>>135961601 Not really. I watched first ~5 episodes of both when 11 was coming out and there were many differences. Artstyle, music, mood, pace of events being covered, almost like two different shows. Both good but for different reasons. Meanwhile Kai is just DBZ with a lot (too much) of stuff cut out, worse OST, strange colors and some lazy sharpening filter slapped on.
>>135961938 I was like you once. I, too, watched Demon Lord Dante OVA. It was from like 2003 or something. Turns out its an old ass Go Nagai manga, believe it or not. I revisited it back when I go really into oldschool 70's stuff.
It ain't that great, honestly.Young 12 year old me thought it was the tits though, probably because at one point or another, there were literal tits, albeit probably covered in gore knowing Kooky Uncle Go
>>135962592 /u/fags have such shit taste. It was a very shitty SOL and their "romance" (i.e. them sucking each other's faces all of the time) wasn't interesting at all either. The ONLY redeeming part of that shitfest what the older sister.
>>135962725 >Will people just stop socializing Largely, yes. That's where the trend is going at least. People are becoming more and more isolated, with the internet carrying an every growing percentage of all human interaction.
Except action movie stars are more roided out today than in any other era. Compare Bruce Willis to Chris Hemsworth or Chris Pratt. Back then it was only Schwarzenegger and Stallone who were that big, Kurt Russel was normal as most of his peers from those days.
>>135962738 >shitty SOL and their romance wasn't interesting It was extremely well animated and it gave the industry exactly what it needed. There are too many cockteases and implied sexual contacts between female leads and ST was anything but.
>>135963600 Just because the first kiss happened so early doesn't mean there isn't any buildup, character development or romance left throughout the series, it doesn't just end right there. And there was certainly nothing boring about Sakura Trick.
>>135960790 The switch from cel animation into digital and largely the digitial colouring process.
It's much easier to use the fill tool on wide spaced, angular areas with less detail. While of course you can do digital highly detailed designs, the modern design trends are based around making reproduction as easy as possible.
Top digital, bottom cel. Notice how so much detail from Rei's hair is gone and the highlighting from the digital version? This is because of design based around quick fill-tool colouring.
>>135965857 Depends on the show really. I'll always like the look of cel animation but there's nothing inherently wrong with digital besides a handful of early 2000s shows that had no fucking clue what they were doing with it.
>>135966072 >early 2000s shows that had no fucking clue what they were doing with it It's so obvious in a bunch of those shows how hard the guys/gals in charge of color coordination were thrown for a loop. They were handed the ability to produce brilliant colors without any transfer loss or having to account for camera quirks, and yet produced shows that were either dead and washed-out looking or almost neon with some of the most horrid colors you'd ever seen televised.
>>135966480 >>135966563 Like CGI, digital coloring is a tool that can be used well by a talented team or as a crutch by scrubs. The early 2000s really suffered as everyone scrambled to make the switch, but there wasn't enough training on the new software that many studios had to learn as they went and, due to the nature of television, most didn't have the budget or the time to correct their mistakes along the way. We've come a long way in just 16 years, and anime is cheaper and yeasier to make than ever before and the market is oversaturated with too many titles. Most are shit, but that ratio hasn't changed. It's just even cheaper to shit something out and hope merchandising picks up the slack. >>135966510 Yeah. Japan actually developed the 720p protocol back in the 70s, but there just wasn't the infrastructure to handle the bandwidth of that signal at the time. It's great seeing all the old cel-painted anime get remastered from its film, but so many digitally-mastered shows will be forever stuck in 480p or suffer terrible upscale jobs like FLCL did.
>>135966480 >>135966790 >be painter >mix colors no problem >try photoshop >click on a color >not quite right >click on another color >not quite right >finally get the right color >paint >want to add a bit of orange to the shadow >close photoshop
>>135966790 If it's really that cheap now it makes me wonder about the feasibility of running a small skilled studio off of nothing but viewer funds and publishes their show online and on BD exclusively. I think the anime industry could benefit greatly by having a few studios that aren't at the behest of publishers, distributors, and corporate sponsors.
