So I watched this all in one sitting.
What the fuck was this about.
Autistic girl in a Bear suit
God is a software and looks like a little girl
>>135430742
Puberty and sexuality
>>135430974
This
Transcending humanity via cyberspace
Schizophrenia and Identity disorders.
>>135430742
about present day
>>135431433
Hahahaha
>>135430742
You don't seem to understand
>>135430742
It's abouttime you should watch it again and try and figure it out. It takes about 3 times for everyone.
>>135430742
About exploring sexuality
God.
>>135431433
>>135433822
Present time
>>135433908
>>135431433
>>135433822
Fuck off. You are the reason Lain threads are shit. Kill yourselves.
HQ Version: https://d.maxfile.ro/sjpfpksxhu.webm
>>135434278
Woke up on the wrong side of the bed today?
>>135430742
2deep4u? i bet you dont get Eva either?
>>135434291
>cereal sperements rain
>>135434389
Yeah, because every Lain thread is fun with just repeating the same shit over and over right? Fuck off. It's not fun, it's not funny, and it's not clever. You create Lain threads just to have a Lain picture on the catalog, and mindlessly jerk off around the same fucking lyric posts and "hurr lain is my god" bullshit. Enough. We don't fucking need this here. Go the fuck to /c/ you cunts. You make every Lain thread shit for the rest of us. Some people actually want to talk about the fucking series.
>>135434514
What even is there to talk about? 99% of people on /a/ who have watched don't actually understand any of it.Me included.
>>135434809
Then ask about what you don't get, discuss what you think happened, discuss the plot, discuss the characters, you know, talk about the fucking series. It's not fucking difficult. Not a fucking excuse for your stupid shitposting every thread.
Lain threads are always so hateful. Why can't you nigros relax for once?
>>135435062
Because every Lain thread is either the same shitty lyric and Lain worship posts or morons giving that shitty autism spammer attention. The last decent Lain thread we had was only because it was a combo thread about it, HR, and Texhnolyze.
I've a question. I think I've got a vague understanding of what's going on.
But what's the prophecy?
Didn't whoever rec'd this to you tell you not to marathon it? It's significantly better if you leave it at 1-2 episodes a day.
>>135430943
>>135430742
Power Lines and Ayy Lmaos.
>>135435156
Alright, so the spam is the Knights, and the tiki head, doll, etc. that talk to Lain in her hallucination is Eiri. The whole discussion about prophecies hints toward their ideology. They believe (and are right about in this universe) that all memories exist at the same time, rather than linearly. They want to connect people unconsciously because they believe the flesh to be obsolete and negative to spiritual humanity. Eiri narrates this at the beginning of the episode. Eiri tells Lain that a prophecy brings forth events. Eiri remarks that a prophecy can be fulfilled because history is not a timeline, but is a cloud of events not intrinsically connected, but made connected. Eiri is playing God and believes himself to be the one who connects the dots. He and the Knights are fulfilling the prophecy by going through with the Protocol 7 plan. The message is kind of like gloating when the Knights are screwing around. Eiri is being more esoteric. This is what I'm pretty sure is meant by the whole prophecy deal.
>>135435533
> the tiki head, doll, etc. that talk to Lain in her hallucination is Eiri
Huh. Didn't realize that.
Then are the voices of the dead student girl and dead druggie man from the same source, or are they independent?
>>135435789
At which point in the story? Near the end where Lain confronts them and the druggie gives her the gun?
Is there a wiki or something with a full explanation of Lain? Because I understood fuck all...
>>135436077
There's a game and a couple of other things that will never be translated. Have fun.
>>135436077
Not really, you'll only get various interpretations or people taking the lazy way out and saying "it means what you want". If you're really dedicated to figuring it out, read some interviews, read the translation of the original game, watch the series again, and analyze everything that doesn't makes sense to make it fit in with what you know from the ending. Visit the mebious wiki for some useful background info on the game since the translation is standalone.
>>135436141
Game's translated
http://psx.lain.pl/
>>135436141
>>135436191
great, I have a basic understanding but what I cannot connect are the ayy lmaos
what was the point of putting aliens in there and what was area 51 I assume?
http://letterboxd.com/fauux/
Why is the creator of the fauux website so patrician? Why are you all so plebeian?
>>135430742
Religious allegory and a discussion of identity and the self in the face of rapidly developing technology and a breakdown of the individual by the collective whole.
Also Lain's loli cunny.
>>135436247
So a couple episodes before that, Lain is online and we get a montage of people gossiping. One of them says something along the lines of "help! there's a kid in a striped sweater spying on me through my door!". Same story pops up again in another episode. The reason the figure is an alien is because the previous discussion was about Area 51. However, the narrater reveals that the Majestic 12 document was forged, and then we understand that the whole thing was a creative and red-herring type set up for discussion about Vannevar Bush. Lain seeing the thing can be explained as the wired and and real worlds coming together. You can think of it as a manifestation of that one online hoax story.
>>135436370
Ueda's said the wired was just to give the story a real life element in which the characters could work. Technology and its impact isn't a major idea of Lain, despite it accidentally predicting such impact. Ueda discussed in the same interview that he at least was very optimistic about the internet and technology. Think of the wired in terms of its connection with human communication
>>135430742
For the autistic person there are deeper messages about the development of technology and its effect on society.
The reality is it's about puberty and a girls growing sexuality/personal development.
and societies desire to repress it.
It's a series though, so they touch on a multitude of topics throughout it.
