How strong is Boros by DBZ standards? Is he comparable to Namek saga Frieza? I think it's safe to say he is at the very least Saiyan Saga Vegeta level.
If we talk stats then at least SSJ2 in meteoric burst. But he would lose in energy blast power
Reminder that Freeza survived the destruction of Namek with little to no ki and his body cut in half.
Trunks was able to cut through a much more stronger version of Frieza in peak condition with his Ki infused sword,
Goku parried said sword with ease, so early Andoird saga Goku is above planet level in terms of striking strength.
At his best he's on Saiyan Saga Vegeta level(not counting Oozaru).
To make it more clear, between 9000! Goku and Vegeta.
Fuck off retard. Read this >>135933688
Or read the manga when Nappa punches Tenshinhan's arm off, yes a punch.
Tenshinhan is stronger than Raditz who could easily take 2 moon busters and survive Gohan's headbutt(Gohan's powerlevel was pretty much twice Goku's). Yet Nappa punches his arm off even when Ten Shin han tried to defend.
That's just goku using his muscles, no ki.
Reminder that Freeza was kicking shit into space before it was cool.
And? Nappa mutilated someone much more durable than the moon, with a punch.
Trunks casually turns Frieza into mincemeat when a heavily mutilated Frieza(and a weaker version) can survive the explosion of a planet.
>being this mad
That energy ball is coming from a full powered Vegeta that's hundreds of times stronger than the time he was going to blow the earth.
Use some logic
That doesn't make any sense when OPMfags are the ones trying to measure themselves to Dragon Ball and not the other way around.
DBfags could care less about a small series like OPM.
Cool opinion man, i'm sure the most popular anime ever is a laughingstock.
Still doesn't change the fact that OPMfags are the ones making threads trying to fit their characters into Dragon Ball powerlevels and not the other way around.
So yeah, you're the only laughingstock here.
>More popular than Dragon Ball
Bait, a bad one at that.
>inb4 b-but muh japan!
One Piece is not even more popular than Naruto and Oda himself said so.
What Oda or anyone else SAYS is irrelevant. All that matters is the sales numbers. Oda could say One Piece never sold a single volume and it would change literally nothing about the actual fact of the matter. You're literally denying a provable statistic.
You mean americlaps that think Dragon Ball is edgy with rock music and that Goku is japanese superman?
Those are not people and neither are them the target Dragon Ball aims for.
You mean manga sales which amount majority to Japan.
Meanwhile Dragon Ball gets new games every year for the past 15 years, gets it's movies released in theaters worlwide, is broadcasted through all the world and shits everyone else on merchandising.
Naruto also gets a new game every year, gets it's movies in theaters all over the world, gets broadcasted all over the world and kills it with merchandising
>What the AUTHOR of ONE PIECE says doesn't matter!
I know OPfags are retarded but whatever, i'm not replying to you anymore by the way.
One Piece is more popular than Dragon Ball all around the world
I think you're underestimating how huge OP is now
even normies like it (they mainly only watch the show though, as good normies)
>One Piece is more popular than Dragon Ball all around the world
>Even when Oda says One Piece can't beat Naruto
>Well we know who the shitposters are at least.
I don't know if you're retarded or just pretending.
I'm pretty sure the ones calling Dragon Ball a laughing stock for no reason whatsoever while trying to fit their characters into Dragon Ball itself are the shitposters.
Fuck off, selective blindness.
And everything Naruto sells>>One Piece.
Just because One Piece sells more manga doesn't mean it's more popular when we know Japanese are the main source of those sales.
You're pretending to be stupid and making me repeat what I already said, manga sales amount to Japan mainly. Classic shitposter.
>O: It's wonderful having Naruto as an opponent. The luckiest thing was you didn't let me get complete victory. Actually, I didn't have complete victory in weekly serialization, besides and most importantly, Naruto is more popular than One Piece in foreign countries. Though a part of me was not reconciled to that truth, at the same time, I'm grateful. Because the existence of such a piece of work, is one and only in the world.
>K: Same goes for me. Instead of saying One Piece is my target, I'd rather say I always want to beat it. Seriously, I always think that.
Fuck off retard, stop making me repeat the same thing. You lost, get over it.
>Just because One Piece sells more manga doesn't mean it's more popular
I think it is
I'm not disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing
I have absolutely no clue what your point is
>Oda is god, he's never wrong. Best Mangaka to ever live
mmh when did I say that?
Fishman Island a shit
and OP isn't my favorite manga, just saying it's the most popular in the world
it's just a fact... you guys are retards
>I think it is
>I'm not disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing
>I have absolutely no clue what your point is
The point of that anon is the manga sales numbers are Japan only and that Naruto beats One Piece in worldwide sales that include all merchandise.