>>135967020 Are you talking about the redone scenes in the bluray versions? If you are then well yeah they were done like 20 years later, if not then it was probably different scenes with different animation directors or they were outsourced or something.
>>135966790 Speaking of upscales, someone finally ripped the Godannar blurays
It's still a hell of a lot better than the old DVD rips, but yeesh you can tell it wasn't meant to be 1080p.
>>135966929 If done right, it could herald a new era of animator-driven OVAs like VHS did in the late 80s. The licensing company AnimEigo has done a couple successful Kickstarters to release BubbleGum Crisis and Otaku no Video on BD here in the US. When they got to OnV, they had a lot of help with their goodies from Kenichi Sonoda and the Gainax staff digging up old goodies to give away to the backers. So the success of crowd-funding isn't going unnoticed. And shit, that's to say nothing of what Trigger did with LWA 2. I really hope this new funding scheme finds a niche and we can bypass the corporate overlords.
>>135966996 Unlike the actual animation. To be completely honest, I don't think adapting the story as an animated series did it any justice. There was way too much talking and dialogue for it to work well as a cartoon. Hell, they didn't even put any effort into proper mouth movements. I wouldn't be surprised if half the show's footage is mouth flaps.
>>135967180 I thought dialogue by far was LOGH's biggest strength. The voice actors were all top class and while it is true that visually not much was super important; it definitely benefited in terms of sound.
>>135967096 >>135967188 Kickstarter is great and all but I think that shows should probably have their own crowdfunding platform that's better tailored to the industry. Such a site could have visible "stages" that shows could be in (pilot funded, first episode in production, etc), giving backers and onlookers a tangible feel for how projects are moving along and generating hype along the way. I don't think Kickstarter or Indiegogo do a very good job of conveying this sort of information.
Does anyone think the tend of feminization will ever reverse? For those who don't know what I mean, the male over time in op's image has lost his square jawline, his skin and hair has lightened. his chin is less broad, his neck is smaller and this eyes have gotten larger which are all commonly seen as biologically and culturally masculine traits that have reversed.
I wonder if this is a just an aesthetic shift that will change in time or something more deep rooted. Has our less violent and less labor intensive world shifted our view of masculine images as less desirable or even barbaric?
I hope its former and not the latter, but this trend has been going for more than 2 decades now.
>>135967333 Yeah, totally agree with that. Services like Kickstarter are too limiting to have complete artistic freedom. There's lots of things to think about when you go into the direction of a crowdfunded anime industry. For example, I think that if crowdfunding should be done for serious anime then they should be going for a "minimalist" campaign, meaning that they don't really go into production detail while the anime is still running. Then crowdfunding could be more difficult again etc.
>>135967409 I do think that as a whole, world culture is developing a distaste of overwhelming masculinity. In fact, overly masculine caricatures are often interpreted as homosexual now. For modern hetero men (and portrayals of such men), less is more. It's very interesting.
>>135967409 Japs just have a perverse standard of beauty. The bishonen archetype has always been an ideal to them. The 80s designs, especially in sci-fi OVAs like Bubblegum Crisis there, are heavily inspired by the more square-jawed masculinity of the West than their own backyard. It doesn't help that the vast majority of anime protagonists are young teenagers, so they have that going to keep them from being manly.
>>135967409 Probably not. Japan's entire culture is unforgiving. Everyone, from children to adults, are all pressured to cope up with extremely high expectations all by themselves. To make it worse, their society frowns upon intimate relationships and everyone is expected to suck up whatever problems they have.
Their art and music are the only solace they have that prevents them from killing themselves. Which is where there's alot of shows that showcases feminine attributes And last thing they want to find in anime is another show that features cold-blooded masculinity.
>>135960140 Nostagia. Facial proportions were really shitty in a lot of 90s anime. That image, although a generalisation, shows it, with the eye literally coming off the face and the face itself occupying less of the head.
