Can somebody please explain to me the appeal of the Monogatari series? After watching the first episode of Bakemonogatari, I was expecting a great show, but it just ended up being boring as fuck. Like yeah, it obviously has its moments, but majority of the episodes of each season is just straight dialogue, no scenery change most of the time. I never had a problem with shows that are mostly dialogue, but when you spend an entirety of an episode in the same setting talking about relevant and irrelevant stuff, it just gets ridiculous after a while, especially when there's multiple seasons of this shit.
I don't know how I managed to bear all the way through Monogatari: Second Season, but it was so boring I couldn't even bother watching the last few episodes.
This is probably the worst show I've ever taken the time to watch. I see people say this is a masterpiece, but why? I'm not even trying to troll, I actually want to hear from the people who think this show is great to explain themselves.
You either like or you don't.
I'm not a big fan. Too much dialogue that feels pointless to me.
Don't think into it too much.
>>135472170
Bake was the only good season.
>>135472170
Sir...youand iare of a vocal minority that has no place here on /a/.
![[ANE] Bakemonogatari - Ep01 [BDRip 1080p x264 FLAC].mkv_snapshot_00.07_[2014.06.24_00.27.26].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/q32DySR.jpg "[ANE] Bakemonogatari - Ep01 [BDRip 1080p x264 FLAC].mkv_snapshot_00.07_[2014.06.24_00.27.26].jpg")
Too deep for you
>>135472170
>but majority of the episodes of each season is just straight dialogue
That's where the appeal is. Nisio created a cast of interesting characters and he has them all interact over pseudo intellectual nonsense.
It's for people who like watching badly animated characters talking and comparing each other with seemingly mundane and random things/events in Japanese culture.
it's for the retards who watches anime with their dick
Its pretentious garbage.
>>135472170
It's a great show, but it's not for everyone.
I dunno I just enjoy it.
Every episode grips me from beginning to end and I'm always engaged and never bored.
I honestly wish there was more dialogue adapted rather than pointless scenery change, they don't handle visual ques that well.
>>135472170
It's appeal is simple, it's an acquired taste. You either like it or you despise it. No need to listen to twats saying other shits, it's allure is on it being an acquired taste.
Mods, bait this obvious can probably be deleted without people complaining.
>>135472170
I watched like half of the first season and dropped it because I felt like it was tedious to watch and the plot is all over the place.
There is also like what? six other Monogatari series? I kind of said "Fuck that" because I didn't want to sit down and watch all the series...
>>135472286
Pretty much this
>>135472170
It's a legitimate masterpiece.
But not everyone will like it, like there are people that don't like every other masterpiece that exists in the world.
It's not like you just made a big discovery that people think different or anything, sherlock.
>>135472170
>boring
Not everyone here has ADHD.
Bakemonogatari is the lucky star of pretentious faggots.
>>135472170
>copypasta
>>135472528
This
>>135472316
>sir
Take that shit to redidt
>>135472494
>It's a legitimate masterpiece.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
no
>>135472528
Are you really comparing a mythological romantic drama with a gag comedy?
Damn nigga you dumb.
Evangelion is the only true deep anime, everything else like Monogatari just tries too hard and end up being garbage.
>>135472170
It's the epitome of pretentiousness that I've seen in anime but it's crafted in a very unique and appealing way. There are also times when it surprisingly hits close to home. I don't think it's a masterpiece by any means, but I think it's safe to say it's one of a kind in it's own medium.
>>135472724
Bake has as much romance and drama as Lucky Star has action and horror.
>>135472725
I'm only posting this because I never get a chance to
>>135472674
Yes it is.
It's one of the biggest, most selling, well received and highly acclaimed franchises to ever exist in anime.
Just because you're a hipster and a contrarian doesn't mean your opinion means anything.
It's pretentious softcorn porn without sex, if you don't like that kind of thing, you're gonna be disappointed.
It's a masterpiece, nuff said. You like it or you don't.
>>135472804
>Just because you're a hipster and a contrarian doesn't mean your opinion means anything.
I could say the same for you faggot
>>135472797
Lucky Star has an awful lot of horror in the threads.
