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Seriously, what the fuck did I just watch?
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Shouwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu, I'd assume.
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>>135967964
>what the fuck did I just watch

Great meme. Really creative.
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>>135967964
A show that showed you a new aspect of japanese tradition and art.

Can your faggot ass not appreciate that?
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>>135968261
Never said it was bad, just surprising how different it is than the usual shit that's put out nowadays.
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>>135968346
and thats a good thing anon.
It feels like I'm watching a movie and I like that.
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Did anyone else really appreciate and laugh at the burglar skit like I did?
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Japanese Russell howard.
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>>135967964
Good anime.

I know, it's a rarity.
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>>135967964
So is this Joshiraku, without the joshi?
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It was garbage
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Joshiraku is better.
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can anyone explain to me what's so good about this show without using buzz words like "comfy" and "different"?
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>>135968608
Joshiraku is entirely different you moefag.
This is a god damn drama
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That old man has the same VA as that teacher from the bones anime last season right?
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>>135968680
Nothing, it's just your seasonal 'mature anime for mature people such as myself' show that idiots will latch on to.
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>>135968496
I loved it. I really hope there are more scenes like it in the rest of the show.
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>>135968680
It feels like an anime for adults and it reminds me of a film.

it is a drama
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>>135968680
I really like the characters, they interact relativity realistically.
There's a lot of small details like the main character's hair growing out after the initial haircut, and cutting it after the apology scene.
Also it looks really nice.
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>>135968748
That's the nice part about the show. It's mature nature. It's also very realistic

It's a break from all the typical types of shows.
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>>135967964
His voice makes me want to punch the voice actor
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>DEEN
>Making three(or four?) shows this season
>40 minute episodes

I can't wait for the obligatory QUALITY.
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his face is funnier than his jokes
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>>135969026
>Thinking you can judge jap jokes when you are not from there
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>>135967964
Where do I find good rakugo? Is any of it subbed?

>>135968496
I really loved that part. All the facial expressions were spot on.

>>135968680
I like the protagonist a lot. He makes me laugh, and his shitty circumstances really make me root for him. His unbridled enthusiasm for his craft is infectious.
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>>135969064
autistic anon but you can judge everything and anything
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only delinquents are tall in japan?
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Is this the poor man joshiraku?
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>>135969090
>Where do I find good rakugo? Is any of it subbed?
few in English, but the comedic value is really different when it is spoken in English.

Like Enka, it's something most westerners aren't very fond with.
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>>135969684
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhkYNpwTKIQ
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>>135969478
Joshiraku is a damn comedy show you idiot.
This is a drama
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is this about japanese traditional standup comedy?
but they are sitting
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guys! guys! I'm a paid shill but I need to detoxify right now
what shit other than the ones below should I add for my shitpost catalog for this show?
>its garbage because nothing happened
>pfft, grown men crying? chasing his dream? he should grow up! bwahaha!
>it isn't moe, this'll sell bad, not even Fractale levels
>where are the manly explosions?
>I tip my fedora to this show, I like it! *Nod* towards some general direction
>talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk
>I can't self insert into any of the characters. this is crap
>no loli, no fanservice. shit show
>what's comedic about that? this isn't funny...
>this is a good show to watch so I can fall asleep
>wheres the pantsu?
>if I wanted to watch a mature show for mature people like myself, I'll watch South Pork
>0/10, didn't even need to watch a second of it
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>>135969001
Rakugo was supposed to air last season but they couldn't get a slot. This one should be fine, I think.
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>>135969831
make an image
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Are they not entertained?
Was this not why they were there?!
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>>135967964
I'm gonna guess... not an anime full of ordinary dialogue so the viewers can fully enjoy on how cute the girls are?
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>>135968496
It would have been really boring in real life. In the show, we were treated to rapid camera jumps and jazz music.

