Was anyone else insulted by this "twist"?
I get that Johan is described as a bishonen, but come on now. It's not like he can alter his voice or change his bone structure at will.
Those chapters where
he crossdresses and fakes being his sister. We are to believe that just because he put on a little make up and a wig, people are fooled into believing he's a very attractive woman.
I did, because during those episodes when he was crossdressing I saved a few pics thinking it was Anna
Listen to me, now. Humans... can become anything.
Here's a pic of him crossdressing
>that one time where Nina almost succeeded in pushing a little kid to suicide for no apparent reason
Why was she such a cunt?
That's because its a callback or callforward to when he was a child, and some things that are revealed later in that respect.
He's used to wearing a dress and pretending to be someone else.
Also if you remember the records Tenma found on him later, where he couldn't find his own identity on the tapes.
Johan has a thing where he has a loss of a sense of identity, but it helps him be whoever people want to be at times.
Urasawa reminds me of JJ Abrams with stuff like LOST and Fringe. It starts out very procedural but when it starts to make money instead of logically ending it he just keeps escalating the plot.
What happened to the "perfect suicide"?That was legitimately one of the more though provoking abstracts I've seen in a manga. Also Dr.Cuckma never fucked Nina while thinking of Johan.
How did people react to the ending? Was it seen as too contrived, too conventional? It ends with a classic "hate only begets more hate" parable with characters forgiving Johan, casually ignoring the fact he's responsible for the death of countless people, just massacred an entire town, and states himself he does not seek atonement.
I honestly don't remember the ending. I remember something about a gun shot, people in a village getting all paranoid and killing each other? But I don't remember being angry or dissapointed by it.
In short: I forgot lol sorry
>Also Dr.Cuckma never fucked Nina while thinking of Johan
He has literally no reason to do so. The man's loyal to his fiancee Eve, he always wants to get back to her instead of a girl who can pass as his daughter.
What happened to the "perfect suicide"? He made everyone in that town kill each-other,he showed it to Tenma since Tenma was the one who saved his life and wanted to prove Tenma wrong by making Tenma kill him.The latter didn't comply with Johan's wish and couldn't do it,he got shot 2-3 times in the head(and somehow survived later) by some random person.It's implied he changed his views because he lost his battle with Tenma
That wasn't the perfect suicide, the perfect suicide was when you kill everyone that knows your identity or is connected to you in any way.
Johan's goal for like 3/4ths of the series was stated as "wanting to win life" by being the last man alive when the planet is dead.
Johan was in a coma so they couldn't exactly imprison him on that state
And furthermore considering the methods Johan used to perform atrocities it's hard to gather enough evidence against him
Besides in the last panel he leaves his hospital bed
I hear he turns his around his life and becomes a successful businessman according to "Another Monster" which I haven't read
He doesn't go back to Eva
He already rejected her when she came back to him
Anyways I don't get the whole Tenma/Nina shit...she's practically a child to him and there's never shown to be an attraction between them
He's more of a fatherly figure to her
That's only what other people state about him
And it probably was his original plan before he met Tenma
The perfect suicide was just a decoy
Think about when Johan at the beginning tells Anna to shoot him and she does it
Tenma instead doesn't do it this time around so he turns into a new leaf
c'mon the first tank she was savage. I'd never fuck wit a girl like that again.
didn't she have some banging with the fat balding evil guy for awhile, or did I imagine that?
She put him in danger and informed his anatagonists throughout. Saving him once is debatabely not enough, especially in Monster's world.
If it was like that than Johan and Tenma would've been best friends for the past 10 years.
>She put him in danger and informed his anatagonists throughout
She did it when they're still mad at each other because of the sudden break up, she wasn't at her right mind at that time and has been regretted so much later. On the other hand, he arguably is the one who ruined her whole life.
And she didn't just save him once. She tried her best to support him after that.
The whole manga despite being realistic it still exaggerates stuff to make shit more interesting like all fiction does
Tenma after feeling himself to blame for creating a Monster by saving Johan set out to kill him despite it being against everything he stands for
In the end he couldn't do it
Johan basically wanted to confirm if someone really loved him/cared about him as silly as it all sounds
And Tenma was his saviour by not killing him and saving his life a 2nd time
I think he made the right choice by sticking to his guns
She not only betrayed him she also tried to imprison him you can't forget that
Of course Eva changes a lot later on and becomes a good person(she had the best character development imo)
But at the end of the series Eva was still grieving about Martin's death and she was over Tenma a long while ago anyways
>He ruined her whole life
And she ruined his so they're even
And what are you talking about? I'm pretty sure Tenma came to her rescue once in the later part of the series...can't quite remember when...
At the end of the series they're shown to be friend now and Eva is still mourning Martin's death
To be fair, she tried to harm him before she got "better".
About Martin, she remembered him because he died protecting her, you can't just forget your savior like that. But I'm sure she would agree to get back to Tenma if he really came for her.
But Temna can do better now, after being cleared of all charges and catching a serial killed too, he can get a woman with equal to or greater specs than Eva had in the beginning.
Yeah I already mentioned that she tried to imprison him for example
I'm pretty sure it was implied that Eva fell for him
At least that's how I interpreted it
As for going back to Tenma I'm not sure...they seemed more distant at the end and they seemed content with how things were
He rejected her when she needed him the most. He was the only one who she could rely on at that point but refused to do the job out of resentment. She broke and set herself on the path of self-destruction. Well, he had his reason but it's still a dick move as a man.