It might literally be too deep for you.
People only bother watching it for the girls
>>135472849
>contrarian hipsters
>liking the best-selling show of the last few decades, with daily threads since 2009
What?
>>135472804
>Naruto is one of the biggest, most selling, well received and highly acclaimed franchises to ever exist in anime.
>>135472797
Bake literally has more romance than any anime ever.
Is it really that fun to talk about things you didn't actually watch?
>>135472804
Do you believe Avatar or Furious 7 are also masterpieces?
>>135472893
See
>>135472907
You're actually retarded. Besides, hipsters eat shit like Bake up like nips eat rice.
>ITT retards defend censored porn because they can't accept they watched 40+ episodes of garbage for girls
>>135472170
Good character development and fun dialogue.
You like it or you don't. People need to stop making threads about BAWWW I DON'T LIKE MONOGATARI AND I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO FEELS THIS WAY, because clearly you are not when there's a thread like this every day.
>>135472849
>hipster and a contrarian
Are you retarded?
Monogatari is one of THE most most popular things that exists now.
If you don't like it, you're just a retarded who can't accept good things because they're popular.
Ougi is best girl
>>135472494
Nigga, just kill yourself. Please.
>>135472170
You're not cut out for anime. Go outside and meet some people.
>>135472957
You're quite literally retarded my man, hipsters don't like bake.
Do you even know what a hipster is?
Are you aware that monogatari is the most popular anime ever?
>>135473020
>If you don't like it, you're just a retarded who can't accept good things because they're popular.
Yeah, that's why I dislike the series. Good projecting there dipshit.
>>135473071
Autists need to leave.
>>135472223
This.
I've pushed myself all the way through and managed to finish 2nd season last night. My buddy who had watched it around the same time is just raving about it. I just don't get it, some of the arcs are interesting but that whole Kaiki snake arc just blew. I'm bored 80% of the time watching this show. The plot seems unnecessarily confusing/hard to follow but I could just be retarded from all that SoL and Haremshit I watch.
>>135473103
Not even close. Most normalfags in Japan aren't even aware it exist. One Piece is more popular over there.
>>135472957
That only works on the other guy. I never said anything about it being good, I said that liking it doesn't make you a hipster. Hell, "stupid hipsters are just being contrarian" is a frequent argument by Narutards against people who don't like it.
>>135473180
Then please leave.
Holy shit kill yourself, Bake is fucking fantastic.
Can someone honestly explain how this show is pretentious? I don't see it. I agree that it attracts pretentious people and there are always those guys that say "well if you dont get it then your just dumb lol" but that can be said for a lot of anime. I think the series is good, but I won't say that it is an objective masterpiece since taste varies. Either you like it or you don't, but if you like it you'll probably like it more than the average anime.
Bake is the Evangelion of our time
I don't care much for the rest of monogatari but Bake is an actual masterpiece, if you didn't like the dialogue in it, it's just 2deep4u.
I like the conversations and the characters
Action is also nice when it shows up but it's mostly about the talking
>>135473283
It's not in the slightest.
It's about real problems and not much different in presentation from other anime.
Idiots just call it pretentious as their last straw because they can't admit they don't like it since literally everyone else likes it.
/a/ mindset.
Is it popular?
Is it actually good?
Call it shit and give no arguments.
>>135473223
>The plot seems unnecessarily confusing/hard to follow but I could just be retarded from all that SoL and Haremshit I watch.
If you think the plot is confusing, you probably are a little retarded.
>>135472170
I often wonder if I would enjoy this show still if I didn't like the animation so much.
My biggest problem with the Monogatari series is when they encounter an apparition and the explanation is something, like, "Because it can't exists is exactly the reason it exists. This thing that doesn't exits only exists because people choose to believe in it, when they shouldn't."
I don't know, maybe I just don't have a good enough head to keep up with the subtitles.
But the dialogues is the best part of it, I can watch it for days glued to the screen not to skip a second.
You might have some mental disorder or just can't appreciate good writing.