I loved it.
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>>135969983
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I could have loved this show. too bad I have ADHD
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Is every episode going to be 40+ minutes long?
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>>135970092
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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If it doesn't have cute girls doing kumeta things, I'm not gonna watch it.
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>>135970054
>disrespecting rakugo
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>>135970166
It has one cute girl so far, two more are supposed to show up in the flash back.
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>>135969759
To be fair Rakugo fans started the shit flinging.
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>>135967964


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prqWCzQfMg0
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>>135968712
>That old man has the same VA as that teacher from the bones anime last season right?
>Doesn't recognize teh Ishida
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>>135969001
This episode was an OVA. Also Deen can do good. Sometimes.
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>>135969831
>raku-go fuck yourself
>real interesting story du-ZZZZZZZZ
>'i like 2 pick up the sensu and pretend to senshoot myself' - u
>u pay 2 watch shitaro? lmao
>RAKUGOWNED LOSER
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Next episode is going to be homo.
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>>135968582
Not even close.
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what a cliffhanger ending
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>>135969983
That was painful to watch. And what happened next was even worse.
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>>135970416
full homo?
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>>135967964
One of only two anime this season that doesn't suck ass.
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>>135970342
Does that mean we are getting normal length episodes from here? I was really liking the extended length and wondering how Deen could pull it off every week.
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>>135970490
>Does that mean we are getting normal length episodes from here?
Yes.
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>Main cast are Seki Tomokazu, Ishida Akira, Kobayashi Yuu, Yamadera Kouichi
>ED sung by Megumi Hayashibara

This show isn't fucking around
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I literally had absolutely no idea what this was going to be about when I found it by randomly browsing through the new simulcasts on Crunchyroll (It didn't even come with a description of the show, and that caught my interest), so from the very start I was in for a ride.

I gotta say, this was some different stuff than the usual batch. I actually found myself enjoying it a lot. I can't believe this is done by DEEN. I shall follow this.

I legitimately liked MC and found the burglar story funny. I am ready to accept my fate /a/
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>>135970913
>I can't believe this is done by DEEN

To be fair the director is the same one who did Sankarea and the newer Rozen Maiden so he was able to squeeze the good out of DEEN

Also why does it seem all the females are straight?
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>>135973212
>Also why does it seem all the females are straight?
wat
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Is Miyuki another name for the Miyokichi chick and is Yakumo's backstory going to involve NTR? I noticed from the PVs and the episode 2 preview that everyone has like 4 different names
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>>135973668
What would them having extra names have to do with NTR?
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>>135974720
In PV2 the chick is fonding Yakumo and then being dragged into a hug by Sukeroku so I was wondering who'd win. I can't find a full summary anywhere.
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Joshiraku made me think rakugo was boring shit, but his Dekigokoro was really good.
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I don't know why anyone would watch this show. Rakugo is rubbish.
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When you were a kid, you likely had an uncle who visited you every so often. He would act erratic and seem completely odd to you, but he was entertaining and fun to be with. He'd talk about nonsense and you'd eagerly listen. When his stories ended, you wanted more.

That's what this show felt like.
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>>135967964
>mfw deshi snores in the middle of a performance
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>>135967964
One of those shows you need to be Japanese to understand.
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>>135976516
Not really, no.
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Why did he fall asleep? A couple of posters here wrote that it was because he was deeply moved by his master's rakugo but I don't understand how that works.
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>>135976591
Staying up late listening to rakugo again?
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>>135976591
He didn't even sleep probably, had to stay up practicing after he found out he was opening the show
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>>135976668
>>135976621
Oh ok, so it was simply being tired. I should watch the proper OVA.
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>>135976707
Is it even subbed?
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>>135976731
No.
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>>135976731
Apparently not, fuck.
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>>135976766
Exactly, why would it be? The manga isn't even translated
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Your face when he eventually dies?

You know it's going to happen.
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>>135968680
The character dynamics and sense of history between them seem well-established. The period setting is well utilized for thematic purposes, some good stuff here about the process of creating art. Etc etc.