>The point of that anon is the manga sales numbers are Japan only and that Naruto beats One Piece in worldwide sales that include all merchandise.
mmh not saying it's impossible but I'd like a source on that
Face it Boros is Nappa level.
comparing the power of two characters from the same fucking series is not comparable to bullshit like comparing two completely unrelated series to each other in terms of powerlevels especially if both are completely broken and just do what they fucking want with their powerlevels
He'd kick the shit out of todays Gohan that's for sure.
he never really went berserk
he was always calm and calculating
in DB universe, that's already being a genius
are you guys serious or are you just randomly hating on Cell? He was supposed to be the perfect being after all, him being not at least "clever" would be absurd. Also this being not canon is bullshit, he figured out he had to travel back in time to do this shit there even before he was perfect. There are probably many other instances where he showed he wasn't dumb but I won't bother scrolling through pages for something thats pretty obvious
You are aware Piccolo violently destroyed the Moon like two days or whatever the fuck after killing Raditz? That would do far more than wiping out the Earth's surface like actually destroying the planet.
Because he couldn't breath in space also he was out cold so that doesn't factor in his Ki.
>he never really went berserk
Someone needs to reread the manga.
>in DB universe, that's already being a genius
The same universe where someone was able to build a time machine?
It's phiysically impossible to destroy the entire solar system unless that's the widest Kamehameha ever and it's going in all possible directions. Or maybe he meant destroying the sun and causing a chain reaction.
the earth is way bigger than the moon /a/non
>The same universe where someone was able to build a time machine?
how bulma did display any sign of intelligence apart from randomingly bringing random inventions in the story?
flat out dumb
if it comes to speed maybe but no way in hell considering force
the most accurate guess would be somewhere between Frieza and SSJ Goku when they fought on Namek. Clearly a planet buster. I could imagine him tearing android 19 and 20s shit because they didn't seem all to durable. So yes all in probably early SSJ level. I can understand people arguing early Frieza saga level Vegeta or something like that since he could easily bust planets too but I can't imagine him surviving a meteoric burst assault, I just can't
>the earth is way bigger than the moon /a/non
Oh, really? I hadn't noticed.
It's how Piccolo destroyed the moon, you know, by vaporizing it in seconds. Not all attacks are equal, and Piccolo's was overkill. Boros is weaker than Piccolo during the first arc. He's much faster than the latter, though.
He's disaster level Dragon + just like Garou. God is clearly reserved for something special other than that they'd be obviously god since busting the surface of the planet still means human eradication. Also he aimed that shit on Saitama, not the fucking planet otherwise the results would've been clear. If you think Nappa would survive even one second of meteoric burst after shitting out his own guts after being hit by Kaioken then I have nothing to say to you anymore.
>He's disaster level Dragon +
See so not a planet buster.
>If you think Nappa would survive even one second of meteoric burst
Meh and Piccolo couldn't do shit to Nappa.
Nappa level deal with it.
If you can't get your shit together I see it as my duty to call you dumb. If you don't aim your blast directly at the planet you won't destroy it as in pic related. I'll look forward in seeing you say Vegeta didn't release all his energy in this blast after charging it up for one whole episode, go on please. Face it powerlevels are inconsistent shit in Dragonball. Boros is SSJ level, get over it.
addition to >>135939646
>without too much effort
you pulled that out of your ass didn't you? Or are you meaning to quote that one filler planet. Even if it would count we don't even know how big that shit rock was it could have been as big or even smaller as the moon. When assaulting Goku with his Galick Gun he charged up good for that, that has nothing to do with "no effort"
good job defending your point like a ten year old, won't reply to your baiting anymore
>Vegeta didn't release all his energy in this blast after charging it up for one whole episode,
>referring to Toei's padded out shit instead of the manga.
Retard pls go.
Boros says he will wipe the surface of the planet clean. We see the result of his beam behind Saitama (it's pathetic). The final flash was aimed specifically to not hit the planet and we blatantly see it fly off into space.
>suddenly changes my words to "no effort"
Nice try you desperate faggot. Boros put all his energy into that attack, Vegeta did not put all his energy into that Galick Gun. In comparison, it wasn't much effort.
Then there is of course Piccolo destroying the moon in one attack (see >>135939403), a Piccolo who couldn't even scratch Nappa, who in turn was massively weaker than Vegeta.
Again, Nappa tier..
Not really if he does it one at a time.
Though in all seriousness, Frieza also had enough power to destroy the entire solar system with that method.
Hell, even pre-namek vegeta would be enough
You what is the most retarded part of trying to compare power levels of OPM and DB? It is because none of them never showed a clear level of their powers. They punch the ground and make a huge hole, then they multiply their powers by several million times, and they still can only make the same huge hole on earth.