I'm on Second Season right now, my thoughts so far:
Bake was good, I enjoyed the romance
Nise was fun, I loved the imouto's
Neko was boring as fuck
Not sure what to think about the first three episodes of SS
>>135473469
I don't, that's why I don't like Bake
>>135473223
Just kill yourself, monogatari has the most straightforward plot ever.
>>135473492
As someone who recently watched it all, Second season gets a lot better from 4>, Kaiki is coming to save the day
>>135473447
It's not necessarily the episode arcs are confusing, I'm confused on how they're all supposed to fit together and where in the time line the events happen.
>>135473283
Monogatari series practically spells everything for you, there's no deepness, only REAL dumb people think Monogatari is pretentious.
>>135473492
>Neko was comfy as fuck
fixed
Monogatari is amazing, only contrarians dislike it.
>>135472170
still better than Hyouka in any way
Hyouka is better
>>135473575
>how they're all supposed to fit together and where in the time line the events happen
That's irrelevant, why do you even give a shit about this?
You might actually just have difficulties reading or understanding english.
Maybe kill yourself?
>no gatari OVA for new year
>>135472170
Because you expected something else and got dialogue/conversation, which is what it's about instead.
>>135472170
The dialogue, environments, and choice pieces of animation are top notch
It's got a really unusual vibe to it, and that pulls some people in and drives others away.
>>135473657
>>135473684
Well, fuck.
>>135472170
It's literally Reddit: the anime, which of course explains why newfag /a/ likes it so much.
>>135473208
>>135472223
>I'm too new to remember when it actually aired
The revisionism is astounding sometimes.
>>135473732
speak of the devil : D
>>135473756
That's why it's been so popular ever since 2009 right?
It's grand, if you didn't like it, well you didn't like it.
Now what? You can suck a dick or something, just watch something else if it's not for you.
Dialogue is the best part of the series, or the only part that makes it actually good really.
>>135473283
>if you like it you'll probably like it more than the average anime.
Is this bait?
>>135473693
>irrelevant
Isn't that the whole point? I suppose I'm focusing on an aspect of the show that shouldn't be focused on. I just assumed everything was supposed to culminate togather since they're telling this shit all out of order.
>kill yourself
If I do that who will love the /tod/s?
>>135472416
How is it pretentious?
It's a harem with good art. That's all there is to it.
>>135472978
But anyone with an inkling of what's going on watches it for Arararagi.
I don't like Bakemonogatari.
Aria is my favorite anime.
You all have shit taste compared to me.
Deal with it faggots.
>>135473657
>>135473684
I like both of these shows are largely for the same reason: they really engage me. I feel like I can't stop watching either for a second or I'll miss everything because something is always happening and the plot is always moving along (Nise is an exception to this). And I can never seem to guess what's coming from either of them.
They're both fascinating, and share great animation, great characters and great dialogue.
>>135473912
Monogatari is definitely trying to be more than that. Whether it's pretentious or not is a question of whether it succeeds in being more than a harem with good art, but it definitely tries to be more than that.
>>135473933
>not watching it for Ougi and Kaiki too
>>135473808
Yes it's objectively good as an entertainment product.
I think you've missed his point.
Tits and incest. Everything else is window dressing.
>>135473982
I like aria.
Bakemonogatari is my favorite anime.
You have shit tate compared to me.
Deal with it faggot.
>>135474053
If you watch for RRG, you are also watching for Ougi.
>>135473912
I can never call a multi-season show a harem when the best girl already wins the bowl in episode fucking four
>>135474046
It's not, you just don't like it and make ridiculous excuses for not liking it like a faggot.
>>135473223
>that whole Kaiki snake arc just blew
What the fuck senpai
>>135472170
fetish pandering and tits and ass
>>135474046
What is your evidence for that? Nisio just likes to write silly dialogue with word play.
>>135472170
The thing that made me watch it was the characters and the awesome art
Bakemono was boring, then I watched Nisemono and somehow started to really like the series.
But yeah, It's mainly just pleasant to look at.
>>135472170
If you cannot figure it out yourself, you are not worthy of it's greatness.
Can someone tell me why the writing is good? I've always heard Bake's strength lies within its writing but no one ever explains why or what makes it so good.