And it still has qts
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>>135976951
Why must you torture me so, anon.
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>>135967964
The AOTS.
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>>135968680
It's cosy and unique.
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>>135977136
Yotarou is the qtest, especially his :> face.
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>>135968680
To be honest I just started watching this because it had Kobayashi and Ishida, but it turned out be a really good drama.

Will probably be my AOTW, since there is nothing better this season.
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I don't speak google translate, does the Japanese wiki say that Yotaro and Konatsu fuck and have a kid?
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Will he succeed in the second promise?

Restoring rakugo seems like a very tall order.
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>>135978357
Given the state of modern rakugo, I would say he fails.
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Rakugo is so unfunny and cringe worthy.

This is pretty good though.
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>>135979421
Don't bring reality into this shit anon
I want to keep hope alive while watching
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>>135967964
>Yuu Kobayashi in a Rakugo anime
Picked the fuck up.
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>>135970458
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>>135980595
Holy shit, multiple levels of gay.
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I want to have carnal relations with Konatsu!
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This anime was cozy as fuck.
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>>135968712
>old man
Old man jia nay.
Katsura da
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>>135980595
Dropped
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>>135970054
Why would it be boring? You would be busy imagining the story in your head. Unless you can't keep up (or the performer is the boring one).
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>>135981641
No. It has a chance of being as enjoyable as Joshiraku but it most definitely is nothing like it.
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>lovely characters
>interesting drama waiting to be expanded upon
>qt as fuck tomboy
>meaningful interaction
>comfy, unique setting
>gorgeous OST
>neat premise, is a story about storytelling
I can't really think of anything this show outright does wrong. I hope the rest of the season can match this quality without being an OVA
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>>135981407
Can't two heterosexual men engage in ear cleaning without being judged?
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>>135981959
No. It's gay.
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>>135968680
It's mature anime for mature anime watchers such as myself AKA garbage.
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>>135968712
I watched like 3 different shows with him in it, and I suspect there's still more.
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>>135982002
Are you perhaps unsure or ashamed about your sexual orientation? Or just a child?
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>>135982081
Ha, so hating fags now means I'm also a fag? Or should I be ashamed of being straight? Nice try fag enabler, now go enable fags somewhere else.
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>>135982246
I just asked a question. Some people are ashamed of their homosexuality and it comes out as hatred against those who are comfortable expressing their desires. Vast majority of homophobic people are emotionally immature, though, hence the latter option.
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>>135982549
Go back to Tumblr
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>>135982640
I've never been there, going back isn't an option. I've also heard terrible things about the community there so I'd rather never visit.
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>>135982549
Oh okay, sorry, thought you were a fag enabler. Answering your question, nah, I'm not unsure nor ashamed.
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>>135982731
I have no need to enable or disable them, for me gay people are like any other type of people. I'm merely interested in individuals motives for saying and doing stuff. Especially when they do it anonymously.
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>>135980595
Meh, dropped, kinda like the ep. 1, shame

>>135982549
I hate faggot, because they're such an annoying piece of shit, all drama and playing victim
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>>135980595
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>>135968582
It's Danshiraku
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>>135982894
>all drama and playing victim
That's a decent point actually. Some of them tend to be a little bit too bitchy about "discrimination". It's the same with black people. They don't have it so bad anymore so they should just be happy about that and do something actually constructive to further their cause.
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>>135969235
Every male character designed by fujoshi are that tall.
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>>135967964
A decent show that's going to get circle jerked to hell and back by a very vocal fanbase who wants to pretend they're mature and sophisticated for watching a show with an older cast and a more matte color palette. Get ready for lots of claims that it has the most realistic, mature and interesting characters ever, despite the characters being nothing special outside of great voice acting.