Oh, and when I say Vegeta's Galick Gun I do mean the one in Saiyan arc where Goku counters it with his own Kamehameha, not the one in the Cell saga which is probably billions of times stronger.
Actually not sure if it's a Galick Gun or not, but it's an energy attack anyway.
In my headcanon, Gero planned for Cell to absorb him. Having Cell use inferior human cells like Tien and Yamcha's was part of his plan of having Cell absorb him so his superior brain cells would be made part of Cell's perfect form and in essence becoming Cell himself.
>a series where an old man can destroy the moon but still considered really fucking low level and is useless majority of the series
Powerlevels in dragonball are fucking bullshit
This always bugged me. After Freeza, all fights look the same. You're TOLD everyone is a gorillion times stronger, but nothing changes. Same energy waves, same fast punching, same holes in the ground.
Is that for or aagainst,?
I can't tell anymore.
But for how much DBZ fans pretend to have science into their logic, they sure as heck ignore it.
Back in Roshi's heyday, he was pulling out supersonic blasts with a bit of effort.
To which is something Beerus can't freaking do at his 30% effort. While Frieza can't burn through a core in seconds but can disintegrate Planet Vegeta in his first form.
Meanwhile, Cell blowing up is a world killing threat, but all it doesn't to King Kai's area is blow it up.
>"t-that was the anime! He said something about the anime! I better call him a retard"
I really hope you won't reproduce in future. The results in the manga were exactly the same and if you say Vegeta didn't put everything in this you are literally retarded and need special care for yourself
>We see the result of his beam behind Saitama (it's pathetic)
Yes let's ignore Saitama almost completely blew it away/negated it with his fist
>The final flash was aimed specifically to not hit the planet
You can put that however you want but my point still stands that you have to aim at the fucking planet to destroy it. Like Vegeta Boros aimed at his opponent so of course planet busting was not an option
>>suddenly changes my words to "no effort"
>Nice try you desperate faggot.
seriously no idea what you are trying to say so I just guess you are having a stroke.
>Then there is of course Piccolo destroying the moon in one attack
now I clearly know you have no idea what you talking about and probably don't even know the material. Even fucking Roshi blew up the moon you dingus, taking this when comparing strenght is simply retarded since the moon in Dragonball seems to be not much more worth than a fucking mountain. Toryjama just didn't fucking care about "the small details" like how far something was off or how big it was, that's exactly why power levels in Dragonball are pure shit
>shit reading comprehension
I was referring to this
>Vegeta didn't release all his energy in this blast after charging it up for one whole episode,
>charging it up for one whole episode,
I even pointed it out in my last post. Keep up retard.
>Yes let's ignore Saitama almost completely blew it away/negated it with his fist
>negates his entire attack with a casual Nappa tier blow
Doesn't help your argument.
>You can put that however you want but my point still stands that you have to aim at the fucking planet to destroy it. Like Vegeta Boros aimed at his opponent so of course planet busting was not an option
Boros' attack would have hit the ship and then the planet, it wasn't fired completely horizontal to the surface.
>seriously no idea what you are trying to say so I just guess you are having a stroke.
>now I clearly know you have no idea what you talking about and probably don't even know the material. Even fucking Roshi blew up the moon you dingus, taking this when comparing strenght is simply retarded since the moon in Dragonball seems to be not much more worth than a fucking mountain. Toryjama just didn't fucking care about "the small details" like how far something was off or how big it was, that's exactly why power levels in Dragonball are pure shit
>I don't like it so it doesn't count
Good to see you admitting even Roshi is at least on par with Boros, if not stronger.
Exactly this. This whole argument is fucking dumb. No way to compare power levels entirely through visuals. Even lines like "blow away the planet's surface" mean nothing when we never see something like that happen in either series.
>if you say Vegeta didn't put everything in this you are literally retarded and need special care for yourself
Retard, read the manga. Here's Vegeta blasting Cell after he put "everything" into that final flash.
Nope, not even close.
some parts of that try to seriously argue and others are just flat out baits like Roshi > Boros. I don't really know what to say to this. You have won ok? Your post literally blew my mind to bits I don't even know what's real anymore.
>"he can still fire off energy blasts therefore he didn't gave his all!"
Vegeta has to drop dead for you to recognize him putting "everything" into one attack right? You do realise Boros only died because he got hit by Saitamas punch through his own beam, don't you?
This is the only logical post in this thread and yet sadly it's so underrated. From the animations we see when Boros fights Saitama you could think he might even be ablte to stomp foes like SSJ3 Goku or Buu but then you realise it isn't possible since the Dragonball series just randomly throws around phrases like "destroying a galaxy" even though the only shit they show are busting some holes into the ground. Sure they might be able to do it but the shit they show in the series is vastly underwhelming
>He's literally invincible.