I just watched the first 4 or 5 episodes back when the first season was airing and I've also seen a couple of scenes of the new seasons but I don't get how is it so amazing.
One of the scenes I watched recently was one where Senjogahara was telling the cat girl about how similar she was from Araragi except for one thing, that she doesn't care what others think of her or something, she told her a story about a white cat and some random sugar cubes kept appearing in the table forming a pyramid. To me it seemed like Senjogahara was dragging way to much just to tell her that she's more pure than Araragi. This happened a lot at least in the episodes I watched. They drag the point they're trying to make or go on off a tangent then come back to their previous argument. It annoyed me to the point I dropped it.
>>135474053
shitposting aside; it's definitely for araragi
>>135474046
>>135474197
I'm someone who likes the series (though I didn't for a long time), but it definitely is. People who claim that it's not are the ones making ridiculous excuses to counter the people shitposting about it being DEEP.
>>135474194
>Senjyogahara being anywhere near best girl
i bet you prefer Rei over Asuka and your favorite icecream flavor is VANILLA
>>135474194
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SupportingHarem
>>135473283
It's not pretentious or 2deep, but there are a ton of people on /a/ too stupid to follow non-linear plot progression and character dialogue.
>>135472170
Good Narative
Interesting plot
Engaging dialogue
The biggest problem is that even it's supposed twists are well known today as its extremely popular. Knowing what kind of a man Kaiki is for example takes a huge deal out of his introduction, knowing Kanbaru's character completely destroys her Bakemonogatari arc as you know almost everything about it. Same with every single other character. A mystery anime with reliance on character interactions loses its edge more you know about it.
Same happened with Higurashi series. Knowing certain things and characters makes it a normal series as opposed to one of the best in the genre. It's like watching a basketball game while knowing the score. Sure what Golden State did is amazing but imagine you watched it while knowing they are going to get an amazing streak it would be a stale season.
Or imagine you're watching 1999–2000 UEFA Cup. It's brilliant if you know nothing about it yet standard if you were to know what would happen.
>>135473982
I like Bakemnogatari
Aria is my favorite anime too
You're a bully.
>>135472223
Thread should have ended here
>>135473422
>It's about real problems
Yes, like weightlessness and vampirism and nekomata!
Man, the samefagging in this thread is off the charts
The show isn't pretentious, but 90% of it's fans are.
Its literally babbys first "intellectual" anime.
Most of its diehard fans have seen at most 50 or so anime so it's to be expected.
>>135472498
I'm diagnosed ADHD as fuck and I love Monogatari because it actually keeps me interested
>>135474371
The strength is the very large and likable cast of characters and their interactions. Whoever told you a fucking Light Novel adaptation has good writing is kidding themselves. You also did not seem to like that aspect, it's no wonder you dropped it.
Erryone misusing the word pretentious all over the place
What pretense is it taking, niggers?
>>135474197
>>135474314
>All these implications
I like Monogatari. I think it's a good show. But pretending it's just a good harem is silly. The show is constantly talking about bizarre semantic issues, the meaning of life, the meaning of truth, etc. If you think it isn't trying to be deep you're just kidding yourself.
>>135473283
It's pretentious in the way it tries to explain the simplest of concepts in the most complex way using highly verbose language, puns, SHAFT style, and some panty shots here and there.
But that is one of its charms.
>>135474774
Fuck off nerd
>>135474314
It's not just "silly dialogue with word play" when Nisio constantly writes long monologues about remembering what made you you, how people deal with suffering, youth, fake vs. real, etc.
Now, because I know someone is going to shitpost is response with "If you think the themes in Monogatari are deep, you're retarded!!", I am not arguing their depth or merit. But that is objectively trying to be more than a silly titty harem show.
I stopped watching after Bake because I couldn't stand Senjougahara. Monkey and Snail were great though.
>>135474220
It was boring. We got 5 episodes of Kaiki telling us he was going to deceive snek, a little bit of dialogue with senjougahara, and then finally he confronts snek.
Op don't spit when you talk, virginity is contagious.
>>135474774
It's just an epic reddit maymay.