They're the same idiots that spammed Ping Pong as AOTY because they think "all anime is garbage, but this one is truly different and engaging." They're idiots.
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>>135976311
So you're saying this show is going to molest me.
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>>135983626
triggered by one episode of anime
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Why is Shouwa era so based?
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>>135983763
Idiot who knows he's been read like a book.
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>>135983807
Uses phrases like "read like a book" after reading people on the internet to make the skill seem intelligent and useful.
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>>135983859
>to make the skill seem intelligent and useful.
Being able to read people is always useful. You'd know this if you weren't autistic.
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>>135977136
But will she Shouwa her rakugos?
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>47 minutes

What the fuck, I don't understand
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>>135978392
>>135980466
She's cute. MC ends up with her, right?
This is a show about a guy trying to pick up an honest living inspired by Rakugo, not dumb NTR romance garbage, right?? If I wanted trashy romance I'd subject my self to Seo Kouji.
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The robber story was genuinely hilarious, Everything else was okay.

Looking forward to more.
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>>135983878
Whoa, you can spot autistic people on /a/? You must be one of those Google analysts.
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>>135983965
This was also done on the first episode of UBW.
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>>135984012
>Whoa, you can spot autistic people on /a/?
Yes, basic pattern recognition in speech is pretty amazing.
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>>135983969
>not dumb NTR romance garbage, right??
I'm not a mangafag since it isn't translated but the girl that Yakumo is all over in the PVs ends up marrying Sukeroku
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>>135983626
You're probably right anon, my AOTY 2014 was ping pong, 2015 was shirobako, and 2016 might end up being this, I watched all three with a big smile on my face the whole time, and I can't wait for more.
Although I think the "all anime is shit now" mindset is full of shit, I just really like character heavy shows.
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>>135983991

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjvFt-Qk_iU
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>>135967964
AOTS motherfucker
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>>135970416
God fucking damn it. I was enjoying this a lot.
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>>135984087
Oh... the threads are going to be fun, that's for sure...
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So
who's gonna end up being the fag- fujobait?
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>>135982989
The blacks have been full citizens for 50 years. Look at where they are now. It's easier to play the victim and have things handed to you than it is to work hard and get them yourself.
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remove fag enablers
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>>135982549
Nigga I'd like to think noone here is homophobic but seeing fags doing their fag things on our screen is something we DON'T LIKE. It's simple, we don't like it, we won't watch it.
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>>135970012
Man, how did I forget about this?
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>>135967964
Kyouji, in prison after taking the blow for his yakuza senior, watches Yakumo, the “last grand master of Shouwa rakugo”, perform the “Shinigami” (Death) story. He’s drawn in by the old man’s dynamism. The master’s hands move like they’re possessed by the characters he’s playing; his eyes contort with such comic exaggeration that Kyouji can’t help but laugh. The ex-yakuza decides: once he gets out of prison, he’s going to learn rakugo; and from Yakumo himself.

That’s the premise Shouwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu (lit. The Lover’s Suicide of Mid-Showa Rakugo) begins with. Currently, only the first OAD has been released, with a second coming in August, after which the TV anime series is set to begin. Shinichi Omata (alias Mamoru Hatakeyama) holds the directorial position for both works. It’ll be the third work of which he’s taken a directorship, after Rozen Maiden — Zurückspulen and Sankarea. From the first OAD alone, it looks promising.
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>>135985682
Rakugo Shinjuu noticeably departs, both in aesthetic and narrative detail, from the material one might expect from a manga adaptation. Over the course of its forty-three minute running time, the narrative complexifies in dramatic bounds. Yakumo accepts Kyouji as his apprentice, granting him the nickname Youtarou (“dim-witted man”), only for the latter to find out that the master has no intention of passing on his craft; he plans instead on taking the art with him to the grave in a “lover’s suicide”. Konatsu, a young lady in Yakumo’s care after the death of her father—another rakugo performer—and who wants desperately to practice the male-dominated art, accuses Yakumo of “killing” her father. Youtarou and Konatsu form a teacher-student relationship as the latter reluctantly agrees to teach the apprentice what she learned from her father. And one of Youtarou’s old yakuza pals (the same one he took the blow for) comes around to try and rope him back into crime. Some number of developments later, the episode reaches its climax with Youtarou’s first successful performance: “Dekigokoro” (passing fancy).