Nah, Goku is no where near the strongest character ever, yet he rekts Saitama easy. Try reading other forms of fiction, Saitama is pretty weak in the grand scheme of things.
Retard pls go.
This is why Dragon Ball was good and Dragon Ball Z and Super are fucking garbage.
>yet he rekts Saitama easy
gag character that is literally written to be "as strong as he needs to be, no limits"? Sure, Goku beats the shit out of him easily. Makes me wonder how retards such as you are able to operate a computer
>muh one punch
>muh speed force
>muh super saiyans
These threads are shit
My only solace is knowing that DBfags are cursed to be continuously btfo by their own content. I can't wait to see how puffy nipples-sama makes Goku look like a toddler in terms of powerlevel
When I said he has no limits I meant it. As he literally broke his limiter there are no "feats" he wouldn't be able to accomplish. No one is sad here, it is just you that is desperately trying to defend "muh fond childhood memories".
>I can't wait to see how puffy nipples-sama makes Goku look like a toddler in terms of powerlevel
by showing some high level energy beams going off the planet and busting some house sized craters into the ground and Goku then saying "wow he surely is stronger than I am there is no doubt about it". God I love powerlevels in DBS, they are even worse than DBZ
Not this guy but feats has nothing to do with the concept of a gag character. Which in that case is "way stronger than anyone he'll ever meet".
If he ended up facing a Aurora tier character then it would just be adapted so that he can still win, and the latter shits on the DBverse without even trying.
Also, DBZ's powerlevels are the most inconsistent shit ever.
These threads are retarded. And so is anyone seriously talking about "who can beat Saitama".
>but feats has nothing to do with the concept of a gag character.
Well he wasn't even planet buster, so lower than sayian saga Vegeta. He seemed stronger with his blasts and speed than Raditz, so I guess he must have been in this 1,2k - 18k power level gap. As other anons said - Nappa seems pretty simmilar.
I'm the first one to argue that Saitama is Nappa level so far, but that isn't an issue. He could have thrown a glove, farted, or exhaled in the opposite direction to get back to Earth. Would probably have taken longer though.
The issue with the planet exploding has never been so much the force of the explosion as the fact that they need air to survive. Hence why Frieza could survive it.
>The issue with the planet exploding has never been so much the force of the explosion as the fact that they need air to survive. Hence why Frieza could survive it.
Really? Do you have any manga Page to check it?
>he doesn't get OPM
I'm sure most downies can understand what it means for a character to be unbeatable.
Not flat-out stated but heavily implied. Either way states that Frieza can survive the blast, which means everyone else can too once they surpass Frieza (so Goku and Vegeta after Frieza arc basically).
Mass-scattering a planet is much much different from wiping the surface clean as evidenced by many mass extinction events leaving relatively piddly craters on the planet. Also the planet is a sphere, not a circle, and as such volume should be considered, the volume of the crust is much much smaller than the rest.
Our planet's surface has been wrecked many many times, but our planet has never been destroyed (not even the massive impact that created the moon managed).
Murata knows how to properly demonstrate power of the character. Here's shockwave from Boros acceleration. Shit's crazy
First off, "a hundred or something" is a tonne more. Also, NOBODY ever means "complete destruction of the volume of the planet designated as crust or surface", they just mean wipe the surface clean making the planet barren.
Again, to mass scatter a planet it takes much much more energy.
Probably around Vegeta at his introduction level when he first came to Earth.
He has to go all out to destroy the planet's surface in one hit.
Otherwise it takes him less than 10 days to destroy all of humanity (according to Geruganshup)
>Just because One Piece sells more manga doesn't mean it's more popular when we know Japanese are the main source of those sales.
Where's your Naruto theme park, fanboy?
Oh right. You don't have one.
>they just mean wipe the surface clean making the planet barren.
Earth's crust: 0.374% of Earth's mass => 2.233528*10^24 kg
Earth's ocean: 0.099% of Earth's mass => 5.91228*10^23 kg
The amount of energy to melt 1kg of rock is roughly 900 kJ.
Total Energy: 2.0101752*10^30 J
Total energy to evaporate 1 kg of water: 2260kJ/kg*1 + 1 * 4.1855kJ/kg * 85 = 2.6157675*10^6 J
Total energy = 1.54651498749*10^30 J
Total energy: 1.54651498749*10^30 J + 2.0101752*10^30 J = 3.55669018749*10^30
Total binding energy of the earth = 2.25*10^32 J
Total times: 63.2610624314133097724
Prove me wrong.