>>135474774
see
>>135474774
>The show is constantly talking about bizarre semantic issues, the meaning of life, the meaning of truth, etc. If you think it isn't trying to be deep you're just kidding yourself.
The story writes itself.
>>135474898
what is the difference in "trying to be deep" and "being deep" what would the differences even look like?
>>135474046
I can't see monogatari as pretentious because no matter how 2deep it gets it's always balanced out by a scene of araragi molesting his sisters or looking at a grade schooler's panties. real pretentious shows are like satoshi kon crap that present themselves as super mature and artsy.
>>135474897
>People calling out my favorite show for a objective flaw
>Better dismiss them as redditors to make them seem wrong.
>>135473223
>that whole Kaiki snake arc just blew
kill yourself
>>135475069
Just because you don't know how to use a word doesn't mean a show has an "objective flaw."
>>135474972
The difference is in how effectively the themes are relayed, how genuinely those themes are reached, and how moving, interesting, or unique those themes are. This is much more difficult to pin down than whether or not the show is trying to be deep as its much more of a value judgment.
>>135474371
>To me it seemed like Senjogahara was dragging way to much just to tell her that she's more pure than Araragi.
This.
Every single dialogue.
>>135474371
It goes in depth about every day problems and approaches them through the supernatural, but the explanations are buried in obtuse metaphor. The characters are all larger than life but often discuss things in a way real people would
I dunno maybe I'm talking out my ass. I think the writing is good because it really engages me, always gets it's points across well and has interesting thins to say. It's also funny when it wants to be and alway keeps me guessing about what will happen next.
>People responding to this obvious bait
come on /a/. Report, hide and move on.
>>135474891
You are missed the point of Monogatari
Nobody gives a fuck aboaut the Plot
The funny thing is the dialogue
>>135475278
It might be bait but it sparked semi-decent discussion, so the thread should be deleted
Say what you want about the rest of the series, Bakemonogatari was a pretty fucking solid season that didn't have half the fanservice the following seasons had which the series is so flamed for.
If you didn't like Bake, then you hate SoL stories.
>>135474972
The show has some depth to itself - through it's characters and their circumstances, not something to write an essay about, but you can get some enjoyment or "ah ha" moments from some of the stuff.
Where it's trying to be deep is through it dialogues often being purposefully dragged or having a theme unrelated to the story. Some call it being pretentious, some call it style.
>>135474371
That conversation wasn't about her being pure, it was more about her being empty. Crab was touching on the fact that Cat's personality is a facade.
>>135475336
Bake was good, Nise was a huge step down in my opinion but I think that might be because the characters were weaker.
>>135475326
Arguing semantics is never decent discussion.
>>135475186
Except it is objectively a objective flaw
>>135474972
>>135475358
Also what Anon said
>>135475234
WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS
The shitty show is just like this shitty thread.
>>135475336
Bake had metric fucktons of fanservice, much more than SS, Hana, or Owari. Why are Bakefags so deluded?
>>135474425
I do but Misato a best
Best Ice Cream is Raspberry with dark chocolate chunks
Hitagi is 100% a best and in no way vanilla
>>135475414
Monogatari is shallow as hell and the exact opposite of pretentious. The series lays out everything directly in front of you and you idiots still can't follow it. 2deep4 my ass maybe.
I dropped Bake after half an episode and have not touched one of them since then.
I wanted to watch it because of Nisio and I might even like it, but I hate SHAFT so much I can't do it.
>people still calling monogatari pretentious
It's tongue in cheek faggots
>>135475400
I thought it was just because it settled the characters down and the main cast introduced in bake were hardly touched upon except for fanservice.
The sisters while being the focus of Nise were hardly characterized or received any development. Tsukihi has plenty of potential for character growth beingimmortaland all, but she never learned about it. Does she ever learn? As far as I know she never did...
Kaiki was the best thing to come out of Nise
aside from Shinobu talking again.
>>135475312
Who the hell watches a SUBTITLED show for the dialogue. We are missing loads of it due to things lost in translation.
>>135474622
Like hiding who you are and needing an outlet or emotionally distancing yourself from loss
>>135475744
I'm not an angst riddled 14 year old why would any of that appeal to me.