It presents all of this with a kind of subdued, almost unnoticeable deliberateness. Shots rarely take on dramatic angles, the majority of them are medium shots with characters blocked into the center of the shot. Jarring contrasts, abstractions and juxtapositions are exclusively reserved for Yakumo’s performances, and even they’re rather tame. The OAD’s depiction of the rakugo stage is clean and symmetrical, free of any heavy shadows or major points of visual attention save for the actor.

But this unpretentiousness serves a purpose. It separates the world of the performance—characterized in Yakumo’s performances by stark contrasts, in the comic material by simple archetypes, and in other performances like these by simple lighting—from the messier real world, which is marked with heavy, dramatic shadows and high degrees of visual clutter.
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>>135985704
Equally impressively, the camerawork accentuates both Youtarou’s and Yakumo’s performative strengths. When Youtarou tries to practice Yakumo’s “Shinigami” routine, Konatsu walks in and tells him, “The shinigami persona doesn’t fit you. That kind of dark Death personality only works because the old man does it.” (A statement which, satisfyingly, is also informed by Konatsu’s intense dislike of Yakumo.) Accordingly, Yakumo’s performance constantly draws attention to his frail frame, with his thin hands and aged, sexy eyes. The camera acts differently for Youtarou during his (twelve minute long!) “Dekigokoro” routine: his silly, expressive face is constantly in view, and as he warms up to his routine, the camera begins to take on more dynamic angles.

Thematically, perhaps it’s too early to speak. There are ideas, in their nascent stages, here and there. The influence of one’s life on their art—Youtarou picks the “Dekigokoro” story because it involves an ineffective thief, reminding him of his own time as a petty gangster. There’s the idea of the “right role”—Konatsu’s comment about Youtarou’s “Shinigami”; Konatsu’s inability to break into rakugo because she’s a woman. It just remains to be seen whether these seeds, and a couple of unmentioned others, sprout into anything worthwhile.

I think Rakugo Shinjuu is worth giving a try, when it airs in the fall. Or whenever this OAD gets subtitled.

https://catchercatch.wordpress.com/2015/03/14/rakugo_oad1/
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>>135984473
2016 is 3lion.

The source material is just that better. But this is still high quality entertainment.
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>>135985682
>>135985704
>>135985726

Sounds like some of the scenes that were cut/delayed were quite important. Were we told that Yotaro was taking the fall for his boss? It definitely hasn't brought up that shinjuu idea yet.

>aged, sexy eyes
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>>135973466
>>Also why does it seem all the females are straight?
>wat

Wait, are the female characters also as gay as the guys?
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>>135986002
>are the female characters also as gay as the guys?
What? Konatsu's mom was a slut and Konatsu has Yotaro's baby later as far as I can tell from the material I've found on the nip web
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>>135970054
>It would have been really boring in real life. In the show, we were treated to rapid camera jumps and jazz music.

Not really, it'd probably have been even funnier irl. You're underestimating rakugo performers.
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>>135970054
Stand-up comedians make a living with telling with less creative shit.
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>>135983626
Read the threads faggot.
That's really not how it is
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>You cannot understand this anime unless you are japanese
There are people who believe this bullshit
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>>135988023
They're probably talking about that sweets show.
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I thought ex Yakuza are suppsoed to cut ther thumbs or something?
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>>135980466
>tfw wanted to hear her telling the story but they skipped it
Are women legit terrible at rakugo or are they saving for a full performance later in the series?
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>>135988140
They cut of one finger and start usually with the most useless one, which isn't the thumb.
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>>135987901
Idk man I think he is spot on, The only reason I enjoyed ping pong was because it felt different and kinda original, but I still couldn't visit /a/ due to its absolute circle jerk because it made me feel bad about watching it. this show is following the same trend .
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She makes my heart go doki doki.
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>>135988221
They cut the small finger if they fucked up. Leaving the Yakuza means to cut the thumb.