Best girl isn't about pure specs, anon.
Tim can heal wounds and make love blossom again.
Anything the Tenma does after becoming a fugitive you can't really hold against him.
I mean if you wanna be technical he should be in prison alongside Johan when you consider the amount of small charges that piled up during his run from the law.
I believe he really wanted to be the last person on Earth, or get as close to it as possible.
In Kinderheim, he manipulates people's suspicions to make everyone kill each other.
In Ruhenheim, he does the same thing on a larger scale; only getting distracted along the way while testing Tenma's morals.
His final goal is to take his 'formula' of manipulating people's suspicions and apply it on the whole world, creating a bloodbath on a global level. It worked for him twice already, he wants to see how far he can take the bloodshed using his manipulative ability.
That's why the fact that Johan escapes at the end is so terrifying.
Uh, that was not his goal at all. After what Nina reveals to him (his memories are not actually his own), he genuinely decides to suicide. The Ruhenheim massacre is a way to "erase all the memories" for him. World domination is the last thing on his mind at that point
He could be dead.
He could have been taken out for a walk in a wheelchair by a nurse.
I don't know why people just assume he escaped, especially since being shot in the head more than once tends to result in brain damage.
>That's why the fact that Johan escapes at the end is so terrifying.
It's not really terrifying...it's revealed that he turns his life around and becomes a businessman in "Another Monster"
Testing Tenma was his true plan
He tested Nina prior to testing Tenma
If Nina hadn't shot him this all could have been avoided(not that you can blame her since she was a child and didn't know better)
That's why she chooses to forgive him the next time she confronts him as an adult(err...teenager)
But he's still intent on testing the man who saved his life
Yeah, I was talking about it too, even if she really fell for him, it's just a short period of time and it's more like gratitude than anything, she would eventually move on when Martin is dead now and Tenma is always there for her.
>Reaching the end
>Tenma visits Johan in the hospital
>Johan is just chilling there
>not encased in concrete or glued to the wall
>the same guy who can talk children into suicide in like 30 seconds
Legitimately the most frightening and unsettling part of the manga was that after all that shit he didn't have his tendons bolted.
Him escaping is like leaving the windows open while owning a pet bird.
>it's more like gratitude than anything
You're forgetting that Eva told him he to leave with her and that she was waiting for him at the train station
I'm not completely discounting the possibility of Eva getting with another man but it seemed like she had gotten over Tenma at the end and didn't want him anymore...that's what it seemed to me like at least
I have the feeling their love develop too fast. To me, it looked like she was moved by his sob story and her motherly instinct kicked in, then she confused it with love. She wanted them to leave because she somehow got the feeling he's going to be killed if they stay any longer rather than because she wanted to build a happy family with him.
It's interesting, yes. Reminds me to the ending of The Silence of the Lambs. I think its was very stupid that there wasn't a policeman in the room, or that he wasn't at least tied.
Remember how pissed she was when that gardener went to his family?
It was mutual
Eva opened up to him about her problems with Tenma and he opened up to her about his problems with his Mother/Ex-GF
I didn't think it moved that fast considering Martin and Eva(to a certain degree) were supporting characters
>Eva opened up to him about her problems with Tenma and he opened up to her about his problems with his Mother/Ex-GF
More like a rebound and they're trying to lick each other's woud.
>Martin and Eva(to a certain degree) were supporting characters
True to Martin, but wasn't Eve the main heroine?
Yeah no shit...but she finally found someone who she can relate to
It slowly turned into love when she started caring about him beyond as just a bodyguard
There's no such thing as heroes and heroines in Monster
Yeah of course she was one of the main characters but she fell to the wayside throughout a lot of the story and felt like a supportive character in the later parts of the series(that's why I said "to a degree")
A little contouring goes a long way.
I really liked Monster. I knew it was going to shit because I had the whole thing downloaded and there were few volumes left and didn't see how it was going to wrap it up well with just that.
The funny thing is that I almost don't remember anything about it by now. Maybe I could read it again.
Well Monster is pretty heavy on plot so you can't remember every minutiae of it
>Maybe I could read it again
Watch the anime this time around instead(I recommoned torrenting the Figmentos release on BakaBT)
You've already read the manga so might as well watch the Anime Version(which is very faithful to the manga overall besides a few scenes here and there that are re-ordered and has phenomenal voice acting and music)
It's all bullshit. Doctors are just people like anyone else. Hell, if you're not living in a 1st world country it's essentially simply a business.
If a plumber walks by a leaky faucet he's not required to fix it.
Johan was shot by another person he didn't attempt suicide
The average doctor isn't like the corrupted hospital at the beginning either
And there's no doubt that Nina looked after Johan while Tenma was gone and she informed him on his situation daily via Telephone
Runge could probably arrest any of the doctors if they tried maltreating him too
At the end?
How was Runge supposed to know when he wakes from his Coma?
If you're talking about 20th century boys I agree but not Monster
Oh yeah. That was pretty much bullshit, although it's established pretty early and done off-screen to make it less unbelievable.
He's not that smart the rest of the time though, just able to talk a few weak persons to their suicides and having a bunch of goons to do his work