>all these years later and the only complaints people can come up with for Monogatari are that it has too many words or that it's "pretentious" (though how it's pretentious is never explained)
It's like you guys are mass produced in a factory somewhere. Monogatari is a good show for illustrating the existence of the anime learning curve. The people who complain about it are still at the bottom.
>>135475942
B-but Shaft cuts and panty shots! Head tilts are pretentious! No head tilts allowed!
>>135475664
For the same reason people read translated Kafka or Tolstoy. Did you even think before you pressed the post button?
>>135472320
No-one has a dick as long as Kokorowatari. Hanekawa is literally 2deep4everyone
>>135476050
Rude.
>>135476040
>pretentiousness: the post
>>135475664
Not everyone watches this shit with meme subs like yourself. How do you not even have a basic understanding of moon runes at this point?
>>135475889
If you're so mature why don't you try watching mature things for mature people like yourself? Why would you even watch chinese cartoons in the first place?
>>135475942
>anime learning curve
See, I don't have really have any particular complaints about bake, ot didn't really appeal to me though.
My main issue with it is the fanbase. I read stupid shit shit like what you just posted and it makes me roll my eyes harder than any "pretentious" anime that I may have ever watched.
>>135475889
Most 14 year olds are narcissists to some degree and find it hard to relate to things outside of their own experience. And really, Monogatari is about personal accountability and moving past your issues, which for most 14 year olds isn't what they want to hear. They'd prefer wallowing in self pity and angst. Which is why shows with grandiose suffering and emotional drama are more their speed, because that's what resonates with their self-centered worldview.
So stuff like Madoka, Elfen Lied, the 2003 FMA, or Steins;Gate are really popular with adolescents who feel it connects with their own experience, since they exaggerate their own problems on a level of universal suffering.
>>135475889
Because it's possible to be interested in issues that effect people other than you.
>>135476217
>elfen lied
While I want to 100% agree with you, that show is beyond meme status at this point and should not be used in any serious argument.I liked the manga
>>135475942
>>135476623
I don't really know what's hip with the current anime kid generation, I picked examples of what was familiar to me from the last decade.
>>135476623
He's not wrong, teenagers love that shit
>>135476783
Didn't say he was wrong, the show is blasted so often that hating on it is now a meme.
>>135472170
I watch it but sometime the dialogue is too much or said by a character I don't like so I don't even try to understand it.
I probably let slip like 30% of the dialogue honestly
>>135476120
I didn't realize that listing two of the most famous translated authors of all time was pretentious. I've literally never read anything by either of these authors, but I still know about them. Anon, maybe you are just dumb?
>>135472886
>people watch a show for it's characters
HOLY SHIT I NEVER WOULD HAVE GUESSED.
The truth is that monogatari does have some depth to it. It's not some endless abyss or intellectual masterpiece, but the events that occur on the screen are often metaphors for the feelings of the characters experiencing them. The situations are about mythical creatures on the surface, but the stories are mostly about interpersonal relations, which is why so many of the conflicts are resolved through talking it out
But depth is a meme word at this point and you can't say that anything has even an iota of depth without getting jumped on.
It's not for everyone, and I don't mean that in a 2 DEEP 4 U way, I mean that it doesn't have elements that lots of people are looking for (i.e. things that are not just talking for hours on end). But for me, that little bit of depth makes everything more interesting, and all the talking means the characters are fleshed out and I love watching the interactions between them. I loved the Kaiki vs. Snake arc because I never thought I'd see those characters interact and it was great to see those two dangerous powers act against each other without knowing how things would go.
That's another thing I like about Monogatari: the powerlevels. No one's power is the same. There's no ki or measurable number of how powerful characters are, and it's not about who can lift the most trucks. Everyone who's powerful or dangerous is so in a different way. Kaiki isndangerous because he's a trickster, and you can never be sure about him. Gaen is dangerous because of her knowledge and plans. Shinobu has traditional magic powerlevels. Hanekawa has fantastic reasoning. Hitagi has a sort of power that comes from desperation and an absolute willingness to do whatever it takes to survive
Not only is the variety interesting, but it makes the outcomes on confrontations unclear
Also all the clothes are great as fuck
>>135478203
>I didn't realize that listing two of the most famous translated authors of all time was pretentious
>I've literally never read anything by either of these authors
>>135472170
I don't like any of the girls.