Though I guess he was just some super low tier guy there.
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>>135988196
>Are women legit terrible at rakugo
Who said that?
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>>135988448
Maybe he was just a street thug, not even Yakuza.
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>>135968496
I chuckled a few times.
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>>135968496
It got better and better.
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>>135988513
I guess the Josei audience wouldn't like a MC without 10 fingers.
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>>135988477
Why else would they skip glorious Kobayashi Yuu voice
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>>135988448
He didn't even leave properly. He was arrested.
After all his boss told him he can't just change his profession that easily.
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Does this phrase "Ajaraka mokuren kyuraisu tegeretsuno pa" actually have any meanings?
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>>135967964
joshiraku done right.
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>>135968167
What the fuck did I just read?
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>>135987901
That's exactly how it fucking is.
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>>135968680
the characters are interesting and enjoyable
it even has a cute girl so tastless fags like you can enjoy it
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>>135968496
Yeah, I was enchanted.
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>>135983626
This is the most autistic thing I've read in a long time.
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>>135992028
>This is the most accurate post I've read in a long time
>But I don't want to admit to being a hipster faggot, so I'll pretend the other guy is wrong.
Go ahead. Explain why this show is phenomenal without citing anything related to it being different than all other anime which you perceive to be shit.
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>>135968712
>>135982035
>not instantly recognizing Akira Ishida.
There's a reason why he of all VA's, was chosen for a Rakugo anime.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG3EqJizfkQ
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>>135992105
The WRITING maybe? After watching so many anime with the absolute lowest level of writing(which doesn't mean I don't enjoy them) something like Rakugo which very clearly is trying to tell a meaningful story deeply tied into its characters and plot to deliver an enjoyable watching experience is like a gift from god.
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A good show
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>>135992206
Is this hyperbole or are you actually a 15 year old from MAL?
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>>135992105
Have you been here for 4 hours waiting for (you)s?
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>>135982894
>Meh, dropped, kinda like the ep. 1, shame
Are you 12? Never seen a pandering magazine spread before? Shit like Fate gets gay magazine spreads in the fujo magazines.
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>>135992389

>>135985393
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>>135992498
As I said, it's a fucking magazine spread. It's non canon promo material. Or is fate now gay too?
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>>135983626
>\a\ - stop enjoying things
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>Rakugo anime
That may be too japanese for my pleb self.
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>>135992591
Or Noragami?
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>>135992591
It's in the manga too, check raws.
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>>135992622
Try it out, I don't know a lick of Japanese and I loved it. Googled what rakugo was and I was set, it's not at all hard to understand or inaccessible.
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>>135992591
>>135992700
That's not even gay. This, on the other hand, is gay as fuck.
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>it's not gay
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This looks like a very straight manga
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This shit was fucking horribly boring.
Anyone that says otherwise is either just trying to fit in, hipster, pretend to be smart, or just plain retarded.
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>>135992870
Go back to watching battle haremshits
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>>135992870
Boring is an expression of indifference, not criticism. What did you find boring?
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>No one's praising the OP song
b-but it's so good ;_;
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>>135993533
yeah it's awesome, really excited to see how the visuals for it'll look
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>>135992304
>>>/v/
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>>135992823
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>>135992105
there are almost certainly people watching it for not being as blatantly cliche ridden as other shows, but you can hardly apply that to everyone watching, and it's in no way a criticism of the show itself
I'm not sure what the point of all your shit even is, for every show ever there are people watching it for the image, and people watching it for itself

if you want to tell me the show is bad, then go ahead - but I'm gonna want tangible evidence to go along with whatever arguments you come up with
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>>135994306
The pacing is too fast. It's trying to fit too much into too little time. This leads to overdone and overdramatic acting for emotional scenes, which given that the character drama is the cornerstone of the show, is a problem.