>>135436077
>no wiki
Goes to show that even the autistic fanbase has no idea what the fuck is going on in this shitty show
>>135430742
the biggest accent of Lain was multiple personalities and duality of person irl and internet
>>135434391
>>135436589
You would think on a first watch, but you have to realize that Lain's confusion is all manufactured as a plot against her by Eiri. It's not about the internet, it's about communication between human beings and the idea of humanity. You have to stop thinking of everything in terms of a metaphor about the internet and understand the story based on Eiri's goal and the nature of Lain as a being - based on what's actually happening. Not everything that's shown is "real", but not everything is a metaphor for technological impact. The infodump and the final episodes are important. Keep them in mind, then reinterpret all the events of the earlier episodes.
>>135436745
actually this dude has the point - stick to shounen anal games if you are not able to clear the main plot yourself
>>135436803
You have made some interesting insights here, thanks, I think it's the time to rewatch it.
>>135436820
I know, but I had my lain image folder open and it was right there.
Rewatch it until you get it because people explaining it to you won't always help. Lain is one of the most symbolism-heavy anime of the 90s/early2000s and you need to understand this fact to even begin understanding the show.
One hint I will give you lies in the OP: The "Present Day, Present time" thing is more than just a meme, it's a huge part of the shows philosophy. One thing you will notice when watching lain is that much of the technology is all strange designs that don't exist, including the operating systems. This is because the main point of the show is to remain relevant no matter what time you watch it. It is just as relevant today as when the show aired. It could be the 90's, the 2000s, the2010s, or whenever when you watch this and the point of the show will always be the same and will always be "Present day, present time".
>>135433909
It's funny how true this is
>>135430742
sex
>>135430943
Stop
>everyone says it's good
>nobody knows what the fuck is this about
>>135442633
I know what it's about
>>135442658
prove it
It's about finding oneself
>>135442673
What specifically would you like answered?
>>135430742
Jungian unconsciousness, theology and existentialism also technology, identity and human interaction also computers, AI, wunderkids, ayyyliens and conspiracies, in groups descending in order of depth.
>>135430742
A random surface level splattering of psychology, philosophy, and technology that people project their own ideas onto.
>>135442788
>>135442855
Lain's collective consiousness =/= Jung's collective unconscious
>>135430742
>one time
fuck off and don't get back until you rewatch the show at least 4 times.
>>135442931
>>135442931
>collective consciousness
Jej. The unconscious by its nature can be aware of itself. It remains unconscious because those that it comprises itself of are still unaware on any meaningful level. If you think SEL isn't about a collective unconsciousness you need to rewatch the show.
>>135443047
It's not a Jungian work. Lain's collective consciousness =/= Jung's collective unconscious
PRESENT DAY
PRESENT TIME
>>135443116
>literally aknowledges presence of Jungian unconciousness
>caveat is that other equivalences exist and while it's not specifically jungian it explores the concept that several listed schools of thought have raised
>this somehow makes you right
Just because it wasn't a direct statement on Jung's perceptions doesn't mean it wasn't exploring similar territory psychologically and philosophically as Jung and the other ideas listed.
Thanks for the page though.
>>135434514
Anon, Lainfags are confirmed for cancer from /v/ nowadays. It can't be helped. Just notice how new this brain damaged pleb is >>135434389 (1443649090303.png)
We are infested.
>>135443300
My point was that Konaka is using the term in a generalized manner. The collective consciousness in Lain is more of a literal idea based on the primordial connection between all humans in the original state of living. This results in Jungian-type observations of psychological commonalities and need for connection (which is the main idea behind Lain), but Konaka was being general instead of drawing on Jungian work.
>>135443502
Which is fine. I used the term Jungian as short hand for anything exploring that concept.
Lain makes statements, observations and posses questions, if it's jungian it's exploring the concepts. I wasn't implying it was EVA level 'have you read any freud?' carbon copy shit.
I'd still argue that the collective in Lain isn't conscious though but that is a whole other thing.
>>135443701
I'll admit that I'm not a scholar of Jung's work. The collective consciousness in Lain as per my understanding doesn't really have anything to do with the consciousness of a collective of minds (or at least this isn't touched upon other than in the infodump's theory), but is more of the connective force remnant from the original state of humans that Eiri wants to return to, which Lain as a being comes from after Eiri finds a piece of said force in the wired and makes it sentient. Konaka seems to be using a lot of general base ideas with the psychological and philosophical elements he brings up in Lain. I need to rewatch.
>>135443116
>I want people to actually feel the girl lain
Yeah, I want to feel her too.
>>135443116
It's just a little disappointing how surface-level a lot of his answers are. But at the same time, it seems like a lot of creators and artists have that same kind of mindset.
It's almost like the creator's role is to create, and to let the consumer interpret things how they want.
>>135443047
"Unconsciousness can be conscious of itself ... just unconsciously" sounds like a better way to word what you're saying.
I'm not sure if that actually ends up adding to anything in the end.
... But you may well be on to something.
P.S.
>>135443403
>you got your video games in my anime
>boohoo
>that's how reese's cups were made
>>135445284
>sounds like a better way to word what you're saying.
Perhaps it would but it's not what I'm saying. The unconscious is autonomous in reality and a collective unconsciousness would be the same depending on your perspective on what exactly a collective unconsciousness would entail and how it would come about. Unconscious knows damn well what it's doing and why, if it were say, personified that being would be concious and reactive perhaps even eventually aware of its own role within the system and the likewise impact the collective has on it.
>>135444952
It's not good to fantasize about sliding your hand into her skirt and gently playing with her childish, bare pussy and cupping one of her budding breasts in your other hand.
>>135445513
Jesus christ anon have mercy I can't be imagining these things right now
Despera never ever
>>135446073
Despera eventually.