No I'm not gay.
>>135472787
I think this post gets it pretty well.
Well, it gets about 20% of the appeal, anyway. The other 80% is the girls and fanservice of said girls.
>>135472223
>watched by redditors
yes. because back in 2010 when it first aired and /a/ would constantly have threads about it we all know reddit was a huge thing back then.
I've come to the conclusion that anything anyone doesn't like these days people just attach "reddit" to try and make it insulting.
>>135475942
I find it pretentious because the language could be more simple.
I just enjoy the ride that is Monogatari, and don't need any pretentious garbage to justify it.
The combination of weird writing, stilted dialog, SHAFT animation, bizarre direction, especially in the way that the characters move and pose, and the unusual "camera" work, all add up to something that I find really engaging.
>>135479925
I've always taken that as a conscious decision made to establish the personalities of the characters that are talking. I think it's a carryover from the novels, where dialog is pretty much all there is to give us an idea of what these people are like.
I also think some level of understanding Japanese language and cultural conventions helps immeasurably with appreciating the dialog in this show. There's a ton of nuance in it that I haven't seen carry over to the subtitles, including some really blatant but hard to translate stuff.
A particularly glaring example is that subs have Shinobu call Araragi "master," when she's actually saying "Omae-sama." (Which is a somewhat rude word for "you" followed by an extremely respectful suffix.")
The writing also uses the sound and rhythm of the language itself heavily, in addition to what the words literally mean, and that's basically impossible to translate as well, and most attempts end up sounding like cheesy imitations of Shakespeare or something, which isn't what it comes off as in the original.
>>135472170
It's because waifu. I love Redditgahara
>People who describe monogatari as pretentious
Biggest way to tell they haven't watched the series and need some sort of buzzword to criticize it.
It's a harem show with a unique visual style, very witty dialogue between characters (the writing of which is the appeal for most people.) and a lot of monologues. It's not some Evangelion-esque pseudo-intellectual show trying to be DEEP. Anybody who claims this doesn't understand the show at all, despite it being pretty standard stuff. It's just more wordy, since that's Nisio's style.
I had a classmate who almost only spoke about his problems. I couldn't stand it. For the monogatari series that is material for an episode.
I'm not a fan of this at all but I have to admit it's visually one of the most interesting anime in recent memory. I don't particularly care for it's story but i have to give credit where credit is due. Whoever directs this does a great job.
>>135472170
I'm watching for themonogatari.
Cute loli vampires
Still need to read
>>135480482
>when she's actually saying "Omae-sama." (Which is a somewhat rude word for "you" followed by an extremely respectful suffix.")
Her omae-sama shouldn't be thought of by breaking it down as the modern use of omae + sama. It's a respectful term of address, which she uses to imply subservience.
>>135492637
Interesting, I guess my pleb-tier Japanese ability has lead me astray.
Looking it up, I see enough confusion about it and comments from native speakers on it that I wonder how many Japanese-speakers actually make the same mistake.
This thread man
I like it because it's a series that imitates the French New wave style of cinema, with lots of symbolism, rambling dialogue, intentional continuity errors to show how characters are behaving, wide and varied color pallets, and leaning on the fourth wall.
All the tits are a side bonus.
Maybe I'm just a pretentious faggot though.
>>135476108
What. Is this Bake? Who got fucked? When did this happen?
>>135472320
It was basically at this moment that I decided I liked Hanekawa.
Not because I got a panty shot of her, mind you, but because any girl with such great taste in underwear can't be all bad.
>>135476050
>Hanekawa is literally 2deep4everyone
Oh, I'd gladly attempt to disprove that theory.
>>135472295
fact
>>135472457
>Somebody dislikes one of the most overrated pieces of garbage in the medium
>bait
So, what are the odds Bake vol 1 gets localized? I just finished reading Kizu and I really liked the translation, I think it was better than the fantl.
Also, are you guys going to watch the camrips of Kizu or wait until BDs?