The other big thing the show has going for it is rakugo and Japanese cultural references, and I'm willing to bet that no one in this thread even speaks a word of the language.

Yes, saying "I like it because I think it's different" is stupid, because it's a childish mindset that shows your too eager to distinguish yourself over literally nothing. The show isn't bad by any stretch, but it's not great.
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>>135994517
>the pacing is too fast
I don't think the pacing was too fast at all. At which points did you feel like it was hard for you to follow?
>overdone and overdramatic acting
Examples of which are..? Your comment surprises me; the acting (both character and voice) seems to be the one thing everyone agrees is excellent. I can run around through the episode and screenshot instances of great character acting if you need. I was really impressed by the attention to body language and facial movements throughout.
>rakugo and Japanese cultural references
I only speak the tiniest bit of Japanese and I sure as hell can't understand what's going on without slowly looking everything up. That being said, nothing ever felt lost on me, and the fact that I and many others are praising the show points to it being enjoyable despite your perceived "untranslatability" (far from it, if there are things only native speakers would understand I don't think our missing them detracts from the experience in any substantial way).
>"I like it because it's different" is stupid
Not that its "differences" are why I like it, but in defense of others: why is difference not a likable quality? Should we not praise that which is creative, unique or outstanding? I'll give an example for myself - last year's Yuri Kuma Arashi was riddled with flaws but despite them I recognize the effort that was there, the honest attempt at trying something the average TV show wouldn't dare to do. I really appreciated it for that, and although I can't look past its problems I think that alone is good enough grounds for watching and justifying your enjoyment.
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>>135995092
>I don't think the pacing was too fast at all
It is very much too fast. They tried to fit way too much into 40 minutes, and by doing that the audience finds less room to sympathize with the characters.

>At which points did you feel like it was hard for you to follow?
Yeah we're done here. I'm not going to waste my time if that's the kind of pathetic strawman you're going to resort to. Enjoy your hipster anime.
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>>135995092
If you want to be taken seriously, stop typing like you just got here from reddit or some other shit forum.
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>>135995226
See you next week!
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>>135995226
Magnificent backdown sempai.
I could feel the confidence in your arguments from over here.
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>>135995226
>less room to sympathize with the characters
Who, exactly? Yotaro and the girl are I think the ones most needing sympathy and I felt they were quite well done. Loads of people have been commenting on feeling second hand pain for Yotaro's failure of an opening act and falling asleep, and while that's recognizably bad I don't think it's hard to keep rooting for him. The girl too, is framed as a strong character but she has striking moments of weakness. The one where she accuses the master of killing her father was pretty powerful.
>strawman
Isn't that literally the definition of fast pacing though? Information being given out faster than one can take in?
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>>135995516
>backdown
>Idiot uses an actual strawman
>backdown
Backdown against what? Him making things up?

>>135995552
>Who, exactly?
Literally all of them. They went through introductions, backstories, training, trials and tribulations, failure and redemption in a single episode. If you don't think that's too fast then you don't know what pacing is.

>Isn't that literally the definition of fast pacing though?
No, you idiot.
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>>135995679
Buddy I'm not trying to strawman you, if I made a mistake then correct me without throwing a fit. Let's go with "I don't know what pacing is" then. What's your definition of pacing then?
I think it's fine to have a lot happen in an episode so long as it's all appropriately taken in by the viewer. Hell I'd argue the pacing was great, the fact that so much happened lends a lot to the show. I've seen a lot of people use flowery words like "captivated" as a testament to how absorbed they were in what was going on.
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>>135995904
>if I made a mistake then correct me without throwing a fit.
If you can't define one of the most basic facets of storytelling (define, not articulate on or critique, where we stand you don't even know what the word means) then why would I take anything you have to say on the topic of discussing the merits of a story seriously?
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>>135968496
Am I the only one who didn't laughed at the appropriate time?
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>>135996075
Still not giving your "correct" definition of pacing.
Why would anyone take you seriously if you're scared to do so?
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>>135996283
He's not the same guy, remember, first guy left >>135995226
>Yeah we're done here. I'm not going to waste my time
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>>135996075
Why are you hiding your definition then? Not to accuse you of avoiding the actual argument but I legitimately want you to address this. I'm 100% open to you being right and me being wrong, but you're doing an awful job of convincing me. I don't think my definition of what constitutes fast pacing is wrong, but if you can give me a better one I'll gladly argue with that in mind.

