought so.
Going to reread the manga because of this thread.
>>136013429
Go read REAL instead.
>>136013214
There's pretty much none in SD, I never implied there it was frequent... except for character design and some bonding moments between Miyagi and Sakuragi.
>>136004810
>MC progresses at an alarming rate
That is literally Sawamura
>>136013733
Or both.
>>136013300
There are a fuckton of artbooks on Exhentai
>>136013733
>>136016996
Fuck, I shouldnt have read Real. Cant stop now.
>>136006371
>it's not something a couple of friends could do together
what is backyard football? did you even have a childhood?
Yeah it would be difficult to have an organized game going full contact with full pads, but that's difficult to do even in America.
you can still play the game without pads, all you need is a football to play with friends
>we will never get continuation of the series where Sakuragi and Rukawa are playing college ball in the states
Post which NBA player you think has the closest personality and playing style to Sakuragi
>>136003380
>Kuroko no Basket was a big letdown. Couldn't get over episode 5. I don't get the hype from normies at all.
Don't know how that's possible. I fell asleep 4 episodes into Haikyuu but Kuroko no Basuke hyped me up like no tomorrow.
>>136019525
his character is based off of Dennis Rodman
>>136019589
Rodman has a different personality than Sakuragi. Rodman is just crazy, but I can understand the playstyle
>>136019548
I really like Haikyuu but I agree that the anime is kind of boring. The manga is a lot better because you can read at your own pace. Aside from pacing it's pretty much adapted exactly though.
>>136003012
Giant Killing is GOAT sports manga/anime, it's very underrated
>>136007286
fuck i wish i knew of this. Would have got one for sure
>>136003012
Haven't read slam dunk yet but I thought yowamusi pedal was pretty great
>>136003094
Its not bad but I didn't like it as much as I thought I would given the hype
>>136019781
It's great, there needs to be more series with pro sports instead of high school sports. Giant Killing, One Outs and AnJ all stand out for that, though I like the latter two more.
>>136005097
>The least realistic thing is the fact that that basketball probably isn't or wasn't that big when it was done but who knows.
I came from Slam Dunk era and basketball really wasn't that big in elevenland back then, I think Inoue even mentioned this a couple of times. But aside from that it is pretty realistic. Hanamichi's progess was quick, but it wasn't anything superhuman either, by the end he became a pretty good PF but all around was still lacking a lot as a basketball player.
>>136020577
I really love One Outs and Giant Killing, is AnJ Ashita no Joe?
Is the first season worth going through or is jumping into Ashita no Joe 2 right away better?
>>136003012
Never. Slam Dunk is not only sports GOAT but GAAMOAT as well.
>>136005582
Zettai ni! Dare mo~
>>136005923
I wish there was some kind of indication of haruko returning sakuragi's feelings.....
>>136003012
Love the ending and how things pan out for Sakuragi.
I kinda wished Takehiko continued the series into Winter cup, especially since he seemed to have set up Hiroshi as an antagonistic counterpart to Sakuragi. Also would have loved seeing Sakuragi's new haircut in action
>>136022937
Their case is really weird though. They might as well be dating with how much they interact with each other. While we never saw her reciprocating them, it should be said that she actually gave up on her crush towards Rukawa (hence the haircut) so I guess that's 1 point for Sakuragi?
Make way for the king of besuboru anime and manga has arrived.
>>136019548
It's totally the other way around for me. Maybe there was just too much i disliked about Kuroko.
>>136023502
I bet Hanamichi went full baske-autism like Rukawa and stopped noticing any advance from Haruko.
I mean the guy even confessed to basketball in front of Haruko.