>>135472170
I've been asking myself the same question for years.
>>135472170
The best part is how its fans are always absolute smarmy douchebags toward anyone that dares not worship it when they all just kind of seem to be shitposting assholes with one dimensional taste themselves
It's like parks and recreation but not good.
>>135472893
In terms of Bluray discs which dumb anime fans put overwhelming all encompassing emphasis on yeah
>gave it a 3 on mal
>have the rest of the series in my dropped
>people actually message me telling me why my opinion is wrong
>>135474673
Tell me about it
>>135475889
I've noticed most of Monogatari loudmouth fanbase seems to be between the 15-20 range
The characters are interesting and it has a good and not rushed full adaptation. It's more than enough for me.
It's not that bad
>>135472170
OP, if you don't find the 20 minute dialogues enjoyable, maybe you should consider the fact that you won't enjoy everything under the sun and this show just isn't for you.
>>135472295
This. The sequels i just force myself to watch it. But still, can't wait for Kizu. Can't wait for my dose of Kiss-shot.
>>135472416
>Hurrr durr i don't like it, no one else should like it.
Fuck you.
At first, I didn't understand why there were so many camera changes where there were words, and switching things back and forth.
It made sense when I thought about this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orienting_response
In communications, they found out that camera changes force a certain amount of reorienting, and made categories for what affects people the most in a camera change. They are:
Object change
Novelty (Have we seen this before?)
Relatedness (Does it follow in order or is it in media res?)
Distance
Perspective (New angles)
Emotion
Form Change (This is a change in medium, like animation to real life video, or pictures to text)
The monogatari series likes to employ these for visual flair constantly. Just look at the very beginning where they show off shinobu and araragi fighting if you want an example.
It also explains why some people didn't get the show despite it spelling everything out. Many orienting, arousing responses require the brain to spend more resources on encoding, which sometimes makes remembering harder.
As for me, it's the combination of fanservice, banter, and the visual flair that I described. Most of the show is flair with lots of dialogue. If you don't care about the banter you probably won't like the show, because there's not too much action and a whole lot of words.
Only plebs dislike monogatri.
>>135473492
The first three episodes of second season was the continuation of Neko right? The tiger arc?
Best fucking arc.
>>135505285
I don't really know anything about the LN translation industry but judging by how quickly Kizu sold out I'd say it's likely they will continue. I think they got the rights to all of them anyway.
The movie I'll probably see in theaters.
>>135474371
If I had to explain Nisio's approach to Bake, it's 100% explanations.
He constructs the dialogue so to the point where NOBODY will NOT understand what's happening. Hence the repetitiveness, that's just him literally hammering in what's happening.
Nisio is a hack
>>135518957
Basically. Throw in Shinbo's copy and paste "so artsy" pleb-tier direction that casuals think is "so deep" and lots of people pretend to like Monogatari because they want to feel smart and cultured, or actually just like it for the girls.
>>135519163
>not watching monogatari for the pretty pictures and OST
I feel bad for you anon, for not being able to know what fun is.
>>135472170
>>135505285
>http://kizumonogatari-usa.com/theater.html
Hopefully neither.
>>135522035
I'm happy I live in SoCal.
>>135472170
>muh ebin banter and wordplay
Bake is the only good one. The rest is just shit that poorly emulates it.
>>135472170
Can't speak for anyone else, but I love how the series develops its characters. Rarely anything is explicitly stated, meaning you have to interpret how the character's action correlate with their words.
Also, I love the premise Meme set up early where "you can only save yourself." Everyone's problem may be supernatural, but they're caused by everyday problems like a broken home or jealousy. They're also usually caused by each individual person, meaning that if they want to solve their problem for good, they have to do the hard work themselves. If someone else (Araragi) does it for them, then the there will be more problems in the future, like with Cat and Snake. They can never reach a permanent solution if someone else tries to do everything for them. For a show dealing with supernatural elements, I think it does a great job tying them to normal, human emotions and problems.
Basically, it's a show that say you will never get able to work out your problems if you don't do it yourself. Having the supernatural elements tied in the way they are is just an amazing way to do it.
It -is- boring as fuck.