>>135996346
I don't particularly care who I'm talking too, hell if more people wanna jump in with their own experiences that'd be great.
Curious as to how everyone here found the pacing of the show, however ambiguous the term apparently is.
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>>135981200
Katsura ja nai, Zura da!
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>>135996283
>your "correct" definition
>Implying the definition of pacing is subjective and you didn't just use a word completely incorrectly
You can make pathetic grabs at reverse psychology all you want, it's not going to stop you from being wrong.

>>135996494
>your definition then?
See above. It's not "my" definition. It's "the" definition. Nothing's stopping you from educating yourself on what constitutes pacing in a story and then coming back to try to discuss the show. Remember, "I liked the show so the pacing is good" doesn't define the pacing either.

>I don't think my definition of what constitutes fast pacing is wrong
That's cool, but that won't change what the concept of pacing in story telling actually is. Trying googling some combination of the words "pacing" and "storytelling" and then do a bit of reading before you post again.
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>>135996682
>That's cool, but that won't change what the concept of pacing in story telling actually is.
>you don't think you're wrong, but that doesn't change the fact that you're wrong
Alright, you guys, this argument has reached the stopping point. Just don't respond to each other, please.
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>>135981823
>It has a chance of being as enjoyable as Joshiraku

Picked up.
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>>135996682
Not letting you run away from this.
From what I understand, and from literally every definition I've found on google, "pacing" refers to the rhythm and tempo at which a story is set. Good pacing keeps the viewer engaged, while bad pacing either causes boredom or moves faster than the viewer can digest.

Is that acceptable? The original argument was that the pacing was too quick. The closest thing to an explanation I've heard was:
>They went through introductions, backstories, training, trials and tribulations, failure and redemption in a single episode.
From any definition that's not an indication of bad pacing. I think more often than not people weren't bored by the show, and I don't think impact was lost at the density of events per unit of time either. Keep in mind it's an hour long special, too. It's certainly more packed than your average shounen episode but I don't think that's in any way a bad thing.
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>>135997225
>still responding to le pacing maymay
Come on.
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I loved it. We haven't had anything like it for a long time. Most recent I can think of is Saraiya Goyou.
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>>135999693
Totally forgot about that show. Really cool aesthetic and I remember it being pretty good, I gotta rewatch soon.
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>>135987561
> unironically liking stand-up
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>>135967964
Think about an
"Stand Up Comedy: The drama".
(If anything like this exist)

And remake it into
"Sit Down Comedy (Rakugo) : the drama-anime".

That's what you watched.
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>>136001548
>sit down comedy
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>>135982002
I guess my ENT doctor is gay then.
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>>136002358
>>135994050
>>135992823
>>135984087

So is this gay or is this not gay? I am getting mixed signals here.
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>>136002442
They fuck in the episode, what do you think?
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>>136002442
Does this look gay to you, son?
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>>136002442
It's going to have a close friendship in the flashbacks, but stay short of being actually homo since one of them has a kid.
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>>136002358
The chara designs are on point.
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>>136002442
I downloaded the manga and I'm getting mixed signals too. The guys have girlfriends but some scenes are pretty gay.
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>>136004562
What do you expect, all the author's other manga are literally BL
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