>>135967409 I think there will be a revival of the "manly" artstyle some time in the future, if only as a parody or tribute to older anime but it will be a short lived phase. There are already a lot of Hokuto no Ken manga parodies of various series made by doujin circles.
>>135967538 >For example, I think that if crowdfunding should be done for serious anime then they should be going for a "minimalist" campaign, meaning that they don't really go into production detail while the anime is still running. Then crowdfunding could be more difficult again etc. I don't quite get what you're saying here. Mind elaborating?
>>135965170 >Falling for obvious bait I havent seen the show from >>135960790 , but even like that i can smell the digital post-procesing from miles away. Jesus christ /a/, i thought summer was over in the north hemisphere
>>135967745 I mean that looking into how a specific anime is made while it's running could destroy a lot of the "magic" of it because you're gonna be thinking a lot about the production instead of the actual show while watching it. You aren't as "immersed" in the story. Maybe that's just me though
>>135967664 I wouldn't call US culture very forgiving either. We don't even have the support of our fellow countrymen like the Japanese do, it's all-out capitalist survial-of-the-fittest struggle. Worse if you're a man, because men are supposed to just deal with it, never ask for support, and find solace in working that much harder.
Japan might have a reputation for overworking people but honestly the US is just as bad if not worse. It's just harder to see when you've got several times as many people who share little in common with each other.
>>135967914 No, I definitely see the logic in that. I think that an anime crowdfunding platform should offer minimal description as an option, given proof to those running the platform that the production is legitimate.
>>135968050 Japan's suicide rate is #17 while USA is at #30 Let that sink in for a moment
Japan used to be the highest actually until their government took act. This was soon replaced by an ever increasing amount of people who die alone only to be discovered by neighbors who notice the foul smell coming from their houses...that, or more hikis
>>135968378 It is possible that you found some super androgynous guy, but in general Twinks share the typical male characteristics (broad shoulders, bigger hands and feet, adam's apple, etc.). The difference is that they are young looking with less body hair and have softer faces, but they're still obviously male.
>>135968293 I don't doubt that there are other factors that make things worse in Japan (societal pressures, etc). I was mostly speaking of work culture. Our solution to everything is working harder, and I think that's problematic because it does nothing for a large majority except induce burnout and for some, even shorten life.
>>135968303 I work 40-50 hours a week actually, depending on how badly the boss wants a new release out.
Japanese, like the rest of the East Asian people, got sucked up in the over feminisation of their men. coupled with the western domination in beauty and fashion industries, they focus heavily on hair removal, skin bleaching and looking feminine.
I feel sorry for them.
Moreover I dislike just how girly anime characters look. They barely have any noses, nipples or redeeming characteristics. Always perfectly symmetrical and girly.
The guy being a little prettier, a little girlier heading into the 21st century was more just that publishers figured out you could make more money if you make the designs appeal to women more, which is why you see less manly man bodybuilders like HnK or early Jojo and more slender but toned designs like Rurouni Kenshin or later Jojo.
>people trying to draw social/political movements out of cartoons drawn fow a tiny minority in a small country in an industry driven by pure capitilism and nothing else
Protip: men have been getting cuter over time because the anime demographic shifted to otaku, and they want them that way. It also helps with the periphery demographic of girls because more of them prefer the bishonen style to barashit.
>>135960020 More artstyels developed to be mass produced on current techonlogy. As the limitations of cel animation dictated certain common practices so will the advance of digital tools dictate new habits.
I hope you've all developed Stockholm Syndrome for one tone or two tone gradient color because it's going to make me shoot up a school.
>>135969388 Nothing's ever been washed out like the 2000-2005 thing of 'let's greyfilter everything, yeah that looks like film grain right?' is probably the worst anime's ever looked. Glad that's dead. Now the whole "let's have less inbetween frames on CGI cuts because that looks like cel animation right?" thing is what really, really needs to fucking die. Die.
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